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Lakers/Rockets: Lessons in Balancing Dominance

BOSTON - JUNE 13:  (L-R) Kobe Bryant #24 and Andrew Bynum #17 of the Los Angeles Lakers look on against the Boston Celtics during Game Five of the 2010 NBA Finals on June 13, 2010 at TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this Photograph, user is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

Yesterday's game between the Lakers and Rockets, aside from being an enjoyable romp of a borderline playoff team, represented an interesting confluence of narratives that we have not seen so far this season. It was a paean to an aging but still effective superstar in Kobe Bryant, yet also a demonstration from Andrew Bynum why he clearly is at least the second best center in the league and a virtual lock to be starting for the West in Orlando should he continue this level of play. Meanwhile, Pau Gasol slid nicely into a supporting role, and the rest of the Lakers' role players filled in the gaps. Of course, we can poke plenty of holes into that tidy picture, which otherwise describes a championship contending team, and indicate where the Lakers need to go to get to that juncture.

Yours truly was fortunate enough to attend the game, and bereft of my usual game-watching complements -- the invaluable Yahoo! Sports or ESPN box score, my Twitter timeline full of basketball peeps, television replay for things other than a Laker scoring, and of course, the SS&R game thread -- it was certainly a different, albeit still gratifying experience. Armed only then with my senses, a few cups of beer, and my very basketball savvy uncle, whose commentary and feedback made breaking down every play a joy, I present my impressions after the jump, as well as how the team can move forward:

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Above was my view of the game, which was generally great and makes me regretful that I left my camera in Princeton, or else I would have a photo library for this game. Next time I suppose. In any case, taking a leaf from wondah's book -- and reflecting how disorganized these thoughts are -- the following will be presented as bullet points:

