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The Lakers began a rough stretch of road games with an embarassing loss to a reeling Bucks team. Coming into the game, the cards were stacked against the Bucks. Coming off a loss to the Chicago Bulls the night before, Stephen Jackson was suspended for foul language and not leaving the court in a timely manner. Earlier in the week, they lost their best player, Andrew Bogut, to a possible season ending ankle fracture. The team was reeling. The Lakers, on the other hand, were on the upswing after their emotional victory over the Clippers. Kobe Bryant proclaimed the team had found their identity. We had found the Pau Gasol that won two championships. We found Ron Artest from his Indiana days. The Lakers had controlled aggression, coupled with late game execution.

That all fell apart tonight. Mike Dunleavy and Drew Gooden carved up the Lakers Defense. Let that sink in for a second. "They were the aggressor and more physical than we were," seethed Kobe. "Force the issue," Pau continually repeated when asked what to take away from the game, uncertainty clearly in his voice. After just one game, the Lakers are back on their heels, confused and unsure of what's next.

Star-divide

The Lakers actually started the game off well in the first quarter. Kobe couldn't miss from the field. The bigs were getting close looks in the paint. Kobe threw up a couple lobs for Bynum, one that was blocked by the rim, and one he laid in. McRoberts put in a vicious putback dunk. The lead was up to as much as 6 before Kobe and Bynum headed to the bench. The Strong Corner Offense was giving the frontline early looks close to the basket without double teams, just as it was designed to. As soon as they hit the bench, the next few possessions would prove to be the turning point:

  • Goudelock Travel
  • Goudelock misses runner
  • Ebanks drives the ball and loses control and gives it up
  • Lakers run out the shot clock
  • Confusion on offense as Goudelock is forced to throw up a long contested jumper.
  • Gasol's hook shot bounces off the backboard, Lakers turn it over with a shotclock violation

The next thing you know, the Lakers just gave up a 17-0 run. In the meantime the Bucks bench went to work. The ball movement for the Bucks was crisp, they easily found players cutting into the paint, and they made high percentage shots. In just these few crucial minutes with Kobe on the bench, there was a 17 point swing. As we can see in the gameflow chart found here, that 17 point swing made all the difference.

Give up 17 points to a sound defensive team (even if they were missing Bogut) is recipe for a long night. Mbah a Moute is still one of the best defenders in the league. For the rest of the game, they made life tough for the Lakers bigs. Although they lacked size (as evidenced by the Lakers getting 16 offensive rebounds), they were active in the passing lanes. They forced timely turnovers. What made matters worse, the Bucks offense was unstoppable. Drew Gooden put on a clinic. (Drew Gooden? Who? The guy who did this?) He was draining jumpers. He would get Pau up in the air on the shot fake and drive in for easy layups. He finished with 23 points on 9-15 shooting. The Lakers managed to put together a 30 point third quarter with Kobe shooting 5-9, but let the Bucks score 29 points. In the fourth, the Lakers managed to get within 4, but let the Bucks score on the next three straight possessions. The Lakers defense let the Bucks shoot 50% for the game. For a team lacking their top two scoring weapons, this was unacceptable. Get this, the Bucks, losers of the last 6 games playing without Bogut, have snuck into the playoff picture in 8th, while the Lakers are now out in 9th place.

Lakers Player of the Game: Kobe Bryant 27pts 8reb 9assists


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tinkered with the trade machine...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7e79fwo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qsbfab

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7k3xxdy

none of them are blockbuster deals, but i think in all cases, we fill real needs/holes even if giving up arguably the best player in the trades.

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by hobojarpen on Jan 28, 2012 10:49 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

i'd only take the third one

kind of sad how trading for jamison and sessions for pau would give us 3 more wins

just a year ago pau was in mvp discussions

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by theshmoes on Jan 28, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Rockets wouldn't do the third one, though.

