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We're now 29 games into this current lockout-delayed and shortened NBA season. Four games away from the halfway point, and exactly one month from the trading deadline. At this point in the season, we should know what to look forward to with these Lakers. For better or worse, there's a certain comfort in knowing how high or low to level expectations of your team. At least there's a definitive way to feel and you can manage your expectations accordingly. You know who your team is and what their strengths and weaknesses are. No matter what, you're able to hold some emotion towards your team. What the hell are we supposed to think about this year's Lakers so far? Excitement? Frustration? Disappointment?

Almost halfway into the season, the Lakers are still as huge a question mark (or twenty) as they were before Derrick Rose and his Chicago Bulls came to visit on Christmas Day. It's hard to have a concrete feeling about this team because I don't know how this team will look a month from now. In my rooting, I like to focus on positives. Sure Fish can't play D, but he knocks down big shots. No, World Peace can't shoot, but he play good defense off and on. I have absolutely no idea if the group of guys I'm watching and critiquing now will look anything close to whomever is going to share the floor with Kobe by the time Spring rolls around. Major trades have put a cloud over the entire Lakers season. The Dwight rumors have lingered forever, the Chris Paul attempt signaled the Lakers were seriously pursuing that major roster shake-up Magic Johnson promised us, and the Lamar Odom giveaway signaled (hopefully) more moves to be made. But, here we are on February 15th, still waiting.

How much longer will we have to wait?

Star-divide

In each of the previous three seasons, the Lakers made their moves before February 15th. In 07-08, the Lakers traded for Trevor Ariza on December 7th, 2007. They traded Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol on February 1st, 2008. In 2009, they traded Vladimir Radmanovic for Shannon Brown on February 7th. Last season, they traded Sasha Vujacic on December 15th 2010.

The trade deadline varies from season to season. The Ariza and Vujacic deals were done well in advance of the deadlines, and were minor deals since neither shipped out starters, nor wanted players. The Pau and Brown deals both shipped out starters, and each of those were made close to the late February deadlines in their respective seasons. Due to the lockout, this season's date was pushed back to March 15th, but the All-Star break starts on February 24th. I'd imagine the attention garnered during the All-Star break is something to consider upon announcing any major moves.

The only things I feel we know for sure, so far, are these: Kobe is Kobe, Mike Brown is the coach, and Jim Buss makes the decisions. We've had frustrations with all three, but it's the latter that has us (or at least me) worried the most. Even at his worst, we know what Kobe gives us. The dude has been the standard in his 16 seasons, and he's the one constant in Lakerland that doesn't have the last name "Buss". He hasn't shown much, if any, signs of decline. Mike Brown is afforded a leash because he's new to the team. He has experienced success (kinda) before, and following Phil Jackson is no easy task for any coach. And then there's Jimmy.

While I view Jimmy with a somewhat cautious eye, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until he proves for certain that he's in Michael Jordan's category. Of course I don't want to see that, so I pray my skepticism is eventually proved unwarranted. But why hasn't anything happened yet? Even with Kobe, Pau, and Bynum, this team isn't quite elite, and I want to know where they're heading. I need the peace of mind of knowing where to look. I don't know if Dwight is coming here, nor do I know if Deron Williams will follow if he does. I wonder if Bynum is getting traded, then I wonder if it's going to be Pau (we only pray that Metta World Peace or Luke Walton's contract can be traded). Outside of Kobe, I have no clue what star will line-up next to him in a month.

This team is deeply flawed as is. So flawed I can't see any reason that the Lakers can possibly view this current roster as the team with which to compete for a championship. Basically, we have no point guard, no small forward, and no bench. There will be occasional bright moments here and there throughout the season. Fish will hit some clutch shots, Metta will shut some high scorer down in a game, and Troy Murphy might find his shot some nights. They won't happen enough to waste whatever remaining ring-chasing years Kobe Bryant has left. I suppose some of that "blame" falls on Kobe's shoulders too. After all, he does make over $24 million a season. So, it's not like the Lakers can just sign each and every free agent they feel the desire to have. I understand they have to skimp on some things. But here's where things make no sense and keep me on edge. Obviously knowing the team was weak at ball-handling, play making, and bench production, why in the world would they trade Lamar Odom for a pick and cap space unless they knew they would be making another move? This one move alone (should) signal that the team we're rooting for now isn't the team we'll be cheering for in a month. Should...

