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by Rob Lo on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 AM PST
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Kobe was always playing the team game
it’s just the team finally woke up and got angry.
Agreed, the problem during Kobe's 40-point-streak wasn't primarily Kobe's ball-hogging, but Drew/Pau's reluctance to play aggressive, get in position, and get to the rim
Bynum beasted in scoring his first 3 or so games in the season, demanding the ball throughout the game early in the season. He got winded or sore or something after the first few games though, because after half-time of most games, he would hide most of the time on offense on the other side of the post away from the ball so that he had no chance of getting a pass (and he wasn’t looking for a pass, trying to get in position, or beat his defender back). The Lakers as a whole just got tired, especially because they had the most compacted schedule in the league through the first 15-20 games or so.
Today though, the whole team played with a fire. Kobe has no problem giving the ball up to this new (read: old) Pau, but he is hesitant to pass to the Pau we saw most of this season who just clanged 18 foot jumper after 18 foot jumper off the rim.
Have only watched three Lakers games...
but only in this last game did Gasol act like a power-forward. He is the best big man post player for the Lakers and when he is aggressive (posting up and driving to the rim) mixed in with that good jumper, then the Lakers are much more balanced on offense. Bynum’s has good post skills but he is just not quick enough with the doubles, so the best thing for that is having the defense worry about an aggressive Pau which will loosen things up for Bynum inside. Kobe in the post worked really well also—actually the second best post player for the Lakers. The three times he got it there in the third resulted in two drives to the rim and a set up Fisher for a wide open in rythym three.
One thing that did not make sense was in the half court offense with the lack of any post play with a lot of dribbling and jump shots in the last seven minutes or so (everything perimeter or driving for a tough shot)—to Kobe’s credit though, he got hot and was knocking most of them down. Kobe system is a nice fall back to have because when he gets locked in and in attack mode, it can be scary. he will get his points.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
You stay classy Los Angeles
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Wow, a nice Clipper fan.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 26, 2012 5:19 PM PST reply actions
Artest is the guy who finally showed up for our game vs. the Clippers this week
I hope he stays around
Hehe.
The Lakers don’t have a player named “Artest”.
But yeah, I like the current version of the L.A. rivalry, sans punches.
"Please tell me some of these stories about Los Angeles being the basketball capital of the world." - Red Auerbach
"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")
"make em eat your bubbles" - Cup Noodles
Your team really disappoints me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbDQII7PhW0&feature=player_embedded
This is just one game. They do it ALL game long Every single game. Ridiculous.
go back and watch
there might be 1 or 2 flops in there. Most of them, the Clippers actually get fouled, or don’t get fouled and aren’t trying to. The worst one is the Solomon Jones jumpball… how did he flop? Because he gave up his body to force a jumpball?
Griffin is a tad more noticeable.
Yeah, he does flop a couple of times, but the refs aren’t going to give him any calls if he doesn’t emphasize them. There is contact and he just makes the refs look at it. But if he is strong enough to the point where he shouldn’t go down easily on defense, how come half of the time on the offensive end he can barely get a shot off? It’s because he is hacked but they don’t call anything. He finds ways to get calls; also, the Lakers flop just as much. Fisher is a known flopper and Kobe does the thing where he shoots the ball and he flails his arms up in the air. I think we can agree that a lot of teams do flop, but if you want someone to blame, it is the refs for calling it. But seriously, how does this video prove anything? Half of the time the Clippers fall (like Jones and Foye) and you call that a flop?
I'm not gonna get into the specifics of Lakers vs. Clippers flopping, because we each have our own biases, but:
It’s because he is hacked but they don’t call anything.
Griffin gets tons of calls. I can give you statistics for how ridiculously often Griffin draws fouls.
I think we can agree that a lot of teams do flop, but if you want someone to blame, it is the refs for calling it.
This is a terrible attitude. If some one punched you, and never got arrested or fined or whatever, would you blame the guy who punched you or the police for not arresting or fining him? Doesn’t matter if it’s a Clipper, Laker, Celtic, Thunder, or whatever, flopping is shit and it’s shitty for the game. Refs are always going to be imperfect, that doesn’t make flopping okay.
I think that, as fans of basketball, you know you don’t like flopping, you’re just okay with it right now because it’s going your way. Wether a lot of teams do it or not, it’s shitty.
