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The Los Angeles Lakers And The Fall Of Empires

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You don't need to read between the lines to see storm clouds gathering around the Los Angeles Lakers. You need only observe the negativity surrounding all facets of the franchise. Despite last night's victory over the Portland Trailblazers, the team has struggled to find any real footing. Their record isn't terrible, but neither is it encouraging of the type of success that Lakerland, to say nothing of Kobe Bryant, demands. The roster is depressing due to notable gaps that have existed for ages, and the lack of depth surrounding the three stars on which the Lakers continue to hang their hats. The coaching staff seems, if not necessarily poor outright, ill-fitting with the personnel at their fingertips. Aside from the occasional victory on the court, there is rarely any kind of good news. The team's unsurprising lack of chemistry had me comparing the situation to the fall of Rome.

Well, if Ken Berger's latest opus is to be taken at face value, I had the wrong empire.

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There's a certain comfort in comparing the Lakers to Rome, even in mentioning Rome's eventual decline. The obvious allure is that the Roman empire was the pinnacle of Western society. Its longevity, its size, and its contribution to the foundations of modern societies all ensure that, while the Roman empire no longer exists, it is spoken of with respect and reverence. If the Lakers are the Rome of the NBA, that's not a bad thing, even if it must eventually come to an end.

More importantly, the fall of Rome was such a gradual process that there are spirited debates as to the exact cause. Was it disease, or malaise on the part of the Roman citizen? Was it technology or a series of catastrophic events? There isn't one specific answer, and that's a good thing. It indicates that there was nothing inherently wrong with the empire's foundation, and that the reason for its decline is most aptly explained by the universe's natural progression towards change. Change is inevitable, nothing is permanent; Rome couldn't maintain its power and Kobe Bryant's Lakers won't be able to either. There's no shame in that, and there is solace to be taken from the fact that, while Rome eventually ceased to exist, the ideas that made up Rome's foundation were so solid that they continue to be utilized today. The empire may be gone, but its imprint on the world is not.

That's how I'd like to think of the Los Angeles Lakers in their current incarnation. Once great, clearly weakening, but based upon a foundation that is immortal. This is how the Lakers have been able to rebuild so many times throughout their history, from Mikan to West to Jabbar to Magic to Shaq to Kobe. These emperors were all (relatively) short lived, but the empire has maintained because its foundation has been the best in the sport. The team can always be rebuilt around a new emperor, and relative to the basketball world, it can be rebuilt in a day. We've seen it happen.

This time, it's different. This time, it is the foundation that is causing the decline. This time, all of the weakness, all of the failure, can be traced back to a single source ... Jim Buss. I'll let Ken Berger take it from here with some of the choicest words in the above linked column:

[T]he real motivation behind Bryant going public was to shed light on the dysfunctional, borderline comical way the Lakers are handling their basketball business and hope it prompts someone to fix it..

The Lakers' front office is an uncommunicative, rudderless fiasco, and the unrest and paranoia that have been festering for years threaten to derail the team's plans to ride Bryant to his sixth NBA title while they still can. And much of it can be traced to the growing influence of executive vice president Jim Buss, the owner's bon vivant son, who has helped transform a great franchise into a steaming pool of nepotism and nincompoops.

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None of [the people who were let go prior to the lockout], who formed what a longtime NBA executive called one of the best front office staffs in the league, was given the courtesy of knowing whether they would be brought back after the lockout ended. Some are still waiting for that phone call.

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Even people who work in the basketball operations department have "no clue who's on the staff," said a person with direct knowledge of the organization's structure.

"It would be interesting to find out who's doing the scouting," the person said.

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Of the three college scouts listed in the Lakers' media guide, Ryan West -- Jerry's son -- is the only one with a résumé and a workload. The others are Jesse Buss, who's currently unable to travel due to an injured leg, and a guy known throughout the organization simply as "Chaz." His name in the media guide is Charles Osborne, and supposedly he's a nice guy.