  • Kobe Bryant's play was simultaneously baffling and amazing. It is a testament to the ridiculous things he has done in his career that we give a player this much leeway, but in the first half, it looked almost like another iteration of the Denver fiasco. He was hitting a few more of the jumpers that didn't go down in Denver, but his refusal to feed the post reached almost comic levels at a certain point. Bynum was trying hard to get post position, and in Brown's offense, rewarding Drew for dragging his 280 pound frame across the floor and getting in deep post position before the defense is set means you have to give him the ball. There was one particularly egregious instance where Bynum did the aforementioned and Kobe took a full four seconds dribbling on the wing before he entered the ball into the post, by which time Bynum had lost his rhythm and missed the short hook in the lane.
  • It's good then that he went off as he did in the second half or we would be lofting much of the same criticisms at him as we did last game. After Courtney Lee went out with an injury, Houston defended Kobe with a combination of Kevin Martin, Kyle Lowry, and Terrence Williams, and Kobe went to town from the high and mid-post areas, sinking fadeaway after fadeaway. Compared to the long jumpers he was clanking against Denver, these are the shots we want him to take, especially against a team without a standout wing defender with length (cough) Shane Battier (cough).
  • The lack of movement on his clearouts still bugs the heck out of me though. Set a back pick, have someone cut down the lane, do something to put pressure on the defense off the ball. This obviously isn't a new problem, but the ball watching looks especially bad in person. Hero ball is fun, but we've seen how it can kill a team far too much. This certainly isn't to say that Kobe shouldn't take advantage of wing defenders who can't handle him, as he did ably in the second half, but anything you can do to cause the defense headaches is a good thing.
  • As for Bynum, he really needs to be more decisive when he catches the ball. He expends a huge amount of effort to run down the floor, seal his man, and get in position to receive the ball, but takes an inordinate amount of time to get into his moves. It works since he's huge -- and this is only emphasized in person; dude is big. Samuel Dalembert is listed at 6'11''. Drew looked a full head taller than him. Jordan Hill looked positively Lilliputian next to him -- and can simply overpower his man to clear space for an easy hook shot in the lane, but it would save him a lot of trouble to catch and go into a jump hook or drop step going baseline. It's different of course when he catches the ball right under the rim with three defenders around him and is feeling the defense, but even there, he's so strong that when he goes up, he's going to draw fouls a lot of the time.
  • In the fourth quarter though, Drew was gassed. This certainly isn't a long-term problem, as his conditioning will come around, but he was much less assertive in getting position and looking for rebounds. If Matt Barnes hadn't given him an easy outlet for his final bucket, I don't think he could have gotten that 20/20. Once Drew gets up to speed, this is going to be hell of an offense. Trying to guard him without a set defense as he runs the floor and sets up shop in the deep post is really hard to stop, especially considering that you can count the players who can single cover him on one hand.
  • Oh, Pau Gasol. The memories of your beautiful left baby hook going baseline make this especially sad, but you probably should make the move to the high post a permanent one when Drew is on the floor. His jumper is money from 15-17 feet and there are very few fours who can offer a good contest at that spot, let alone be comfortable defending him there. Really, his jumper should be the foundation from which the rest of his offensive game should flow from the spot. There was a beautiful sequence in which he made a shot fake, Luis Scola bit on it and jumped, and Pau took it down the lane to the rim. Even when he faces up on the baseline or on the block, he's so long -- and like Drew, this is another thing you don't appreciate until you see him in person. Scola looked short besides him and his release is pretty high -- that his jumper is always a threat, and if the defender bites on that, try a running hook in the lane. Go with what works.
  • To be fair to Pau, I didn't see a lot of the cross screens out of Ettore Messina's playbook in which guards set picks to get bigs into good position. We had quite a few of them in previous games this season, so I either didn't notice them, or they simply weren't being used a whole lot here. We said before the season that this was one thing that could help Pau a lot since he wouldn't have to fight for post position, and it was weird to see it not being utilized.
  • On another matter, what happened to the heavy pick-and-roll usage? There was an inordinate amount of pounding the ball this game by all parties when we have a whole stable of bigs who are either capable roll men or can shoot the midrange jumper off it. In particular, it is a way to involve Kobe, Drew, and Pau through either a Kobe/Pau pick-and-roll in which Pau gets open for the 17 footer, Drew tries to claim post position, and Kobe has the option of either giving it to Pau for the jumper, throwing it down to Drew in the post, or shooting the open shot off the pick. Same thing with a Kobe/Drew pick-and-roll in which Drew can roll to the basket and Pau fills the space near the free throw line for the jumper. For a part of the San Antonio offense that was a big part of their identity, it was bizarre to see it not being used extensively.
  • Steve Blake continues his redemption campaign from last year, looking much, much more assertive on offense and actually providing real pressure against defenses off the dribble (!). Defenders actually laid off him quite a bit during the game, giving him open jumpers off the dribble, and if they ever do play him closer, all he has to do is call for a pick and get the offense humming. He might not get the starting job since Fisher is probably assured that until kingdom come, but he almost certainly will get the lion's share of the minutes, especially in crunch time, if he continues his current play. Besides Drew, we got quite a bit about Steve working on his game in the offseason and it shows. Well done.