Kyle Lowry is absolutely beasting, and Houston is 4th in the West right now. Why mess with success?

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by 82-0 on Jan 29, 2012 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont get this

Get this, the Bucks, losers of the last 6 games playing without Bogut, are now in the playoff picture, while the Lakers are now out.

Dont we have identical records pretty much? 11 – 9 vs 10 – 9… How on earth are they in the playoff pick and we are out… We’re only one game behind Dallas, Portland and San Antonio…

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by Funkensteinn on Jan 28, 2012 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

and they're in 8th now

shows how weak the east is. by no means are we out, as in no chance of making the playoffs.

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by theshmoes on Jan 28, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

ohhhhhhhh shit i looked at memphis *face palm*

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by Funkensteinn on Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll trade you

Pau Gasol + the Magic Johnson statue + Derek Fisher’s intangibles for Brandon Jennings. Deal?

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Jan 28, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

for ur fantasy team?

that’d be a nice deal

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by Marty Mart on Jan 28, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

for my nightmare team

the real LAL

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Jan 28, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by Marty Mart on Jan 28, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Easy

they play in the Leastern Conference and we’re in the Wild West.

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by steffun4tw on Jan 28, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously WTF
Metta World Peace, 21mins,1-5 3PT FG%

At this point I’d rather see Luke Walton play, make 1 good pass, and go 0-4 from inside the arc.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Jan 28, 2012 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

How plausible of a trade is Pau+Bynum+Pieces for

Howard+Anderson+Nelson? Completely impossible, I take it?

by Aethereal on Jan 28, 2012 11:16 PM PST reply actions  

They won't trade away their top 2, possibly top 3 players for your top 2+ extra garbage.

Howard and Anderson are completely carrying their team, and Pau and Bynum would do no such thing. Magic won’t get someone of Howard’s value, but they have no reason to trade away Anderson while they are at it. Just as the Magic are getting somewhat desparate, the Lakers situation is getting worse and worse. Bynum’s strong start is slowly deteriorating, and Pau is simply proving that age is kicking in (or he is just being inconsistent for quite some time). On the other hand, Dwight is proving that he is still great and Anderson is proving that he is worth something.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 28, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Nelson has been struggling badly.

Blake has been better than him. We’d need to take back more salary anyway (Turkoglu) and I wouldn’t mind, we need the shooting/ scoring.

FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.

by deadmuse on Jan 28, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

lol :]

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by Kiorrik on Jan 28, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

this is awesome lol

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by jXn on Jan 29, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

How bout this trade?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88snecf

Lakers get: Howard, turkoglu, Scola & dragic

Magic get: Bynum, martin, Barnes, Dallas 1st round pick (from la) & Knicks 1st round pick (from hou)

Hou gets: Pau & redick

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by LakersFoEva on Jan 29, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes too much sense.

Never gonna happen…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

That trade is actually damn good

Makes too much sense tho lol

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by EmmCeee on Jan 29, 2012 11:09 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

You're making too much sense

This trade is invalid.

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by firstto100 on Jan 29, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

What.the.motherfuck.happened.tonight.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 PM PST reply actions  

Drew Gooden happened

Thats what…

by ap3604 on Jan 28, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Just be glad you didn't have to be around for the rest of the shit fest.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 28, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Lakers have 3 years left in Kobe’s prime

Not a chance in hell the screw it up being stupid and throwing throwing away core pieces…

Oh wait…

by ap3604 on Jan 28, 2012 11:51 PM PST reply actions  

Nice recap shmoes!