Are the Lakers getting ready for something? They waived Derrick Caracter. Then they worked out Gilbert Arenas, yet didn't offer him a contract. Excuse me if I'm naive or just too ignorant on the situation, but how the hell could Gil be bad enough that he shouldn't / couldn't / wouldn't warrant a shot on this team? The Lakers employ Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Andrew Goudelock, and Jason Kapono. Yeah, I know Fish is clutch and Kobe's boy, but Blake's been a bust so far, and Goudelock only got to shine because his competition is Jason fucking Kapono. Don't get me wrong. I like Goudelock, so I don't mean to take anything away from him, but look at what we have to compare him with. Jason Kapono deserves a roster spot on this team over Gilbert Arenas' corpse? I don't believe it. Sorry. Not when there's a roster spot open, Gilbert comes on the cheap, and so bad are the Lakers guards (not named Kobe), small forwards, and bench that Mike Brown is still tinkering with the starting line-up and substitution patterns. C'mon already.

I don't blame Mike Brown for that. Is it possible that Mike Brown can't find an answer because he isn't sure who will be suiting up for him in a few weeks? Wouldn't it make sense for him to try out each and every player in each and every opportunity? I could only imagine how hard it must be to build a foundation on this team under these circumstances. Everyone good outside of Kobe is looking over their shoulders. The Lakers are desperate enough to try kicking Arenas' tires because they need help scoring and ball-handling. In turn, we're still waiting to know who's going to be around when the Playoffs start. It's hard to know what the shape this team will take in a month while this cloud remains over our heads. I just want some peace of mind in knowing what direction the Lakers are going.

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I feel the same way

I’m just counting the days till the trade deadline.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 15, 2012 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

One thing's for certain.

If Fisher is still starting exactly 1 month from now, the Jim Buss era will officially become a failure.

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by LakerAce on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

LOL

But he really should be about 3rd string, even if we don’t make a move…

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

but… he’s clutch!

by LAL32 on Feb 15, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

What i don't get is

Why didn’t they make fish an assistant coach or something, paying him the same salary (to keep him happy) and got a half decent point guard?

by Datuca on Feb 16, 2012 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, that's not their choice.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 16, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm ok w/Fisher as starter

so long as both G’lock & Blake both have significantly more minutes than Fisher. Not to mention the new capable piece we will bring in to help.
While we are waiting for March 1st and 3-15, Brown should really develop G’lock, he’s a real keeper.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 16, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe not even then

That open roster spot is a small yet vital asset to the Lakers need to have ready when the big moves happen (Dwight and Deron). Every other asset (TPE, draft picks) should also be saved for the big plays, so not seeing any moves yet is a positive sign to me that the Lakers haven’t settled for smaller deals. We need the role player moves, but they shouldn’t come before the major moves.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Which may be true...

My real point is that I can’t fell like this team is the one we’ll end up with. Makes it tough to really root for ‘em. They aren’t ready for a ring (it seems) and the core could be very different.

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by wondahbap on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely don't think that by the trade deadline, at the latest, this team

will have made something of significant change. What is interesting to me is that the trade that got the Lakers Ariza seemed more of a salary move and yet it turned out to be a huge move because of the type of player that Ariza became. I don’t think, this time, they can gamble like that. It needs to be the best possible move for the best possible player.

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by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

But werent you pining for the Sessions trade when rumors leaked out?

Wasnt that unrealistic then. What’s unrealistic is sitting and doing nothing while this team mires in mediocrity. By the time they decide to do sumn it could very well b too late. We have dead weight sitting on the bench in Kapono who we’d b better off cutting and paying to stay away thus opening up a roster spot.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 3:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Why would it be "too late"?