  • On the other hand, Troy Murphy needs to be more assertive. His shot is rather flat, but it's accurate and he tends to be open quite a bit because of the attention paid to other options on the floor. This might be part of the Blake-syndrome from last year of a guy trying to fit in with his new teammates, but he really should take those open midrange jumpers when they get open since that's his role on offense. He also tries to fight for post position strangely given that he's not a threat there and should be setting picks for cutters and filling up the open spaces on the floor for his midrange game as Pau has gotten increasingly good at doing this year. On defense, he's about as bad as advertised and ball watches a lot for a guy with such a good history of rebounding, but Brown is at least getting good effort from him, which is all we can ask.
  • Jason Kapono, never, ever pass the ball again. Between his brain dead pass to Blake in the second quarter that led to a turnover and his inability to throw a good entry pass -- can we please, pretty please get a backup two guard who can do so? -- he is the quintessential shooting specialist. Either shoot it if you're open or give it up. He did have one instance in which he nailed an open jumper using the space he got off a pick, so that might be one possibility of expanding his role a little, as his jumper is truly picture-perfect.
  • Just as Pau and Drew look taller in person, Metta World Peace is broad. If anything, this is one aspect of his post success, as he occupies a lot of space on the block, and his defender simply can't get around his bulk to contest his shot. Moreover, he's decisive and knows what he's doing when he gets the ball in deep post position, often for hook shots or running layups in the lane. Against backup wings, he's a pretty overwhelming force in that spot. He also seems to be more in tune with the offense than I have ever seen him in a Laker uniform. His crisp pass to Blake in the corner off the dribble to close out the half was just solid court vision. Many thought, yours truly included, that the notion that MWP would be a leader and focal point of the bench unit was pretty far out, but this is another good move by Mike Brown. Kudos.
  • And the crowd loves it too. Any call from Lawrence Tanter of "Metta...World...Peace" was met with jubilation, which is saying something, considering that the only other times the crowd got into the game were for: 1) Kobe's dissection of Houston's wing defenders in the fourth; 2) Bynum securing his first 20/20 game on a dunk; 3) the taco chants, and Kevin McHale clearly was trying to troll the crowd by attempting to get over the century mark.
  • Darius Morris finally dressed for a game due to Josh McRoberts' injury but saw no floor time. Indeed, Brown went with a nine man rotation, and Devin Ebanks, Andrew Goudelock, and Morris were all nailed to the bench. Given how well Blake was playing -- and Fisher was playing respectably well by his standards -- it's understandable, but for a guy who is playing with rotations to see what works, you would think Brown would have given Morris some token PT to get his feet wet, especially since it was his birthday. That in particular earned a nice embarrassed reaction from Morris when he was displayed on the board for the crowd. Moreover, Morris might be the first person in a Laker uniform whom I am actually older than. Yay!
  • As for the defense, it was harder to get a read on since my spot didn't give me a good sense of the depth on the floor, which is obviously easier to see on a television screen, but it seemed again that the help defense was not as strong as it was in previous games and the pick-and-roll coverage was off in many cases, such as bigs hedging to the wrong side and similar. Kobe also continues his maddening inability to stay close to his man, giving Chase Budinger ample space to nail a number of jumpers from the corner. It's just inexplicable. Kobe isn't Dwyane Wade at this point in his career and doesn't have the athleticism to cover enough space to recover. Just stay next to the shooter, deny him the ball, and you don't have to expend that much energy on defense while also not hurting your team in the process. Sheesh.
  • I've vacillated one way and another on what to do with the Lamar Odom TPE -- and by the way, Odom's PER: 1.84. I'm still upset we couldn't him for something tangible, and thought that he was going to decline from his career year last year, but damn, didn't think he would turn into a twelfth man -- and there are basically two lines of thought I've focused on that became visible during the game. One is converting it into the best talent available such as Anderson Varejao, who is a stud defensive big, knows Brown's system, and would provide a rock solid big man rotation. This also makes Josh McRoberts expendable, and if Indy was nearly able to turn McBobs into O.J. Mayo, that opens up an interesting set of possibilities. I think the defense will definitely get better as the year goes on, but Varejao would really make it rock solid, Dwight Howard or no. On the flip side, you can try for a guard who can handle the ball, as Kapono's limitations in that regard have been more or less exposed. If you can get say Kirk Hinrich, who is an able wing defender, can shoot and run the pick-and-roll, that's another solidifying of the rotation.
  • Altogether though, the Lakers have looked pretty good so far this year, kinks on both sides of the floor aside. Brown simply has to figure out what works and turn this group into a more cohesive unit on both ends and that will come as the season progresses, they gain more familiarity with his system and everyone learns what their spots and roles are. That noted, it's easier to see the rationale for the Chris Paul trade after a game like this, as a game manager of Paul's caliber puts people in positions to succeed, and the synergy he would have developed with Drew would have been something to see. Certainly, the team doesn't need a Chris Paul to figure things out, but he would have sped up that process, aside from him and Kobe figuring out how to share the same backcourt. As we have constantly harped on, another perimeter creator would be a nice finishing touch on what appears to be a solid squad, but for the moment, this Laker team definitely has the potential to go a long way.
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I love seeing Bynum play with a chip...

