All Purpose Trade Scenarios Thread - ALL TRADES GO HERE
There have been a lot of trade scenarios bandied about since the season started, growing in the last couple of weeks as the Lakers have been struggling. Those scenarios have popped up in every thread we've had, be they front page or fan post. We've made an effort in the past to contain these ideas in one place, so for the immediate future, please post all your trade ideas here in the comments. All other fan posts regarding trades (and their comments) will be removed and the trade (without the comments) re-located to this thread.
Have fun!
NOTE: The TPE cannot be used to take in a salary bigger than the amount it is listed for ($8.9 million).
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LOL, didn't say they had to be good trades.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
He's 52.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Well forget it then...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We're giving up too much.
This is clearly better…
espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ar7daa
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ar7daa
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently Derrick is only worth 6 wins, LOL...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Derek Fisher makes the Trade Machine devalue all players named Derek (or Derrick)
Thats his Intangibles at work
by neokoros on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
dont be ridiculous.
this is more to my liking.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xj49dw
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Don't be silly -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82uq6ko
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I dare someone to beat this trade (while keeping it somewhat realistic)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85c7o3p
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I don't think that's realistic
with how well Anderson is playing I’d be surprised to see the Magic trade him and they end up PG-less….also don’t know if the Nets would take that…maybe if you out Ebanks in over Barnes but otherwise 2 players past their prime probably isn’t what they are looking for
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
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I said "somewhat realistic"
I just meant no Luke for Rose trades. Obviously this trade would never happen, but with a few tweaks it almost looks pretty fair… Still wouldn’t happen though…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think I can one up you, lol. (it certainly was fun to try)
the trade machine freaks out when i do 4 team trades, so ill just list it here:
Lakers get: Howard, Reddick, Anderson & Lowry
Magic get: Martin, Lopez, Dragic, Ebanks, Thabeet & 2 first round picks (1 from LA & 1 from Hou)
Nets get: Bynum, Scola & Morris
Rockets get: Pau & Williams
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Hmm...
You might have done it…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
i think it works for everybody except the magic
they kinda get burned in the deal, but thats why i added the 1st round picks. they would pretty much be rebuilding instead of reloading.
the lakers and rockets make out really well…..
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I like that and I also dont think it matters if the magic like it or not
as Dwight is walking for nothing in a few weeks if they dont move him.
"A better ending could not have been scripted. Of course, if we had won, that would have been better." -Bobby Bowden
by cerebralfish on Feb 24, 2012 5:57 AM PST up reply actions
Damn, a Dwight to Lakers deal which involves the Nets and the Houston Trio...... THAT ACTUALLY WORKS!
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 24, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
You see, Glock would increase Miami's wins, but that kid Kobe, he drags him down.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 24, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, he hasn't panned out for us at all.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Maybe we can still trade him back for Vlade
Vlade is only 43 years old, nine years younger than Magic and 29 years younger than Fisher.
Vlade – 1 HOF nomination > Kobe – 0 HOF nominations
DO IT
by neokoros on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No deal.
You’d need to sign Luther Head first then I’m on board.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 24, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
TROLL
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Luke just gets abused on these trade scenario threads
"I could never wear another uniform. I will always be a Yankee"- Jorge Posada
Thanks for the memories Jorge
This is a genius idea
Nice job
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Btw
Any chance we could send this page to Mitch when we’re done?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Kobe for Lebron
I wouldn’t even think about it. I would do it. : ) HELL I would do it for Wade.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
No
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No way for Wade
His style of play will hurt his longevity…..Kobe can shoot his fadeaways for years to come. It will be really interesting to see what Lebron looks like in his 30’s as his legs start to go. He has yet to develop a great offensive skill set and relies a ton on athleticism.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 24, 2012 6:06 AM PST up reply actions
I know the Lakers (or Jim Buss rather) do not want to trade both Bynum and Gasol for Howard but they may have no choice at this point. Its time for bold moves. If that deal is available then do it and make a run at Deron Willams this summer. If the Lakers have to take back Hedu Turkey glue then fine, take him and then amnesty his butt this summer. The Mavs will have cap space to sign both Howard and Willams this summer and we dont want those guys going to Dallas. Lakers better do something because now they have the Clippers to worry about as well which was never an issue in the past.
How exactly do we "make a run" at Deron
With nothing to trade for him?
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Summer
Sign him after clearing up all that cap space.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
No way we can clear enough space
Even if we have only 3 players on the team, Dwight, D.Will, and Kobe, We’d be over the cap, not to mention unmovable “assets” we have.
It would be impossible to clear that space.
We can’t eve get under the cap, nevermind 15 million under…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 6:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well
Bynum/Gasol’s contract is worth more than Howard/Turkoglu, and if we amnesty MWP and ship Luke Walton’s exp contract out, AND maybe fish retires, That would work, I think…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Actually I think we'd need to get rid of every single player except for Kobe Dwight and Turk...
We’re 18 mil. over the cap I think, and we need to be like 15 mil. under it… There’s just no way. I’m not just saying it’s not realistic, I’m saying it’s pretty much impossible…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Well I'm not entirely sure
I’m not very familiar with the rules of free agency, but hell if they can at least pull off a trade for Deron without trading both Pau/Bynum I think we’d be in pretty good position to land Dwight, or vice versa
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
The Lakers have $87 million in salary tied up next year.
To give Dwight a legitimate offer, they would need to have $43 million in salary tied up. Unless you want to amnesty Kobe, there is no chance in hell we go after any marquee free agent.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Yikes.
So… is there ANY chance at all we could get both of them?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
When it comes to trades, it doesn't matter how over the cap you are, you can still get the players
It’s FA where we are screwed
So if we have to blow up the team for Howard and Dwill
Hell, I am ALL for it. Trade away to your hearts content, mitch
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Kobe. 30million.
Lebron and Wade. 27-29 million. combined. We are screwed as far as cap space.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Lebron and Wade made that much last year combined, it increases every year.
The year Kobe makes 30 million, The Heat have 37.6 million in Lebron/Wade.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Which makes my point clear
2 young superstar players and one is arguably the best in the league will make just 7 million more than 1 Kobe Bryant. One 33,34 and 35 y.o. Kobe Bryant. All we have is 2 trade chips and hope we get bargain basement deals for old players…lol we.are.screwed.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The only clear point you have is that their core is younger
their replacement players are all pretty much the same age as ours, outside of the clear exception in Fisher
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Cole.Younger.Chalmers.younger.
Wade.younger.Bron.younger.Bosh.younger. Haslem.more productive.Younger than Murphy. Their center. young.
Ima make it even clearer. if Kobe’s salary was equal to lebrons we would b about 6-7 million over the cap instead of 18 million. Cross out Luke and Mwp then we’re under. Fish retires even more under. Cap room to actually sign better players..What a concept
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
so,
he’s just supposed to take a paycut so we can sign better players.
not very logical. would someone who had worked for a company for 16 years take a huge paycut so that the company could bring in some extra employeers to help with the workload. i dont think so. i know its not the same because players decline, but its pretty close.
im sure kobe’s next contract will be for much less, as he will be for sure declining and not able to carry the team by himself anymore. but he is still (for the most part) still able to put this team on his back.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Jan 26, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I didnt say he should take a paycut
Im saying his contract is a big reason we cant do anything as far as signing better players in the offseason. We wouldnt have had to settle for a Kapono when we could have gotten Crawford for example.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
The Heat had no cap advantage over the Lakers
We were both over the cap this offseason, so we both got the mini-MLE of $3m. We used it on McRoberts, they used it on Battier.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
Their Cap situation is ultimately better
2 players combined making a lil more than 1 is better any way u look at it. Especially considering the production from those players. If Kobe made less we could actually get under the cap and not hafta trade important pieces to improve the team. Like i said before, we could have gotten a Jamal Crawford or Nate Rob instead of a Kapono which would have been a HUGE upgrade and we wouldnt have a need for another backcourt scorer.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 7:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
If lebron made less
they could’ve signed Crawford and been even better when Wade goes out instead of having to rely on rookie guards who have been more or less inconsistent. In fact, Wade should’ve taken the paycut, he’s already missed almost 10 games and he was far less productive this season than last. then they could’ve gotten a HUGE upgrade at PG and a back-up SG as well. The same thing you’re saying about us, you can say about the Heat. Consistent star performance, wishy washy second player who ebbs and flows, and a third star who seems to have disappeared, in the Heat’s case Wade is actually injured but was performing below his averages prior to his leaving the lineup.
When you’re over the cap it does not matter how far over you are because you can’t sign anyone without using exceptions. The Heat are only 6 million dollars lower under the cap than we are. Next year, we will be more under the cap than them, depending on options and trades, etc. The Heat don’t have any trade chips outside of their big 3, but Miller but he’s an injury bug and his contract is far too long. Anthony is going on 30 and still unskilled at anything on offense. Chalmers is the upgraded and better shooting Toney Douglas. Norris Cole is a rookie. James Jones is a veteran shooter, Battier a veteran shooter/defender. their position over the cap is no better and won’t be any better while we’re in a better position to be able to get younger players with our older big guys and make moves for the future as well.
A much better example of a team with a good salary cap situation would be the thunder as they only have two max guys and then a couple other guys on long term contracts worth their weight. But even they will be having issues when it comes to resigning Ibaka or Harden because most of their money is tied into Westbrook/Durant/Perkins. No matter where you look, money tied up into players that pushes a team over the cap is a problem and it’s not more of a problem once you go over the cap. It really isn’t. No team over the cap signed Crawford. Robinson went to the Warriors and he’s making the vet’s min. we didn’t want to sign him, that’s why we didn’t sign him. Portland wouldn’t have even been able to sign Crawford had roy not been medically retired. No team has a good situation over the cap and that’s just how it is.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Lol
Huge upgrade over Chalmers who’s hittin 51% fg and 45% from 3? lol Which is better than ALL our pg’s and backups. Or Miller whos at 54% and 60% although in limited action. The rook is strugglin but he’s playing and developing. Had they struggled without Wade instead of going 8-1 your argument would be valid but they havent so it isnt.
It doesnt change the fact that 1 player making 30 million isnt better than 2 stars that make roughly the same amount. It also doesnt change the fact that if Kobe made the same, moves could b made to get under the cap in order to sign better players WITHOUT having to trade any big pieces of our team. Like i said before im all about whas best for the LAKERS. not any individual player.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 27, 2012 7:16 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I don't care what Kobe's making because once you're over the cap
you’re over the cap. And that’s what we were when Kobe signed his contract. No matter what Kobe made this year or in the future with both Bynum and Pau, unless he was getting Lamar’s money, something not even Wade did, we wouldn’t be under the cap and wouldn’t have any options to get under the cap. you can’t amnesty anyone until the start of next season and those expiring contracts are the only reason to look forward to the offseason because they can be used as trade throw-ins for teams looking for future cap relief as they are our own version of cap relief in the future as well. So, whether it’s 60 million n 3 players or 70 million in 3 players, both teams are in the same situation.
They haven’t struggled without Wade because bosh is shooting like 60+% in the last 10 games where he struggled more and their shooters are hitting shots more consistently. My point has nothing to do with current level of play of those guys because it was just last year that Chalmers couldn’t start over Mike Bibby and Mike Miller was talked about being. My only point regarding their rotation players is that they are about as old, but most of them have had time to gel as part of the team since last year and that benefitted them. Something we got with our players a couple years ago when we signed them, but now have to rekindle with new players
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Even if Kobe's salary were split over two players
we’re still in the same boat: both over the cap, both had the same mini-MLE.
Neither team is anywhere near being under the cap.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
Noooo...Kobes salary as 15 mil
Along with our other salaries would give us a chance to get under the cap by making other moves. Luke, Metta, Fish, Blake cut salaries would take us under. Not saying doin it now lol but offseason it could b done and sign a guy outright.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
How do you propose to cut 4 salaries with 1 amnesty exception?
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
Fish retire.. trade Luke and his expiring deal
Amnesty metta…Our biggest role player salaries gone.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
that could actually all happen by the trade dealine next year,
hopefully fish retires after this year.
if MWP continues to play this badly, i could see him getting the amnesty axe.
and luke could be a nice expiring contract to a team looking to create cap space for the next offseason.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
A concept that doesn't change the fact that the Heat will be in a similar situation in
a year as we are right now because that is how it goes when you have stars making money. Are you going to go to the Heat blog and then talk about how they should’ve done like the Thunder and signed only two stars instead of 3 to max contracts and talk about how if Lebron/Wade/Bosh had all agreed to take 5 million less that they would be able to sign more players than just the Miller, who’ll be even further into his 30s, and Chalmers/Cole.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Also, can't amnesty players unless they were on our team before the new CBA
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 8:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bynum + Gasol for Howard (+ Turk) isn't worth it
When people are coming up with tons of creative ways to get more back in return when we involve 3-4 teams. Bynum probably isn’t enough for Howard and Bynum + Gasol is too much, so if we involve a third team, we can get Howard + Turk + a solid starter (who is one notch below an All-Star).
I'd probably trade Gasol and Bynum for Howard, R. Anderson, and Turk
Turk starts as SF, Barnes becomes 6th man, takes away a bunch of minutes from Artest which is a win, and Anderson adds three pointing shooting.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'd definitely do that as well
But I think it might be asking too much of Orlando
Though no one really knows how much Orlando values R.Anderson so its possible
With Gasol they don't really need Anderson, so it should be mandatory they include him to replace Pau.
Plus we’re taking on Turk’s contract from them.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Ummm all purpose trade is anything involving Gasols disappearance
In a trade, I’d gladly approve
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by BrittneyM on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 AM PST via mobile reply actions
lol I don't disagree with this at all.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
lol
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Another 4 team trade w/ LAL, ORL, HOU & NJ
But a lot more realistic….
Lakers get: Howard, Turkoglu, Lowry & Morrow
Magic get: Bynum, Scola, Dragic, Thabeet, Ebanks
Rockets get: Gasol, Williams & D Morris
Nets get: Martin, Blake, M Morris, Dallas 1st round pick (from LA) & Knicks 1st round pick (from Hou)
Why for the Lakers: you finally get Howard & a serviceable pg. Yes, you have a huge hole at PF, but with Lowry, Kobe & Howard on the floor, does it really matter who the starting PF is? You also get a sharp shooter in Morrow to play backup minutes behind Kobe. You lose the next backup pg (after Fish retires) in Morris, but Fish should be able to help Glock turn into our backup pg of the future. Turkoglu is long enough to play spot time at the 4 against certain teams. So, Turkoglu, McRoberts, Caracter & Murphy can hold down the PF spot until Mitch goes out and uses the Odom TPE on a player like Varajoe or Blatche. And even if he doesnt, I think we would be okay.
starters: Lowry, Kobe, Barnes, Turkoglu, Howard
key bench players: Fish, Glock, Morrow, MWP, McRoberts, Murphy
Why for the Magic: you get some quality players for Howard and some young players to build for the future. A consolation package of Bynum & Scola isnt so bad when losing Howard & Turkoglu. You also get rid of Turkoglu’s contract that you have trying to pawn off on somebody for a while now. You also get a raw 7 footer in Thabeet, with a legit backup pg in dragic, & a young raw sf in ebanks to plug your hole at sf.
starters: Nelson, Reddick, J Richardson, Anderson, Bynum
key bench players: Dragic, Q Richardson, Ebanks, Davis, Scola
Why for the Rockets: You get your all-star duo. Your bench will be thin this year, but you finally have your two all-stars. You can try to find some depth in the off season. You also get a young, raw pg in Morris who can learn from the all-star and fill that backup roll if Flynn does not pan out.
starters: D Williams, Lee, Parsons, Gasol, Dalembert
key bench players: Flynn, D Morris, Budinger, T Williams, Patterson, Hill
Why for the Nets: Howard has finally decided he wants to play in LA, and you are going to lose Williams in the off season. You go into full rebuilding mode. You get a nice package for D-Will in Martin, Blake & M Morris. Morris is a young raw player and you also get two first round picks in the upcoming draft.
starters: Farmar, Martin, Stevenson, Humphries, Lopez
key bench players: Blake, Brooks, James, M Morris, Petro
I may have a slightly biased eye, but I think everybody makes out pretty well in this trade.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Kinda crappy for the Nets, but very good overall...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Nets definitely come out the worst
but considering they get three first round draft picks, I think that will make up for it by expediting rebuilding
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Yeah, it's not terrible for them, just a lot to lose for not much in immediate return.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility though…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
but its pretty much impossible for a 4 team trade to get doene though.
but it was fun to throw together.
the only reason the nets agree to it, is because howard has said he isnt going to be traded & not to NJ, and Williams has said that he is leaving in the offseason. I think Martin, Blake & M Morris (a lottery pick from last year) & two additional 1st round picks this year is a very nice consolation package for losing williams.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I think this trade is still one of my favorites though
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o9yxya
But it only happens if Dwight signs an extension with Orlando or is traded to the Clippers for Blake Griffin (which i dont see happening). Cuz it seems like if he is going to be traded, he is going to either us or NJ.
