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Just when the Lakers are starting to play better, the plot thickens. They finally notch a good road win against a good team, and it was a footnote in the soap opera surrounding Kobe and Lakers' front office. Nothing is ever easy, huh?

It seems these Lakers always have some drama circling them. It's just how they operate during the Kobe era. Some issues are probably blown out of proportion due to the Lakers' extreme popularity, but there is usually some issue. Shaq, Phil, sexual assault trial, Shaq, Phil, 2007, is the team too soft, Phil again, aging, and now Jimbo. Of course, there's been far more great moments in that span, but it's never just a smooth ride.

We're used to it by now. No biggie. Right? Not really. The Lakers seem to be starting to gel. It'd be one thing if the Lakers completely sucked and major changes seemed so inevitable that drama couldn't possibly make a bad thing worse. It's a whole 'nother problem when the team gives you the impression that they're really starting to come together just to fall apart due to a lack of communication. How long will internal problems linger over this team and threaten to ruin momentum?

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It's one thing for Kobe to voice displeasure (this is far from his first time speaking his mind), it's another issue when Magic Johnson is on ESPN telling Jim Buss that he needs to become a better owner and sit down and talk to Kobe. Magic has always been (it seems) a guy plugged into what the Lakers do. Not only is he close to Jerry Buss, but he was once a minor owner of the team. If Magic is on the the tube telling Jimmy to step up and talk to his star, it tells me the problem between Kobe and Jim is bigger than we'd dare imagine. It says those close to the organization see a clear and present danger in the way Jim Buss is operating the Lakers.

At first I thought Magic's statements might have been coming from Lakers' brass. When Magic told viewers to expect major roster changes following getting swept by the Mavs in last season's playoffs, I took it as a message from the organization. A move seemed inevitable and I assumed Magic was made privy to the Lakers' plans to some extent. Sure enough, as soon as the lockout ended, the Lakers tried to trade for Chris Paul. That's a pretty major roster move and Magic called it months in advance. And now he's on SportsCenter calling out Jimmy? He didn't just state that Jimmy and Kobe needed to talk. He damn-near called Jimbo a bad owner. Just how bad is the level of secrecy in El Segundo?

Magic Johnson via Dave Mcmenamin, ESPN:


"... I think what Kobe really probably wants is just be informed. As a leader, as a future Hall of Famer, as a guy who has brought five championships to the Lakers and the fans of Los Angeles, he just wants to probably have more communication, probably like he did when Phil Jackson was there and he worked well with Mitch. I don't think that Kobe feels he's got that type of relationship or the communication has been there with Jim.

"So, I think what has to probably happen is sit Kobe down [and] Jim, sit him down [too] and say, 'Hey, Dr. Buss was the master at taking you to lunch or taking you to dinner and really going over what he thought about, or what he was thinking and what he wanted to do with the team and Jerry West was great at that as well.' Kobe, Mitch and Jim just got to get on the same page and it will be OK."

Magic has a point. How do the Lakers rationalize Kobe's complete exclusion from decision making when they're so tied into him? He isn't merely some role player, nor some aging star making more than his game is worth. Dude is 33 years old, due $83.5 million over this season and the next two, and giving us a season for the ages. He's a legitimate MVP candidate in his sixteenth season, and fans are so tied into him, that the Lakers would be stupid to not cater to whatever greatness Kobe has left. Every decision made right now should be made in relation to Kobe.

Should that mean that they should consult him on every roster move? No, after all the team will have to eventually move on without Kobe, and must make sure they are able to do so in the best manner possible. But what's to gain by (supposedly) repeatedly leaving a player of Kobe's stature out of the loop? In case Jimmy hasn't noticed, fans are dug in with Kobe. At least I am. Would it kill them to let him know something? Or have they, and is Kobe not willing to accept what they have planned? His overtures to Dwight Howard have been reported by Ric Bucher, Stephen A. Smith, and Adrien Wojnawrowski.