on his shoulder. Its clear he is sending a message about his place as Lakers center. I’d be pissed too with all this Dwight Howard talk.
Ben, well written as always.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Jan 4, 2012 4:37 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Ha! I just noticed the jab at Lamar.

12th man. Maybe he thought that in order to repeat as 6th man he needed to multiply by two.
That being said, a sub-2 PER won’t last long. Odom won’t be as complete as last season, but he’ll,step up as Dallas settles in and figures out their chemistry and scheme.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Jan 4, 2012 4:43 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

I was confused by this at first, then remembered the ASG is in Orlando this year... duh!
yet also a demonstration from Andrew Bynum why he clearly is at least the second best center in the league and a virtual lock to be starting for the West in Orlando

"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson

by lakerdynasty on Jan 4, 2012 4:58 PM PST reply actions  

Solid points.

Tollers gonna troll

Kevin McHale clearly was trying to troll the crowd by attempting to get over the century mark.

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Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Jan 4, 2012 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

Good post. Touched on some key points.

Bynum needs to stop playing in a phone booth. Pau too.
Kobe does leave his man too much. Waaaay too much.
And we don’t have the personnel on the floor enough, to quickly get down court and feed the post early! That’s why I want to see the quick youngsters get out and run the floor, feed the post early and build a lead.
Kupchak won’t use the TPE. He explained why, to John Ireland and it unfortunately made since. Has to do with needed flexibility and the fact, the league is punishing over-the-cap teams when they make certain moves. Darren W. & Dwight are the targets now. Jim Buss thinks by AllStar break, Orlando will want less cause Bynum will be better. Big Gamble…..

by look closer on Jan 4, 2012 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

do you have a link for that conversation between mitch and ireland?

"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson

by lakerdynasty on Jan 4, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, aren't you 20?
Armed only then with my senses, a few cups of beer, and my very basketball savvy uncle

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 4, 2012 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

21.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 4, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

welcome to the legal club

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

good stuff by the way.

I was at the game as well, but like you, I only had my camera phone. I thought the crowd was very quiet for the most part. They are not a rowdy crowd in general, but I found it to be almost eerily subdued.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 4, 2012 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

I've been to several games....

and IMO it seems like the atmosphere changed when they switched the lighting. They made it so the stands are much darker than the floor, which almost gives it a feel of being at a play or musical.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

true.

It does seem to be a better way to watch though.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the way Blake is playing right now

And I have no issue with him getting the crunch time minutes if he continues to shoot like this. I think Brown is just going to play whichever PG is having the better game during crunch time. If Blake is shooting better and playing better as he has been, he’s going to get the bulk of the minutes. Same goes for Fisher if he has a good shooting stroke during any particular game.

I really want to see Goudelock rather than Kapono get the majority of the minutes as Kobe’s backup. As for LO, he won’t keep playing this bad. He’s way too good for a PER under 2. At least, he’d better not, because I have him on fantasy.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 4, 2012 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

I want either Glock or Ebanks to take that role.

Let’s see if Ebanks can space the floor, and if he can be more assertive when he gets playing time.

by weak sauce on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

If anyone is interested, the link below is to my revised "NBA team efficiency ratings" through 1-3-12

here

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 4, 2012 6:21 PM PST reply actions  

Dwight has a 28/20 tonight

This should go on all season. Bynum does something, Dwight does something. And vice-versa.

by Robert Horry on Jan 4, 2012 6:59 PM PST reply actions  

January 20

Dwight versus Andrew in Orlando. I wonder what would happen if Bynum actually outperforms Howard on that night. Even though there really isn’t a question who is the better player.

"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy

by Mister Larry on Jan 4, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree,

by the end of the season Dwight AND Drew would be averaging 40 and 25.