"A good guy," said a person who has dealt with the Lakers' front-office dysfunction in various management roles with other teams. "Great bartender."

That's not a description of the fall of Rome. Those are not the issues of an empire weakened only by the progression of time and a series of unfortunate events. An unclear vision for the future, a clear lack of communication at the highest levels, the sacrifice of job performance at the hands of friends and family, nepotism and idiocy as the rules of the day ... we're not witnessing the gradual decline of a once great empire. This is more drastic, more absolute. Right before our very eyes, we're witnessing the fall of the French Monarchy. And Jim Buss is our Louis XV.

For those of you not so historically inclined, we go to the Wikipedia

Louis enjoyed a favorable reputation at the beginning of his reign and earned the epithet "le Bien-Aimé" ("the Beloved"). In time, the debauchery of his court, his ill-advised financial policies, the return of the Austrian Netherlands (which were gained following the Battle of Fontenoy) at Aix-la-Chapelle, and the cession of New France at the conclusion of the Seven Years' War led Louis to become one of the most unpopular kings in the history of France. He even suffered an assassination attempt in 1757. However, his reign saw the incorporation of Lorraine and Corsica to the Kingdom.

Uninterested in politics and largely influenced by his chief mistress, Madame de Pompadour, Louis XV's decisions damaged the power of France, weakened the treasury, discredited the absolute monarchy, and arguably led to the French Revolution which broke out 15 years after his death.

Debauchery of the court? Check (You caught the part about the Lakers having a good bartender in their scouting department, right?). Ill-advised financial policies? How about making cost-cutting moves to the front office personnel and pinching pennies on the roster at the same time the Lakers are bringing in the biggest individual team television contract in NBA history? The return of a once controlled province ... How about the Lakers giving away Lamar Odom at the beginning of the year? The cession of New France hasn't happened yet, but just watch the fanbase shrink if things continue down this path. It won't be the emptying of a bandwagon. It will be the revolt of a people who are unhappy with how their team is being governed. Hell, even the term Berger used to describe Jim Buss, a bon vivant, is a French term used to describe the very same French aristocracy that contributed to the monarchy's gruesome demise.

You might be thinking to yourself ... why does this matter? The fall of Rome, the fall of the French Monarchy, it's all the same in the end. Either way, the Lakers are headed down a path we don't like. Either way, the Lakers are going to be less successful than the team to which we've become accustomed. Here's why it matters: Rome's decline was so gradual that nobody can pinpoint exactly why it occurred. The ideals of Roman society continue to live on throughout the Western world. The French monarchy, on the other hand, met with an end so abrupt, so drastic, that French society would never be the same again. You know how many ideals of absolute monarchy remain in the modern, developed world? None. Zilch. The absolute monarchy is completely and utterly dead anywhere but in the third world.

Whenever the Los Angeles Lakers have had to look into the face of change previously, there was always hope for a bright future. The team dynamics, the names on the jerseys, the style of play, all of it might change, but there was always the knowledge that the team's ideals, its goals, and its ability to reinvent and rebuild would always be second to none. With a foundation strong enough, you can always, always rebuild. But now we stand on the precipice of a new era, one in which the new leader of our little empire seems intent on running it into the ground with poor policies and heavy handed favoritism. It's the type of situation from which empires never recover, from which the only kind of change possible is drastic, revolutionary change.

If lessons are to be learned from history, the Los Angeles Lakers might never be the same. I'm not looking forward to a world where they might be any different.

[Author's Note: Obviously, in order to take this seriously, one must believe in the source material from Ken Berger. Berger's a respected journalist and he has sources, though few of them are named and the ones that are don't say anything of note. In the end, take what he says with however many grains of salt as you like. I'm always hesitant to believe it when somebody tells me exactly what I want to hear, or more appropriately, what I expect to hear. But personally, I take his article at face value, and therefore stand by the proclamations of inherent doom herein. If you don't buy in to front office discord, you'll probably disagree.]