That’s a ridiculous notion. We’re fifth in the West and a game and a half separates us from the third seed. Sure, if we were in danger of missing the playoffs, it could be a legitimate concern, but that’s not the case, and it’s fair to say that the team is on an upward track if Blake and Goudelock can solidify the backup backcourt, which they are currently doing. Cutting Kapono is a pointless move until it is required for an imminent move since his contract is guaranteed.

And yes, I supported a Sessions move, which would realistic at the time, but hasn’t been recently since 1) Irving has been injured and there hasn’t been another point on the Cleveland roster so they’re not moving him while he’s out; 2) Blake and Goudelock have solidified the backcourt rotation and there’s no need to make an immediate fix via getting Sessions if the pick we would have to give up can be re-purposed for a bigger trade.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Just read my sig and you will see why he thinks its too late. : )

He already gave up.

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by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

on this team as it currently is minus any moves. absolutely

Ive said the only chance we have is if we make a trade. Without a trade we’re not going anywhere and they havent shown me any reason to think otherwise.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 8:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah I know.. Just teasing you. : P I know what you guys meant.

Just love giving you guys a hard time and its all for fun. I mean really? do you think that if you weren’t a true Lakers fan that you wouldn’t be on here every day. : )

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by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha

It takes a special kind of person to be here every day. You guys are my family. Single tear. :p

by yesu_ni_mungu on Feb 15, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

welcome. Not sure if I talked to you before. : )

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by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol i know

We all want whas best and Championships! Anything less would b uncivilized

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 10:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Actually

with the 1st game vs. Bulls and this last game vs. Hawks, there are some indications this team as currently composed has a chance to make it to Conference final, provided everyone is well versed in Brown’s system. So I still hold some hope.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 16, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, Blake has been pretty good.

And it’s not that Blake is having a bust year this year. He’s actually averaging more points, rebounds, assists, steals and threes than last season so far, and his turnover rate is much lower this year compared to last. I’m pretty sure he’s doing much better in this offense, and if it wasn’t for the injury we’d see a solidified bench.

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by bengalithugg13 on Feb 15, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The only way I'd support a trade would be if Fisher gets benched in favor of Sessions, which won't happen.

It was one thing when Blake was out, but at this point, Sessions’ minutes would come at the expense of Blake and while he’s a better solution, the marginal benefit probably isn’t worth a first rounder, which is one of the few means by which we can grease potential trades.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, so basically

If you could just switch out Fish for Sessions, and still have Blake as the primary backup, it’s great! But if he essentially just takes Blake’s spot, it’s pretty useless…

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

but, I will not give up any of our limited assets until we know for sure that we are out of the running for D12 and D-Will.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 16, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

With as much trouble this current group has had learning the offense

Waiting until the last minute to make a move especially a Major one sets the learning curve back even further as some of the ones that know it will b replaced with ones who dnt. Back to square 1.5 and we all have seen the ineptitude regarding that.

Regarding Sessions, He is an upgrade over Fisher AND Blake as you have said yourself. So a trade for him would make sense at any point imo. This current cant get it done. Blake should get the minutes he relegates Fisher to while someone else starts. The fact that we want all want him playing more shows how sad a state our pg play is

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 7:55 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Any move we make will make the transition easier, not harder.

Since the only reason we would make a move would be to resolve the imbalances in the roster and fill holes at the one and the three. So barring a trade like Pau for Melo or something that would require a dramatic shift of our offensive philosophy, any trade — as practically every non-Howard scenario has us targeting a point guard — will improve the offensive flow since we’ll finally have a player that can actually run a pick-and-roll. Sure, there will be a transition period as the new players get used to the roster, but the whole point of making a trade is to get players that fit the system we’re using, so saying that it would be a setback as a whole is frankly silly.

As for Sessions, yes, he is an upgrade on both, but as I noted above, if he’s just taking Blake’s minutes instead of benching Fisher, it’s a marginal upgrade instead of a comprehensive one. Getting him would require giving up a first and giving up part of the TPE, both of which we need to sweeten any larger deals that we will become involved in. Moreover, there’s really no potential suitor for him now given that the Knicks have Lin, so the Lakers should be in no real hurry at the moment beyond trying to woo Smith.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Thas why i said a MAJOR deal regarding a transition.