This can happen right? Please?

by Aethereal on Jan 4, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

thing is...

for me? i love bynum man, he’s finally showing some potential to be a great one but….

centers like howard come once in a decade, and having an opportunity to grab him…you have to do it. bynum is in beast mode right now, and, im going to catch hell for this, but, now would be the best time to trade for howard. these 2 guys have had some good battles, but howard is a whole other animal, the lakers would be dumb not to still go after dwight.

dwight would be more attractive to free agents more than bynum i think. hell, who knows, if the lakers did get D12, you never know, someone like deron williams, might want to follow. these are just my opinions soo…please put the tomatoes down!! lol.

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

With an aging Kobe...

Bynum is the far superior piece to build around for the future. Dwight doesn’t demand the ball enough, and usually gets his shots on rebounds or afterthoughts.

by rshinsec on Jan 5, 2012 5:58 AM PST up reply actions  

But Kobe is gonna be around for atleast another 5 years.

(barring any major injury)
and he is never going to release that top dog role. thats just kobe.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Dwight demands the ball all the time

but is working in an offense where the guys are to try to do things without him occasionally. everything still revolves around him

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

An addendum on the Gasol points though:

If he’s going to play that role and fill the space in the high post while Bynum works low…why not try for Love, when he’s even better than Pau there? Makes a lot of sense that the FO was trying for a Gasol/Love swap (according to Vescey at least) after the Paul trade broke down. Maybe if Love doesn’t sign an extension — not going to speculate on that, although Rubio looks like the real deal — they might get scared about losing him, but it’s an interesting question either way..

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To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

Whoa.

Pau for Love? Is there even a possibility of this? I can see the Gasol-Rubio Spanish connection, but I find it hard to believe even KAHN would like any Pau-centered package the Lakers offer. Of course, if Vecsey’s report is correct and the Wolves somehow don’t offer Love a contract by the 15th, things could get really interesting really fast.

"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy

by Mister Larry on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

just to clarify

Do you think that Love (I haven’t seen him play) has a better midrange game or shot than Pau? I’m only asking because I only see Love’s stats but haven’t seen him play at all to know enough about him.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If you are talking about the shooting ability of Love,

Not only can he drain the mid-range shot, he shoots the 3 ball at a higher percentage and at a higher rate than anyone on our team thus far this season. He even beats out our 3 point specialists. I know its a small sample size (5 games, 44% from 3, 2.2 makes per game), but his 3 ball has consistently (and insanely quickly) improved year after year, with him making 41.7% last year so this years shooting is no fluke.

Love’s 3 point shot over the years
Rookie Year: 10.5%
Sophomore: 33.0%
3rd Year : 41.7%
4th Year : 44%

by neokoros on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you

that is a great explanation and appreciate the breakdown. It painted a better picture of what I wanted to know.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 5, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

KLove

Has little post game but has hustle and a nice shot from mid-range and the 3

by Skives47 on Jan 4, 2012 11:48 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

thnx..

That is one of the things that I wondered about. His post game. Had no idea he could hit the three.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 5, 2012 6:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Pau's much better right now

last season he shot 48% from midrange.

Love shot 35%.

by shawism on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah...that is a huge difference.

thnx SF3. : )

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 5, 2012 6:28 AM PST up reply actions  

btw..I just seen some hightlights from Rubio

damn! He looks solid. I think that it was Brandon Jennings who played against Rubio overseas and he said he was better than Rubio….NOT! Jennings is a score first PG but Rubio is obviously more of a traditional pg. I’m not sure if it was the highlights but Rubio, I thought would be scrawny but he is far from it.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Jennings has an big ego

When he says he is better than anyone, I take it with a pound of salt

by neokoros on Jan 4, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

lol @ "pound of salt"

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 5, 2012 6:35 AM PST up reply actions  

ummm

let rubio have the keys to the greatly offensively inept Bucks and see if that’s the case with how they look

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Trading Pau for either Scola or Love would be our best bet.

Pau get paid way too much to be a 3rd fiddle in LA. If we could flop Pau, along with a young guy (Ebanks, Morris, Glock) & possibly a pick for Scola, Lowry & one of their young guys, I think I would do it. You essentially get the same offensive player in Scola, plus a huge upgrade at PG. I doubt Hou wants to split with Lowry, but its an option.