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This makes Baby Jebus cry.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

SWEET BABY JESUS!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
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by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps this is why people said Kobe soured Howard on LA

He must have said, “If you think Otis Smith is bad, our scout is a bartender.”

by Actuarially Sound on Feb 21, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

"But if you want a good screwdriver, he's the man."

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been ambivalent towards all Howard news since the start of the year.

Point being, Howard doesn’t even know what on earth he’s going to do right now and probably won’t until early March, so worrying about it one way or another right now is pointless.

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by Ben R on Feb 21, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It feels like the Lakers franchise id dying before our eyes

replaced by a shell with the Lakers logo still on it. I hope the $3 Billion at stake plus this outcry will be enough to save the team from Jim and the other frat-boy Busses.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

Why do people keep talking about other Buss'?

Jesse is the only other Buss involved in the business right now, but he’s not running anything.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Joey Buss runs the team's D-League affiliate.

And they seem to be doing a decent job.

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To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

the team is balling this year

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
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by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I know (read "Did you know...?: Jerry Buss"). I'm talking about the Lakers FO.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

i love that you’re pushing that piece lol

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
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by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, it answers some questions.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do people keep talking about other Buss’?

Because:

Joey Buss, another son of the owner who runs the team’s D-League franchise, has moved into Jackson’s old office. Jesse Buss, 23, who was arrested for alcohol intoxication in Lexington, Ky., on a “scouting” trip in December, has moved into Lester’s former office.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.

by deadmuse on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

And they're running the Lakers?

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 22, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I never said they're running things.

I think their presence has an impact on Mitch and the culture of the FO. You’re OK with the sacking of Mitch’s entire staff and installing these clowns in their offices?

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.

by deadmuse on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

If the lakers land dwight howard

its all ok tho,am i right? i mean? am i right????

at this point trade gasol,bynum,the draft picks,and throw in adam morrison if they say no the first time

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by Czheck on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

Would Dwight wanna resign tho. If no, no point trading for him

by LAL32 on Feb 21, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

while I'm sure

for us fans that would be seen as a good thing, it’s still only temporary.

I think the main point of the piece (a really excellent one, btw) is that without a solid foundation we are probably still rudderless. Aimless. Whatever. I’m sure you get it.

Sort of like women and make up. All the make up in the world can’t help an ugly woman or bad skin. It all starts with good skin. The underlying layer. (probably not the best analogy, but apt coming from this girl, I suppose…)

by BigSkyCat on Feb 21, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If you want to continue the analogy...
“The cession of New France hasn’t happened yet”

That would be the Lakers ceded the majority of Los Angeles’ fan base to the up and coming Clippers who now have better management from the top down. Wait, did I just that?

by Actuarially Sound on Feb 21, 2012 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

/visigoth’d

"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach

"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

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by Koshu on Feb 21, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That source is a pile of shit

How easily have we forgotten that the Lakers had a done deal for Chris Paul…. The notion that other GM’s won’t deal with the Lakers is a pile of crap, we’re 32 games into the season, how badly can one guy fuck up from the CP3 deal till now? Im calling bullshit on the source, if the trade deadline passes and they don’t do any sort of move at all then maybe there is validity to it… But as far as anybody is concerned not that long ago CP3 was a Laker for 3 hours, a huge blockbuster franchise changing trade, that is not the sign of other GM’s not wanting to deal with the Lakers or the sign of an inept FO… If they had just done the Odom move without showing before-hand that they knew what they had to do, then yes they would have been inept… But that deal proves they’re not…

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by Funkensteinn on Feb 21, 2012 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

The talk about Mitch's "depressed" state has been around all season, so it's not out of the question that a lot of this info is correct.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Some of it. I'm not sure about a lot. He got screwed in losing his supporting team, no doubt.

I understood cutting expense at the time, but it was badly mishandled. If they find a way to lose Mitch, I’ll join everyone currently or thinking about building a bunker.

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank goodness there is a picture of Dr Jerry Buss as proof of life.