And even that would b fine with me if it set us up nicely for the future. I dnt see a scenario where we get Sessions and he doesnt outplay both Fisher and Blake and take the starting spot. At some point people are gonna hafta do whas best for the team and that loyalty to Fisher has to end.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Are you accusing me of loyalty to Fisher? Really? I've probably been one of his foremost detractors.

Obviously, Sessions is better, but someone would have to make the decision to bench Fisher, and I don’t see that happening unless we get a bona fide starting point that makes the discussion moot. Fisher should be be benched now in favor of Goudelock, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Not unless you secretly work in the Lakers FO or coaching staff lol

Im speaking on the coaches FO or whoever it is that cant man up and sit him. I hope we forego any major moves unless its getting a star pg that way Fish is forced out and we wont hafta watch his game to game dismantling

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 11:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree...Blake has to start as we need the bench scoring of Goudelock.

Fisher is 3rd string and really should do us all a favor and hang’m up.

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by cerebralfish on Feb 16, 2012 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, I love that "loyalty to Fisher" has become a crime.

“Ben R, you have been convicted of being loyal to Derek Lamar Fisher. You are thereby sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Bailiffs, please take the prisoner into custody.”

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by SoCalGal on Feb 16, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Its a crime against decent basketball

and the Lakers team

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by EmmCeee on Feb 16, 2012 3:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

good, he may pass out from exhaustion soon

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by Marty Mart on Feb 16, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus, like it was explained to me

By adding arenas right now we we’d have a full 15 man roster and that will limit flexibility in any trades. right now we go 1roster spot avail, and in a deal for someone like howard, we prob would have to take back 1 other bad contract like Turkaglo.and we couldnt do that with arenas signed because we could not add 2players and only send out 1 because we would have too many players. You can only have a 15 man roster

by Ballinsohard on Feb 16, 2012 5:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Roster spot not an issue...

We could easily cut Kapono, McRoberts, etc to clear roster spots for trades. Salary cap is the main issue..

by Philly14 on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, Mike Brown looks like he has mini me arms up there

GA should get a shot. Blake looked good at point last night—really quick and penetrated a lot better and Glock has that scorers mentality without any hesitation. Fisher should not see that floor unless you need a last second shot made.

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by mjtig on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

How has Blake been a bust?

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

Because he was atrocious last season

Which as of now, counts for the “majority” of his time here.

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by nyyrocks29 on Feb 15, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

True but like I said in an earlier comment,

He’s doing much better this season and looked really good yesterday.

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by bengalithugg13 on Feb 15, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

True- he has been quite good this season

He’s been very important to the bench unit and hopefully that continues. But if there was a reason to consider him a bust, last season is it (plus the fact that he got hurt for a good chunk of this year).

I actually would be against any switch of Blake to the starting lineup. The bench unit needs him there and he works well with that group. He ends up playing more minutes than Fish anyway and usually plays during crunch time, so as long as that continues I’m good with it.

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by nyyrocks29 on Feb 15, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

In an ideal world, Goudelock would start and Blake would maintain his current bench role.

Unfortunately…

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd love to start GLock

I mean, how did Fisher become PG? He was given an opportunity as a young player and he’s had a fantastic career. He’s given Laker fans countless memorable moments, especially in the postseason. But it all started with him getting a chance when he was young

Give G-Lock an opportunity. Unfortunately it’s not gonna happen. I’m pretty sure Fish is guaranteed that spot until the end of time. Sigh why can’t we get 07-08 Fish back? Or at least last years version where could hit a three with consistency.

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by nyyrocks29 on Feb 15, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake plays terrible D

The issue is that the opponents PG’s are tearing us apart because we have ZERO that play any D. Believe it or not, basketball is not all offense. We will not get out of the first round with the current cast of PG’s just based on defense. When Calderon lights you up for 30+, you have issues.

by Philly14 on Feb 16, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Quite good?