I think this is the first I’ve read from you and sadly it had to be on this game. Last game was nothing but a facade. Ron Artest got buried under his new soft alias and Pau went back to being, well, soft. Kobe had another one of those games that C.A. mentioned being one that everyone wants him to play, but the outcome was similar. We got our bigs flunking dunks and then playing crappy defense on players that we normally scoff at. Glock is making nice use of his minutes but the rest of the bench stinks so bad we can’t help but to smile at him. It would be nice to have Blake back asap to perhaps alleviate some of the pg duties we so miserably fail at. I do feel some changes are coming but honestly am not sure anymore if they’re going to ameliorate any of our problems. What’s really infuriating is that it’s not who we have on this team anymore, but rather who’s going to have any passion to play to win. Other than Kobe, no one “brings it” on a nightly basis. If one player steps, another two fade to black. If we played hard every single night and THEN lost, I could understand we need to make trades and act fast. But guys are just going through the motions and then half-ass their way through games. That’s not the attitude of a chip team. Far from it. This game, despite the 17-0 run and turnovers and terrible shooting, was still in reach. The defense that is normally there wasn’t anywhere in sight either. This team is a bit lost right now. I don’t know exactly how much blame goes on the coaching staff but these guys really need to reflect and get their shit together.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 29, 2012 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

steps up*

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 29, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said.
This game, despite the 17-0 run and turnovers and terrible shooting, was still in reach. The defense that is normally there wasn’t anywhere in sight either. This team is a bit lost right now. I don’t know exactly how much blame goes on the coaching staff but these guys really need to reflect and get their shit together.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
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by Zen and Tonic on Jan 29, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks!

I feel like Mike Brown has felt a lot of pressure from the media about the offense struggling and probably put more emphasis on trying to fix that, and in the meantime our defense has slipped. So now we’re out of sorts on both ends of the court.

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by theshmoes on Jan 29, 2012 7:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The photo of Pau in the post reminded me of the part in An American Werewolf in London where the guy turned into the wolf for the first time

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by mjtig on Jan 29, 2012 12:06 AM PST reply actions  

LOL would be nicer than turning into a Llama or Black Swan

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by jXn on Jan 29, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

psst easy

the dude on the left.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Per Roland Lazenby.
Starting to hear that Kupchak may be leaving the Lakers. Don’t know if it’s true, but if he did… well, there’s Jimmy by his lonesome.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 12:23 AM PST reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by LAL32 on Jan 29, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It's doubtful Lazenby is on the Laker insider speed dial, but we should have hung on to Ronnie Lester.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
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by Zen and Tonic on Jan 29, 2012 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Lazenby may like to hear himself talk, but he does still get some info right.

He says he’s only hearing talk, so this may come to nothing, but if I remember correctly, last season, he was the one talking about Jim Buss taking over.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Jimmy boy

With Jim Buss’ growing influence in the front office I cant say I would blame Mitch for wanting out if thats the case.

by LakerKev on Jan 29, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

sup lakerkev...

that would suck having kupchak leave…but heck with it, we can only hope mitch could persuade the “logo” to come back and right this battleship we call the lakers.

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

shit

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by lakergirl on Jan 29, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

In Mitch we trust!

It does look more and more like a shake-up is needed…along with a shift to some real veteran leadership. This team is salvageable-for this season.The current chemistry, especially on the road is not working. That used to be where the team came together. Change is comng…whether it is big change or a tweak, time will tell. Go Lakers!

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
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by Zen and Tonic on Jan 29, 2012 12:39 AM PST reply actions  

milestone game...
In tonight’s loss, Kobe Bryant became the LA Lakers franchise leader for free throws made & is 4 field goals shy of a franchise record!

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by imposibol on Jan 29, 2012 1:20 AM PST reply actions  

Its the Milestone curse!!

LOL, everytime this happens we lose!

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by BIGBO on Jan 29, 2012 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

What i'm afraid is.