I have read quotes from Dr Buss (and I feel better when the source isn’t someone said) in which he says he STILL has owner input in working with the two FO proinciples. Why that is absent or ignored in blaming Jim Buss for something that MAY happen is beyond me. The majority of writers trying to figure out what is happening do this.

There is complexity we fantasy owners aren’t privy to, nor do we bear anyone financial repurcussion to OUR decisions. Still, we extrapolate pieces, call it the whole and lay blanket assumptions out as reality with little alternative.

I came across a great article that at least shares some thought of how it will be to navigate within the new CBA http://sircharlesincharge.com/2012/02/17/what-the-lakers-might-be-thinking-and-pau-gasols-future-in-purple-and-gold/

When you read this article, you are forced to recognize that the action of nearly pulling off the Paul trade was a move of great business sense in the environment the Lakers have to operate in going forward. It didn’t happen, but not from what the FO did wrong (except believe they would be allowed to go all in immediately following the lockout). It didn’t happen and now the same people who nearly pulled it off are buffoons watching the Lakers die on the vine from a strip bar? Doubtful.

Rome fell from issues within AND without. If this empire is declining, I won’t fear a column falling on me. We are the Lakers and not the Celtics. We reload.

I wish they would close ranks again and quit leaving tidbits that become “stories” by people like Berger. Forward Lakers. Ever forward.

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 3:33 PM PST reply actions  

Drew's article is all speculation, even the title tells you that. As Chris said, every source has an agenda, but that doesn't mean the info isn't legit.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm referring to the reality of cosiderations that come from operating in the CBA not that we have to make the moves he suggests.

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

None of this is shocking news.

Throughout the entire off-season, we read about everybody being relieved of their duties, especially Ronnie Lester; someone that Kupchak trusted most. Even the hiring process of the head coach was odd and the choice was odd as well. When quotes came out about these layoffs being about getting away from PJ era, everything began to make sense. Ken Berger’s article makes too much sense to not be most true.

by E-ROC on Feb 21, 2012 3:47 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

"the lakers are not the celtics.we reload"

ive been saying that for yrs, and im PRAYING that the laker brass dont let this storied franchize fall like the celtics did, and went into mediocrity for over 20 yrs before winning another title. i dont think dr. buss will ever let that happen…

but, the way things are going now?…i just dont know. changes NEED to be made, no doubt about that. look at the celtics of old, they rode the **** out of bird, parish, and mchale, till the freakin wheels fell off. they all retired, and the team went into a tailspin (like i really cared! lol), but my point is, that the lakers have to move on.

and if it means hasving to trade some valuable pieces? then so be it. but therein lies the problem, the lakers chose the same route last yr, and chose to stand pat with most of the current roster this yr. getting swept last yr, left us all with that sour taste in our mouth’s. but people fail to realize the real problem, in how the lakers would trade there pieces. like someone said earlier, what teams going to want to help the lakers? these same lakers who, for 4 yr’s straight, was knocking the shit out of everyone.

ill give mitch a boatload of credit, he “had” cp3, he had him! and freakin stern blew it all up in there faces. and now with fragile ego’s at hand with gasol, and and a departed, whiny, odom, long gone…just like kobe said, there just going to have to get over it. i hop ethe lakers can resolve these issue’s, jim buss needs to come down from his high horse, and start mingling with his players, and staff.

most of the team had stated they dont even know who the hell jim buss is, he has no connection with them or anyone else for that matter. but like i said, i hope your right zen and tonic…i hope the lakers do “reload” after the all-star break, and bring some new "energy’ back to lakerland, because if there isnt any trades? or anything to that? like this story said…………..

by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM PST reply actions  

I hope so too Mark. Even if this truncated season is "throwaway" and the rebuilding starts in the summer.

Our history is a trend that goes against a potential Laker acopalypse NOW. That’s not to say it can’t happen, but it is not likely just because of what people who aren’t making deals are saying. Lack of visible activty does not necessarily equal no action or ineptitude.