The Love, Ridnour, backup C trade for Pau is also enticing.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I know Lowry doing pretty well right now, and that many consider him to be the best defensive PG in the NBA,

but what’s his ceiling? Does he still have upside? Can he be an elite PG (top 5 status) in the NBA?

by weak sauce on Jan 5, 2012 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

If he continues to play like he has in the first couple weeks,

he is already a top 5 pg. i think he is averaging above 10 assists a game. and can stroke it when he needs to. he would be an awesome pg to have. his current play is probably his ceiling though. but even then, hes an elite pg.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a toss up for me.

Scola will be a nice compliment to Bynum because he can knock down the midrange at a higher level. Love can too as well as knock down the 3 and he is younger than Scola. And I think Houston will not trade Lowry. They’re very high on him.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess.

But if I remember correctly in the vetoed trade the Hornets asks for Lowry and Houston refused to include him in the trade.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 5, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

but we dont want scola, martin, lowry, dragic & a pick, lol

just scola & lowry….. and maybe Patterson

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

just looked it up.

Its only been 6 games, but he is averaging 15.3 points, 6.2 rebounds & 10 assists per game. 38% from 3. 92% from the FT line. 2 steals a game. The only thing that sticks out as bad, is hid 3.2 TO’s a game.

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by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

interesting...

but my question is, what if, and im not trying to jinx nobody here, but what “if” ( pls god no), bynum does go down with some type of injury this season, and you just traded gasol for love…then what? the lakers have no backup.

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 PM PST reply actions  

If Bynum goes down with a season ending injury this season while he is on the Lakers

It doesn’t matter if we have Gasol, Love, or Ghandi at PF, we ain’t winning the championship

by neokoros on Jan 4, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

you sure?

Ghandi made a few all-defense teams not too long ago.

by shawism on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not make Ebanks the back-up 2 instead of Kapono.

At least he’s a better defender and he improved a lot on his offensive game. Wasn’t he told on his exit interview last season to work on his ball handling skills because he’ll be used as a back-up 2?

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 4, 2012 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

68 points?

or shots?

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand that.

Just hoping Brown will find minutes for Ebanks because I don’t like Kapono’s defense at all.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 5, 2012 3:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Great stuff. Just a couple comments and a lot of questions and putting the Howard trade wishes aside

Something that I am wondering about. Since the post Shaq era, no player, not even Gasol, that has teamed up with Kobe, has showed the glimpses of offensive game that Bynum has. Now, I’m not talking about the type of offensive game to pair up with Kobe either. I’m referring to the type of offensive game that can overshadow Kobe’s game. I’m talking about the type of offensive game that can actually seem not only more appealing but more beneficial to the team. Regardless of Kobe’s game good or bad, I am wondering, if at some point in the near future, Bynum’s game is going to force coaches to see that Bynum being the focal point in the offense gives the Lakers the best shot at a title. Bynum’s game is doing things that are speaking louder than words.

We all know that as long as Kobe is on this team he will always be the focal point of the offense. As he stated before, he “eats first.” then Pau, then Bynum. My only question is, how much longer will that hierarchy exist and in that order? Bynum has clearly pushed Pau to the side in that aspect and he is also a young kid who up to this point, although has been vocal about wanting more touches, has never stepped on Kobe’s toes to make those comments.

That just leaves me wondering, in order to win the title, with Bynum playing the way he has, are the Lakers’ chances at another title better with Bynum as the one who eats first? What is the identity that this team will take on as the playoffs come along and lets say that Bynum makes a strong case that the Lakers are better with him being the top dog and not just offensively but defensively and while posting 20 rebound games. Are we there yet, is it now that we are realizing that we don’t have to wait anymore or is the sample size of games to small to say that now?

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

Should probably wait until Bynum can breathe in the fourth quarter

before we speculate on his dominance in the playoffs

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by Marty Mart on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

never seen Kobe actively help Bynum until last game

i’m liking that Combo, i’m sure Kobe doesnt want to get to excited either knowing Bynum’s track record for health, but if he keeps this up, there’s no way the big man wont get his due.

by LakeredXII on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that is why I was saying in the near future. If he is performaning at this level without

being in condition, imagine when he does get in mid season form?