If we don’t put up a good challenge for this season, it will be hard to attract All Star FA to come play with us as we’re a team in decline for now. For eg. DH12 could choose to join another team with more potential to win a championship.

by poker on Jan 29, 2012 1:59 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah but he knows that if he were on the Lakers,

We would be 5 times better than we are now

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by BIGBO on Jan 29, 2012 2:29 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s kind of annoying that everyone screams for Dwight every time we lose… When the real problem lies on the perimeter, not on the inside…

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by Paul Udani on Jan 29, 2012 2:31 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I love Bynum's game

I just hate that our Bigs dislike to dunk the ball while they are inside when they are getting fouled. They rather lay it up. I mean I yell at Pau and Drew, just dunk the FREAKING BALL and get that And 1. If we get D12, I know he is going to dunk it, and at least gives us a chance on the free throw line. Kareem could work with him, the way he worked wit Drew and over time his offense could be up top! Just make the damn trade happen already. I mean even if D12 goes some where else, we could turn our attention else where u know?

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by BIGBO on Jan 29, 2012 2:33 AM PST reply actions  

The problem is obvious, and very, very hard to fix.

It amazes me that no one on this board talks about this much, but here it is:

Anyone can see that these guys do not like each other. They don’t hate each other, but they have zero chemistry and you can see that for each of them except Kobe, whose work ethic borders on the psychotic, they are just professional men showing up for work every day, doing the job, and going home. They exhibit no joy in the game, or even much passion while playing it. They’re not a team.

Though it’s supposed to be “his team”—and he won’t allow it to be any other way—Kobe is so cold and unlikeable that although teammates may respond somewhat to his criticism and demands, he is not by any reasonable definition a leader. Being badgered and found lacking constantly is not leadership, it’s ultimately demoralizing…particularly when the supposed leader makes an exception to the “be a member of a team” thing whenever he feels like it and jacks 30 shots even if he misses the first 10 of them.

The Los Angeles Lakers are in big, big trouble, and it is not something that can be fixed with a locker room pep talk or a change in approach to coaching. They’re loaded with talent, so they’ll win quite a few games, but there’s no reason to believe they won’t collapse into mutual bickering and finger-pointing when the pressure of the playoffs rolls around, just as they did last year. There isn’t trust on this team, and damned little mutual affection.

And there is good reason for that: the requirements of the Lakers’ superstar severely limit the team’s ability to shape itself to be most effective, and now that he is getting older, he can’t make up the difference. One glaring example: why haven’t the Lakers had a potent point guard for more than a decade? Because the whole offense goes through Kobe, that’s why…and Kobe hogs the ball, so who needs a distributor?

Frankly, I think Lakers fans should be glad the Chris Paul deal didn’t go through, because those two guys would NOT have played well together.

The Lakers can blow up the team and bring in a bunch of new pieces to fit around Kobe, but the same dynamic will apply: whoever is on the Lakers will have to defer to the Iceman, who gets to follow a different set of rules. They’re going to resent that. If it turns out that it is a star like Dwight Howard, he’s going to wonder why the hell Kobe gets free rein to do whatever he likes when he’s the most dominant center in the game, and arguably a better overall player than Kobe at this point in his career.

If I were Howard, I wouldn’t want to play alongside Kobe. And I certainly wouldn’t want to play with Kobe and the dregs that would be left after Kobe’s and Howard’s salaries had sucked up every nickel under the cap.

At the end of the day, teams win championships. Even the 90s Bulls, dominated as they were by MJ, had a leader who could lead and who was willing to pass that final shot to someone else, even though he had a far higher rate of success in shooting game-winners than does Kobe Bryant. The combination of Kobe’s personality, the very odd mix of characters on the team and—I’ll say it—some of the too-slick-too-cool focus on looking good and hobnobbing with celebrities that being in LA brings has stirred up a brew that isn’t going to get better, honestly, until Kobe retires.

by Horkus on Jan 29, 2012 3:41 AM PST reply actions  

damn Clipper fans.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 29, 2012 4:09 AM PST up reply actions  

lol at this

clipper fan. you trolls would throw a parade (the only parade the clippers would ever have) if kobe was traded to the clippers tomorrow

by wavenstein on Jan 29, 2012 4:40 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Are you fucking stupid?