The Lakers need to close ranks and go back to not airing their personal reflections in the media. Too many people want to push opine to fact and then to some kind of irrefutable proof of impending doom. Thanks to the disclaimer, I get what C.A. is saying, but I look at Berger and say, the difference between a shaky, propped-up rumor and a lie is time. The Lakers empire will fall someday, but it won’t be today.

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

man.....

i dont want to even think about the “fall” of the lakers lol. i think the only real possibility of that happening if dr. buss sold the lakers outright to someone totally new. with kobe retired, and the lakers just slid into a black hole, like the clippers were all those yrs. again…i dont even want to think about that. i am curious of whats going to happen after the all-star break though. are the lakers going to do something?….hmmmmmmm

by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 21, 2012 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Time will tell, not beat writers.

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

LOL, and you're a member of SS&R because...?

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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Ouch.

Um, to talk with Laker FANS about all things Lakers?

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, but our writers speculate as well so I'm wondering if you lump them in with the others. No offense intended.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for saying that. Truly.

I don’t attack SSR writers (if it ever appeared that way, it was unintentional). They write from the perspective of Laker fans and it is appreciated. They have followed this team, from what I can tell, as unabashed bleeders of the Purple and Gold-with an valid opinion about what they see. I enjoy the free exchange here and don’t always agree about “the moment” in time. But it is fair writing and laid out with their reasoning. I don’t believe they are agenda driven in the same sense at all as beat writers for the NBA or non-fans writing locally. I’m a glass half full guy for the Lakers, so Simers and Plashke are not my faves. I try to be respectful in stating why I disagree and when I do, I give examples.

"I keep telling everybody we’re going to be fine," Bryant said. "This is the start of the year and it’s tough to kind of get out on the road. We had some very tough opponents to start the season with on the road. It’s kind of getting used to everything with no practices. We’re going to be A-OK."

by Zen and Tonic on Feb 21, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

my hunch is that

The Jeanie/Phil camp is undermining the Jim camp. Notice that no report ever accuses Jerry of anything. Or Mitch. It’s all accusing Jim.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 21, 2012 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

Well, there is since Jeanie is still there and she's obviously miffed at the current situation.

Not saying that she was necessarily the one that leaked this, but it’s not implausible.

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by Ben R on Feb 21, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeanie doesn't camp and Phil is no longer involved. Seriously.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeanie Buss is quoted in the article

speaking about the fact things are different there for her now and she’s not around even as often anymore. Sure, she could be leaking it, but she has nothing to gain and the information can only hurt the organization she’s grown up with.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
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by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

And her inheritance.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I file 99% of ALL of this under the old proverb:

Natura vacuum abhorret. That is, “nature abhors a vacuum.” The Lakers have historically remained stonily silent about any and every trade, with other organizations, their players and coaches, their fans, and particularly the press. This period is no different. In the absence of anything actual to report, writers will, as they have at every other such period throughout recorded history, fill that vacuum with whatever particular axe they’ve got to grind. In the case of the Lakers, as any long-time follower knows, there are a LOT of axes out there, mostly pointed in our general direction.

So, while I suspect that where there’s smoke, there’s fire (let’s just load up on the clichés why don’t we) I’m giving “The Jim Buss Era” until ONE ACTUAL MOVE IS MADE to decide whether it’s the end of an empire or not. The first move he made, trading for Chris Paul without gutting the franchise, while not pleasing to many, was exactly the kind of bold move the Lakers have historically been known for. We know how that one turned out, and who’s fault it WASN’T.

While there are a lot of easy shots one can take at Jimmy B, I don’t particularly care that they’ve got a guy who can mix a drink on the payroll, or that they dumped Ronnie Lester, or even that they let B Shaw get away (and he will always be one of my favorite all-time Lakers), or what kind of a culture those actions are indicative of. What I care about is that the Lakers have a chance to win. And we won’t know that, even theoretically, until after the trade deadline, whether Jim Buss is a bon vivant or not.

