Lakers' Chemistry Is Unsurprisingly Poor. Allegedly.
As the 2012 season ambles forward, it's becoming increasingly apparent that the Lakers have a bit of a chemistry issue. Kobe Bryant clearly isn't satisfied with the current roster, and expects the front office to make changes. To be clear, Kobe's statements hardly rock the boat, but they do communicate a certain displeasure with the overall roster (a displeasure 9 out of 10 Lakers fans agree with). Pau Gasol is not thrilled with how he's being used in the offense. The adjustment period to coach Mike Brown has not been smooth. And now, it appears Metta World Peace is becoming a problem.
Who saw that coming? Everybody. When the Lakers inked then-Ron Artest to a five-year deal, nobody was excited about years 3-5. We all recognized the likelihood that Artest would decline over the course of the contract, so it was always about maximizing returns in the early years. Since Artest certainly helped to deliver a championship in his first season, you could argue the gambit worked (though it remains unclear if the Lakers could have won without him and therefore not be stuck with him now.) And, though Artest's path to redemption has been amazing to watch, his emotional temperament was always going to be tough to manage if and when he did fall off the proverbial cliff.
So, in perhaps the least shocking developments ever, now-Metta World Peace is apparently unhappy with his playing time, and cites the fact that Mike Brown pays too much attention to those silly statistics which paint MWP in a bad light, instead of giving credit to MWP for what he brings to the table with defense and grit. Anonymous teammates think MWP is about to flip, and are ready for the MWP era to end. Of course, any talk of that era ending involves solutions which are hardly ideal. Unless Mitch Kupchak finds an idiot of a trading partner, it would be impossible to offload MWP for any kind of contributing piece unless he's attached to a deal involving some of the Lakers' more prized possessions. The next best option, amnesty, involves waiting until next season. The Lakers could theoretically tell MWP to stay away, effectively cutting him without officially doing so, but one has to imagine an actual outburst or three would be necessary for that to happen. There really aren't any good solutions, and that was always the fear in signing Artest to such a long deal.
But the whole situation is also a microcosm of what the Lakers as a team are dealing with. MWP is a proud individual, and the Lakers as a whole are a proud team. When proud entities morph into something that's not worth their own pride, the process of realizing their decline is hardly ever pretty. Empires, even short-lived ones, hardly ever go quietly into the night. Pride and grace just don't mix in this context. As long as the Lakers continue to play as a shell of their former selves, you should expect unhappiness, discord, and poor chemistry.
Of course, winning would solve just about all of these problems. The issues with MWP are more related to the individual, which means that in order for the problems to simply disappear, MWP has to play well enough to justify the playing time that would satisfy him, but there are no other outstanding issues with this team that couldn't be solved with a steady stream of W's. Despite their inability to do so thus far, the Lakers certainly have the talent and ability required to win. Even on the biggest stage, if everybody on the roster performs at their peak, the Lakers are a tough out for any squad. That is the advantage of having Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum. Because of them, the Lakers can never be counted out completely.
But, as the roster continues to age, and the games of evidence continue to pile up, it becomes increasingly unlikely that the Lakers will be able to find that magic formula which ensures consistent high level performance across the board. Margin of error is a luxury the Lakers are no longer in possession of. And as long as the Lakers remain what they are, a middling team struggling to make the playoffs, or if they deteriorate even further, you can expect the chemistry issues to continue to mount.
This is what it looks like when Rome falls. That doesn't mean the fall of our little purple and gold Rome is a guarantee, but we should hardly feel surprised if it does. The only emotion we should possess in smaller quantity is confidence.
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If anyone knows what it's like to see Rome fall,
it’s Derek. He was there.
how you doin'
Twitter: @bluefalcon916
by bluexfalcon on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
We can rebuild!
The supporting players do a great job churning out the bricks.
by ddg121 on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
This season is getting more and more betterer if you aks me.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Hawks.
Tweetness
yes it is. would i be considered a bandwagon fan if i stoped watching until
i felt they wasn’t going to embarrass themselves and i could watch the games without getting a stomach ache and feeling like i want to throw up?
by Ballinsohard on Feb 14, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
his driving ability
was pretty good, his shooting not so much, also his defense was pretty awesome, and he came through in clutch moments
nope. absolutely not.