Wait ur post answers that

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by Funkensteinn on Jan 29, 2012 4:56 AM PST up reply actions  

No he isnt, but you seem so....

Look, I am as big a Lakers fan as anyone – have been my whole life – was born in LA in fact. Horkus makes a very valid point, something I have thought about many times. I love Kobe and his game is obviously awesome, but he really does have some entitlement issues. Dont want to make enemies right away, but you all should read the post again and tell me that you havent all thought this way one time or another? Kobe is not a team player and never has been, never will be.

by Hornbite on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, let's examine the conclusion provided by Horkus:
The combination of Kobe’s personality, the very odd mix of characters on the team and—I’ll say it—some of the too-slick-too-cool focus on looking good and hobnobbing with celebrities that being in LA brings has stirred up a brew that isn’t going to get better, honestly, until Kobe retires.
  • Kobe is not the most cuddly teammate. Fine. Yet his talent, drive, etc. are by far net positives, and the hardware is there to prove it (with a number of the same cast members currently on the team). So take him off the team via retirement (or by whatever mechanism), and where’s the spark — warm-and-fuzzy team player or otherwise — who puts this crew over the top? (I have a bunch of crickets. Here, have a few.)
  • L.A. . . . brew. Cecil B. DeMille’s been gone for some time, and the Lakers have won a number of championships in L.A. since then. If anything, you could argue that L.A.‘s media / celebrity opportunities and culture have helped attract key players who have helped bring the team championships.
  • Odd mix of characters. The pattern goes like this, in case anyone hasn’t noticed. Another superstar paired with Kobe is good for about half a decade of serious title contention upon formation of the tandem. This pattern invalidates all the B.S. stated above about what would’ve happened with CP3 or DHoward on board. A deal was done. It was vetoed. Stern feared the pattern would repeat itself to the detriment of . . . . . . . . don’t get me started on the notion of institutionalized distribution of wealth. Mike Brown’s still trying to figure it out. He’s in over his head (this is not forever-looking-up Cleveland, this is L.A.). We have no choice but to see if he can grow up on the job.

I am critical of Kobe like many true Lakers fans. But the facts, and historical environment and pattern of success, speak for themselves. Kobe is instrumental to these components, and said success.

Welcome to SSR, Hornbite. Unfortunately, all Horkus spewed was blather, and now you’re covered in it.

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by Koshu on Jan 29, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And stinkin' to high heaven.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

This, so much this:
I am critical of Kobe like many true Lakers fans. But the facts, and historical environment and pattern of success, speak for themselves. Kobe is instrumental to these components, and said success.

How people can act as if Kobe is a hindrance is insane to me. How can a team that is hindered by a player who controls 30%+ of an offense, and is incredibly instrumental outside of JUST his shooting, win 5 of 11 championships? There is no NBA team ever assembled that is good enough to be a dynasty when they have a player who is apparently a negative, and yet influences what happens on the court so much. You can say that Kobe isn’t as good as X, or that he could be better if X, but statements like Horkus’ that claim he is a detriment make no sense.

by Aethereal on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, he's helped win 5 of 7 in which he's played. The others were before his time.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, my post was vague.

I meant that from the 2000-2010 season (11 seasons, and so 11 championships) the Lakers won 5 championships, and Kobe was incredibly influential in each of them. That’s a damn high success rate.

by Aethereal on Jan 29, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm tired of this "Kobe's not a team player" crap!

He elevates his team, so who the heck cares!

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

A tender teaching moment.

"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach

"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

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by Koshu on Jan 29, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

"Muthafucka, the next time I pass you the ball, you'd betta make the fuckin' shot. Or you're going to Greece."

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @MNTimberwolves.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Kobe isn’t a leader? Sounds like you had a wild weekend. Cause drugs are the only explanation for that senseless page you just wrote

by drake m on Jan 29, 2012 5:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Uhh...

before we start calling this dude a Clipper fan, note that he isn’t a member of Clips Nation and didn’t even mention a team in his post.