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you JB

how awesome its been seeing bynum get better year after year, and the fact that he loves to learn, i can see him developing new moves every year like Kobe does, i honestly think if anyone has benefited from having Coach Brown it’s Bynum. Midseason! owwwweeeeeee!!!!
not saying i said this, but just after 2 games you can already see the team starting to Gel with Bynum, and if we get a PG that can just break through defenses like we’ve been asking i’m like our chances.

by LakeredXII on Jan 4, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Blake to. He just seems more comfortable in the offense that Brown has set up. I really can’t wait for Bynum and the type of game is going to have down the line.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm, idk what Bynum's midseason form is

he always comes in at midseason and leaves in the playoffs

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, I said his mid-season form is injury so we shouldn't hope for that.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm thinking the sample size is too small to tell right now...

Let’s see if Bynum can produce this effort consistently before and after the ASG, and more importantly, stay healthy. If he does, then I think he has a strong case to be the focal point of the offense.

Also, we’d have to see how Bynum handles defenses that are geared up and planned around stopping him. If he can dominate regardless of defensive schemes meant to stop him, then I think he would definitely become the focal point.

But just like Shaq, Drew is going to need a Kobe to make his game better… and lucky for us, we do have a Kobe in what’s his face? That number 24 kid…? Oh yeah, Kobe Bryant.

Remember before we picked up Gasol, Bynum and Kobe were beasting all the way up until the ASG in ’08? I think the Lakers were on top of the West at that point even without Gasol. I love the notion of Gasol being our 3rd option after Drew and Kobe.

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by lakerdynasty on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

All good points

Especially:

Also, we’d have to see how Bynum handles defenses that are geared up and planned around stopping him. If he can dominate regardless of defensive schemes meant to stop him, then I think he would definitely become the focal point.

I had not thought about that.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks!

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by lakerdynasty on Jan 4, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

If theres one laker who should b hoping Drew continues his beast mode dominance its Kobe. His life will become much easier once that happens and hopefully we will get some consistent 3pt shooting to make teams pay. It also makes the need for a slasher that much more important. I would love for Ari err Ebanks to jump into that role

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by EmmCeee on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He is benefiting now. I completely agree.

I really hope the Lakers’ 3pt shooting gets better with Bynum going crazy in the paint. Blake seems to be coming around and Kapono seems good but he is horrible with the ball in his hands on the perimeter if he isn’t able to get his shot up.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Defenses won't be skewed for Bynum for quite a bit.

they have to commit a double someplace, they’ll do it to make Kobe’s life miserable more than Bynum’s.

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's get Trevor Ariza back

Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"

by hrghori on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

for what?

I like Barnes enough.

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by madmaxx350 on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

he could play the backup SG

instead of Kapono

Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"

by hrghori on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Why not just played Ebanks then?

They pretty much play the same and Ebanks is cheaper and I think a better mid range shooter.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 5, 2012 3:13 AM PST up reply actions  

We have wayy to many 3's

We can add quality depth to any position but the 3

by neokoros on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

why?

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Pau and Drew's P&R Defense

I’ve noticed that Pau is a better hard/strong hedge than Drew on P&R’s. He’ll hedge hard and either force the guard to the other side or go all the way around his outstretched arms. If Drew rotates to cover the roll man, Pau moves fast enough to recover and pick up Drew’s man.

In contrast, Drew doesn’t hedge at all. He actually reminds of of Shaq’s shit P&R defense, where he doesn’t hedge at all leaving him around the FT/Elbow extended line completely vulnerable to a drive-by or long distance shot. Of course, he’s better than Pau at 1 on 1 stationary defense, but holy crap is his P&R defense bad.

As an aside, no one will read this because it’s too late and the next SS&R credits list is coming up, but oh well. When inspiration strikes. =)

by Robert Horry on Jan 5, 2012 12:37 AM PST reply actions  

Sweet screen name

Shaq’s P&R D was horrible. Maybe i’m off but somehow my memory of Shaq and his P&R D brings back horrible memories. I seriously doubt that Shaq even attempted to make it look like he cared.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 5, 2012 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

a lot of folks come back and read the new comments on each post.