Chirping from the railbirds, Kobe dropping F bombs to the front office through the press, Mitch releasing robotic written statements, team-only meetings, anonymous sources, hysterical headlines in the sports pages.

Yep, this is La La Land. My home.

"No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance, no stitches." - Chicky Baby

by Bob White on Feb 21, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Um, okay.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, didn't see I posted that as a reply to your thread. Oopsy.

"No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance, no stitches." - Chicky Baby

by Bob White on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Jim Buss

hasn’t been given a fair chance, We have to let the Trade deadline pass and see where we are. at least then we will have an idea where this season and the next are headed. It has been said that he was given the team is great shape, and he has broken it down, But really he was give n a team that has 3 great players, and one that is severely over the cap, and the new CBA where the team will get pretty Hard if they dont get it under the cap soon, the first year of lockout reduced season, on top of that a new Coach with a New System with about 4-5 new Players, that is allot to get down, lets let it play out – just wanted to give a different perspective, the world really crashing down. atleast imho.

by LakeredXII on Feb 21, 2012 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

LOL, Mike Brown has been given less of a chance than Jim Buss but everyone wants him fired.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

The Lakers defense was putting up some pretty great numbers post-all star last season until they basically ran out of gas two weeks before the season was finished. And they just never really recovered from that exhaustion.

Even with that exhaustion, the Lakers still were a very difficult team to score on below the arc. I mean the Lakers still had more fieldgoals than the Mavericks did in a couple of those playoff games last year. Without the ability to rotate to three point shooters and defense with hands instead of position (a hallmark of a tired team) stopping the Mavs from hitting twos turned out not to matter much.

I have no problem really with what Brown is doing this year. I don’t agree with the hire but he’s not doing a bad job. But if the Lakers get tired this year in the playoffs there’s nothing he can do to save them, because as the saying goes, fatigue makes cowards of us all.

by Derek Fisher Fan on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Magic was right: " Jim is running things now," and it will be very different.

Magic said: “He’s reponsible for the Bynum aquisition, and we see how that turned out.”
He’s right,
Bynum has contributed very little to our 3 runs towards titles by missing games per injuries.
He’s also prevented us from trading to obtain new youthful players, Phil & Kobe wanted.
Now all of a sudden Andrews ballin! Funny how players wake up when they know their being considered to move on. Gasol of course being the exception.
FO could make smaller moves to help gaurantee Dwight’s desires, but they won’t. Which will cost us Dwight and D Wil too. This current roster is inept. That’s Jim’s fault. Not signing a PG for a few mil, but signing Kapono instead was Stupid! Aaron Brooks or Dragic would’ve been more valuable to us. It’s the little moves he’s missing. And he’s waiting, for what?

by look closer on Feb 21, 2012 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

Bynum is what 23? 22 years old?

I think Bynum’s improvement is just a natural evolution of a big man’s game which usually peaks later than a guard’s game. Bynum hasn’t peaked yet. The main worry with him is will his knees hold up until he gets there. Just wait until Bynum learns how to deal with double teams.

Leadership: The art of getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

by Jason78 on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Andrew Bynum is 25.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Blazers.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 21, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

*24

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius

by Hdg23 on Feb 21, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, let's wait until post 3-15.

I hope we won’t need to pray for the return of Jerrys(Buss & West).

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 21, 2012 6:58 PM PST reply actions  

The linked article is quite sad because Dr. Buss doesn't have as much pull as before, but all is not lost.

Obviously (to me anyway) the Lakers dealt Lamar to save $. Remember when Kobe and Phil had to convince Dr. Buss to spend over-budget to re-sign Lamar a couple years ago? Clearly the same people don’t have as much pull now as they did then. However, there are however clear competitive advantages for the Lakers.

1) The Time Warner deal: Once that kicks in, the Lakers will be able to go much more over the cap than any other team so once top players are acquired, it will be easier to keep them.