I don’t see it. He’s too hesitant and indecisive on offense for my liking. As a playmaker and scorer. And he’s a terrible post entry passer, made worse by his indecision. Is he better than last year? Yes, but I don’t think he’s been the answer at PG the Lakers expected before his signing. They gave him a 4 year deal.

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by wondahbap on Feb 16, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I completely agree that he's not the answer

Hopefully some upgrade will be made at some point either at the deadline or the offseason. I don’t think this team can handle another year of this PG duo.

Maybe quite good is a stretch. But Blake’s been a serviceable backup to Fisher at the point. I agree that at times he looks hesitant and not all that confident though. Not nearly as much as last year.

Thats the one thing I love about Fisher, even now at this point in his career. He’s fearless, confident and he’s never afraid to take a big shot late in a game. Blake needs to be more like that. Especially since he’s getting the crunch time minutes pretty much every time out now.

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by nyyrocks29 on Feb 16, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Last season aside

He’s really been our fourth or fifth best player this year…

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a pg and he cant consistently knock down open shots

or create shots for his teammates. He draws no help and is as little of a threat at pg as any pg in the league.

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by cerebralfish on Feb 16, 2012 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, so the halfway point is 33 games, four games from 29, right?

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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I wrote "Seven games"...

I guess Simmons got my mind on 72 games.

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by wondahbap on Feb 15, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I see it now.

STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO SIMMONS!!!!111111

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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Simmons fanboy...psssttt

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by lakergirl on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

14 games left before the Trade Deadline

For now we go to War with this group, and i will cheer them on until the end. they have all given us at least one good play to cheer for, and Fisher more then two hands full – Lakers all day

by LakeredXII on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

At what point does Papa Buss step in?

While I view Jimmy with a somewhat cautious eye, I’m giving him the benefit of doubt until he proves for certain that he’s in Michael Jordan’s category

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by lakergirl on Feb 15, 2012 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

Or his sister?

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont think Jeanie has the power to.

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by lakergirl on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeanie has no control over basketball operations.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You see, that's one of the reasons that, for me personally, I'm giving Buss the benefit of the doubt.

The past 30 years that Jerry’s been in charge, this organization has still been able to rebound and add titles, no matter who was coming or going.

Lakers always found a top 5 player to play for them. When Pat Riley left, they got Phil. When West left, we already had Mitch. He’s one of the best GMs in the league and a house product. So was Riley. So were Magic and Worthy. So is Kobe and maybe someday Bynum.

I see no reason for this success to change in the near future as long as Jerry is still calling the final shots, because even if you want to point to that 4 year-stretch from 04-08 before the team again made the finals, Kobe himself said that Jerry was no longer making all the big choices.

It is different right now. I doubt very much that he would hand his franchise over to someone he knew to be incompetent, even if it was his son. Maybe he felt Jim wasn’t ready at that juncture?

There’s no doubt, whether you like it or not, he’s had a huge degree of influence over the past 15 or so seasons with the team. Last I checked, the Lakers won 5 chips in that timespan.

They made a bold move to eschew continuity and blow up their core this year and almost did it too, but were CBed by Stern.

I may not like Jimbo’s arrogance in interviews or his feuds with people, but I highly doubt that Jerry would put someone who alienated everyone in charge of such a prestigious operation without a very good reason.

However, if the Lakers do screw up and can’t contend at any point in the next 2 years of Kobe’s contract, that is when the window for patience runs out.

by mambahunter on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope you're not thinking Kobe is ever going into the front office. Not gonna happen.

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Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Hawks.
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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, I'm joking about your comment. Chill.
Lakers always found a top 5 player to play for them. When Pat Riley left, they got Phil. When West left, we already had Mitch. He’s one of the best GMs in the league and a house product. So was Riley. So were Magic and Worthy. So is Kobe and maybe someday Bynum.

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Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Hawks.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, I’m joking about your comment. Chill.

I wasn’t aware I had an attitude.