So far, Kobe's played the good soldier this season. He's said all of the right things regarding Mike Brown, not saying too much regarding his exclusion from the hiring process of Brown, he's praised Mike's work ethic, stayed relatively quiet after the Lakers gave away Odom, and gave Andrew Bynum his props. To top it off, he even publicly stated his faith in the front office's decision making. He vowed to leave it up to them and not interfere.

So why now Kobe? Ben R. has repeatedly reminded us that we shouldn't expect anything to happen until March 1st, since many of the players in the league can't even be traded until then. If Kobe's truly worried about Pau Gasol's fragile psyche, why make it public? Pau has been nothing but a true professional since being involved in the failed Chris Paul trade. No doubt, the lingering trade possibilities are lingering over his head, but he's proved he's willing to deal with it. How does Kobe making Pau's emotions a point of discussion for Lakers nation a positive thing?

I'm not even sure Kobe did Pau any favors. From here on out, so long as he's a Laker, we're going to focus on Pau's mental state. Deep down, I feel most Lakers fans have lost trust in Pau. No matter how great Pau may play game to game during the regular season, we worry about which Pau is going to show up in the playoffs. White swan, black swan. Whatever. Pau can no longer afford to have fans worrying about whether or not he'll handle the pressure. I think Kobe realizes this, and with the trade deadline fast approaching, Kobe has put Pau and the front office in the spotlight.

The Lakers aren't completely bad. They could use another piece or two, but if this team stayed as is (as opposed to a mega trade), it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world. I suppose I could be comfortable with this team to some degree, if in fact this is the team the Lakers plan on having for the rest of the season. I'll live with a minor tweak, I see the potential the Lakers do have as presently constructed. As an outsider looking in, I still feel as if I'm waiting to exhale though. I don't know what the Lakers' plans are, and it seems neither does Kobe, which explains his use of leverage through the media. I'm not so comfortable knowing the one guy the team needs to rely on is as clueless as we are. How is this team going to really gel? Does it even matter if they're looking better now? After last night's confusing crunch time play from Kobe (even for him), I'm left with the impression that improving team chemistry isn't a real goal so long as questions linger. So here we are, a night removed from the best road win the Lakers have had yet, and none of it really matters.

Take a deep breath. It's going to be a long wait until the trade deadline.

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I think Kobe's comments did what they were designed to do: got the message out that more communication is needed, and it happened.

Mitch had a talk with Pau and even though he didn’t tell him he’s not the block, at least Pau has some dialogue to work with. I doubt Kobe seriously thought they were going to come right out and say “Yea” or “Nay” on whether or not they’re going to trade Pau—he’s no fool—but he probably knew he’d get some kind of response. Mission accomplished.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

I agree Kobe just wants to force some communication.

But I don’t think Mitch was the intended target. Jimmy needs to come out and play…

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 23, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The only message that I get from all of this

is that Kobe is aware of the changes that the Lakers intend to make but I don’t think that he is being asked for his input. Being kept in the loop is a big difference from being asked for his advice. He knows but I don’t think he wants to make it public and is pissed that it is effecting team chemistry. IMHO

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

The only questions I have is in regards to the following statement
They could use another piece or two,

Will the use of the LO TPE be enough to get another player or two without losing any of the other players and still make them significantly better to win the title?

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

I would not give up a 1st rounder for Sessions.