Lakers get a pau-lite player in Scola and a top tier pg in brooks. plus a raw 7’ backup c in thabeet.
Hou does the trade for obvious reasons. the get their two all-stars for the future.
And NJ does the trade because Williams tells them he is leaving in the offseason. Martin, Blake, Caracter, Glock & the dallas 1st round pick (from LA) is a pretty nice consolation package for Williams.
Lakers starters: Lowry, Kobe, Barnes, Scola, Bynum
key bench players: Fish, Kapono, Ebanks, MWP, McRoberts, Murphy, Thabeet
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Hello all
I’m new here. Live in NJ, but I’ve been a life long Laker fan. I’ve come with a trade that isn’t spectacular, but I think it fills some needs at the same time.
Lakers: Beasley, Ridnour, Milicic
T’Wolves: Pau
In making this trade, we give Wolves Gasol, who serves as a PF/C hybrid for them, keeping Love at the 4, where he’s better suited. They also get someone who can mentor Rubio, as they are Olympic teammates.
For the Lakers, we get Beasley, a SF/PF tweener but I think he can play the 4 for the Lakers. He’s also more comfortable playing around the perimeter, giving Bynum free reign to post up. Then we get an improvement at the starting PG position with Ridnour. For salary purposes, we’d have to take someone like Darko too, but that would serve nicely as a back up defensive player for when Bynum needs a breather.
Here’s the link
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Welcome to SS&R!
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Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
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Thanks!
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by MetsCity on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
But you're a Nets fan also, right?
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No
Just a Lakers fan. Nets are close by so I go to their games and follow them somewhat. Plus the tickets are cheap.
You always root for laundry. Of course, you'd like to have good players in that laundry as well.
Oh, I was going by your profile page.
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Wouldn't do any Pau trade with the T'Wolves unless Love is coming back...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wolves wouldn't trade Love for Pau though
Especially now that they just extended for 4 years/$60M. He’s also quite a bit younger than Gasol too. At best you could hope for an even Gasol for Love swap. But that doesn’t really address any of the teams’ needs. It just replaces a PF with another PF. We would need a deal where we could get several players back, and get something that gives up an upgrade where needed. (Like PG.)
I know Ridnour isn’t a sexy choice, but he’s younger than Fisher and even a year younger than Blake and he’s a solid PG. And with the abandonment of the Triangle and the team trading Odom, a PG is sorely needed on this team. And we’d still get a 3rd option quality scorer (Beasley), plus a shot blocking back-up center (Darko).
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I wouldn't do it on the principle of not wanting a team with Darko on it.
Plus Pau’s overall ability is way better than that trio.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say they would.
What I meant is I have no interest in anyone else on the Wolves (except that Spanish kid of course)
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Back to the drawing board it is...
You always root for laundry. Of course, you'd like to have good players in that laundry as well.
Beasley isn't quality in scoring
nore defense
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I disagree
As a 3rd option, I think his scoring ability is very valuable. He isn’t a good player on defense, that’s true, but defense can always be taught. In either event, I tried a trade I thought could realistically happen.
If I’m going for a dream trade, it’s probably Gasol to Houston for Lowry, Scola, and Kevin Martin. And I honestly don’t want to trade Gasol either, but he seems as the most likely trade piece. It really stinks all we got was a trade exception for Odom. I would’ve at least tried to get Beaubois from Dallas as well.
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They'd never trade Scola, Martin, and Lowry.
Maybe one of the two guards, but not both. I don’t much think they’d be into trading Scola and Lowry really.
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Lowry's the only one I really want...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
and prob the one they want to keep
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Yep...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 29, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
One with Pau going back to Mephis to team with his brother and a three team deal with Mephis with Pau going to Hou
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=867s5wu
and
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cgjrjg
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Don't care for either of those...
Need PG.
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
We aren't getting a PG this year. I don't see the Rockets trading Lowry, Nets won't trade us Williams
and there isn’t any other PG right now I would trade Gasol for. At least Rudy Gay takes some of the scoring pressure off of Kobe night in and night out. Plus it takes a ton of minutes away from Artest, which is never bad, and allows Barnes to be the 6th man he should be.
Neither will happen anyway, but at this point I really don’t think we are doing anything anyway. We pretty much have the team we will have the rest of the year right now.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
here is what i am hoping for.
while dj augustin is out nursing a foot injury, kemba walker goes nuts and plays well in charlotte, and they win a couple games. charlotte see’s dj as expendable, so they look to trade him. lakers hop on it with the odom tpe, picks, cash, young players…. whatever they wanted besides pau or bynum.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I guess that could work. DJ isn't a star player or anything but he's certainly an upgrade at the point for us
We’d need a massive move still to be even remotely competitive for a championship though.
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Both neither realistic nor desirable really.
If we’re going to trade Pau and incur a big hole at the four, we’re going to do it to address our biggest need at the point. That’s an acceptable return for sacrificing a big chunk of our frontcourt depth. Gay isn’t such an upgrade on what we currently have at the three to justify this.
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My thoughts exactly...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 1:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Idk
Gay is a huge upgrade over Barnes and Metta. Idk bout trading a big for him unless they included Conley or The SG who’s name i cant remember and a pick
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Mike Brown for Phil Jackson
oh… wait….
back to the cave
When will people learn.. the greatest of all time wore number 32 and wore purple and gold....
by lenxo on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
For those proposing Pau trades
PLEASE include a way for a back-up C so it’s actually feasible to play basketball if Bynum ever has to leave the game. lol
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If we can someone get Howard First
Howard can back up Howard. It’s what Superman does.
by neokoros on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you cant always get everything you want.
if it became a huge issue (if a pau trade went through), there is always the d league. gotta b a big man there that can give bynum 10 minutes of rest a game.
also, wasnt there mention of rasheed wallace making a comeback. depending on his conditioning, id give him a look (if we traded pau).
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Trade of the Century!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ffdl76
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
by deadmuse on Jan 25, 2012 2:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol
sabotage the Heat trade, eh?
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That's just a bonus
Seeing the big three’s faces after they land on those teams with no help… priceless.
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by deadmuse on Jan 25, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I read some stupid article today that claims an "insider" says LeBron is considering rejoining the Cavs in 2014
Because RAILLEY is too strict.
LeBron being booed by his own home crowd every game = priceless. Not gonna happen though.
Luke for any decent PG.
Heck, i would even take Mike Conley Jnr.
Luke for nothing
Would make most of happy. His contract is an anchor trying to sink any boat he boards.
luke isnt going anywhere until the trade deadlien next year.
a 6 mill expiring contract will be a nice trading piece for a team looking to cut payroll.
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Like a team is gonna give up anything of value for Luke lol
Even to cut salary.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
it wont be a huge piece,
but could possibly be a contributing bench player.
a player that has worn out his welcome and is on the books for another 2 or 3 years, could easily be traded for luke. i guess we will have to wait and see.
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by LakersFoEva on Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Id rather luke just retire.
We need all the salary breaks we can get
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 11:27 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
a pg
i think the lakers could use the odom tpe + one 1st rd + morris/ebanks/caracter for a PG like dragic, jack, augustin, nelson, hinrich, or others that can shoot the 3 as well as drive to the rim
by letsgolal on Jan 26, 2012 5:24 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
proabably not.
we would probably have to offer blake with pau. or morris & another rook/soph with pau.
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I don't think they'd give Lowry
They’re so high on him
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Is there any way Lakers can acquire D.Williams and Howard without losing Gasol?
Thats the one guy I have been saying can’t be traded besides Kobe.
Zero chance.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
lol we dnt have cap room.
No way to get it either
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 5:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Kobe Howard Deron Pau
That would be fantastic! It’s completely though…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 26, 2012 8:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
*impossible
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 26, 2012 8:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
umm,
unless somehow Williams or Howard and Kobe and Gasol all agreed to take paycuts to be here. Not gonna happen
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
the only way that would be possible,
would be to trade bynum w/ some sophs/rooks and/or picks for howard
and then for whatever reason, NJ takes Blake, Walton, MWP & some other small pieces for D-Will.
AND THAT INT HAPPENING.
like EmmCeee said, 0% chance.
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lol
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pdt6kh
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Pau to Houston, Deron to LA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qnckf6
Lakers get: Deron, Scola, Morrow
Nets get: Martin, Dragic, Barnes, 3 First Rounders (1 from Lakers, 1 from Mavs via Lakers, 1 from Houston)
Houston gets: Gasol, Odom TPE
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
this is a silly trade
if D-will could be had for that set of players, Houston could easily figure out a deal where they are the main beneficiary, and then flip lowry + scola for pau gasol. it’s not like the two lakers picks would be valuable, even in a deep draft.
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Some of these trade make too much sense
and just won’t translate into the real-world lol
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Since we can't get both DH12 and D Will.
I think we should just settle for DH12 without giving up Pau. And if we were to trade Pau away, lets do it for good shooters and reliable bench players.
Should be better
Damn, didn’t typed finish. What i meant was while a D Will, Kobe and DH12 starting looks good and is every Laker’s fantasy, it might weaken our overall team so much due to the lack of cap space or flexibility for the rest of the team.
Keep in mind...
We already have no cap space or flexibility…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 28, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yea i realised so.
And all the more reason we should just forget about D Will. DH12 is the person we want to build our team around. Gasol could be used to get a few good players which will strengthen the team in a few areas like a decent PG not an all star one, a shooter and a good bench player.
But our need is at PG, not C
I don’t care about Deron that much, but obviously he’s the best pg that’s (sort of) available. Honestly, I don’t think there’s ANY way we get Dwight without giving up Bynum AND Pau. It’s stinks, but it’s very unlikely we get him at this point…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 28, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah i get the need for a PG.
But if we were to get an all star caliber type of PG, we have to give up either one of our bigs which is most likely Pau, and i’m not sure that would make us better once we lose our dominance in the front court. Ricky Rubio is impressing me a lot, but that’s a far fetched thought. And the only good PGs that seem to be available would be D Will, which will take too much to acquire imo.
What dominance?
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by EmmCeee on Jan 29, 2012 12:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
At this point, take a gamble on Gilbert arenas.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=mYSHaNdyKlQ
Highlights from a playoff game last year. This is currently Better than anything else we have off the bench.
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I'd do this one in a heart beat. It doesn't get us a PG but it makes us better for sure.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=766r5n2
We get much better from 3, Dwight is a much more consistent rebounder than either Gasol or Bynum, and Turk adds more of a play maker at the 3 than anyone we have.
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Magic giving up way too much...
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 30, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
They don't need Anderson with Scola and Bynum
They want to dump Turk, and they don’t need Redick with Martin and Richardson.
I could see why they wouldn’t want to do it though.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
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As long as we aren't giving up much, we need to do it!
Guy can penetrate the D, and is a good passer. He’s okay from 3 (not any worse than Fish), and can drive to score. He also has the athleticism to make us a lot better on D.
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 30, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
What are we giving up for Sessions?
And wouldn’t we have too many pgs if he came without anyone going?
Morris needs to go to D-league
And Blake is out for another month anyway, so we’ll worry about it that when it comes… Sessions would be the starter no doubt.
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Several trade rumors swirling about #Cavs guard Ramon Sessions. Question is whether Cavs can get a first-rounder in return
https://twitter.com/BobCavsinsider/status/164165585679302658
In all honesty,
I think we can find better talent in the draft this year than with sessions. He is a decent pg who can set guys up, but he isn’t that great from 3. We just drafted 2 pg’s in the last draft and both have shown glimpses of being serviceable pg’s in the future.
i think we would be better off using both the 1st round picks or trying to get a better pg.
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We all know we should’ve had Chris Paul via Houston. Orlando needs to trade Dwight Howard but they probably (and rightfully) want more than just Andrew Bynum. Bynum and Pau Gasol for Howard straight up is not good. So why doesn’t Mitch revisit the Houston?
We don’t have Lamar Odom to trade to Houston, but Orlando does have Hedo Turkoglu who they want to get rid of. Here is my trade (works on trade machine):
LAL: Get Dwight Howard, Luis Scola, and Kyle Lowry
ORL: Get Andrew Bynum and Kevin Martin
HOU: Get Pau Gasol and Hedo Turkoglu
I think this trade works for all three teams: Houston gets the interior presence they want in Pau, plus we can send them a pick and Odom’s trade exception. Orlando gets something in return for Dwight, and something pretty good in my opinion. They get his replacement in Bynum, possibly the second best center in the NBA, and a big time scoring guard in Martin. With those two, the Magic don’t necessarily take a step back and they certainly have good pieces for the future.
Now, the Lakers side. They get Dwight which is awesome. That’s an upgrade. Scola is certainly a downgrade, but he essentially is Pau, just two inches shorter and less polished. He is a very good scorer and rebounder and Dwight will more than make up for his defense. The trade does not work salary-wise without Lowry, and Goran Dragic’s salary is not big enough to make it work with him. So, Houston makes the trade work, and we get a MAJOR point guard upgrade.
Trade machine gives us a +13 win rating on this, I think it could mean more, even a championship. Thoughts?
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its def a good trade for us.
Hou doesnt seem to want to part with Lowry and will prob want a lot more for him in return. (if the are even willing to trade him at all)
i could also see Orl wanting more. as in picks or young players.
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maybe this...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7moc7fl
Lakers get: Howard, Lowry & Scola
Magic get: Bynum, Martin, Ebanks & Lakers 2nd round pick in 2012
Rockets get: Pau, Turkoglu, Morris & Dallas 1st round pick in 2012 (from Lakers)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
This would be a great trade
Houston might derail it for 2 reasons: not wanting to part with Lowry and/or not wanting to take on Hedo’s contact
Must agree with you
Morey is way too smart to take on Hedo’s contract, especially considering that Hedo essentially sucks. Morey is trying to get young, hard-working type players and build around them with consistent vets that are worth the money. I don’t think taking on Hedo’s contract is worth the money for them, especially if they aren’t getting young players back for it.
More importantly though, why do people think the Rockets would trade Lowry without getting someone they could build around? Lowry is essentially being groomed to be the face of that franchise, plus is on a great contract, why in God’s name would they trade him off?
"Work before Glory"
If Houston is giving up a PG
It’s Flynn or Dragic. No way they give up Lowry without getting peices they could build around for the future.
"Work before Glory"
Rockets trade Martin, Scola AND Lowry for Pau and are saddled with Turk?
Ha.
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Mar 3, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive been tinkering around with the trade machine....
Same trade as above except Lakers get Scola instead of Patterson
Would you do this?
Lakers get: D Williams, B Lopez, Okur & Morrow
Nets get: Pau & Bynum
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
My thoughts,
The 1st one:
This is probably an improvement, but I hate giving up Gasol and Bynum and not getting a good PF. :/ The Scola deal is probably too much to ask from the Rockets, but I would do it in a heartbeat.
I wouldn’t do the D-Will trade… I honestly think Lopez is the most overrated player in the game. High-usage Center who sucks at rebounding and defending. I get chills thinking about him. >.>
I’d do the Knicks trade in a heartbeat. I’m wondering if the Knicks would want more than Pau, ebanks, and morris for Stoudemire AND a first rounder. Maybe if we took out the first rounder, and threw Ebanks in to Orl? I dunno. I’m bad at this stuff lol
I like the Cavs one. A lot. I have no idea how much the Cavs like it, but they don’t actually give up much. That doesn’t seem too unreasonable. Unless I’m missing somethimg.
tinkering?
lol
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by bluexfalcon on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do the first one
With Scola instead of Patterson. I’m on the win-now-while-we-still-have-kobe-and-worry-about-the-future-later bandwagon though
"Work before Glory"
We'd be at
Dragic/Fish/Blake
Kobe/Glock/Kapono
Hedo/MWP/Barnes/Luke
Scola/McRoberts/Murphy/Caracter
Dwight/Dwight/Dwight
PG is the obvious weakness, but I like Dragic’s game. Our other weakness is Defense as a whole, but that’s what Mike Brown is for. I could see the Lakers making a championship run with this team, and getting dragic is a lot more realistic than getting Lowry.