And furthermore, weren’t there rumors that Dwight had a phone call with Kobe and came away very unimpressed, feeling like he wouldn’t get to be The Guy on the Lakers?

Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin

by 82-0 on Jan 29, 2012 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember he felt like he would be "the guy", but nothing about him being unimpressed...

If he really thought he was going to be the guy, he was delusional. This is Kobe’s team until he retires…

If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else

by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

*wouldn't

If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else

by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

The only reason I'd think he was is because

we’ve gotten more “trolling” from Clippers fans who’ve stuck up their nose about Kobe this year than any one else, and there’s a member from ClipsNation who basically admitted to making a different account to come bash the Lakers with.

by Aethereal on Jan 29, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't take this the wrong way,

I don’t have a problem with Clippers fans as a whole. That said, if there’s a trend with trolls on here this year, it’s that they’re generally Clips fans.

by Aethereal on Jan 29, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Its just a joke. AND anyone who posts these kind of comments deserves everything he has coming to him

but if you are saying this because you don’t want Clipper fans to be offended…oh well! I can’t help that.

we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl (January 28th, 2012)

by Jelly Bean on Jan 29, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

How do I say this politely...

Oh yes, “You are full of shit.”

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I don’t even know how to respond to his comment.

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 29, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

He seems to be fixated on Kobe. He mentions his name 13 times.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I blame his parents.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Nurture vs. nature?

What the hell is a horkus anyway?

"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach

"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

"make em eat your bubbles" - Cup Noodles

by Koshu on Jan 29, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Dr. Seuss wrote about them, didn't he?

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, yes!

My name is Horkus.
Horkus, not Sam.
I do not like the Lakers and who I am.

"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach

"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

"make em eat your bubbles" - Cup Noodles

by Koshu on Jan 29, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Twitter

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Jan 29, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @MNTimberwolves.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

While I don't believe myself to be an incredibly knowledgeable fan,

especially with the incredibly intelligent and analytical posters in this community, I can tell you that the notion that Kobe is bad for the Lakers is nonsensical. At least, from the 2000 season through to this current one. Who knows, maybe Kobe will start being terrilble from here on out. I kinda doubt it though.

by Aethereal on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

geez thnx for the compliment.

we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl (January 28th, 2012)

by Jelly Bean on Jan 29, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else

by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

LMAO

Nicely done first…

Twitter

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Jan 29, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

ladies and gents

THE POWER OF SHAW COMPELS YOU.. THE POWER OF SHAW COMPELS YOU.....

by imposibol on Jan 29, 2012 5:30 AM PST reply actions  

He needs a Clipper jersey on him...

If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else

by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 6:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Why exactly so?

I do not see the necessary link between the two, nor the need for such hostility.

by UC.Clipper on Jan 29, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going on the theory that the dude above was a Clips fan.

Which apparently is still in the theory phase…

If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else

by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

this....or what we say.

we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl (January 28th, 2012)

by Jelly Bean on Jan 29, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

There aren't words...

If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else

by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Clippers.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 29, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Micheal Jordan...

Greatest ever! In picking bad players….

"You said you was king, you lied through your teeth For that fuck your fillings, instead of getting crowned you're getting capped"
-Eminem
"Chris was simply the best I have ever seen. He would stay in the gym for hours, launching threes from everywhere inside halfcourt, in repetitions that spoke more of obsession than dedication. Chris practiced with fear, with a sort of cold sweated abandon, like he had been let out of hell to play ball one last time." -MATTHEW PIERCE

by Ray DLC on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

0_0

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 29, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Looking for positives:

the photo for this article would be great for the C-A-C.

"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach

"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

"make em eat your bubbles" - Cup Noodles

by Koshu on Jan 29, 2012 2:50 PM PST reply actions  


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