Sessions only give Lakers a better chance of getting out of Western Conference, not winning the whole thing.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 23, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

You never know....you never know.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

People put way to much value on draft picks

"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith

by njg425 on Feb 23, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I have always found it ridiculous lol

A proven guy is worth 10x what a 20-something pick in the draft will ever be imo

"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith

by njg425 on Feb 23, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. I mean everyone hopes to land the next Gilbert Arenas

Tony Parker or Jeremy Lin. Good luck with that. Just give me a proven veteran any day of the week.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

OKC begs to differ

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Our recent "proven veterans"

Troy Murphy: Easy 15 and 10 guy on the Pacers
Kapono: Career 40%+ 3 point shooter
Steve Blake: Career starter and 40% 3 point shooter
Ron Artest/MWP: ’nuff said

Look how that’s turning out. Meanwhile look at teams like OKC who has risen to the top via the draft alone, and the Spurs, Nuggets, and Pacers who have added solid first rounders to keep them competitive. Oh yeah and who is one of our brighter spots off the bench this season? A rookie taken in the second round. Imagine what we can do with more young talent to complement veteran leadership.

Coach has to meet us halfway

by Mambatsuna on Feb 23, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

but those are only few names that you mention

look at all the other young rookies that have higher draft places and have come out to little impact. 60 drafted rookies per year (+ a few undrafted/D-leaguers)—how many actually make an impact (esp early in their careers)? For every diamond in the roughs, there are busts.

by no stance on Feb 23, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

However, in the meantime, we've won 2 championships

While those 4 teams you’ve mentioned have won 0. (Also, the Pacers aren’t really THAT competitive…)

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 23, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

OKC later draft choices are working out...

because they get a chance to play. The Lakers with Phil haven’t let any young players except Bynum play. Goudelock is gonna be an excellent player and with Brown in charge now he’s gonna get a chance. Lin is an extreme example but no one wanted him and then BOOM! He would never had a chance on the Lakers!

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by BaldBilly on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

is that how far you go back?

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

on 2nd thought...

with the staff currently in Lakers scouting dept. and Jimmy running the show; the draft pick is probably worthless.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 23, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really.

The draft is a cheap way to replenish your roster with young talent and keep your window of competing for championships. Look no further than the Spurs. Otherwise, you end up like the Celtics.

by E-ROC on Feb 23, 2012 1:31 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

From what I'm hearing..

It’s a pretty deep draft, so I would put value on those draft picks. We need youth on this team. I don’t think Sessions is what will put us over the top. Maybe if we get him and someone else, but just him won’t do.

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by PoPs_737 on Feb 23, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

cavs fan here, so what do you guys think sessions if not a first .just want to see what you think.

by beanjames on Feb 23, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

hi wave

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Kobe put Pau's mental state out there for us to debate

I think he put the FO on blast and also let Pau that he has his back. As was evident yesterday, Pau played like the Pau we expected. Pau is such an emotional guy, he needs those hugs. For Kobe to call out the FO on his behalf, it meant a lot to him. He needed it.

Now this does not guarantee us anything, it might not translate into a win streak but it sure as hell opened doors for communication, i hope

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

Great points LG

"In this league, you gotta learn to run on empty. Fuel level at zero, but still you run." -KB

by PoPs_737 on Feb 23, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking to your superstar about changes is just common courtesy.

Open dialogue is kind of a big deal in sports. Or be explicit about how you operate so those around you know what’s up. You can’t be aloof in the Information Age.

by E-ROC on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Watching the highlights,

The team is blending. Kobe took few shots, they fed Bynum and Gasol. Fisher decided to let everybody know that he still exists, MWP and Barnes seemed to balance out the SF spot nicely, Murphy, Blake, Goudelock all contributed off the bench. The team seems to be gelling.

I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:

The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

In that case, I wouldn't mind them having the same season, as long as the outcome is different.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 23, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

they asked kobe the very same question...

about riding this very team well into the playoffs/finals, and kobe said…“well….ya we can..but we would have to be near perfect to do so”. i feel the lakers are jelling, i just dont want them to do the same thing as last yr, when they went 17-1, before the all-star break, then the wheel’s blew out on the ferrari, and we all know what happened next.

by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 23, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been thinking the same exact thing, have a rec!
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 23, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

fuckin exactly what I been saying this whole time!!!!!
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.