"Work before Glory"
Made a slight modification to your first trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7v76hua
I don’t think Houston wouldn’t want to make a trade for Pau and keep Scola while one of their best creators gets shipped out. In this new deal, they ship scola to ORL and send Hasheem the dream to LA instead of Patterson to make the salaries work out.
You think Orlando would prefer a slumping Scola and Matt Barnes
over Kevin Martin, who’s been playing pretty incredibly lately?
I actually guess it depends on whether they’d want to build around that Scola-Bynum frontcourt (assuming Scola eventually returns to form, which is no sure bet considering he’s already 31) or an inside-outside attack with Martin.
But regardless, Howard effectively killed the need for any of these trades today :/
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
still beats sending only Bynum, TPE, and picks
Orlando gets a solid front court to build around. And like I said, I don’t think Houston wants to trade for Pau and not send Scola away. It would kinda be a waste of resources.
One last tinker
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78argeq
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Can't see why Charotte does this.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Cause MJ's a terrible owner maybe...
But yeah, no LOGICAL reason…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
We should stop playing around.
False hopes and fantasies makes it harder to accept reality. :(
Long time lurker, but I just wanted to know any thoughts on this?
Lakers receive:
Jerryd Bayless
Raptors receive:
Matt Barnes
Darius Morris
Lakers 2012 second round pick
I doubt the Raptors would do this trade, but they were interested in Barnes in the offseason and seem to be going after Wilson Chandler (who Barnes somewhat plays like).
by David G. on Jan 31, 2012 2:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Welcome to SS&R!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Bobcats
Tweetness
Here's a potential trade that I mentioned on another thread
Calderon is better than Sessions, and the Rapt’s want a cheaper, yet serviceable PG in return for Calderon.
This deal banks on Houston still wanting Gasol.
Awesome ESPN Trade Machine Scenario
We could also throw in Ebanks or a rook to Houston, and/or see if Orlando wants to send Redick to Houston since Martin would take his starting spot.
Our starting lineup would be:
PG: Calderon
SG: Kobe
SF: Turk
PF: Scola
C: Howard
Ya I saw this post before
I think it works for all sides, personally. The Raptors might perhaps want a sweetener in addition to Dragic, but some cash and/or 2nd-rounder(s) should do the trick.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
holy crap.
lakers luxury tax would sky rocket.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Henry
D howard?? Is it true his people has warned the lakers that he would test the market even if they trade for him? Thanks.
Eric Pincus
I’ve heard the same. There’s a push to get Howard into Dallas although there’s a lot still up, up, up in the air.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
are those the 3 you meant when you chose your username?
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
by deadmuse on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Hehe
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 2, 2012 2:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i'd actually consider that one,
but the salaries dont match up. (unless we used the odom tpe on jack).
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Feb 2, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol @ your screen name
good shit shaqfor3.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (1/ 22/12)
We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl (1/28/12)
we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang (1/ 31/ 12)
we arent winning anything this year :P - Madmaxx350 (1/31/12)
We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude. - Aethereal (1/31/12)
We're not winning anything this year - Marty Mart (2/1/12)
by Jelly Bean on Feb 2, 2012 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OMG! Yes Please!!
Bucks to Trade Frustrated Jackson?
Stephen Jackson was supposed to make an immediate impact in Milwaukee. He was going to provide leadership, which the Bucks have lacked in recent years, and contribute on both ends of the court. Twenty games into the season, that hasn’t been the case.
Jackson was initially frustrated with the organization because they wouldn’t extend his contract. Now, the 33-year-old is also unhappy with his role.
"I ain’t surprised," Jackson said of being benched. "They know how I feel. It ain’t no secret. Everybody knows the situation. I’m going to cheer the team on and do what I’ve got to do. My situation is going to get better soon. But until then I’m going to support these guys and continue to collect my check."
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (1/ 22/12)
We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl (1/28/12)
we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang (1/ 31/ 12)
we arent winning anything this year :P - Madmaxx350 (1/31/12)
We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude. - Aethereal (1/31/12)
We're not winning anything this year - Marty Mart (2/1/12)
by Jelly Bean on Feb 2, 2012 7:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well, Dwight did say he wants to play with him...
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
lol
his contract is $300,000 greater than Odom’s TPE.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Just playing around with three team trades involving the Rockets
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7w3asza
I don’t think the Nets will trade Williams under any circumstance though, so it’s a moot point really.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Jeremy Lin's trade value just skyrocketed...
One can dream though.
Lakers, Magic, Cavs deal
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8xbftfu
To ORL: Bynum, Gasol
To LAL: Howard, Sessions, Varejao, Hedo
To CLE: Anderson, Reddick, Odom TPE
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
brilliant
do it now!
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
That seems pretty good...deal?
Howard-Varejao-Hedo-Sessions-Kobe starting line-up?
Bench: Glock, MWP, McBob, Barnes, Murphy, Blake, Fish, Kapono, and Ebanks?
Go Sharks!
Don't see why CLE needs to get that much in return.
Redick would be more than enough…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 6, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Doubt Orlando would give up D12, Anderson, Turk, AND Redick for only 2 big guys in return..
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You're welcome." -Kobe
take anderson out of the equation cuz i think cle is getting too much in return (as nightwing said)
maybe something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86dar57
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Lakers, Suns, Magic Trade
Lakers get: Steve Nash, Dwight Howard
Suns get: Andrew Bynum, Hedo Turkoglu
Magic get: Marcin Gortat, Pau Gasol
Draft picks can be added if needed
like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jaq8br
(cleveland gets odoms tpe)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Orlando wanted Bynum and Gasol for Howard.
I don’t think they’ll take Gortat in Bynum’s place.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You're welcome." -Kobe
If this ship continues to sink,
and Mitch has no trades or signings at the March 15th deadline, I think he should pull this trade out of his back pocket.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7mq7e9n
Lakers get: Boris Diaw, Diop, DJ Augustin & the bobcats 2012 1st round pick
Bobcats get: Gasol, Morris, the mavs 1st round pick in 2012 (from LA) & the lakers 2nd round pick in 2012.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Fat Boris Diaw?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @76ers.
Tweetness
the trade more or less is to get the 1st pick in next years draft.
we would be giving up on the season. diaw and augustin have expiring contracts.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
WE DON'T GIVE UP ON SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111!!!!!!ELEVEN!!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @76ers.
Tweetness
but i thought
“we werent winning anything this year”………..
and giving up was a bad choice of words. just going in a different direction.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
we're not winning anything this year
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-2-rondo-for-gasol-a-possiblity
H/T lakergirl for the find.
I would seriously think about this, if they sent us B Bass & Pietrus, along with Rondo.
Bass is a hustling PF who has a nice mid range jumper. Pietrus is a SF who is putting up 8 ppg off the bench and hitting 3’s at a 40% mark.
We’ll send you Pau and D Morris.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
The trade's already lopsided in our favor BEFORE you add Bass or Pietrus...
I’d take Pau for Rondo straight-up anyday. We can fill the PF spot with the TPE…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 8, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Trade proposal for B. Jennings.
Jennings isn’t getting traded, I know, but fun to talk about.
One with Gasol for Jennings
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dxonre
A three team trade with the Lakers, Bucks, and Rockets.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pmp4ga
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Do this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7aqd3t4
And then this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2uux58k
while throwing in the 1st round pick we got from dallas and our 2nd round pick next year.
PG: Dragic, Blake, Fish
SG: Bryant, Martin, Glock, Kapono
SF: Peace, Ebanks, Walton
PF: Scola, McRoberts
C: Howard, Murphy
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
From SS&R member 111
Rockets Trade: Kevin Martin, Johnny Flynn, Luis Scola, and Hasheem Thabeet
Rockets Receive: Pau Gasol, Boris Diaw, and Matt Barnes
Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol and Matt Barnes
Lakers Receive: Luis Scola, Hasheem Thabeet, and DJ Augustin
Bobcats Trade: DJ Augustin and Boris Diaw
Bobcats Receive: Kevin Martin and Johnny Flynn
Why would each team would do this trade?
Rockets: It is no surprise that the Rockets have been looking for a star caliber big man to build around since Yao Ming retired with his foot injuries. Pau Gasol is one of the top centers in the NBA and with 3 years left in his contract and at 31 years of age, he will be off the books right if his age catches up to him. Moving Kevin Martin could also unleash some of the talent that are backed up in the Rockets bench, as well as ridding themselves of a defensive liability. Getting Boris Diaw will give them yet another option at the pf position, but more importantly he is in his contract year and it will free up some cap space as he will be off the books and take all $9 mil off the cap. Matt Barnes is a complementary piece that will give the team some fire of the bench.
Lakers: They are in big need of a point guard right now, so much of a need that they are even looking at Gilbert Arenas and Rafer Alston. While there will be a drop off by losing Pau Gasol, they will get a much needed PG in DJ Augustin. Augustin is healing from a minor injury, but he was having himself a very nice season prior to that; averaging 13.6 pts, 3.1 rebs, and 6.6 asts per game. While these are not eye popping numbers, keep in mind that Augustin is getting these averages while playing for a very slow tempo and offensively challenged team. The Lakers will also receive Luis Scola and Hasheem Thabeet from the Rockets whom will help shore up the front lines after losing Gasol. Scola brings 120% effort night in and night out and can almost match Gasol’s scoring ability at the PF position. This trade can also move Bynum to the Center position.
Bobcats: This team is the most offensively challenged team in the league. Some of this is attributed to injuries, but much of this is simply due to the lack of offensive talent. Although Kevin Martin is one of the worst defensive players in the league not named Carmelo Anthony, Martin is absolutely a lethal weapon on the offensive end. Unlike most high scoring players who holds on to the ball, Martin is one of the best in the league at moving around the floor without the ball which could help Kemba Walker out a lot. By adding Johnny Flynn they will fill the void at the backup pg position left by DJ Augustin. Boris Diaw at this point is probably seen by the league as just an expiring contract, the guy plays with no sense of urgency and is very laissez-faire on the court. Bobcats fans would be excited just to see him gone.
I tried this trade on ESPN NBA Trade Machine and all the numbers check out fine. Let me know your thoughts.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Knicks.
Tweetness
by SoCalGal on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like this one a little better...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ukpm2z
The Lakers were giving up too much with Pau & Barnes. In this trade, we keep our best SF and pickup a starting PG, a replacement for Pau and some front court depth.
The Bobcats get their scorer in Martin and a capable backup PG in Flynn.
The Rockets get their star PF/C in Pau, a backup big with an expiring contract and a rookie pg project.
Augustin, Blake, Fish
Kobe, Glock, Kapono
MWP, Barnes, Ebanks, Walton
Scola, Hill, McRoberts
Bynum, Murphy
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Feb 13, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
link failed
Lakers trade Pau & D Morris for Augustin, Scola & J Hill
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
That looks good too
I don’t think the Rockets care what extra pieces they get, so long as Pau Gasol is the main piece of the puzzle.
Li Zheng
Here's to trading everybody
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by BrittneyM on Feb 13, 2012 2:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hater!
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 13, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Per SS&R member _______key
Does anyone think that we would be better with Scola, D12 and Nelson? I like Scola a lot, much tougher mentally than Pau, and I’m not sure that this team is Championship level. I also have the long-term multi-year doubts about Bynum’s health. But this just does not seem to be enough.
What do you all think?
To Los Angeles: Dwight Howard, Luis Scola, Jameer Nelson
To Houston: Pau Gasol, Matt Barnes, LAL first-round pick
To Orlando: Andrew Bynum, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Chandler Parsons
Gasol
The Lakers don’t have many pieces to give up, but Gasol and Bynum are the two best options Orlando could get. Bynum is no Howard (sorry Shaq, it’s true), but he’s still one of the best centers in the league and would make the 5 a strength for the Magic in the years to come.
Gasol, on the other hand, has little value to the Magic because of his age and because of Anderson. He’d become the Rockets’ best player, though, and they can give up some of their great depth for a star. Earlier in the season, they were willing to give up Scola, Martin and Dragic. Adding Barnes and a first-round pick could convince them to throw in promising rookie Parsons too.
Gasol and Bynum are a steep price for the Lakers to pay, even if they add the future face of the franchise. But at least Scola and Nelson, who are now extraneous pieces for the Magic, would fill big holes for Los Angeles, especially at the much-maligned point guard position.
In the end, though, why do the Lakers make this trade? They do it because they’re motivated to shake things up to better compete for the 2012 NBA championship, which is looking highly unlikely right now for L.A. In fact, our TeamRankings.com NBA playoff odds give the Lakers just a 1.4 percent chance of winning another title if things keep going the way they are.
That percentage just isn’t good enough for Kobe. Something needs to change, and GM Mitch Kupchak might decide to take a risk. As any seasoned salesperson knows, a motivated buyer completely changes the game. If the Magic can parlay L.A.’s lust for championships and discontent with the status quo into negotiating leverage, the Magic can trade Howard for the pieces they need to win, both now and in the future.
source
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Knicks.
Tweetness
The source on this was lost on the transfer from Fan Post
The link was important to the story, because it proposes two other trade scenarios that the Lakers would be in competition against.
They'd be crazy not to take that Chicago deal...
Don’t think Chi would give up that much though…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 13, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers get: D.Howard, D.Williams, H.Turkoglu
Magic: A.Bynum, M.Okur, M.Barnes, D.Morris
Nets: P.Gasol, J.Nelson
I was saying many months before we got P.Gasol, he would be the best fit for Lakers, but never thought such unimaginable good fortune was possible.
Maybe Kupchak can pull this off again. After all, we ALMOST got Chirs Paul.
Thought this was interesting. From @ZephidFB_G:
It’ll never happen, but what if the Lakers offered Bynum + MWP for Nash, Gortat, Dudley, and 2 first round picks? Do the Suns say no?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
by Ben R on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My point of view on this is in regards to the Lakers defense.
Giving up Bynum ONLY works if they get Howard. if not, any other trade is not worth it. The only positive thing this season is their defense and I can’t help think that Bynum is a big reason for that. and if they get players back that don’t make up that defense it isn’t worth it. The Lakers don’t need a blockbuster trade just for the sake of trading. They will be losing their rebounding and defense in this situation, and for what? Whats the point of covering up one hole if you are going to open two more (rebounding / defense)?
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Gortat isn't chopped liver. Dude is averaging 15/10 with a 21.1 PER.
And is a solid post defender in his own right. Not Bynum good or even remotely close to Howard’s dominance, but he is a very respectable defender and rebounds very well. Meanwhile, getting Nash would by itself probably turn us into an offensive juggernaut. He is probably even Paul’s superior as a P&R operator and game manager and is probably the best shooter in NBA history. He’s practically putting up another 50-40-90 season (if he could nail a few more freebies at the line), has a 23.7 PER, and is thirty-eight years old. That’s insane. So in all, I disagree with your assertion that this opens up holes for us; I think Gasol has actually been the more impactful defender this year because of his activity and better P&R defense and while as a whole, it is a downgrade on defense, it’s not that much of one. Meanwhile, if you could make any move to make us a top flight offensive team, this is it.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
no to mention, Dudley could come right in and start at the SF, or be the backup SG!
Our offensive production should sky rocket, while our defense shouldn’t be hit as hard.
And another thing with Gortat, is that he is an energy guy and can move side to side. So, the awesome hedge defense that Pau has played on P&R, will also be shown by our starting center.
I would do this trade is a heart beat. Hell, I’d even throw D Morris in the trade as well. Yes, you get a 38 year old PG, but you possibly have 3 (THREE) first round picks in the upcoming super deep draft. We already have a PG rookie in Goudelock who has shown promise. Dudley is on a cheap contract for 4 more years. You can go out and get some good, young talent to build for the future.
Nash, Blake, Fish
Bryant, Glock, Kapono
Dudley, Barnes, Ebanks, Walton
Gasol, McRoberts
Gortat, Murphy
and ill repeat myself….. with 3 picks in the 2012 draft! (if dallas finishes inside the top 10 of the league)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
We're not getting draft picks from Phoenix in this deal.