Sorry, but watch a Clippers game.
Sure, you can give me statistics on Griffin getting some calls, but there are a huge amount of fouls he doesn’t get on the offensive end. Most of the time, they give him the call if he misses it from 2 feet away, not to mention he does get some calls on the defensive end.
Also, that isn’t an ideal scenario that you posed. I won’t lie, I’m fine with getting the flop calls and the one sided calls that there will always be in games for obvious reasons. If you aren’t getting those calls, tough. On the other hand, I don’t like to see that much flopping because I suppose it does in fact make the game weaker. I still blame the refs, because they are the ones who decide to call it. If we didn’t get those flop calls, I wouldn’t be upset.
I'm not gonna get into another "debate with you"
because you’re being really biased. If you think the amount of calls Griffin gets relative to every one else is relevant, then you’re just being biased. Griffin gets more whistles blown than anybody not named Howard. There’s just no way he “gets hacked with no call”
You blame the refs for flopping because the calls go your way. Flopping is crappy for the game. It’s not the refs fault that they can’t see every place at every angle, it’s the players’ fault’s for manipulating an imperfect system to get unfair advantages in the game.
Sorry, off topic here but
You are sick too? I’ve been in bed the past day commenting on these sports blogs, lol.
Yeah, feel like I'm dying. My roommates caught me passed out sitting slumped against the couch-not on it, but slumped against it-this morning.
I’ve since been hiding in bed, haha
I woke up.
And it was just one of those, where am I moments and is it a dream? I slumped out of bed and toppled onto another bed and I felt like I blinked. That 1 hour blink was not worth it… Cool story, I know haha
You say I'm biased, but it doesn't seem like you watch Clipper games.
Let’s say Kobe hit 60 points and went to the line 15 times. Wouldn’t you still be annoyed if he deserved to go up there 30 times but he didn’t? Also, you really think he gets all star calls? No way does that happen sir. Watch a couple of Clipper games and tell me that he gets all star calls. Also, I think Durant gets even MORE calls than Dwight. The thing with Dwight, yes he gets calls, but when you are down there with big dudes and you are much more athletic than they are and you are a proven finisher, expect to be hacked, ESPECIALLY when your FT% isn’t stellar.
Also, if a player steps out of bounds and pretends like he was in bounds is it the fault of the player that they end up with the ball? Should a player apologize when he gets a “block” even though it gets all wrist? Players go out there with one mission, WIN THE GAME. One person’s strategy differs from another’s, but one thing is common between all players who lead their team, they will do almost anything to take home the W. I would rather see a player flop rather than playing dirty to win the game.
Gotta step in here.
Kobe gets hacked on a regular basis and doesn’t get to the line nearly as often as he should. And yet he still doesn’t flop to get a call. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you think it’s okay for Blake to flop just so he can get a call he otherwise wouldn’t get? If so, that’s ridiculous.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Bobcats
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by SoCalGal on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
BONG!
KOBE BEAN FOOKin BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I said it......He be DA best!!
Hey, you better talk to them," Bryant advised the Clippers’ Chauncey Billups. "You better tell them to leave Ron alone. Someone is going to get their ass knocked out in front of everybody."
When it was over, Bryant was so proud to say: "There’s a couple [expletives] in this league you don’t mess with – and Metta is one of them."
by Sarge Clemins on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Kobe.
Hurts himself at this point. I will admit it, Griffin has been a constant complainer, but recently (I think I can thank CP3 for this) he has been pretty silent. With his silence, the refs tend to give him more calls. Kobe on the other hand was, is, and will always be a heavy complainer. I agree, Kobe gets hit and he doesn’t get that many calls, but would you want to help out someone who is telling you to do your job for nearly the whole game? I wouldn’t. I think it is valid that Blake emphasizes the contact; you can’t argue that there is no contact on the plays, especially when most of the guys going at him are big, hefty PFs. I agree, maybe he does flop once in a while, but there is still always contact. He isn’t like Bosh against Boozer; there is always a push, a shove, or some sort of force applied to Blake. If you don’t want it to be called, don’t give the refs anything that they may call.
Bullshit.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Nuggets.
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Alright.