2) The allure of Los Angeles. It is cool to be a Laker. Plain and simple. Endorsement opportunities galore, hang out with movie stars, live by the ocean … I mean come on LA is about as good as it gets for rich people with huge egos.

3) A demanding fanbase. Why is SEC football better than everyone else … they care more. 90,000 show up to the freaking spring practice scrimmages (“we talkin’ about practice”). They demand the best and won’t put up with anything less so they pay more for top coaches and top facilities to build their programs. The Laker fanbase is the same way. Currently, the Lakers are 5th in the West and 1 game out of 3rd in a lockout shortened season with limited practice time while trying to install a new system with a new coaching staff and everyone is in a panic. Most other franchises would be quite satisfied and looking forward to the playoffs knowing the team was always going to be better at the end of the season than the beginning because of all the offseason changes. This is because we care more about championships than other fanbases. 5th simply isn’t good enough. We want a parade.

Leadership: The art of getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

by Jason78 on Feb 21, 2012 7:11 PM PST reply actions  

Lakers still great and will always be

New management, new rules, same agenda “Championships”.
Lakers FO aren’t that stupid enough to see what’s happening, I’m sure they’re doing the best they can to improve the team, for that they should have RIGHT personnel that can EXECUTE whatever that plans they have. A vetoed CP3 trade is a good example, they pull off that 3 team trade, and if it was successful we are not saying this kind of stuff to the FO. Clearly, they look bad because what’s happening now… but stubborn as Jim Buss is, Dr. Jerry is still around, and I believe he will not just standby and watch while his Lakers rot to the bottom, and that’s our hope. Also trading and signing isn’t that simple as most people might think, a lot of factors are to be considered.
Media always blowing things out of proportion, sometimes helpful and mostly not. Let’s be patient and wait until March 15, what kind of move the FO will execute. From there we will see if the Lakers can compete this year. Regardless what’s on the market Lakers will always go after the best possible move. Have hope, Lakers are still great!

by froZ3n on Feb 21, 2012 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

For all the Chaz skeptics, I give you DraftExpress' Jonathan Givony. @DraftExpress:
As someone who attended dozens of NBA scouting events over the last 8 years, I can say Lakers scout Chaz Osborne is just as professional…
…and as hard a worker as any scout you’ll come across. His background might be different, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t do his job well

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Feb 21, 2012 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

I think it's just funny cuz

dude’s name is Chaz and no one really has anything to say about him other than things like that lol

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Don't Forget To Change Your Sig Tomorrow Since We're Playing Phoenix, SCG

by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

fo real

anonymity, fun, and scouting all without any backlash cuz ur just “that good dude Chaz”

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Don't Forget To Change Your Sig Tomorrow Since We're Playing Phoenix, SCG

by Marty Mart on Feb 21, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This made me depressed

I’ve started drinking earlier than normal tonight.

by LakerKev on Feb 21, 2012 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

JIM BVSS . . . FVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV!

Well, C.A., if the Roman Empire could survive a bunch of brats who became emperor by inheriting the role from their dads and promptly messing things up, perhaps there’s hope that the Lakers will still be dominant for at least 100 more years.

"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach

"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

"make em eat your bubbles" - Cup Noodles

by Koshu on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 AM PST reply actions  

The Front Office is not as bad as they paint it....

As stated before we did have CP3 for a little while. In fact, my local news said we traded for CP3 and I was hella excited just to read later on the trade was VETOED.
*F*** STERN!
Now I think we need to move past that but the problem is not the Front Office seriously. It has a lot to do with the aftermath of the trade. We do not have assets to trade for a good young point guard. Not as far as I can see, but then again, I never saw the CP3 trade coming either. So hell yes, I think the front office may have yet another Ace up their sleeves and they better, if not they will have a huge fanbase up their ass for dismantling the team.

Right now nothing is concrete we have to just wait and see.

by Kobe THE Greatest on Feb 22, 2012 5:28 AM PST reply actions  


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