And re: that sentence, yes, I realize it looks awkward now, but I was referring to the Lakers’ habit of home-grown talent, both in the FO and personnel.

by mambahunter on Feb 15, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, it's all good.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ronnie Lester was the next Mitch

Jim Buss gave him the axe. One of several reasons Kupchak is rumored to be unhappy right now.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Feb 15, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Clearing room on the roster?

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by Meriones on Feb 15, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

doesnt change the roster situation.

just heading down for experience.

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 15, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubtful. More like the Jeremy Lin recipe for success.

by reed'sravens on Feb 15, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Roster's still the same.

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by LakerAce on Feb 15, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

why cut somebody with a guaranteed contract for no reason.

if we have someone to take his spot in a trade, he will be cut. but thats not the case.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 15, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ebanks going to the D League....

Which leaves us Metta and Barnes (lol)….While Morris who needs more seasoning stays glued to the bench…Lol I dnt see the logic.

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Maybe Morris will get some playing time now.

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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If anyone needs to get sent down, it's Morris...

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

We will gladly take Kevin Martin

Kevin Martin not happy with benching

"If we’re winning and I’m sitting, I’m happy. Tonight, we got beat, and I’m on a 10-day-contract leash. I’m not happy about that, just because we lost. If we’re winning, I’ll sit over there for 48 minutes."

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by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

too bad he doesnt fit under the odom tpe...

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 15, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

NOOO KMART

DON’T DO WHAT IVERSON DID

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by Marty Mart on Feb 15, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure KMart will fit in anywhere. Not about you, it's about the team and you are old to be making demands

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by mjtig on Feb 15, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

He's making demands because the team lost and by all accounts he's Houston's 1st or 2nd best player

He did say if they won he wouldn’t give a damn

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Feb 15, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

According to Fox Sports
In other news involving NBA big men, a source said Wednesday that Minnesota continues to pursue a possible trade for Lakers forward Pau Gasol, dangling rookie Derrick Williams, who is from the Los Angeles area, and draft choices. The only players considered untouchable by the Timberwolves, who are seeking to add a veteran by the trade deadline, are Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio. The Timberwolves believe it could be enticing for Gasol to play on the same team as fellow Spaniard Rubio.

by Hakob on Feb 15, 2012 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

who is Derrick Williams.????

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he's the T-Wolves version of Ammo

Only way that offer makes any sense. And only as a fanpost at that, not an actual NBA transaction. Kahn is the MWP of GMs.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Feb 15, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Rookie with big big upside

Has the potential to be a do it all guy. I wouldnt trade Pau for him and picks tho it would have been nice to have got that pick and Love last year

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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah..I agree. Upside to me sounds like more of a gamble. and that is one thing the Lakers

cannot afford to do.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

He is an extemely athletic fwd...He was either the 1st or 2nd overall pick in the draft with kyrie irving.

He’s a beast….You can see him on today’s sportscenter top 10. He would be a great pickup but we would still need a pg. I’m still partial to Bynum for Howard and Gasol for Deron Williams.

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by cerebralfish on Feb 16, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

... Why would we want Derrick freakin' Williams?!

The only players I’d want are the 2 that are untouchable, so get lost KAHN!

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I only posted because it was lakers related

I’m sure we could get a better package for Pau than one centered around Derrick Williams

by Hakob on Feb 15, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

No, thank you, it made for a good laugh. :-)

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

D Will = Derrick Williams?

Man, if we ever do this trade i will totally flipped out and start having seizures. How did we ever go from Deron Williams to Derrick Williams! 0.o

by poker on Feb 16, 2012 3:18 AM PST up reply actions  

lmao

Kupchak’s response should basically be "Love or GTFO."

Even a trade like this wouldn’t be equitable:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xrjg9e

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really, a sort of decent pg, and Derrick...

But I’d still rather have Gasol

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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Williams would have to step up in a big way and fill the hole at the four.

Which I’m sure he could do in a year or two, but I question whether he’s ready for that kind of role right now. This does give us some really enviable depth, but it would be rather risky.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in the business of risk if I get an entire bench for Gasol and awfulness.