Then why doesn’t Kobe get a ton of calls? All I can think of is that refs hate him, and his complaining is the cause of that. If you are calling BS on the flops, sure Griffin flops a lot, but there is still contact which can be seen as a foul. Don’t do that if you don’t want to be called for the foul.
I don't think there's enough contact for a lot of the calls.
The Millsap one is a good example; The NBA rulebook says that minor contact is allowed. The contact was pretty minor to me. That’s not an offensive foul. I get that it was smart, but I’m saying, flopping sucks man. That play lost the Jazz a chance at the game. I dunno bout you, but I think it’s crap to lose a game based on a missed call-and that’s what flopping does.
Did you watch the whole game?
Because that game was full of touch fouls. I think the refs should be consistent; if you are going to let them play, but all means, don’t call that foul. But if you are going to call 5 fouls on Griffin and 2 or even 3 were merely touch fouls or minor contact, I would expect him to get the same calls.
Players doing something=/=It's a good thing. It's shit that flopping is in the game. Any fan of the NBA who isn't being biased can admit that.
And yeah, I think that, based on the fact that Griffin gets more calls than any one but the most physical player in the league, he does get all star calls. Screw watching Clippers games, where you will probably always think he doesn’t get calls, and I will probably always thinks he does-because people inherently are imperfect, and biased. You can tell me to “watch games” all you want, but unless you have a perfect memory of every play that Griffin was involved in where a whistle was blown or should have been blown, your point about watching him is invalid, because it’s selective.
On the other hand, here’s some numbers that aren’t selective, and aren’t biased. Obviously they don’t tell you exactly how accurate every call is, but I can pretty assuredly say that being on the upper end of this list means you get “All-Star” calls.
Drawn Foul , per 82 games:
Blake Griffin: 16.6
Derrick Rose: 12.3%
Kevin Love: 14.3%
Chris Bosh: 15.0%
Lebron James: 15.7%
Dwyane Wade: 12.6%
Pau Gasol: 9.3%
Kobe Bryant: 10.7%
Carmelo Anthony: 12.1%
Amar’e Stoudemire: 14.2%
Russell Westbrook: 12.4%
Kevin Durant: 13.2%
These are pretty “All-Star” names. I’ve acknowledged that Dwight gets more, and I’d bet that there’s one or two more physical inside players who get more.
LEbum Shames is high on the list too!
no way!
KOBE BEAN FOOKin BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I said it......He be DA best!!
Hey, you better talk to them," Bryant advised the Clippers’ Chauncey Billups. "You better tell them to leave Ron alone. Someone is going to get their ass knocked out in front of everybody."
When it was over, Bryant was so proud to say: "There’s a couple [expletives] in this league you don’t mess with – and Metta is one of them."
by Sarge Clemins on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
You still can't base everything on numbers.
Kobe is only shooting 28% from behind the arc this season. If I didn’t know who he was and I was solely basing him on stats, I would say that he should never shoot a 3 ball again this season. But I watch his games, and I think there are numerous times he should shoot the 3 pointer. So my point about watching him is invalid? Statistics don’t say it all; true, they are unbiased, but you have to watch the game in order to see what is happening. I haven’t missed any Clipper games yet, but if you watched even 1 you know that one of his moves is a spin move which leads him right to the basket. When he is shooting 50%, wouldn’t you send him to the line rather than giving him an easy dunk? Because every time he goes up there, he has the mindset of dunking it. When someone has THAT mindset, you foul him. On the defensive end, yes, he does flop every so often, but the game is full of imperfections. Do you honestly think that Kobe’s bail out pumpfake then jump into the defender is a great aspect of the game? I don’t. I think it is garbage. So before you start claiming that the Clipper’s star player is a flopper, think again. I didn’t even mention Kobe’s shot and then flail his arms around in the air to get the refs attention. Was there contact, yes. Would it have been called if Kobe didn’t make a fanfare out of it, probably not. That’s the same case with Griffin.
Alright.
We both made valid points. Honestly, I think you made much stronger points than me. If it was any other player, I would most likely agree with you. But hey, I have to defend my player? hahaha
LA Fans will always face hate.
Whether it be the Clippers or Lakers.
Clippers will be hated when they are a weak team, so they were hated a lot. They will also be hated if they become good for one reason or another. Not to mention all of Blake’s publicity makes him hated by many. (I think that is one reason in his declining to join the dunk contest, a ton of people were unhappy and it seems he became less popular with it).