Only difference is that this Lakers team is much better offensively than that Celtics team. I still think it will be Lakers Heat in the finals.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the fear factor in facing the Lakers is all but gone after getting swept

But Adding both Beasely and Sessions would be a big boost

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 1:38 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

ya know EmmCee..

i was kind of on the fence about trying to aqiure these 2? but you know what? beasley and sessions just might be enough to help the lakers push on the 2nd half of the season.

by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 23, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they could push us over the hump.

Especially if we dnt hafta trade any of our 3 amigos. We need to do something and a few somewhat small moves could make a huge difference

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 2:25 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

As long as the big 3, along with Barnes and Goudelock stay, I'm ok with getting those two guys.

I would like Ebanks to stay as well, but I thought he was going to have a bigger role this season and he just hasn’t been able to do anything. He still has potential though.

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by PoPs_737 on Feb 23, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Bynum/gasol got 26 shots yesterday...

right on average… difference this time was other guys weren’t absolute zeros

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by Marty Mart on Feb 23, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn is Jim Buss going to be the new Krause?

I remember the relationship the MJ had with the FO of the Bulls. He ripped them a new one in his HOF speech. Hopefully that shit doesn’t happen here.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

sup jelly?

what was krauses legendary quote?…“players dont win championships…management wins championships”…or something like that.

by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 23, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

what up

yup and MJ’s reply something like, “there is no I in team but there is an I in win”

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Would Beasley be worth that TPE?

If yes, I’d get him, and trade for Sessions – would they take 1st rd pick from Dallas+Ebanks for Sessions?

Then, I would say we need to sign a true back-up C for insurance (Rasheed Wallace maybe?)

C: Bynum, Wallace
PF: Gasol, Murphy, McRoberts
SF: Beasley, Barnes, MWP
PG: Sessions, Blake, Fisher
SG: Bryant, Goudelock, Kapono

Send Morris back to D-league and Walton I guess keeps his benchwarming role…

Go Sharks!

by Dmitriy on Feb 23, 2012 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

Getting Beasly would be good in terms of the bench but the number one issue

is the PG position.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Minny has too many PG's for their own good.

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by LakerAce on Feb 23, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Sessions for Dallas' #1 pick is okay...

but, I would hate to give up on Ebanks and have him turn out to be another Ariza or Affalo.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 23, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather give up Morris or McRoberts than Ebanks.

How about Morris and our 2013 1st round pick for Sessions

then trade the Odom TPE and the Dallas pick for Beasley.

Sessions, Fish, Blake
Kobe, Goudelock, Kapono
Beasley, Barnes, Metta, Ebanks, Walton
Pau, McRoberts
Bynum, Murphy

Beasley can also play the 4 at times. We have way too many SF’s, but if we get Beasley, I think metta gets the amnesty axe next year. and walton could be traded at the deadline next year as an expiring contract.

And we still have a 1st rounder in this years deep draft.

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 23, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

or if you did McRoberts and a 2nd rounder for sessions,

i think we are still ok.

sessions, fish, blake, morris
kobe, goudelock, kapono
metta, barnes, ebanks, walton
pau, beasley
bynum, murphy

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 23, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

uhhh...Wallace?

NO WAY.
JUST.

NO.

ugh.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

lmao

on a proven veteran team like the Lakers that doesn’t worry me. As I said before, players like beasley need to be on teams where they respect the organization, players and coaches. Think Dennis Rodman and the Bulls.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe's comments didnt accomplish anything

The FO has the same stance they did before. Nothing changed in that respect. Pau met with Mitch….Didnt he meet with him after the Cp trade fell thru. He got no reassurances about not being traded from this new meeting so what progress was made other than absolutely confirming Mitch is listening to calls and a bigger spotlight on Pau’s hurt feelings. Theres one guy who’s on the block and you never hear about his feelings being hurt or even worrying about It , never hear it as an excuse after he has a bad game and on the surface seems to not give a damn cuz wherever he goes he’s gonna b hoopin to paraphrase. Pau needs to stop crying about it and play ball. 18 million reasons to man up and get his sensitive ass feelings in order. Im tired of hearing about it

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 1:28 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

What did you expect it to accomplish?