I would mull that one over for a while. All of them can shoot except Williams and Pekovic, though the former was clearly the best player in college last year. He’ll be consistent with that jump shot later. I would have to see if I can make another deal for a good veteran to come off the bench. Sometimes you can have too much youth. Its interesting though.

by E-ROC on Feb 15, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

If we were getting back an above average starting four, you'd at least have to think about it.

If Minny found a third team willing to do so, I’d be interested.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I would do it.

Derrick Williams would be the starting four. I would lose the length and probably the rebounding. Maybe the some passing. Beasley would come off the bench as the second unit scorer. Martell Webster can play the two or three so there is Kobe’s back up. Ridnour is a starting caliber point guard who is better than anything we have. This works if Fisher gets much less minutes. Pekovic will take Gasol’s spot as backup C. I would probably want first round pick because Beasley may not be re-signed after the season. There is shooting everywhere on the floor and Bynum will emerge as an even more dominant player as the second option.

by E-ROC on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Id have to think about this too.

I posted this in the bar….

Pau, Morris & McRoberts
for Beasley, Williams, Pekovic, Barrea & their 2012 1st round pick

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 15, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't have their 2012 pick.

That was one of the “big” assets that the Clippers sent to the Hornets for Paul.

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by Ben R on Feb 15, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

your right....

damn. well a 2013 pick wouldn’t hurt either

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 4:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm serious.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck no!!

Maybe send Love and a PG then we’ll talk.

by nitotech on Feb 15, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

makes no sense

they already gave Love that contract. Why would they want Pau?

by shawism on Feb 16, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Pau would probably play center

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 4:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Well... Buss did pull the trigger on the CP3 deal which got axed

So he might get some lee-way there.

They’ll definitely make some sort of move. Just about a week ago Kobe himself said, “I’m sure they’ll do something. They’ll tweak something. I don’t know what. But I’m sure they’ll do something.” Don’t know how big of a tweak i will be though.

by LAL32 on Feb 15, 2012 7:59 PM PST reply actions  

As big as you like if you put your mind to it
Don’t know how big of a tweak i will be though.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Feb 15, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you.

Just being patient.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Only thing I know

is that wondahbap is godod at writing articles and that I have had a lot of wine tonighte

by Jevon O on Feb 15, 2012 8:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

LOL

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by mjtig on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL, hey honey, what's up?

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by SoCalGal on Feb 15, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't think we'd be this bad

This team as it is isn’t going anywhere… This team is so flawed, not one trade can fix all ills…

This might not be popular here, but if you can dangle Pau for young talent (young perimeter talent), I’d do it…

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by Paul Udani on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 PM PST reply actions  

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by Kobe:The Legend on Feb 16, 2012 2:52 AM PST reply actions  

we shall see Ron, we shall see...

one game can be the outlier.

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 4:22 AM PST up reply actions  

There's nothing quite like crossing our favourite Space Cadet to get your confidence going

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Feb 16, 2012 6:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Keep an eye on minnesota

Rumored they really want gasol and are looking to give up d.williams and draft picks

by Ballinsohard on Feb 16, 2012 5:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Those picks could be Sooo valuable and williams also

Its plenty teams going nowhere fast with players ready to move on to a team like the lakers. Trade deadline could be interesting

by Ballinsohard on Feb 16, 2012 5:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Kupchak only takes their offer seriously if we really start to fall off the cliff.

And I just dont see that happening. We havent played that well at the beginning of this season, and are still sitting at 5th in the West. The possible addition of JR Smith could really catapult us to a much higher seed.

However, Pau has already shown us that he is on the decline. It may just be the shortened season & Bynum’s emergence as the new #2 option, but his numbers are down across the board. It may be a good time to trade him before we have another aging veteran on our hands.