If anything, we would be the ones to send picks back, especially since doing this kills any chance of a Dwight deal, so this would essentially be our “big move” of the season and there’s no real point in saving those picks otherwise.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Trade Gasol, MWP for Gortat, Morris, Dudley, Brooks
Lakers
PG: Brooks, Blake, Fisher
SG: Bryant, Dudley, Goudelock
SF: Barnes, Ebanks
PF: Gortat, Morris, McRoberts
C: Bynum, Murphy
Suns
PG: Nash, Price
SG: Brown, Redd
SF: Hill, MWP
PF: Fyre, Warrick
C: Gasol, Lopez
Phoenix says no to that.
They want young pieces to build around when Nash leaves, not players getting into their 30s like Pau.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Yes that all sounds very appealing offensively. Still not worth it. IMO
What allows Pau to be effective defensively is Bynum’s presence in the paint. If the Lakers did get Gortat, I am almost sure that would put Pau as Center, which he has proven in the past, that when Bynum isn’t on the court he isn’t as effective defensively. But the rest on Nash does make it hard to say no.
btw..your following comment about Nash is pretty surprising. In a good way.
is probably the best shooter in NBA history.
THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
...still not worth it?
Uh, really? First, Gortat is a center. I’m not sure why you have the impression that he would be something otherwise. The current rotation will continue as usual. My comparison between Bynum and Gortat above said that yes, it would be a downgrade defensively, but not a significant one while Gortat is producing roughly equivalent offensive numbers. Meanwhile, Nash offers obvious offensive benefits and a massive upgrade at the point. This is a win for the Lakers in practically every sense imaginable, especially if they wean a wing from Phoenix.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Well yeah
if they get a wing that would make a difference. Personally, I think that having Pau and Gortat it would be awkward to play your biggest player (Gasol) at PF and having Gortat at Center. Oh well, that is just me.
THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
*See 2008 Boston Celtics
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
wow that would gut them completely
I don’t know if they would go for it
Is Bynum even worth that much?
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by bluexfalcon on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Probably not.
Asking for picks is likely ridiculous. They’re not taking MWP’s salary either. It would even be a stretch to say that Phoenix would give up both Nash and Gortat for Bynum. Maybe if we threw in a pick, Goudelock, and Ebanks while taking back Childress with the TPE to save Phoenix salary, it would make things more equitable, although I would still wonder as to whether Phoenix couldn’t get better offers on the market if they put Nash up for trade. There’s a fair argument to be made that this is a far better trade for the Lakers in the short-term than getting Howard as well — they get a top five point and a borderline All-Star center for Bynum, filling a huge hole at a position of need and getting a more than adequate replacement for the spot they traded away.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Nash is super valuable for the Suns for marketing purposes as much as for his actual play
so they might not trade him away cheaply
The Suns want to clear salary and so not take back a contract.
The Suns are going to rebuild.
So they want to clear salary and get draft picks in what should be a deep draft since a lot of players didn’t come out of college last year due to the lock out.
So, trade the $9M exception and one or two of the 1st round picks to get Nash. (It’s within 25% of Nash’s salary).
The Lakers effectively turn Lamar into Nash.
The Suns save money and get one or two 1st round picks, who are relatively cheap, but good, in a deep draft.
Both teams get what they need.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
That's not how TPEs work.
The player you’re receiving has to be equal to or under the value of the TPE. There’s no 125% rule that applies here. Moreover, the Suns want a building block for Nash if they do trade him and you can be assured that teams will offer things of that magnitude to get him.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Ah, I see, it's 125% if used simultaneously.
That is, at the same time, say in multi-team deal.
When used later/separately, it’s called non-simultaneous and is limited to 100%.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
I'd do this trade in heartbeat and not think twice about it.
So much win with this trade.
yeah, the picks would have to go the other way though
no way phoenix trades away nash and doesn’t ask for some picks back. We could give them blake as well, since he’d essentially be worthless if we have nash. I really like this trade, and totally agree with Ben R that getting Gortat is NOT a big drop off on D. Also, I can see Phoenix doing this because if anything, Bynum is underrated since he’s our third option on offense. As a first option Big Boy Bynum would be a complete beast. On a side note, I push for this if I’m Bynum, Phoenix medical staff is full of win.
"Work before Glory"
r u suggesting trading Bynum for Nash?
PHX is saying Nash will sign with Suns after this season(probably to drive up his trade value).
Howard is telling Magic to trade for Nash.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
not straight up.
Bynum + MWP for Nash, Gortat & Dudley.
That trade fills all of our needs, big time.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
if Lakers is willing to roll the dice & completely rebuild in 2 years...
then, I guess it’s a “go”.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I'd do that trade
I’d miss Bynum a lot, but I’d still do it. Then we’d have to work on improving our bench scoring, but we might still have some assets left over for that after the trade.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
According to Adrian Woj, the Rockets are still interested in Martin + Scola for Gasol
So any three team with the Rockets may still be feasible
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Rockets will still throw in Flynn or Dragic if pressed (though dunno if any team would want Flynn)
I'd do either of these two:
Lakers trade Pau & Morris for Martin, Scola & Dragic
or
Lakers Trade Pau & Morris for Augustin, Scola & J Hill
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I like this trade.
I would want Dragic thrown in along with Scola and Martin. The Lakers could flip Martin for smaller contracts as well.
Hollinger
One of the trade scenarios he looked at for Dwight
To Los Angeles: Dwight Howard, Luis Scola, Jameer Nelson
To Houston: Pau Gasol, Matt Barnes, LAL first-round pick
To Orlando: Andrew Bynum, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Chandler Parsons
The Lakers don’t have many pieces to give up, but Gasol and Bynum are the two best options Orlando could get. Bynum is no Howard (sorry Shaq, it’s true), but he’s still one of the best centers in the league and would make the 5 a strength for the Magic in the years to come.
Gasol, on the other hand, has little value to the Magic because of his age and because of Anderson. He’d become the Rockets’ best player, though, and they can give up some of their great depth for a star. Earlier in the season, they were willing to give up Scola, Martin and Dragic. Adding Barnes and a first-round pick could convince them to throw in promising rookie Parsons too.
Gasol and Bynum are a steep price for the Lakers to pay, even if they add the future face of the franchise. But at least Scola and Nelson, who are now extraneous pieces for the Magic, would fill big holes for Los Angeles, especially at the much-maligned point guard position.
In the end, though, why do the Lakers make this trade? They do it because they’re motivated to shake things up to better compete for the 2012 NBA championship, which is looking highly unlikely right now for L.A. In fact, our TeamRankings.com NBA playoff odds give the Lakers just a 1.4 percent chance of winning another title if things keep going the way they are.
That percentage just isn’t good enough for Kobe. Something needs to change, and GM Mitch Kupchak might decide to take a risk. As any seasoned salesperson knows, a motivated buyer completely changes the game. If the Magic can parlay L.A.’s lust for championships and discontent with the status quo into negotiating leverage, the Magic can trade Howard for the pieces they need to win, both now and in the future.
what do you guys think?
I was just about to post this article on here, haha
I think this deal is good for all three teams, Lakers get D12 plus a very serviceable Point Guard, Rockets get their man in Pau, and Orlando gets plenty of talent back to stay competitive.
Li Zheng
Nah, Jameer's been terrible since his shoulder injury.
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
i like dragic more than jameer.
by letsgolal on Feb 15, 2012 12:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
that gives me chills
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Do not want Jameer Nelson.
He is not that much of an upgrade at the PG.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
He's right, he's not that great...
We can’t look at these things relatively, because we have Fish… So anything would be a huge upgrade – Blake is a huge upgrade…
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 1, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Jameer is still a decent upgrade over Blake
Jameer has solid handles and can get in the paint and create, which Blake can’t do. Jameer reads the game better than Blake as well. I think the areas Jameer has dropped off in are his shooting and defense.
"Work before Glory"
I like this one from Bleacher Report
Lakers send Luke Walton, Josh McRoberts, Darius Morris and a 2012 first-round pick to the Bobcats for Tyrus Thomas and D.J. Augustin.
I'd do it in a heartbeat considering we aren't using ANY of those players anyway...
Don’t know why CHA would do it, other than MJ being a moron…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
There's absolutely no reason for Charlotte to do that.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Bleacher Report's reasons being:
Charlotte would get rid of T.Thomas’ bad contract and they will not need Augustin now that Kemba Walker is in town.
I don’t think MJ would do it, unless Lakers throw in the TPE, then maybe.
by 4ever Lakers on Feb 15, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Charlotte conveys draft picks right now, so they would definitely do it.
Thomas doesn’t have a horrible contract, he needs to just play with a high intensity on defense, which he does, but the thing is that he is forcing the issue on offense right now.
Augustin would be quite an upgrade at the pg position.
Li Zheng
From Mannan Ali, a Rockets fan.
So I’m from the Rockets blog wondering how would you think of this trade scenario with the Lakers. The trade basically is us trading Flynn, Thabeet, and William (the 09’ers) for the Lakers Walton and 1 or 2 first round picks they own. The number picks depend on Morey’s magic to get the two picks.(Lakers own theirs and the Mavericks pick) The Rockets then can amnesty Walton and get more cap room.
You can see trade on the trade machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=769fwup
Star-divide
The whole reason the cap works is because Lakers have a 8.5 million dollar trade exception and is use on Flynn and Thabeet.
Pros Lakers
The Lakers get a point guard that can actually move
They get much needed depth on the bench with Williams and Thabeet (not really with Thabeet)
They get rid of Luke Walton’s horrific contract
All these plays contracts expire after this season so it frees them up financially
Pros Rockets
The Rockets get one or two first round pick in a very strong draft (That will give them 3 or 4 picks for next years draft)
They have immediate cap room for now
They get rid of the 09ers who die on the bench and these three can actually get time in L.A
I believe that this can realistically improve your bench with some young legs and y’all will have a little more financial flexibility. Below please comment on what you think of this trade and how you would change it and how you feel about this trade.
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The Rockets can't amnesty Walton if we trade him to them.
You can’t use the amnesty someone you traded for and not part of the team since July 31, 2011. I think giving 1 or 2 first round picks are a lot. It will be better for the Lakers to hold on those picks and Walton because there’s a lot of money coming to the Lakers. At least Walton will be a expiring contract next season. They’ll also take roster spots and the Lakers only have 1 roster spot open or two rather if we trade Walton. Johnny Flynn is not even that good. It won’t help the Lakers with this trade.
by BoneCruncher24 on Feb 15, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible trade for the Lakers.
Walton isn’t that bad of a contract anymore since he’s expiring next year. They’re not going to throw away a first rounder and the TPE for what essentially are three busts.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Sooo....
Would that make it so we have 16 Players on the team? I don’t know how that’ll work out…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Another Rockets scenario with Minny thrown in for flavor:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=897clt6
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I'd definitely do that!
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 20, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
Pipedream, IMO
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
why would orlando
want bynum and lopez. both are worthy starters.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
There's talk that they would do Dwight/Lopez if D12 comes as a FA
It could work, though I think it would be better to trade one of them for pieces…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 20, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boozer for Gasol is bullshit. Now if you say Noah and a PG maybe
Gasol Tied to Bulls, Again
When Pau Gasol was traded to the L.A. Lakers in February of 2008, it came after a whirlwind of trade rumors that had the Spanish forward headed to a number of different teams. One of the more serious rumors at the time was a deal that centered around Bulls forward Luol Deng, but Chicago at the time balked at giving up too many young pieces to acquire Gasol.
The asking price was then, as it is now, very high for one of the most gifted offensive post men in the game, and Chicago backed off of trade talks long before Memphis grew desperate enough to dump Gasol to L.A. in what seemed at the time to be one of the more lopsided trades in league history.
Of course, this year Deng and Pau’s little brother Marc, for whom he was traded, are both All-Stars while Pau himself is not, but that’s not the point. The point is that, according to Jesus Sanchez of the Spanish sports website Marca.com, Gasol’s agent Arn Tellum is trying to facilitate a trade to Chicago. Again.
Gasol is averaging a career-low 16.6 ppg for a struggling Lakers team, and Tellum also works with Derrick Rose, so it’s not an entirely outlandish idea. It’s actually not even the first time this season that the Bulls have been rumored to have had interest in Gasol. An internet rumor earlier in the season suggested a Boozer-for-Gasol swap, but the reality of that suggestion was discovered when the rumor didn’t really pick up steam, let alone actually find its way to consummation.
So what about now? Expect the same thing. With the Lakers struggling, rumors involving Gasol are going to be pretty rampant as fans are looking for ways to dramatically improve the team. What they really need, however, is help at the point guard position. Neither C.J. Watson, John Lucas III, or Mike James are big enough improvements to warrant moving Gasol for Boozer, who is also struggling.
It seems like the kind of deal Chicago would consider making, but it just makes too little sense from L.A.’s standpoint. If they’re going to offload Pau, they’ve got to get more value in return than what Chicago is likely to offer. It’s a fun idea, but doesn’t seem likely to come to fruition.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday-nets-snap-skid-brooks-back
THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
We will be glad to take Tmac off their hands for cheap. I have wanted Tmac on the Lakers
for a very long time. He knows he isn’t THE guy anymore and based on his quote, he just wants to help. He would be the cheapest Kobe back up they can get. DO IT MITCH! what will it take?
McGrady Not Happy With Role in Atlanta
You know how to tell when a player is frustrated with his role on a team? He starts using curse words in post-game interviews.
"I’m tired of this [bleep]," Atlanta’s Tracy McGrady told Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal Constitution after Saturday’s loss to Portland. "You can put that in the paper, I don’t give a [bleep]."
Sort of takes away any doubt about how things are going for T-Mac in Atlanta, doesn’t it?
Of course, a player of his pedigree who proved last year in Detroit that he still had some gas left in the tank wouldn’t take too well to playing only 4:39 in the twenty-point loss to the Blazers. None of those minutes came in the second half.
"If you don’t feel I can help, come tell me that," McGrady said. "[Hawks head coach Larry Drew] ain’t told me nothing. I just want to help these guys win, man, which I know I can. But, damn, four minutes?"
So what does this mean for McGrady’s future with the team? Well, the Hawks can’t actually trade him until March 1 because he was just signed this past offseason, but there’s been no indication that this is what either side wants. Drew has said all year that he wants to be careful about using McGrady because of his age and injury history, and McGrady has missed some games this year with back spasms, anyway.
Despite everything, McGrady actually intimated that he’d like to stay with his current team. But, understandably, he’d like to see some more minutes.
"Hopefully, I’m here," he said. "I like it here. I like the guys. That’s what I love most about it. I like the guys in this locker room. But at the same time, I still can play. No doubt in my mind."
This could get interesting if the McGrady minutes continue to be minimal, but for now it looks like he just boiled over in a moment of frustration. If that frustration mounts, however, this could get ugly. Let’s hope that it doesn’t, though.
THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
Do it now
Pau & Morris for Scola, Martin & Buddinger
I’d even be willing to throw them the Dallas 1st round pick we have.
Surround Kobe & Bynum with knock down shooters. Start Glock, Buddinger & Scola. Glock & Budd both shoot over 40% from 3, and Scola is money from 15 ft.
Bring Blake, Martin, Barnes, McRoberts & Murphy off the bench. Fish should have a permanent bench position next to Luke, and Metta should never see the floor unless we are playing a big SG/SF who nobody can stop.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Maybe this one with Minnesota after March 1st?
Pau & a small piece
for
D Williams, Beasley, Barrea & their 2014 1st round pick
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Crazy but effective?
We get no superstars in return, but we maintain size.
We clear a TON of salary space and dump MWP.
We get 3 starters and 2 solid bench players.
To MIN: Pau, MWP
To CLE: Derrick Williams, McRoberts, Ridnour, Odom TPE
To LAL: Sessions, Varejao, Jamison, Pekovic, Beasley
MIN gets their big three: Love, Rubio, Pau. The give up relatively little and have to eat MWP’s contract.
CLE gets a young star in Derrick Williams for Varejao to go with Irving and Thompson. Varejao’s out for a month, so they get a useful replacement in McBob to keep their run going, a replacement backup PG in Ridnour, and salary relief in the Odom TPE.