I agree with this at times though. Bynum is slower than Pau though so it makes sense. Him covering the roll man and the guy getting screened has to work harder to get through. he’s just slow on defense and can’t do both. I think him covering the rim and roll man is still better than him getting stuck on the ball handler like when he kept getting stuck on CP3 in the playoffs last year

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice write-up Ben

Thanks for tempering the jabs on the old man.

Lets see what this team looks like after the trade deadline, but I only see the one main issue you mentioned. The PG who can defend and dibble penetrate.

by SkyHooker on Jan 5, 2012 5:33 AM PST reply actions  

The PG who can defend and dibble penetrate.

I hope Brown will try Morris sometime in the near future. He’s a 6’5 pg that can dribble penetrate and I think he can defend decently.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

i really dont see him getting any PT,

until we have a blow out game. And even that is an IF, because he may not be active once McRoberts gets back.

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by LakersFoEva on Jan 5, 2012 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

I’m just really impressed by his play in the preseason and hoping that Brown would at least try him. If there is a blow out game and Morris is active, Brown better play. Just want to see the kid play.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 5, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I really respect Gasol

This is a guy who would still be the #1 option on 10-15 teams in the league. Not only has he slid into the #3 role easily but he’s also GREATLY increased his defensive intensity and is playing like a guy who wants to make an all-defense team.

I wish he didn’t have the basketball grip strength of a ten year old girl (how and why did this happen????) but I love everything else about Gasol’s game and attitude right now.

by Archon on Jan 5, 2012 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

Gasol could be the #1 option on 10-15 teams in the league, but those teams

wouldn’t be great teams imo. first round fodder without another dynamic player

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more, if Gasol is your best player I don't even think your a playoff team

That doesn’t change that fact that a respectable team with a respectable franchise like Houston was prepared to trade ALL of their tradable assets to get Gasol, even after his playoff flameout. My overall point was the Lakers not only tried to trade him but are now asking him to play a role that’s beneath what his perceived value would be with most teams, and he’s handled it in stride.

I’m not saying we should build him a statue the man is being paid almost 20 mil a year to be a professional. I’m just saying a lot of other players would be mailing it in effort wise in this situation or asking for a trade.

by Archon on Jan 5, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I wasn't saying you were overvaluing him

I was just saying that those teams would not be very good with him as their best player. If he goes back to posting up more and using more post moves then he can get them to the playoffs. as this mid-range shooting big, they won’t be doing anything near playoffs. It’ll be Love syndrome all over again

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Gasol is miscast as a power forward

He just doesn’t have the lower body strength to prevent power forwards from taking him off his spots, or the speed to beat them off the dribble. If I were advising him I’d tell him to drop 15 pounds and go back to being a playmaking, highly skilled finesse center that he was from 02-07.

Of course the Lakers don’t need that type of player anymore so that’s why I wouldn’t be opposed as a fan of trading Gasol to maximize his talent and the team’s potential.

by Archon on Jan 5, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so

He’s just an older type of PF. Love is the upgraded newer version. Rebounding and stretch the floor shooting whereas Pau, Bosh, Dirk, and guys like Boozer are more old school types that play in the mid-range/low-post area with fadeaways, fallaways, hooks, and post fakes.

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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with all that except for including Dirk

I think Dirk is the ultimate mixture of old school post and new school stretch…He kinda went outside in lol better late than never

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by EmmCeee on Jan 5, 2012 6:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

That's true

lol. I kinda focused on now since he mainly works out of the mid-range post area for his points, although he has the ability to hit the 3 as well. I agree that his career has shown a lot of mixing of the two styles

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by Marty Mart on Jan 5, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

No E-Banks?

Is he in Brown’s doghouse? He was playing well in the first several games. Don’t know why Barnes is starting over him.

The Lakers will hold Odom’s TPE for salary/luxury tax savings. Same thing they did with Sasha’s TPE. Do not expect a trade in the near future.

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