Lakers will be hated because…. they are the Lakers. Kobe will be hated because he is Kobe. Nothing much to do haha.
You have got to be kidding me.
Clippers fans faced nothing but ridicule until December 9, 2011. Ask Bill Simmons, he’ll tell you. No one had any reason to hate them, only their owner. Even last year, people liked watching the team and felt good for their fans because Blake made them entertaining, and their fans weren’t a bunch of dickheads getting too big for their britches and claiming to be the new kings of Los Angeles after beating the Lakers in pre-season. I’ve been around since the Clippers moved to Los Angeles, so don’t start re-writing history, fella, it ain’t gonna fly.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Jazz.
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You wonder why Laker fans are hated?
Look at your post. You claim that we are “a bunch of dickheads.” I think that is a pretty bit statement there; and by hate I mean ridicule. Everyone made fun of us, gave us no respect, we weren’t even considered a team, and numerous people said we should be cut out of the league. To me, that is being hated by many people. So before you start going out and calling all these real Clipper fans names, think for a second that maybe you think it is ridicule and I think it is dislike and hate. It’s definitions is intense or passionate dislike, I’m pretty sure what I said qualifies as that.
Read my post again.
And ridicule does not equal hate, no matter what you think. I don’t wonder why Lakers fans are hated, nor do I care. I am one, have always been one, will always be one.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Jazz.
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Lakers fans aren't hated
Not real ones, bandwagonners are and the Lakers as a team are, same is starting to happen to us, people are starting to go to our blog to pick fights.
I do in fact think they were hated.
I am not going to start attacking Laker fans, because that would be picking a battle in enemy territory, but when people claim that the Clippers should be taken out of the league, the shows hate and ridicule. And please, do you think because I defend my player it means I am picking a fight? If you noticed, I jumped in here when you called Blake a flopper. Don’t act as if all Clipper fans are bad; you should know that there are a ton of bandwaggoner fans around this league. I have been a Clipper fan and I think I should be able to be happy when my team is good. For some reason, there are so many Laker fans who hate the Clippers and their whole fanbase. I think that the feel threatened by the Clippers and to me that makes no sense. Clippers have been bad for so long, and when the Lakers are a weak team for a year, they start becoming upset immediately. I don’t care if you are “used to winning,” teams change, the league changes, anything can change. And when there is finally some fight by the Clippers, you try to put us down? You call us floppers? You say we stole CP3? I’m not asking you to support the Clippers or support Clippers fans, I’m asking that you let us have our moment rather than complaining and attacking us. Have a good day, please don’t ruin ours.
I think there is a reason for it
I don’t think smart Laker fans are hated, the ‘hate’ to Laker fans is because you guys have attracted bandwagonners and lots of those seem to feel like they are entitled to every player. I read this blog frequently and everytime i read a Gasol fro Deron trade i feel like punching the screen of my computer, that’s what people dislike of some Laker fans that feeling that every team is their farm team. I don’t think anyone hates fans of any team, i think people hate the team.
I'd like to think I'm a pretty knowledgeable Lakers fan,
or at least somewhat. I’ve lived in the general area of the Knicks, Warriors, Kings, Celts, Lakers, 76ers, and Suns at some point in my life. Obviously, my experiences are anecdotal, but I’ve gotten a ridiculous amount of crap for being a Laker fan, including people asking who I root for, hearing it, and scoffing/laughing/cringing. Outside of LA, all any one wants to tell you is how stupid Lakers fans are, and how we’re entitled, and blahblahblah. At least in my, admittedly limited, experiences.
To be fair, the Celtics one is a given. Saying anything but “GO SOX/PATS/CELTS” while as drunk as possibleBeing a Lakers fan in MA was like asking to be shit on.
Fisher flops too much, but this is a bad example.
And either way, most Lakers fans acknowledge that Fisher flops. I really really can’t stand it. Same way I can’t stand Griffin. :/
Thanks for playing. Pick up your consolation prize on the way out.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Bobcats
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I was chanting "Beat LA" during that game
Thanks for the classiness.
UCLA Bruin. Psych major. Meaning I can basically read your mind.
by carlosatthetoe on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 AM PST reply actions
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