LAL: We have the pieces to play well now AND gain major salary relief to tinker in the summer. If we’re bold, we might even squeeze a draft pick out of Minny. This does for us what moving Pau did for the Grizzlies: opened up salary space to field a more complete team. It also mirrors Denver’s haul for Melo: we lose talent at the top but add a ton of depth, yet we add that to what Denver doesn’t have: 2 stars in Kobe and Andrew.
- Varejao. He’s not Pau, but he’s a borderline all-star and a solid defender that would not be a big drop-off from our big front line.
- Sessions makes everything run properly. He eases the load on Kobe by creating. He helps us use our size with a P&R offense. This brings Drew closer to his potential.
- Jamison. A former all-star that can start until Varejao gets back, then be a scoring boost off the bench. His $15m comes off the book this summer, and if he works out, we can re-sign him for a decent price.
- Pekovic finally gives us a solid backup to Drew. The guy has a 21 PER, so he’s doing something right. We may actually improve the size advantage we had even when Odom was here.
- Beasley. Decent starting small forward. Barnes off the bench improves our energy and stabilizes rotations. In effect, we’re swapping MWP for Beasley, MIN’s cost for getting Pau for only Derrick Williams. His $6m expires this summer too.
That leaves us with:
PG- Sessions, Blake, Fisher, Morris
SG- Kobe, Goudelock, Kapono*
SF- Beasley, Barnes, Ebanks*, Walton
PF- Varejao, Jamison, Murphy
C- Bynum, Pekovic
*-We’d have to either cut Kapono or send out Ebanks in trade to stay at 15 players.
Trade Machine keeps freezing on me, but I’m 98% sure this works.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
Ive visited the Minny blog,
and i know they arent the minny front office, but they are pretty much calling pekovic untouchable. he is the only decent size they have, and everybody knows that pau really struggles when he has to play the 5.
nice trade though. very creative.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Feb 20, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I never want to see Jamison in purple and gold...
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 20, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
very well created trade
I don’t think Minny would do it though, this leaves their depth chart essentially as weak as the current Lakers…
"Work before Glory"
Minny is very high on Pekovic.
would be awesome to have Pekovic as backup.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Makes sense.
The Lakers’ front office knows Kobe Bryant is looking for it to improve the roster, and GM Mitch Kupchak has been working the phones. He’s spoken to Minnesota about Michael Beasley, and sources say the Lakers are intrigued by the Timberwolves’ small forward. The Lakers were actually in discussions with Minnesota about a potential trade for Beasley before the season started. If they would have been able to pull off the deal for Chris Paul, there is a good chance that a trade for Beasley would have followed.
It’s not clear what the Lakers would give Minnesota for Beasley (if indeed the talks get that far), but the Lakers could absorb Beasley into their $8.9 million trade exception while giving up a draft pick or cash. I’m told the teams have not spoken about Pau Gasol since the preseason. Minnesota is looking to move Beasley, who they feel has matured very little (if at all) since he’s been there, according to sources. The Lakers believe they can handle a player like Beasley because of their winning culture and the leadership of Bryant.
Of course, the Lakers need a point guard even more than a small forward. While they worked out Gilbert Arenas last week, they have not come to a decision on him. They want to see if they can get another point guard, such as Cleveland’s Ramon Sessions, before making a play for Arenas. There’s a good chance they can get Sessions for a first-round draft pick before the deadline, sources say. If they don’t get Sessions or someone else, they may bring Arenas aboard.
There are a few other PGs who could be available. While the Lakers would love to get Houston’s Kyle Lowery, the Rockets plan to build around their vastly-improved point guard. But either of their two backups, Goran Dragic or Jonny Flynn, would be an improvement over what they currently have.
Michael Beasley would easily be an upgrade at the SF spot. He would also provide some production at PF too, if McRoberts isn’t get playing time. I like the idea of the Lakers getting easy buckets in transition with Beasley. Ramon Sessions should be first on the list before Beasley, but if unable to acquire said player, I would certainly settle for Goran Dragic. I’ve always thought he could help the Lakers a lot at PG given his shooting capabilities and his ability to competently run P&R
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/37357/lakers-like-beasley
If we can get Beasley without giving up much - definitely
SF is our second biggest need – mainly on offense…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 20, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
if we get beasley with the odom tpe & pick/cash,
that also frees up the ability to trade mcroberts who is getting no burn on this team. i doubt memphis is still interested because they added speights, but you never know. id easily trade mcroberts & morris/cash for mayo. our bench would be reborn.
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Unless Beasley is amazing, I don’t see the Lakers meeting an 8.9 million qualifying offer next season to keep him, so that’s pretty much giving up a pick to rent a sometimes-great, but-often-bad player. Then again the Lakers usually don’t do anything with first round picks anyway. But then on the other hand, this is supposed to be a pretty deep draft.
He’s definitely a guy who would improve the Lakers short term even if he was only good sometimes, but it’s a tough call as to if it’s worth the sacrifice of the long term.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
i dont want sessions at ALL
id rather let steve blake do his thing lol
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The addition of Ridnour is pretty much the same as adding Jameer Nelson
I just dont see him as much of an upgrade. and it adds to our collection of medicore pgs (fish, blake, morris, glock)
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That's not a bad deal.
You just have to question why Toronto does that. Even if you expand it to take back Kleiza and Barbosa with the TPE, Toronto is only saving about $20 million or so. Unless they think that Pau + [insert top five 2012 pick] + Valanciunas + [big 2012/13 free agent acquisition with all their cap space] is a team that is going to compete, don’t see why they do this.
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Williams or Beasley?
Don’t know much about Williams but I wonder which would be a better fit for the Lakers. From what I am hearing about Beasley, I would take Williams. But if he is complaining about minutes and playing time well good luck getting any on the Lakers.
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Williams is probably the better all around player,
while beasley is pretty much a scorer. you wont get any problems with williams, as is the case with beasley. and i think williams is a much better shooter from 3 point range.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3csy96r Pau and a 1st for Ellis and Biedrins. I think this gives us what we have been missing. Ellis could start or come of the bench, score and handle the basketball. I think the biggest thing lacking for us right now is a offensive threat who can break down defenses. With Kobe out we would have someone who can creat offense. I would start Biedrins at PF and allow McRoberts and Murphy more time off the bench. Also I would get rid of MWP and let Barnes and Ebanks play SF. What do you think?
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Maybe?
Or maybe see if you could get Ellis and Lee. I like Pau but I think now is the time. I don’t think we should even think about dealing Bynum and I think Ellis is exactly what we need.
Unless we're trading Pau for Curry and Lee, there's probably not much to discuss here.
Maybe Ellis and Lee, but that’s debatable.
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in myplayer mode. my team executed that trade. lol
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Speaking seriously though, I really don’t have any belief in Biedrins as… Well… Anything. I guess he rebounds at an okay clip. His numbers there are a bit inflated because of playing on the Warriors, who lack have lacked good rebounders who could potentially ‘take’ some from him. And his defense is, imo, overrated. As far as a power forward goes, I would rather not pay him and give his minutes to McRoberts, and get a first rounder.
As far as Ellis vs Pau goes, I’ll take Pau. Pau’s defense has had more impact than Bynum’s this season, and Ellis’ is eh. While Ellis is a little better than Pau offensively(I guess?), I’ll take Pau’s defense over it any day. That, and the power forward position is simply more important than the point guard position with players like Kobe and Bynum, who are much less reliant on a playmaker than normal players at their position.
That, and the power forward position is simply more important than the point guard position with players like Kobe and Bynum, who are much less reliant on a playmaker than normal players at their position.
So…you would prefer having Pau right now rather than Chris Paul? I agree with most everything else, but definitely think that a playmaker at the point would be enormously beneficial for everyone since creating offense is such a struggle for everyone. Kobe’s handle has deteriorated, as has his first step and quickness, so he needs someone to help him get to his spots or get him easy stuff as he moves off the ball, cuts, and flashes to the rim. A lot of Bynum’s buckets also come on dives to the basket, alley-oops, and similar. Give him a point guard who can work a nice pick-and-roll game with him and it only becomes easier for him to get scoring opportunities, and opens up the entire floor if bigs are chasing a point around the perimeter. Same with Pau, who is even more versatile in these situations because he works off the pick-and-pop as well.
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That's not what I'm saying.
I know that the Lakers would benefit a lot from Kobe having less ball handling responsibilities, and Bynum getting more plays called for him. But what I’m saying is that, with players who can create for themselves(Kobe+Bynum) and assuming equal talent, I’d take a big over a point. While I like how Blake has been playing the Lakers’ backups at both spots are pretty bad. In the hypothetical scenario of Monta vs Pau, if both are equally skilled (I don’t think they are, but whatever) I’d take Pau.
Obviously CP3 is a lot better than Pau. I’d make that trade the first second I could, no questions asked. But, at least in my opinion, a big of equal skill is better for this Lakers squad than a guard of equal skill.
I disagree pretty strongly there.
Assuming a point of equal competence to Pau (which is say, Deron Williams or even Kyle Lowry, not Ellis; I’d argue that Ellis is an inferior player to Pau because of his below average efficiency, crap defense, and so-so distributing ability), I’ll take the point every time. Kobe and Bynum don’t really create opportunities for themselves, or at least, not in an overly effective manner. Whenever they’re scoring, they’re doing so since they’ve been given the ball in their spots rather than manufacturing something from nothing.
The diminishing of Kobe’s first step means that he has to be fed on curls or post-ups, and he’s really been most effective off the ball nowadays. You could argue that Kobe hurts the offense more often than not whenever he has a defender sized up at the arc and has to get a shot over him. It’s all fakes and misdirection since he can’t really get by them with his current first step quickness. He also isn’t that effective at creating opportunities for others because he doesn’t penetrate all that much and doesn’t have the handle or speed to get loose off the pick-and-roll. He still commands a ton of attention because he’s deadly with an inch of space, but he’s much weaker against traps and heavy doubles than he used to be, and isn’t really creating insomuch as he’s getting open shots in the flow of the offense.
Same for Drew since he has to be fed on the low block, doesn’t have a consistent midrange jumper (yet), and isn’t really a threat to face-up (although he’s getting better at that). The Pau from two years ago definitely could create from nearly any spot from the high post downwards because he was such a threat between his jumper, passing and dribbling ability, but Bynum’s a far cry from that. He’s a great post-up option, but he’s not “creating” opportunities more than he’s getting his fill, like Kobe, through the regular offense.
Which brings us back to the issue of a point guard versus Pau since a solid point can effectively feed both Kobe and Drew in their spots, and removes much of the stagnation in our current offense because we don’t really have someone that can do that consistently. The current iteration of Pau can to some degree, but we’re not in the triangle anymore and Pau can’t dictate everything from the high post as he used to do. We’re getting our buckets purely through execution, screens, and heavy post-up play, and it’s torturous since they don’t really have an easy way to manufacture buckets. Get a real point, run the pick-and-roll — which this offense is supposed to have as a major component — and things open up for everyone else. We already see it whenever Blake comes in and he’s just a serviceable backup. Someone like Williams or even Lowry would help both Kobe and Drew way more than Pau does currently since the sheer difficulty to putting either of those guys in their spots effectively disappears (or at least, is made significantly easier). For instance, if Lowry runs a pick-and-roll with Bynum, and drives into the middle of the floor, he has innumerable options in front of him because the defense has to react to the threat of his penetration far more than they would to say Pau receiving the ball in the high post. Lowry can, depending on what the defense offers, go all the way to the rim, rise up for a midrange jumper, pass to Drew on the roll, get Kobe flashing to the rim from the wing, get Murphy spotting up on the opposite side, and so forth. It’s what the offense was designed around (and why it worked with Avery Johnson and Tony Parker) and how it was intended to work, but doesn’t because we simply lack a real point. Again, in the triangle, a lot of this isn’t true, but with a more conventional offense right now, we simply can’t operate well without a traditional point, and it’s hard to say that a point on Pau’s level isn’t preferable to him right now.
Granted, this is also why we only need a middling point — in other words, Sessions — to make this all work because our top three are so good, but he’s still the piece that links together the rest of the roster and makes this thing work. The better the point, the more that factor is magnified. Jim and Mitch knew what they were doing when they got Paul and this was what they were intending.
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Agree
I agree with a lot of what you just said. The real problems we have is when Bynum,Pau and Kobe are on te floor with whoever else the is no room or spacing. Kobe predomintantly post fromthe wing Bynum is down low and and Pau is left standing 15-18 ft from basket. It seems to me that when your best 3 players are on the floor that you should play your best, but we don’t teams just pack the lane just like 2 nights ago against OKC. We could’nt score and even worse we are making it hard and Andrew because he simply lacks space when he post up. My point by saying Ellis and Lee is that I feel Ellis can shoot 3’s, penetrate and avg.s 5 assista game. Bottom line in a series a OKC Bynum,Lee,Barnes, Kobe,Ellis IMO is better than Bynum,Pau,Barnes,Kobe, and Fish or Blake.
by Nickroc2384 on Feb 25, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Also
I don’t think at this point its about comparing players to Pau. We are not going tom get equal value for Pau and I’m not saying Ellis is better thaan Pau or that Lee can fill Pau’s spot. At this point it’s about getting the most from what we have. If we stick with this team we will not beat OKC in a 7 game series. If we make this move IMO we give ourselves a better chance. I think to you will see Bynum really become dominant like 30pts a night. And give me Ellis ovr Lowery or Sessions for what we need.
by Nickroc2384 on Feb 25, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Ellis over Lowry?! No way, not even close... Not that it matters.
Honestly I think Felton might be our best option at point if he is indeed available, better on defense, has the ability to be a really good pg. As long as he gets his head where it needs to be… And it shouldn’t require us giving up Pau.
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 25, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
That being said, Pau for Monta/Lee is definitely one of the better deals I've heard...
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 25, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I don't want to trade Gasol...
and if we can’t get DWill then here is no reason to do so. Thus, I really think if we can trade a 1st round pick for Ramon Sessions and use the Odom exception for Beasley then we are a legit contender in the West.
Or….. if we have a win right now mentality, trade a 1st Rounder and trade exception to the Suns for Steve Nash. I prefer the Sessions and Beasley option but it’s something to think about with Nash.
Can we stick this at the top of the thread?
The TPE cannot be used to take in a salary bigger than the amount if is listed for ($8.9 million). Would kill a bunch of illegal trade ideas.
Moreover, we can’t just trade a “first for Sessions.” If you’re not taking him into the TPE, you have to send something in return and that adds another layer of complication.
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by Ben R on Feb 23, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Done.
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I tried, but it wouldn't fit on the page.
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Minor fix.
NOTE: The TPE cannot be used to take in a salary bigger than the amountifit is listed for ($8.9 million).
Many thanks for sticking it up there.
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But can't you trade a first and ...
the proverbial $3M cash (allowed once per year now).
Or do you have to include a warm body?
Since Sessions makes about $4.3M, you’d be awfully close to the 125% + $100K needed.
Add Kapono or Ebanks (both are expiring) and you’re there.
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It only supplements the deal. It can’t stand in for a player.
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Disclaimer: not a Lakers, Hawks or Cavs fan
Maybe I am unbiased, maybe a fool.
How about this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87jm2og
Lakers: Sessions, Josh Smith, Atlanta 2012 1st pick
Hawks: Gasol
Cavs: Hinrich cap space and one of the Lakers 3 first round picks
Why the Cavs do that deal? Well, a first for Sessions, speeding up the rebuilding process (I didn’t give them the Hawks’ first ‘cause the Lakers could want to give them their worst first, for example). That’s it.
The Hawks? Horford’s injury hurt but Gasol is (presently) the best player of the trade. Next year, with a fully healed Horford, they could throw a Teague/Johnson/Williams/Horford/Gasol line up at the Bulls and Heat. Not sure if it is enough to beat them, but that will certainly put a scare on them.
The Lakers? They get a lot younger, more athletic and more balanced (and to me, better overall). Not a fan of Sessions from a defensive standpoint, but he is a good passer and a good pick ‘n’ roll player. Even more important, they hold onto Bynum and 2 firsts to try to pry Howard away from the Magic (and a Smith/Howard frontline is kinda enticing, no?). And they would still have the Odom TPE to add a SF or scoring punch off the bench. Anyway that gives the Lakers more flexibility going forward.
To be honest, I am a Spurs fan so I hope it doesn’t happen.