Ariza could not have handled Pierce. Just as Artest promised in ’08 when he talked with Kobe, he made his focus neutralizing Pierce, and doing all the little things. That added edge gave the Lakers the extra toughness they needed to vanquish the less-talented but (previously) fiercer Celtics.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
might not have totally handled ariza as well as artest did offensively but
he would have done a really good job plus been able to make Peirce work much harder on defense than Ron did. Ariza can shoot and dribble better than artest
by Ballinsohard on Feb 14, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
good point, but I think that wouldn't have been enough
Stopping Pierce directly through rabid defense was, arguably, more effective than making him run around a little more would have been. Unlike Ray Allen, Ariza is not one of the top three scoring options, so he wouldn’t have done to Pierce what Ray Allen did to Kobe in ’08.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
do you remeber how much ariza used to run around for us? he was everywhere
Plus pierce would have really had to respect ariza 3point shot unlike Ron’s
by Ballinsohard on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Without a doubt Ron Artest's
defense on Kevin Durant was key, he was and has been one of the only guys in the league that has held Durant to some of his lowest scoring numbers.
yup, I hadn't even mentioned that
Durant would have wasted Ariza: he’s taller, quicker, and stronger. But Artest, with his low center of gravity, toughness, and experience, did the job on Durant in ’10.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
agree to disagree
I know what I saw in ’08, when Pierce did what he wanted. Artest shut him down, made him work for every inch, and (most importantly) got in his head. Set the tone from the first series in Game 1, and at that point I knew the Lakers would win in the end.
With no Artest in ’10, the Lakers lose to the Celtics twice in three years. Which would have been unacceptable.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
but with no bynum presence at all we loose to the celtics that year
we got handled in the paint the 1st year more than Peirce just going off. peirce and ray got alot of help and distraction because we spent so much time focusing on trying to stop kg from scoring and stop kg and perk from muscling pau and Lo
by Ballinsohard on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Ariza got owned everytime he tried to guard Melo or Pierce
I remember that quite well. And I honestly don’t see Ariza finding his offensive mojo while being on the Lakers.
Agreed.
Especially not as the 5th option behind Kobe, Pau, Bynum, and Odom. Ariza’s role would have been minimal against Boston, compared with his contribution in the Orlando ’09 season, which relied on risky steals and transition threes.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
based on history? no but i'm sure we could have won with Ariza in his place that year
by Ballinsohard on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Nope. You seem to forget that Ron was shooting better compared to this year.
So that just negate what Ariza will have done offensively because he’ll be abuse by Durant and Pierce. Then Kobe will have to guard those guys.
by BoneCruncher24 on Feb 14, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
How does his driving matter? Team doesn't need a chauffeur.
Trololol
by mambahunter on Feb 14, 2012 1:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
no
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Don't Forget To Change Your Sig Tomorrow Since We're Playing Atlanta, SCG
Nope. He was a perfect piece against Orlando in '09,
But he wouldn’t have helped as much against Boston in ’10. Mitch made the right move at the right time for that one.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Not Exactly
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Finally..lol
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
So right now at this point, you guys are saying you'd rather have artest than ariza?
by Ballinsohard on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
They are saying that Lakers
don’t win that year with Ariza instead of Artest. So because of resulting championship Artest was right choice.
that was never the question
If Artest could be magically traded for Ariza, right now, then duh. But if the implication was that choosing Artest over Ariza in ’10 was regrettable, the answer is simple:
NO.
With Artest = ’10 ring. Plain and simple.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually that was the question.....
Obviously Ariza was huge during the playoff run when we beat Orlando and obviously Artest came up huge when we beat Boston, those are undeniable facts. My point was that this team right now could really use Trevor Ariza and that’s why I miss him.
by (Not)Exactly on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason to even want Ariza now is cuz he's younger
otherwise, he and Artest aren’t good reliable options.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Don't Forget To Change Your Sig Tomorrow Since We're Playing Atlanta, SCG
Ariza & Ebanks
They would merge to form some sort of 12’ tall Voltron
Is that Basketball Reasonable enough?
Trading Lamar for nothing killed this team.
I’m not saying that Lamar solves all of our problems. This is obviously not true. But he would keep opposing defenses from packing the paint, take ball handling duties, and not to mention his positive influence in the locker room.
But that would never have happened if the Paul deal hadn’t got nixed and Lamar didnt get his feelings hurt. Essentially David Stern hamstrung the Lakers and the Rockets and we’re still dealing with the fallout. I understand that the Lakers FO are presumably doing the best they can but the fact still remains…. The dominos have fallen and the walls of Rome are crumbling
Yeah his loss is definitely being felt
Oh well =/
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
yes and no
Yes if you thought the Lakers had a chance at winning the title this year with the same lineup as last year. Arguably yes, though I don’t think so. I think it was a combination of missing some fire (especially in the debacle against the Mavs), having one more year on the odometer for the old guys, and just lacking that edge. Only Kobe maintained that edge, though he’s also partly responsible for the collapse against the Mavs.