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly what it did. Nothing.

Just put more of a spotlight on something that was already known. How that helps idk. Maybe offers will pick up and better ones get thrown out there lol

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Maybe you expected it to result in a trade or something

What it did for me was shed light onto the horrible workings of the FO, i mean we knew it was bad. But who knew it was this bad. Kobe speaking up means a lot because he is pretty much the face of the Lakers organization. As i said up top, it also let Pau know someone had his back, he is human after all, he is an emotional guy too. I will say more, but i am not good with words. I’ll let Kevin Ding take it from here

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yet you thought Lamar should have been given leeway in feeling sensitive.

Lamar, who failed to show up at training camp. Lamar, who felt betrayed and demanded to be traded. Lamar, who said he couldn’t play for a team that valued him so little. That’s the guy who gets your sympathy, but Pau, who has been there every day, needs to man up.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 23, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a huge LO fan, but you're right.

I always had the idea that LO was pouting. You know, like I’ll take my ball and go home, or I didn’t want to play with you guys anyway. Whatever. We didn’t play that game, I guess. See you later LO, I miss you on our team, but you did this yourself.

I’ve always liked Pau, and no matter what he’s at least shown up.

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by 99bc99 on Feb 23, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. Pau does not get credit for what he does

He annoys me every now and them because he is the most skilled big man in the game but he just fails to bring it every game. But in a unique situation like this we should be giving him credit. And Kudos for Kobe for standing up for him. 2 games later, i see the benefit of that

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Odom got traded. Whether or not i feel he wouldve gotten over it is a moot point.

He’s not a Laker. Pau is. He needs to get over it. If LO were still here and being sensitive, he would hafta get over it. Drew acting butthurt over trade rumors? Man up get over it. I only care about Laker players. Sensitive feelings affecting play? Get over it or get shipped out. LO got shipped out and Pau can get the same treatment. It doesn’t matter to me as long as we get enough in return to make the team better now AND in the future.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

LOL. Fan speak.

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I have more to worry about than switching teams

But None of it follows me into the studio. When its time to record or write im only thinking bout music. So its hard for me to understand him thinking of anything other than basketball while on the court.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 3:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

which explains my get over it or get out position.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 4:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I understand how it affects a person, as everyone's constitution is different...

But, whether Pau gets traded or not and to whichever team; he still gets paid $18+ million, and there are plenty of ppl living from paycheck to paycheck. So the players should just suck it up and play.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 23, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Him getting paid 18mil has nothing to do with it.

Its not like he doesnt deserve the money. Since when do rich people not get sympathy…its not their fault that they are rich. They earned it

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by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That is so irrelevant to the discussion.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 23, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Well you dont have a whole fanbase critiquing every bar you drop

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Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Therein lies the difference

I could care less if err bar i dropped got critiqued and thas not sumn i think about while recording anyway. I just dnt see how anything but basketball is on his mind while he’s playing. That part of it is what i dnt get. he plays in front of thousands of people and performs but trade rumors throw his game off?

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by EmmCeee on Feb 23, 2012 6:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Technically, basketball is what's on his mind.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 23, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats why you are EmmCeee and he is Pau

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Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes! Im not alone! LoL

Plus, if the FO is jacked up right now why do we need to know that? And why would we want to give the media and lakerhaters more fuel to talk about us like were trash?

by Ballinsohard on Feb 23, 2012 5:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You're kidding, right?

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Feb 23, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Feb 23, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

To all...

just like to say; I really enjoy this space. This is the only forum I participate in.
Let’s keep this high standard going.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 23, 2012 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

mostly me huh?

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by Jelly Bean on Feb 23, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  


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