Peace.
I'm not sold on Josh Smith.
Don’t think Sessions is that much of an upgrade on Blake. With a short season, and still need to learn MB’s system, I doubt Sessions will be much help.
by 4ever Lakers on Feb 24, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
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What about Tyreke Evans?
Now that the Kings have Isaiah Thomas (not that Isaiah Thomas) going Linsane in his first three games it seems like Tyreke is expendable. Would be nice to have a tall guard to run the P&R for the Lake Show. Plus, the Kings could use a real PF (Gasol) since Cousins is a reject and doesn’t get along with the coach/management.
I really like Isaiah Thomas,
but I don’t think he’s a full-time starting PG. Don’t think Kings would give up Tyreke.
by 4ever Lakers on Feb 24, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Tyreke Evans expendable? He is their franchise player
If anyone is expendable, it be Jimmer Fredette now that the 60th pick, Isaiah Thomas, is outplaying the 10th pick at PG.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7hdg67x
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Feb 25, 2012 1:25 PM PST reply actions
Fat chance.
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Will this work?
Lakers get: Howard, Beasley and Barea
Wolves get: Gasol
Magic get: Bynum and Derrick Williams
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by Kobe:The Legend on Feb 25, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions
If we really want Howard, this can possibly go down...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8ytfz7k
Considering the rockets have already traded scola and martin once in a 3 way deal with us, and the magic will be left with nothing if Howard walks during FA.
What do you guys think?
by Kobe THE Greatest on Feb 26, 2012 2:36 AM PST reply actions
This is the trade Jim was proposing the other night at the bar
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=749dh79
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 26, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
If you guys had pulled off that trade around, say, 2000, no other team could have gotten off a shot.
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McRoberts, 1st round pick for Ramon Sessions
Lakers get their desired point guard w/o using their trade exception
Cavs get another pick and a young big man to replace Varejao
As a Cavs fan
Hell no. Sessions is an above average PG. We’re going to want more for him than a late first rounder and a crappy backup big man.
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But rumor is all they want is a 1st, so...
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 26, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
The latest report was lottery pick.
Since that won’t happen because a team in the lottery isn’t going to be looking for a player like Sessions, I think we’ll be looking for a first rounder+a solid prospect to match that value.
Now if, say, Goudelock or D-Mo was on the table, we could talk.
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Lottery pick is ridiculous... He's a flawed player...
I would give up Morris for him. Goudelock – no…
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 26, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
sessions is not that valuable
There are way to many quality PG in the league for him to be above average and worthy of a lottery pick.
Well, good luck finding a different PG, I guess.
Because the Cavs aren’t giving him up for a bad player and a bad pick.
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Then you'll lose him for nothing.
You’ll get a first and maybe McBobs, but no sane team is giving you a better pick than one in the 20s for Sessions.
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I don't think he's worth McBobs...
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by x Nightwing x on Feb 27, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
i don't care about what the lakers get
i am clipper fan, but no one is going to give you a loterry pick for him, the laker first rounder is going to be around the 23rd, you could ask for the better of the mavs or lakers pick and that would be better than just losing sessions that plus goudelocks or morris.
Like I said, if that pick came with Goudelock or Morris it would be worth it.
But simply stockpiling bad picks isn’t the way to go. We have two first rounders coming up from Miami, we potentially have a first rounder coming up from the Kings (if they can ever get out of the top ten), and we have all of our own picks for the foreseeable future. That’s a hell of a lot of rookies coming up, and adding another one just for the sake of adding one wouldn’t be a good thing. But if the pick came with someone who’s a good prospect, I’d be happy with it.
People act like good PGs grow on trees, and though guard play is pretty good throughout the league, guys like Sessions aren’t readily available- especially at this point in the year. The Lakers could definitely have some competition for him, and that drives up the price.
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Goudelock or Morris for Sessions wont work in terms of salary
unless the Lakers use there trade exception, but they need the trade exception for Beasley or a Orlando deal.
Can the Lakers still use the Vujacic trade exception?
you can't use the exception for the Orlando Deal
Exceptions and players can’t be used together
the 8.9 million trade exception can be use to get Jameer nelson in a Orlando deal
the exception can absorb Jameer’s 8.6 million salary
For example:
Lakers trade: Bynum(14.9mil), Gasol(18.7mil)
Magics trade: Howard(18.1mil), Turkgolu(11.1mil), Nelson(8.6mil)
Howard, Gasol and Bynum,Tukgolu salaries nearly matches but adding Nelson’s contract would make the Lakers acquire too much salary. Lakers can use the trade exception to absorb that contract.
no you can't
At least not in the same deal. It would have to be on a separate deal.
Deal 1
Lakers trade: Bynum and Pau for Howard and Hedo
Deal 2
Lakers trade: TPE for Nelson.
The TPE can be used in the same deal.
It works as a separate one as far as the salaries are concerned, but it can all be done in one transaction.
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Neither of those picks are coming in this draft.
And you guys are in no situation to say that you don’t need more picks since the roster is basically bare. A stocked veteran team can say that picks are superfluous, not the Cavs. Either way, the Kings would have to start making the playoffs for you to get their pick, which is a tall order, and Miami’s picks are going to perpetually be at the bottom of the first round. There’s almost no downside to getting a pick in the 20s for a player who is almost certainly leaving in Sessions. Moreover, since you guys aren’t exactly a free agent destination, stockpiling as many assets as you can to make trades for major players is necessary.
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by Ben R on Feb 27, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Take a big risk with a big payoff
In a nutshell, trade Bynum and Gasol for Deron Williams, then hope Dwight forces his way to LA. If Deron’s here, he’s not going to either NJN or DAL as a free agent.
To NJN: Bynum, Derrick Williams, 1st Round pick from DAL
To MIN: Pau Gasol
To LAL: Deron Williams, Humphires, Pekovic, Beasley
Then wait for the offseason and offer a sign-and-trade: Humphries, Pekovic, Odom TPE, and our 1st Round pick for Dwight and pieces. It’s a crap deal for ORL compared to what they can get now, but if they play chicken with Dwight, and Deron’s already here, they’ll have no choice but to take it.
If ORL refuses, we offer that same deal to ANY team with cap space to sign-and-trade Dwight. Those are some solid pieces to get for nothing, especially for DAL if they lose both these guys. The only issue is will Dwight take 4 years instead of 5, to which I say yes, because he’s going to get another big contract and get paid that money anyway.
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There is so much wrong with this scenario.
For starters, Bynum AND Gasol for Williams? No. That trade is just atrocious.
Secondly, you can’t use the TPE like that.
Third, Orlando is in no position to trade Howard at the season’s end. If he wants to, he can come to LA.
Only the original team (Orlando) can make the S+T. And you are really underestimating the financial motivation in the NBA.
Also, Minnesota has made it known that Pekovic is unavailable.
Just as atrocious as
Sending away Vlade Divac for an unknown rookie, then losing your bench in a salary dump dumping your bench (Peeler and Lynch) for nothing with no guarantee you’ll get a replacement center.
I did say it was a risk with a big payoff.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.
Lol
You know Dwill’s contract is expiring after this year too, so they him and Dwight could just join forces elsewhere
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Wait, I'm wrong nvm.
Apparently it’s two years
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
No, he can opt out after this year...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 28, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm
Well then that’s the riskiest dumbest if it fails/pure genius if it works idea I’ve ever heard
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
yea, that was the idea
Kind of a mirror of the Shaq/Kobe acquisition in that the Lakers gave up a ton without any guarantees.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.
hmmmm...dont know how ifeel about this
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." -Kobe Bryant
@LarryCoon
I think Lakers would want Bass [over O’Neal]. RT @HebertofNH: any credence to the ny post column in thinking that Gasol will go for Rondo/ Jermaine O’neal
This is just Coon stating impressions rather than actual discussions, but if this was the case, I’d be more than fine with something like that. Fill the hole at the four with a decent stopgap and obviously upgrade at the point. If we can get something like that done and not have to use the TPE, that would be pretty good, as the only clear need becomes at the three, where we could try for Marvin Williams (as Atlanta apparently just wants salary relief) or Michael Beasley.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
It already seems like we're robbing the Celts before they throw in Bass though...
It would be fantastic for us though…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 26, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, if you're willing to take Walton and MWP in return.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
hell yeah the Lakers would want bass over O'neal
THE BANDWAGON: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
:(
Gerald Green will sign with the New Jersey Nets tomorrow, says Fox Sports’ Sam Amico (via Twitter). Green is currently a member of the D-League’s Los Angeles D-Fenders, and was the MVP of yesterday’s D-League All-Star game. He has averaged 19.1 points in 22 games on the season.
Green last appeared in the NBA in 2009 as a member of the Dallas Mavericks when he averaged 5.2 points in about 10 minutes per game. The Nets will be his fifth NBA franchise, as the forward also had stops in Boston, Houston and Minnesota.
Haha, man im not getting trapped in this room
Yal get too creative, my head is already spining this weekend
by Ballinsohard on Feb 26, 2012 7:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If we seriously must trade
rockets get: gasol, j. nelson, jj redick
lakers get: dwight, turk, lowry
magic get: bynum, martin, scola
just add fillers and picks as needed.
this only works if the rockets are as high on gasol as everyone makes it seem, cuz i dnt see them giving up lowry any other way. the magic want way to much but instead of getting bynum and gasol, this would be just as close.
or
lakers get: dwight, turk, jameer, and keep the picks they have now
magic get: pau and bynum
lakers are gutting it some, but with the “sheed” signing and kept picks we should have enough pieces to swing one more trade for a valuable piece
I think this trade is pretty harsh on the Rockets,
it’s a lot more likely if the Lakers took Jameer instead of Lowry. I don’t know if I’d make that trade if I was the Lakers’ FO, but still.
Per 2012Celtic
There has been a rush of trade rumors surrounding Gasol for Rondo. Do you Lakers fans think its a right trade?
Lakers Line-up:
PG Rondo/Fisher/Blake
SG Kobe/Kapono
SF Barnes/Peace
PF McBob/Murphy
C Bynum(Remember, Dwight may come since Rondo’s in LA)
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Thunder.
Tweetness
Celtics fan, so we'll forgive him for not knowing our entire roster...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 27, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hope this is just Magic's wishful thinking...
The Magic send Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson to the Lakers for Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. The Toronto Raptors are also part of the rumor sending Jose Calderon to Orlando, although no one is quite sure what would complete that part of the trade.
Jimmy & Chaz are not that stupid! I hope…
Switch out Nelson for Anderson and I'll do that trade without the Raptors being in it.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Feb 28, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 28, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
3 team trade with the Hawks and Magic
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7efp9q2
Lakers get Howard, Hedo, Hinrich, and Anderson
Hawks get Gasol
Magic get Bynum and Josh Smith
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Feb 28, 2012 4:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
this worked!

how you doin'
Twitter: @bluefalcon916
by bluexfalcon on Feb 28, 2012 7:04 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Make it grape flavored and you've got a deal...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 28, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol you are a fool.
grape drink!
PART-TIME FANS:: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
Last year the lakers trade vujacic and a 2011 first round pick to Nets for Joe Smith and 2 2011 second round picks
the 2011 first round pick became MarShon Brooks while the 2 second round picks turnout to be chukwudiebere maduabum and ater majok.
Why did the Lakers do this trade?
Ater Majok is crazy.
7’7 wingspan FTW
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
What do you guys think of this....
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wspmoo
Lakers give up Gasol, Barnes & the Dallas 1st round pick for Scola, Lowry & Thabeet.
I originally had Blake in the deal instead of Barnes, but felt HOU wasnt getting enough in return.
We get a replacement for Pau at the 4. Scola isnt nearly as good but has a decent post up game, hustles & has a nice 15 foot jumper. He opens up the post for more work by Bynum & Kobe. Lowry is the main piece in this deal. He becomes our 35 mpg starter and Fish is sent to the bench. He may get spot minutes, but Blake should remain the backup PG. Thabeet is just to make the salaries match. He is a raw project, and could get Bynum some rest for roughly 10 mpg. We lose Barnes, but with Lowry, now at the point, we have more offensive options, so he an strictly worry about defense and hitting corner 3’s. Ebanks would have to step up and play the backup 3 spot.
We would still have the Odom TPE to go out and find a decent bench scorer, or maybe McRoberts & Morris can still get us Mayo. Id love to see this lineup:
PG: Lowry, Blake, Fish
SG: Kobe, Mayo, Glock
SF: Metta, Ebanks, Walton
PF: Scola, Murphy
C: Bynum, Thabeet
You only have 13 on the roster, so you could sign a PF/C vet like Wallace to sure up the front court.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
SF looks terrible...if we use McRoberts & Morris to get Mayo
Could we also use the TPE to get Beasley?
Go Sharks!
so
Gasol, Barnes, Dallas 1st for Scola, Lowry, Thabeet
McRoberts, Morris for Mayo
8.9M TPE for Beasley
Then sign Wallace to sure up the front court as you said?
PG: Lowry, Blake, Fisher
SG: Kobe, Mayo, Glock
SF: Beasley, MWP, Ebanks/Walton
PF: Scola, Murphy
C: Bynum, Thabeet, Wallace
Go Sharks!
beasley was involved in that trade i posted,
but you could also use the tpe on marvin williams.
considering every other position will be set except for the 3, im ok with rolling with metta and ebanks. you could also continue to play blake and glock off the bench at the 1 and 2 position, and then try to swing mcroberts for a sf. either or, i really like the lineup you listed, with williams in there instead of beasley.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Feb 29, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Per gill0137. You can place your grades in your replies.
I’m always annoyed at homer-istic trade ideas, so I like to test my trade hypothesis against the reaction of the other team’s fans. This one is tricky since it’s a three way, but there seems to be some smoke with all these players. Here is the trade:
Memphis Receives – PF Josh McRoberts, PG Steve Blake, Memphis’ 2013 1st Round pick (this pick is currently owned by the Wolves and is lottery protected)
Lakers receive – F Michael Beasley, PG Jeremy Pargo
Wolves receive – SG OJ Mayo, Lakers 2012 2nd round pick
As a Lakers fan, how would you grade the trade for the Lakers?
A: Terrific Trade
B+
B: This is a good trade
C+
C: I could take it or leave it
D: is for dumb trade
F: Terrible trade
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
Borderline B-C+
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Per BLA@yc
Can we still build a team around Kobe Bryant? In most cases people would say yes; however, the real question is how much longer can they 3,4,5 years. That being said if your going to make that investment you must be willing to give up on the future and focus strictly on the now. Its hard to imagine the Lakers making a big time splash without parting with picks and key players on their current roster. Moreover, they must be willing to be apart of a multi team trade that can help them enhance their chances of getting top players. Below a put down a scenario where the Lakers can acquire D.Howard, Steve Nash and Antwan Jamison.
What Each Team Gives:
Suns: Steve Nash, Marcin Gortat
Lakers: Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Steve Blake, 3 1st Round Picks
Cavs: Anderson Varejao, Antawn Jamison, Ramon Sessions, Cavs 1st Round Pick
Magic: Dwight Howard
What Each Team Gets:
Suns: Cavs 1st, Lakers 1st (Odom trade), Anderson Varejao, Ramon Sessions
Lakers: Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Antawn Jamison
Cavs: Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake
Magic: Pau Gasol, Marcin Gortat, Lakers 1st Round Pick in 2012 and 2013
Lakers Finshed Product
D. Howard
A. Jamison
R. Artest
K. Bryant
S. Nash
Pros: Howard instantly gives them a dominate defensive presence, Jamison gives them another great scorer out of the forward position, and Steve Nash not only can dominate the pick and roll offensive with Howard, but can run the entire offense to allow Kobe to just focus on scoring.
Cons: 1.l lack depth
2. Very small window of 3-5 years to win with this roster.
Let me know what you think
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
It IS probably the best deal ever for CLE...
ORL and PHX get ripped though…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Feb 29, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
very bold thinking....
too risky for me. God forbid any injury, otherwise, Lakers would be doomed for 5 ~ 10 years.
by 4ever Lakers on Feb 29, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Any injury?
I can’t think of alot of injuries that last for 5-10 years…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
with any inury, the window to Championship is all but shut, due to
the advanced age of Nash, Kobe & Jamison. And we lost the flexibility to draft or trade good talents. 5 ~ 10 years is to rebuild the Lakers back up, if FO is capable enough.