Quite simply, the second shoe has yet to drop: Lamar was traded for cap space, but the big trade(s) are yet to materialize. Obviously this the result of the Stern screw-over, but either way, I think Lamar was on the way out. Pau probably is, too, but it’s just a matter of when, and for whom.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah without the Chris Paul trade we'll never really know what this season
“could have been”.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
more likely, it would have been next season
Since it takes time for a team to mesh together—especially in a shortened season. The ’08 Celtics are one exception, though they all bonded well before the ’08 season began and had time to gel.
But your point is well-taken: Chris Paul + Kobe + Drew would have been the core for another title or two, and then with Dwight (creating the Paul + Howard combo to “replace” Kobe) formed the nucleus for another 5-year window.
Still, if the Lakers can get either Deron or Rondo, then they’ve got a similar promising road, without Paul’s injury question.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Still not sold on Rondo
defenses will pack the paint even worse with him at 1. At least defenses will guard our current PG’s at the 3pt line, even though they don’t make them pay enough when they slip up.
yeah, that's also what's holding me back
Dude can’t hit a jump shot or a free throw: that makes you more Avery Johnson than Chris Paul. That triple double against the Bulls was pretty, but with a huge asterisk since Rose was sitting.
I like Rondo’s fire, but probably Deron would be better.
Dark horse= Steve Nash. Short window, and a long shot to happen, but he’d be hugely motivated and would gel with this team.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but look how the Clippers are playing
Most of that is Paul, in what I’ve seen. I would love Deron, for sure. Rondo is great too, but I don’t think that’s as likely. Either way, good points.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
trust me, I've noticed
And it’s hard to watch: Paul instantly turned that Clipper team into a winner. I think Kobe would have had a permanent smile on his face to be finally playing with someone who matches his competitive desire. Chris Paul is hungry, and would do ANYTHING to win—that’s what Kobe wants.
Damn it, now I’m just getting pissed all over again. Screw you, Stern.
by lakerschamps on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Heh, sorry man, but I know how you feel.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Isn't this why Phil didn't play Pau, Drew and LO...because the opposition would just pack the paint?
But he would keep opposing defenses from packing the paint
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
if ron makes 3s
ron plays game more with starters. ron’s current postgm is incompatible and his 3s are bad so he plays less. he wants more time? make more 3s
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Don't Forget To Change Your Sig Tomorrow Since We're Playing Atlanta, SCG
Can Ron start with just making a layup?
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
I think he spent his entire seasons worth of layups on this play right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICAD58dFyU
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You're welcome." -Kobe
Man, he may have taken a loan out on next year's layups too...
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Yeah i know we hit on Fisher a lot but I dont think this have been talked about enough
I think he need a change of scenary. You know when he cam in they said he can normally give a team a good 2 years before its time to move on. I guess he gets bored or something. I’m sure if we trade him to Ny or Nj he’ll play like he did for us the 1st year he was here, and like the 1st year he played in houston
heck no man id trade mwp for a tade exception
Or a draft pick, any draft pick will he has some value, although not alot. We got way too many SFs and somebodys gotta go=mwp. Plus he’s infatuated with his home state NY
by Ballinsohard on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
LOL, you're kidding right?
Yeah i know we hit on Fisher a lot but I dont think this have been talked about enough
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Hawks.
Tweetness
by SoCalGal on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No im serious, I felt ron should have got the
Amnesty this year if we wasnt gonna use it on luke. I hear people talking about how much he has sucked but idont hear near as much “sit mwp at thr end of the bench and let barnes ebanks and kobe play SF, like I hear the fisher needs to retire and let blake morris and goudelock cover the PG duties”
by Ballinsohard on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Metta.....look at your fucking numbers
33% fg, 19% threes, 51% ft, and scoring 3 ppg less every year since joining the lakers
Shut the fuck up
Coach has to meet us halfway
The "anonymous teammate" is obviously Swagbro.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions
dude...
I’m really thinking we need to pull the trigger for DH12 and give them Bynum and Metta for Howard and Turk.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
no way orlando takes metta...
salaries don’t match up anyway
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
You make it sound like that's a difficult decision.
Or that it is something that is actually available.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
actually...what I meant was...
screw it…i’ll give gasol and bynum for Howard and turk.
then flip MWP to someone else. Anyone interested in a Walton/MWP combo package?
Anyone?
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Nobody.
Not even the LA Defenders
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
the gasol and bynum centerpiece deal for Howard and Turk actually does make sense and has been
proposed before.
The Walton/Artest deal was a joke.
Apparently you didn’t get it.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
via JR Smith's twitter
Just had a great talk with Coach Brown!
Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.
He is trolling us
But look at it this way tho, Coach Brown does know how to talk up a good game. The Lakers hired him.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I wouldn't mind coach brown tricking JR into playing with us.
he’s the perfect backup to Kobe.
Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.
I dnt see Jr coming to us when he can win,get more pt and have fun all at the same time playing for tha clippers
Lets b honest. Outside of Gil, Who would want to come here at this point? Theres ZERO excitement on this team and 90% of the time the guys look like they hate being on the court together. Add in losing and the FO apparent disinterest in improving , theres a real possibility this team could implode with Metta Bricks being the one to strike the match
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by EmmCeee on Feb 14, 2012 2:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
There is always a chance.
Can JR play the 3?
Or simply move Kobe to the starting 3 spot. We can offer him a chance at a starting spot.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Add in losing and the FO apparent disinterest in improving
Uh, what? The Paul trade strike a bell? Simply because nothing has happened yet — and we shouldn’t expect anything to do so until March 1st — doesn’t mean that the FO isn’t investigating all possible avenues to improving. To say that they’re content with this current situation would run counter to literally everything that has been reported about the Lakers’ activity thus far this year.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Until a move is made thas what It is.
The paul deal is over and has been for a while. Im speaking on the current play from tha Lakers which has nothing to do with what happened prior to the season starting. How long is the Paul deal gonna b used as an excuse.
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by EmmCeee on Feb 14, 2012 9:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Saying that it's a turn-off for free agents is preposterous though.
Since the very fact that they are talking with a free agent disabuses that notion. And obviously, the notion by itself that the FO isn’t actively looking to improve, considering how often we’re involved in Howard rumors, is ridiculous.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Howard "rumors"
Sessions “rumors” Gil “rumors” All sound good but mean nothing unless it happens. There’s a reason i stated Gil being the exception as he’s the only FA we have a shot at. As far as the FO goes i said “apparently disinterested in improving” Nothing definitive but based on ZERO Dleague callups,no trades or FA signing it seems pretty obvious theyre content to leave errthing as is right now. There’s no disputing that.
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by EmmCeee on Feb 15, 2012 9:01 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
we are at least in the running.
anybody know when his contract is over in china?
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
He was planning to be back in the U.S. on the 15th.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Hawks.
Tweetness
@ the trade deadline....
yowsers. hope we have something else in mind if he decides to play elsewhere. im guessing thats what arenas is…
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
No, February 15. He tweeted it last week.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Hawks.
Tweetness
oh. thats a hell of a lot better.
here’s to hoping for some good news in the form of some help in a couple days….
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
i wish but won't happen. he has a starting sg role locked up with the clips since the billups injury, and will be getting alot more money that we can offer.
or he may end up not even in la, but he doesn’t want to come in and be kobe’s back up.
i thought the clips used the mini-mle on martin.
i could be wrong. but that means we both can only offer him the vets minimum.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
nooooooooooooo! wtf is happening? Chicken Little kitty wants to know.

THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
without Ron, we don't win game 6 against the Suns in 2010 or the Celtics in game 7.
The Lakers should retire World Peace’s jersey, number 37 and 15…..
No but for real, how much stock does everybody put into those reports that teammates are unhappy with him and eager to see him leave?
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
lolwut.
We’re not retiring his jersey. There is a fair chance that we don’t even retire Fish’s jersey. As for the report, it’s believable. MWP apparently disagrees with Brown that he doesn’t deserve minutes because his numbers are so obscenely bad that he doesn’t deserve them. Not a stretch to say that his teammates don’t agree with Brown on the matter.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
haha! yeah I know, I was just joshin'.
I think the Lakers only retire Hall of Famer’s. Don’t think Fish will get his either.
I just wonder which Lakers are the ones who would speak out publicly against MWP. I’m thinking it’s the rookies.
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Feb 14, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, my bad.
Should have missed the obviously placed sarcasm.
What I get for trying to respond on my phone.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Should have seen* the obviously placed sarcasm.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
but brown has been playing him larger minutes lately compared to earlier in the season
so the disagreement may not be as vast as it is reported.
obviously, when you’re losing, issues always exacerbate…but i don’t think it’s to the point where everything will explode, yet. Laker are still in decent standing even if their record is not as good as past years.
Reporters like to dig for some type of drama angle
So they can have something interesting to write. They ask questions that are controverial and then they twist the guys whole statement around and make it sound worsr. I never really understood why the media is allowes to even ask certain hot button question that will get a players/coaches in trouble or fined if they answer honestly. I gues thats stern in cahoots with the media
by Ballinsohard on Feb 15, 2012 5:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions

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