A trade package sent Pau & Morris for Beasley, D Williams & Pekovic, along with a first round draft pick or two, could be very enticing. Those draft picks could be what brings Dwight to LA. It’s definitely a stretch, but could you imagine having the following lineup on starting day next year:
PG: Glock, Blake (Fish retires)
SG: Bryant, JR Smith (or another SG signed in the offseason)
SF: Beasley, Barnes, Ebanks, Walton (Amnesty Peace)
PF: D Williams, Murphy
C: Howard, Pekovic

We could be a very young, athletic team. A big change around these parts. You have 2 1st round draft picks in a very deep draft next year (if dallas stays in the top 10 in the league). Sign both of them and you are pretty set for the future.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

this trade...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=885zsaf

*Replace W Johnson with JJ Barrea & include these draft picks for Orlando: Dallas’ 2012 1st round pick (from LA) & the Timerbolves 2013 1st round pick

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

No thanx. Unless it involves a player named Love or Rubion forget it.

It seems that according to the article that both are untouchable.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan

by Jelly Bean on Feb 16, 2012 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Your not seeing the bigger picture

Those draft picks and williams could be fliped for another williams. Nj dont want pau for dwill, but would they take the other williams (whose a rookie forward in minnesota)and possible lottery pics for dwill(the pg in NJ)?

by Ballinsohard on Feb 16, 2012 9:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Bynum, picks and salary filler could be traded for dwight,

then trade the pieces & picks you got from Minny for Deron Williams. (or in a 3 team deal)

Trade Bynum, Ebanks, Morris & Dallas’ 1st round pick (from LA) for Dwight

Trade Pau to Minnesota for Beasley, D Williams, Pekovic, Barrea & the Wolves 2013 1st round pick. Send Beasley, Barrea & the Wolves 2013 1st round pick to NJ for Deron.

It could Happen!

PG: Deron Williams, Blake, Fish
SG: Kobe, Glock, Kapono
SF: Peace, Barnes, Walton
PF: Derrick Williams, Murpy, McRoberts
C: Howard, Pekovic

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I dnt see Nj taking that deal

I might not even make another deal if the Minnesota deal were to happen along with the Howard trade. We’d b set up nicely Without Deron. Youth, picks and athleticism to go into the future with.Perfect scenario

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by EmmCeee on Feb 16, 2012 10:45 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

We could evn throw NJ our first round pick if they arent happy with it.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

and it may be the best thing they could get,

if deron tells them he is leaving in the offseason.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

But as you said, I would be perfectly okay with just doing the Minny trade:

PG: Glock, Blake, Fish
SG: Kobe, Webster, Kapono
SF: Beasley, Barnes, Metta, Walton
PF: Williams, Murphy, McRoberts
C: Bynum, Pekovic

Next year, amnesty Metta, Fish retires, Kapono walks & we have 3 1st round draft picks (if dallas stays in the top 10 in the league) to fill out our roster. And you still have a nice trading piece in an expiring contract in Walton. But, if we were that deep of a team, Im sure the FO would just like to have him come off the books at the end of the season.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry

2 first round picks this year, and 2 next year….

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

  • the minnesota trade would have to include Pau & McRoberts to make the salaries match.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

How fucked is it

that JR Smith is considered our most likely savior at this point?

by LAMojo on Feb 16, 2012 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

I still think we are okay without him,

but he would be a very good addition to our low-scoring bench or possibly being our starting SF. (or start him at sg, and move kobe to sf)

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Feb 16, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I only like Kobe as a SF on limited minutes depending on match up.

Smith is better on the bench because our bench is really anemic scoring wise.

by BoneCruncher24 on Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

Never been a fan of JR Smith and his attitude, but I said the same about Barnes and Artest, too. Still, Smith just seems like a wannabe thug.

Is that Basketball Reasonable enough?

by Laserface on Feb 16, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Id almost rathet have arenas because

I see arenas being able to transition back n forth from facilitator to scorer bettet than smith. I dont think is nearly a good a passer as arenas

by Ballinsohard on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

JR Smith is said to be close to a deal w/Knicks...

like Kobe said, it wouldn’t hurt to bring Arena in to see if he fits.

by 4ever Lakers on Feb 16, 2012 3:58 PM PST reply actions  


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