As a Cavs fan I'd do it.
The only pieces of that trade that really hurt are Andy (who’s underrated, but should have been in the running for an All Star spot) and the first rounder, which could turn into a high pick (but could also end up in that 12-15 range). I’d be willing to part with both in return for Bynum.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
what do you think about this trade?
According to John Carroll of ESPN, the Lakers could acquire Kirk Hinrich by dealing rookie Darius Morris and a first-round pick to the Atlanta Hawks.
I don’t see the point in loading up on mediocre point guards.
by Aaron Y on Feb 29, 2012 2:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
exactly my thought.
thats what we did with blake, and that hasnt worked out. we need a bonified starter to kick fisher to the bench.
im really hoping we can get lowry.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Well, when we got him, we thought Blake was that bona fide starter who could take the job from Fisher.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
true, but that was the triangle offense. in Brown’s offense, “Bona fide” carries with it different and higher expectations. so I don’t think this is and will be a recurring thing, but a different circumstance.
by Aaron Y on Feb 29, 2012 4:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Considering Blake had never played in the triangle before last season, I'd say he's more of a bona fide starter this year than last.
And he is having a better season this year than last.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
bona fide?
not quite yet.
still waiting for Blake to prove he’s worthy, and make considering Sessions, Felton’s irrelevant.
by 4ever Lakers on Feb 29, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
If he's better than Fisher, which he is, he's a bona fide starter.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
Still like Blake to prove that with more games.
but MB doesn’t seem to be helping Blake in that regard.
or maybe MB doesn’t want other teams to know how good Blake is, and ask for him in a trade?!
Blake is playing plenty. In case you've forgotten, he was out for a month with a rib injury and has only been back a few weeks.
Since he’s returned, he’s done very well overall and has been playing a lot of minutes. You can’t expect that he’s suddenly going to start just because you want him to.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
if u recall in last nite's game, just as Blake is hot shooting those 3,
MB substituted Fisher in. Besides, I never advocate Blake starting. Just want Blake to play more min than Fish & Glock getting more minutes.
Wouldn’t mind giving Morris another chance, either.
Morris needs to go to the D-League. He is not ready for the NBA.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
"KOBE BROKE HIS NOSE WHAT A F888888 FAKER HE GOT MID CONCUSSION MORE LIKE HE DIDNT GET NOTHING AND MADE IT UP FOR MORE ATTENTION WHAT A PRE MODANA" - EXER123
Tweetness
Here's my trade
Gasol and a first-round draft pick to Minnesota
Barea, Beasley, Howard to LA
Bynum and D. Williams to Orlando
Best haul Orlando will get (two young franchise players)
Best haul LA is going to get atm (PG, SF, and C)
Best value for Minnesota (D-Will, Beasley, Barea for Gasol and draft picks) They have indicated they like this idea.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Have already heard that trade on the news a few days ago
Pass.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Trade Scenario 2
Gasol and Bynum to Orlando
Turkoglu, Nelson, Howard to LA
We get a PF/SF, a PG, and Howard.
Magic get the best deal they can get AND unload both of their killer contracts.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
That is a great trade for the Magic.
But I’m not quite sure that it makes US better
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Cause it doesn't
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 1, 2012 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks captain obvious
Cookie 4 youz
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Mmm, cuhkies...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Mar 1, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
a curious case about the Celtics
Next year, Celtic players with considerable amount of contract are rondo, pierce and bass. If they can trade rondo and bass w/o getting back another contract (or players with minimum salaries), they can sign both howard and williams with a max salaries and they will still have about $10m to play around. Then they can re-sign both allen and KG for $5m each.
Boston’s Starting 5 will be: the veteran Big 3 + Howard&Williams.. Oh my, I hope Howard and Williams did not know this.. OMG! hehe..
No one wants to go there
There is only one place that players would love to play in that is in a cold city and that is NY.
PART-TIME FANS:: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
actually, if Howard & D-Will are serious about winning the final game of the season.
that’s as close to a guarantee as it gets. And if Howard does not mind carrying the torch of Bill Russel and Parish.
1st day of March has come & gone...
still no trade xross the league. Sure is different from the start of this season.
Different is good.
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Mar 1, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
RE: The Lakers FO trying to "dump" salary
First, I think the first part of this article is worth reading: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/27/sports/la-sp-lakers-fyi-20110427
The article talks about how a lot of the Lakers staff was not going to be re-signed after last summer anyway. Weren’t these decisions made even before Jim Buss was officially running the show? And honestly speaking, Bynum and Ariza have been the only good scouting moves I’ve seen from the Lakers over the past few years, nothing else pops to mind.
Second, if the FO was that serious about straight salary dumps, why have they not axed MWP’s deal yet? He is no longer a fan favorite (at least not on the court) and I doubt Little Buss would get any serious flak over it. To put it in perspective, cutting Artest would save Buss over 40 million dollars over the next three years in salary and luxury tax. That’s a shit ton of money.
Overall, I am not buying in to all of the “Jim Buss is an idiot” hoopla that’s all over the place these days, at least not yet. I do not think that he is completely averse to taking on salary, as some people have suggested. I do think he is actively trying to cut salary where possible though, which I think is very important going forward if we want any flexibility.
That said, I honestly believe that Kupchak is burning away the phones right now trying to make something big happen. The more I think about it, the less optimistic I am that Pau will remain a Laker after the trade deadline. If he’s still a Laker, it won’t be because of a lack of effort from Mitch.
I do think Mitch’s job is extremely difficult in his situation, as he has to make a trade that will cut cost, bring in strong pieces for the future while still upgrading the current roster to contend immediately. Either that, or bring in players that will enable the Lakers to make a solid push for 2 more rings, then have their deals expire in 2014 when the Lakers should have some cap space.
There a lot of teams that are not happy with their current squad/have expendable players that the Lakers can still get. I’m assuming that Kupchak is trying to bring in Dwight and flip Pau for pieces/Rondo. If that does not work, plan B is probably to keep Bynum and flip Pau, and plan C is to pick up pieces if all else fails. Don’t be surprised if absolutely nothing happens until right before the trade deadline. Hold tight, keep the faith, enjoy the game and thank God that you are a Laker fan.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 1, 2012 8:56 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
this saddens me:
interview with Lon Babby, President of Basketball Operations with the Suns, giving specific reasons why he won’t trade Nash as long as Nash wants to stay.
http://arizonasports.com/templates/audio_player.php?a=16648&type=s
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 1, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Holly shite! I'm with all of the optimism this has to offer.
I’m with you.
PART-TIME FANS:: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
don't let your optimism blind you.
we’ll see come 3-15.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
yes, I remember reading that.
but we don’t know how involved Jimmy was with that decision.
And I don’t think Dr. Buss would pinch penny on players, but it has to be in line with the big picture. I agree Mitch & Lakers are most likely executing the A,B,C plans you outlined. But,
still cannot understand, why Lakers is keeping such a lean scouting/FO. After all, we are already more than 1/2 into the season.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't agree with their scouting personnel decision at all
The only way it makes sense is if they are lower level scouts reporting to Kupchak or someone else with experience. Three inexperience scouts running the entire scouting operation would be fucking retarded.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
with the new CBA, I understand why Lakers want to scout more of the college games...
but not at the expense of scouting NBA!
besides, from what we know, Ronnie Lester is well respected in the industry.
And, he is a LAKER! Dr. Buss used to always take care of any Laker.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder what Lester is doing now?
Maybe he wanted to retire
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
There are plenty of reasons for an organization to decide to depart with a long-time employee
Not that many reasons to replace the aforementioned seasoned veteran with 3 newbies though.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Guys, we all bash Jim too much...
What has the Jim Buss regime done?
Not rehired a whole bunch of guys (they were going to go anyway)
Hired a really good defensive coach who Kobe really supports.
Hired a great supporting coaching staff filled with top-flight talent (Kuester, Messina, etc.)
Almost pulled off a coup (CP3 trade) and was planning on then adding DH12
Used every bit of cap space available to sign Troy Murphy, Josh McRoberts.
Drafted Andrew Goudelock who has adequately replaced Brown’s production at SG even though G-lock was a 2nd round pick.
Traded Odom after the CP3 trade blew up and got a sizable exception back along with a draft pick. (Sure, slightly questionable but not so bad after seeing how Odom’s been playing). Odom might even be waived soon.
Inquiring about trades for Ramon Sessions, Beasley, Dwight Howard, etc.
Mike Brown meanwhile has somehow worked with this roster:
PF: Gasol (trade rumors), Murphy (bit player, no D), McRoberts (no minutes now, no D)
C: Bynum (injury risk, no backup)
SF: MWP (atrocious O, average D, headcase), Barnes (atrocious D, average O, headcase), Ebanks (can’t get minutes because other two would be offended, still learning)
SG: Kobe Bryant (G.O.A.T., old, injured), Goudelock (rookie, small, still learning), Kapono (no D, no O)
PG: Fisher (older than Methuselah, plays like him too, demands respect though), Blake (not good enough to beat out Fisher, still not amazing)
After seeing what we have to work with, the contract lengths that were negotiated back in the 2008-2010 era, and the circumstances, I think the Jim Buss regime hasn’t done any worse than anyone else would have done. We’ll see.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
by D.S.T. on Mar 2, 2012 5:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I"m with you. The jury is still out on him. Not worried yet. He's had a great mentor
in his dad. Lets see what happens.
PART-TIME FANS:: Championship? lol you’ve gotta b kidding. - Emmceee /we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon / We arent winning anything this year - Lakergirl / we aren’t winning anything this yurrrrr - Tkuang /I expect them to make it past the first round, but I will be very happy if they make it past the second.- Gil M. / We aren’t gonna win anything this year, dude - Aethereal / don't think we will win anything this year. Seriously-CLDPC / I’m not expecting something big from this Lakers team this season - Yoshifan
I am also cautiously optimistic.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
we just want some place to dump our frustration.
plus the window with Kobe is not getting wider.
Again, we’ll see come 3-15.
but I really like how you detail our roster.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Devin Harris
why aren’t the lakers pursuing a trade for him?
#answered
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 2, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
K, I've got a 4 team trade that (i think) works in everyones favor.
(I know 4 team trades wont happen due to over complicating things by having 4 teams demanding certain things, but it was fun to throw this together)
Lakers want an elite PG and a replacement for whoever they are trading.
Rockets want height and a star
Celtics want value for Rondo & height
Timberwolves want a starting SG
Lakers receive Scola & Lowry, while giving up Pau & Morris
Rockets receive Pau, Rondo & Morris, while giving up Lowry, Scola, Martin & Dragic
Celtics receive Beasley, Williams & Dragic, while giving up Rondo & Peitrus
Timberwolves receive Martin & Peitrus, while giving up Beasley & Williams
Why for the Lakers: They get their PG of the future and a decent fill-in for the void at PF. Bynum & Kobe get more room to roam in the post with Lowry and Scola spreading the floor. Both players cost less than Pau, and both are signed for 3 years, the same length as Kobe’s contract. (Scola is signed for 4, but his last year is not guaranteed)
Why for the Rockets: They finally get the height they have been looking for and the star as well. Well, actually they get two stars. They pretty much revamp their roster, but they have great depth and the transition shouldn’t be that hard with Pau & Rondo leading the way. Morris is thrown in as a project to be Rondo’s backup. I believe they will still have some cap room to make some noise in free agency next year.
Why for the Celtics: Rondo seems unhappy where he is right now. So trade him for youth and expiring contracts, as it seems they are trying to be players in next seasons free agency market. Beasley and Dragic are both expiring, while Williams is a nice piece for the future. And he will have a great mentor in Garnett. Dragic can fill the void at PG and Beasley & Williams are both nice pieces to have off of the bench. Williams gives them some size they are wanting.
Why for the Timberwolves: They really need a SG. Martin is a capable starter, who will put up the numbers they have wanted from that position. You lose Williams, but he isn’t going to be getting the playing time behind Love. They also get Peitrus to try and fill in for Beasley as the scoring option off the bench. They would most likely be given a pick to make the deal work (probably from Boston).
*Picks may have to be involved to even things out, but I think this is a fairly even trade across the board.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I fail.
why is this a reply?
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
well, certainly the Rockets wouldn’t mind that trade.
by Aaron Y on Mar 2, 2012 11:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Good thinking.
I don’t entirely like Scola as our starting PF though, I would try to see if we could get someone else instead of him.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
the luck Lakers has with the last 2 F/A class...
Harris would probably need to be sent down to D-League after he comes to LA.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
and Charlotte would do this because?
I live in Charlotte. They are pitching him as an All-star type.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
They have a replacement already though...
I’m not saying it’s a good trade for them, but it’s not as crazy as some of the suggested CHA trades…
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 2, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
agreed. plus, they like starting Augustin and Kemba together in the backcourt. and before all the injuries, it was pretty effective. If they were to trade him though, it would have to be for more than just McBobs.
by Aaron Y on Mar 2, 2012 11:17 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Augustin is worth more than McBobs
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
K, I've got a 4 team trade that (i think) works in everyones favor.
(I know 4 team trades wont happen due to over complicating things by having 4 teams demanding certain things, but it was fun to throw this together)
Lakers want an elite PG and a replacement for whoever they are trading.
Rockets want height and a star
Celtics want value for Rondo & height
Timberwolves want a starting SG
Lakers receive Scola & Lowry, while giving up Pau & Morris
Rockets receive Pau, Rondo & Morris, while giving up Lowry, Scola, Martin & Dragic
Celtics receive Beasley, Williams & Dragic, while giving up Rondo & Peitrus
Timberwolves receive Martin & Peitrus, while giving up Beasley & Williams
Why for the Lakers: They get their PG of the future and a decent fill-in for the void at PF. Bynum & Kobe get more room to roam in the post with Lowry and Scola spreading the floor. Both players cost less than Pau, and both are signed for 3 years, the same length as Kobe’s contract. (Scola is signed for 4, but his last year is not guaranteed)
Why for the Rockets: They finally get the height they have been looking for and the star as well. Well, actually they get two stars. They pretty much revamp their roster, but they have great depth and the transition shouldn’t be that hard with Pau & Rondo leading the way. Morris is thrown in as a project to be Rondo’s backup. I believe they will still have some cap room to make some noise in free agency next year.
Why for the Celtics: Rondo seems unhappy where he is right now. So trade him for youth and expiring contracts, as it seems they are trying to be players in next seasons free agency market. Beasley and Dragic are both expiring, while Williams is a nice piece for the future. And he will have a great mentor in Garnett. Dragic can fill the void at PG and Beasley & Williams are both nice pieces to have off of the bench. Williams gives them some size they are wanting.
Why for the Timberwolves: They really need a SG. Martin is a capable starter, who will put up the numbers they have wanted from that position. You lose Williams, but he isn’t going to be getting the playing time behind Love. They also get Peitrus to try and fill in for Beasley as the scoring option off the bench. They would most likely be given a pick to make the deal work (probably from Boston).
*Picks may have to be involved to even things out, but I think this is a fairly even trade across the board.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Mar 2, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Damn bro - I like this one
You are good at this stuff! You would be better than Jim Buss/Chaz xD
Go Sharks!
the problem is getting everyone else to agree to it, lol.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
not so sure Celtics would be on board for this 1.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
3 quality players & a first round pick for an all-star and a bench scrub
i think they make out pretty well, considering the other options they have available for rondo.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Like the idea.
One way to prod Houston into giving us Lowry would be to construct a three way with Pau and Rondo going to Houston, Lowry and a replacement four (Scola or Bass) coming back here, and some combination of assets going to Boston. A four team scenario might be too complicated, but the concept definitely works.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Maybe Something Like This
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82nd8dv
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
That's the idea. Roughly equitable for all sides.
Although Houston might want to dump Scola’s salary on someone.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6onk4rq
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Report indicates, Ainge wants to be a big player in this year's FA market.
taking on those contracts would defeat the purpose.
I doubt Anige would want to take up Martin's contract.
May not want Dalember’s, either.
Would Lakers consider bringing Trevor Ariza back?
He would be a upgrade at SF and bring in some youth and athleticism to a old Lakers team. Would have loved to still have Ariza and Odom
I'd love to have him back, but I don't think he's available...
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 2, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
He's pretty expensive for an inconsistent shooter.
If we get him, we have to send Ebanks back though, otherwise it would be way too creepy.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Mar 2, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Here's my trade:
Lakers get Beasley for the SF position, Turkoglu for the PF position, JJ Barea for the PG position, and Howard to play center.
The Timberwolves give up three players who are largely redundant for their dream pairing of Love, Gasol, and Rubio.
The Magic get back a great haul of Derrick Williams and Bynum while unloading Turkoglu’s contract.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Barea is just not a starting pg in this league.
He’s a nice piece, but I think we can do better than him. Possibly without even giving up Pau…
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 2, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Bottom line...
If the Lakers trade Bynum/Gasol for anything less than All-Star players, there will be no rings. Period.
Keep Big Three. Use draft picks and other players to upgrade PG and bench. We need to talk about that.. Working on trade scenarios now…
problem is our big three make too much money.
we could still have a big three with kobe, lowry & bynum. and be a better all around team with a little more depth.
we are only going to be able to sign minimal players for the forseeable future with kobe, pau & bynum on payroll.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I agree with the money hogging
Problem I see is Lowry is not a proven All-Star who can dominate the PG position in the way Gasol does in the PF position. Do you see this Kobe/Lowry/Bynum combo beat the Heat?
Trading for Rondo or Deron Williams makes more sense.
FO needs to ask Kobe to re-negotiate his contract in the offseason. Give him options to get future profit but keep the cash to bring in players.
I don’t see how Deron or Rondo give us any better of a chance of beating the Heat than Lowry. The reason(s) we couldn’t beat the Heat doesn’t just have to do with our PG position.
by Aaron Y on Mar 2, 2012 11:25 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
What other reasons Lakers can't beat the Heat outside of PG position?
Not challenging you, just picking your brain. I’m still trying to figure it out too.
because, like everyone else, we have no way of containing Wade, Lebron, and Bosh. Plus, their defense recently has been nearly as good as their offense.
by Aaron Y on Mar 2, 2012 1:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
not 2 worried about Bosh. Pau can take care of him, assume we still have Pau.
Just have to avoid both Wade & Lebron getting off at the same time, and/or Lebron decides to post up, and wait does Lebron have a pull up jumper?
also,
Haslem is a wild card. and,
I do worry Battier slow Kobe down…
I would love nothing more than Rose, or KD, or Lakers denying Lebron his ring. 1 more deny after this season, the Heats will fall apart!
and Lebron shall never use the “K” word, again!
Bosh shouldn’t be written off and dismissed so easily. He has looked much more comfortable and confident this season. I don’t doubt Pau could give him fits, but he can still create problems. especially if he faces up Pau. He has a rather quick first step. I do see the Thunder as the best match up for them. they’re extremely long and athletic and could disrupt Wade and Bron both in the paint and on the perimeter.
by Aaron Y on Mar 2, 2012 1:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Three team trade: LAL, MIN, and BOS
What do you guys think of this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=75p6rj9
Lakers send P.Gasol to MIN, $6.2M trade exception to BOS
Lakers receive R. Rondo and J. O’Neal from BOS, M. Beasley from MIN
Timberwolves send M. Beasley to LAL, D. Williams, N. Pekovic, and L. Ridnour to BOS
TImberwolves receive P. Gasol from LAL
Celtics send R. Rondo and J.O’Neal to LAL
Celtics receive D. Williams, N. Pekovic, and L. Ridnour from MIN, $6.2M trade exception from LAL
Why would the Lakers do this?
This is basically Gasol for Rondo, with Beasley and O’Neal thrown in for salary fillers (on expiring deals). Both are still serviceable and, in Beasley’s case, might even resign after this season. Rondo would join Bynum as a young all-star in a position to both help the team win now and in rebuild in the future.
Why would the Timberwolves do this?
They would be giving up young, promising assets (in positions of excess) for an established post player capable of taking them to the next level. A trio of Rubio, Love, and Gasol is a strong foundation for a playoff team in the West and would give them a 4-5 year window in order to make a move to the top.
Why would the Celtics do this?
They probably wouldn’t, to be honest. If Rondo is on the block, the Celtics will want a big return for him and I’m not sure this will cut it. That said, Williams has enormous potential and Pekovic is a legitimate, rebounding center who will fill the gap that Perkins left. Both are promising, young players to build around. Ridnour is a serviceable starting point guard to play alongside the Big Three for the rest of the season.
Simplified
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qs7ow6
Lakers send P.Gasol to MIN
Lakers receive R. Rondo from BOS, M. Beasley from MIN
Timberwolves send M. Beasley to LAL, D. Williams and N. Pekovic to BOS
TImberwolves receive P. Gasol from LAL
Celtics send R. Rondo to LAL
Celtics receive D. Williams and N. Pekovic from MIN
This makes more sense if the Celtics won’t take Ridnour.
by ShowtimeWest on Mar 2, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Timberwolves
seem set on keeping Pekovic. he may be their other untouchable besides Love and Rubio
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
just imaging...
if we had signed Steve Novak instead of Kapono…
i know.
NOVAKAPOCALYPSE
NOVAKAINE
SUPER-NOVA-k
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Novak Djokovic
I just realize that Novak Djokovic looks exactly like Jason Kapono. Separated at birth?
One is the best tennis player in the world while the other is a benchwarmer in the NBA, yet the benchwarmer gets paid more money annually than the #1 tennis player.
tell me you dont do this trade
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jv5zpp
LAL:howard,nelson,hedo,beasly
Min:Jason Rich,Mcroberts
Orlando:Bynum,Gasol
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it's not the # of players, but the quality!
only player I want amongst the 4 is Howard. the other 3 I can do w/o.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 2, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't do this trade
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
LAL-ATL-MIN-CLE four team deal
This trade could be done as one or two deals. The main trade would be between the Lakers, Hawks, and T-wolves click here
Lakers trade Gasol, Ebanks, and Kapono to Atlanta
Hawks trade Josh Smith, and Marvin Williams to the Los Angeles, Kirk Hinrich to Minnesota
T-Wolves trade Michael Beasley to Atlanta, Brad Miller to Los Angeles.
Lakers turn Gasol into a younger forward combination of Josh Smith and Marvin Williams (whose combined salaries basically match Gasol’s). Ebanks and Kapono are traded to Atlanta to make salaries work (this could be replaced with just Matt Barnes and it still works). Lakers get Brad Miller which gives them a true back-up center (since Gasol will be gone). Miller has a team option next year so the Lakers could cut him in the summer if they wanted to reduce their future taxes.
Atlanta is looking to move Marvin Williams and Michael Beasley is a pretty fair straight up swap. In addition, they upgrade from Josh Smith to Pau Gasol. They also get Devin Ebanks to give them some depth the SF position (should they decide to resign him). The move Hinrich’s expiring deal as well. Atlanta would have a core of Al Hortford, Pau Gasol, and Joe Johnson which is quite formidable. Add in Beasley as SF and Jeff Teague at the PG position and the future would be bright.
Minnesota would like to move Beasley and the asking price apparently is a first round draft pick. In this scenario they don’t get a draft pick (unless Atlanta wants to throw one in to get Gasol), but instead they save a few million dollars. They move the combined salaries of Beasley (6.3M) and Miller (4.8M) for the expiring contract of Hinrich (8.1M) saving roughly $1.5M over the last half of the season. Miller is now their third string center and gets no playing time so they should be more than willing to move him.
The second part of the deal, which is completely separate, would the offer of Josh McRoberts and Darius Morris to Cleveland for Sessions (click here). Sessions is clearly on the block and if McRoberts could have landed O.J. Mayo last year, then one assumes that him plus Morris should be able to land Sessions. Morris would be a decent back-up to Irving at the PG position.
The final result would be the following roster for the Lakers:
PG: Sessions/Blake/Fisher
SG: Bryant/Goudelock
SF: Williams/Artest/Barnes/Walton
PF: Smith/Murphy
C: Bynum/MIller
A much more athletic line-up with no weaknesses in the starting 5. Perhaps best of all, the Lakers would probably be able to pull these deals off without using either of their two first round draft picks or the Odom TPE. They could make another move down the line with those assets (say Howard for Bynum + two 1st round picks).
by Actuarially Sound on Mar 3, 2012 12:24 PM PST reply actions
Wow I like this
While I would hate to give up Gasol, we become younger and more athletic in this deal.
Oh how great our shot blocking would be!
"In this league, you gotta learn to run on empty. Fuel level at zero, but still you run." -KB
if
the starting lineup could play all 48 minutes, I’d feel confident about our chances against any team. Rather than using the picks and TPE for Howard, I’d rather see it used for quality depth. The center position doesn’t really need to be upgraded. Not sure why it’s so important we flip the 2nd best (but arguably most skilled) big man for the best big man when there’s really not a huge difference between the two to justify it. Especially once Bynum gets a quality PG that can create for him.
by Aaron Y on Mar 3, 2012 1:28 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
not sure why minnesota would want another pg…
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
perhaps starting two wasn’t cutting it. they need 3 passive point guards to confuse the shit out of everyone. and themselves.
by Aaron Y on Mar 3, 2012 2:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Hinrich arguably plays better as a two guard nowadays.
And defends wings better than points.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
It isn't that they want a PG
The point is that they move $11.1M of expiring contracts for $8.1M of expiring contracts. They get salary relief which at this point may be the best offer they can expect for Beasley.
by Actuarially Sound on Mar 3, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Forget Dwight and Rondo. Keep Pau and add pieces.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7u8k3o6
To LAL: Sessions, Mayo, Beasley
To MIN: 1st Round Pick (the higher one), TPE
To CLE: 1st Round Pick (the lower one), Blake, Ebanks
To MEM: McRoberts, Goudelock
So we have:
PG: Sessions-Fisher-Morris
SG: Bryant-Mayo-Kapono
SF: Beasley-Artest-Barnes-Walton
PF: Pau-Murphy
C: Bynum-(Sheed?)
Beasley backs up Pau the way Pau backs up Bynum, letting Barnes keep decent minutes. Throw in Morris as a sweetener if we must. All three of these guys will be/can become FAs this summer, so it’s not a long-term salary commitment.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.
If we could indeed flip Pau for Lowry and Scola, I think with could be even better with the addition of these smaller trades. Sessions and Mayo could make for an awesome bench.
by Aaron Y on Mar 3, 2012 9:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The bench still seems pretty awful though
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Rondo, Josh Smith, and Marvin Williams
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8y5spyu
Lakers give: Pau, MWP, Steve Blake
Hawks give: Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson
Celtics give: Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo
Lakers get: Rondo, Smith, Williams
Hawks get: Pau, MWP, Allen
Celtics get: Blake, Johnson, probably draft picks
Celtics have Rondo on the block, so they’re not giving up something they want plus they get rid of Allen and get in return a younger shooting guard who can play isolation better plus a first rounder or two. Hawks get out of Johnson’s huge contract, get Allen who is expiring, MWP is useless but also get Pau who is better than Josh Smith and Marvin Williams combined. They improve to a lineup of Pau, Al Horford, Jeff Teague, and pieces they can put together. A very formidable front line with an up and coming point guard.
The Lakers end up with a lineup of Rondo, Kobe, Williams, Smith and Bynum. This lineup has zero holes, plus they rid themselves of MWP and have Fisher and Barnes coming off the bench as well as the Odom trade exception to possible make a deal for a backup shooting guard and/or center. Overall, the Lakers roster gets a lot younger and more athletic and I think this improves the team immensely as well. Also, this deal is not ridiculous for the other teams, I would not be surprised if they would all pull the trigger on this. The Celtics might be getting the short end of the stick but they want to rebuild completely and this gets them out of two contracts and nets them draft picks. Maybe we throw in Morris/Goudelock/other young guy to sweeten the deal for them.
Thoughts?
Celtics get the short end of the stick.
That’s the issue. Not sure they want to deal with Johnson’s massive contract either unless the Hawks and the Lakers are giving them a huge bounty of picks either.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Thats why I said picks probably
If the Lakers get all that I’d have no problem dealing our two first rounders for this year and I’m sure we can get one out of the Hawks as well. I really do not know how teams value picks and it also differs from team to team so I don’t want to speak in complete unknowns, but I would suspect a few picks would be thrown towards the Celtics.
If they're willing to move Rondo, they want to win now with this current core.
So this doesn’t fix anything. A couple of picks in the 20s isn’t going to help their rebuilding process either and they have to deal with Johnson being a huge dead weight in the last few years of his deal without the ability to amnesty him.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
3 team deal with blazers, rockets and lakers
Lakers give up Pau and Blake, but get a star PG in Lowry and a serviceable starting PF in Scola. They also get a project in Thabeet to make the salaries work. He is only on contract for another year, 1 less than Blake. He might be able to let Bynum rest for 10 minutes a game.
Rockets get their star in Gasol & a decent replacement for Lowry, in Felton. He seems unhappy in Portland and a change of scenery should help pick his game back up. Thabeet and Williams are added to the trade to make the salaries work.
Blazers get rid of their troubled PG, and get a familiar face back in Blake. Williams is added to the trade to make the salaries work. He can be a decent bench guy for the Blazers.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
The right idea, but don't think Felton is a good enough PG to make this palatable to Houston.
Plus they would have to deal with his contract expiring and having to find a solution afterwards.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88fqv82
Houston sends one of their first round picks to New Orleans for Jack.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7z35y8o
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Mar 4, 2012 10:25 PM PST reply actions
Why on earth does Indiana agree to that?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
In an alternate reality.
But here, it’s just a typical case of “Omgz Luke Walton for Drose!”, just not as extreme….
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Whatever happened to the idea of getting Millsap
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by sctrojan13 on Mar 5, 2012 6:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Whatever happened to the idea of getting Millsap with the tpe
I mean Utah isnt competing this year so maybe throw in a couple of firsts and then do the deal of Pau for Rondo + Jermaine O’Neal and the Lakers are beyond stacked:
Starters:
Rondo Kobe MWP Millsap Bynum
Bench:
Blake Glock Barnes Murphy O’Neal
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by sctrojan13 on Mar 5, 2012 6:32 AM PST via mobile reply actions
a stacked starting 5 isn’t exactly a stacked team. with those moves, our bench got even worse… if that’s at all possible.
by Aaron Y on Mar 5, 2012 10:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think that's the case at all
remember that Rondo plays big minutes and would get a lot of time with the bench unit and it could even make sense to sub Rondo out early so Blake can play with the starters and stretch the floor while Rondo can orchestrate the offense with the 2nd team. While O’Neal isn’t Bynum or Pau, the Lakers need a legitimate backup center (especially if they trade Pau) to keep Bynum’s minutes down and O’Neal would be a solid backup. Our bench isn’t really the problem right now, they have been playing pretty solidly since Blake came back.
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JO is not a legitimate back up. He’s awful. I’d rather make a play for someone like Epke Udoh. As far as our bench, statistically, its the worst in the league. And while Blake’s return helps, it sure as hell doesn’t fix it. As far as your speculative and situational theories on Rondo, it’s just that. There’s no way of knowing how he would be used or what would make either the 1st or 2nd offense most effective.
by Aaron Y on Mar 5, 2012 10:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You make it sound so simple
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Pau for Sessions, Varejao, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76ehxz4
I don’t think this is impossible…
I think it is.
Considering how screwed Cleveland would be after the deal. Joe Johnson’s horrible contract for 5 years. Ouch!
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I'd have to guess
A little bit of both… to be honest, I didn’t come up with this one. One of my fellow BSotS’rs did as a stick it to the lakers gag. It’s so proficiently good in that respect I thought it would be fun to share.
I would be really happy is we could get sign-and-trade our TPE and something else for wilson chandler
instant youth, athleticism, and defense. That, plus a PG upgrade and flipping McBob for a solid bench player we’re actually going to use and I’m a happy man, although we would still need to pick up some bynum insurance.
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Greetings from Blazerland
I was wondering if we could get in on a 3-team Howard deal, here’s what I had in mind:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6sp5cyl
You guys end up with a starting five of:
Felton
Bryant
Wallace
McRoberts
Howard
Yeah, Felton isn’t that good, but he is better than Blake or Fisher and he expires this year.
You guys give up both Bynum and Gasol, but you don’t have to take on Hedo’s contract, which is an almost for sure demand of Orlando. Plus you guys get Wallace, who still has a few good years in him.
I think this trade helps all three teams, but maybe you don’t. I hope I didn’t undervalue any of your guys to an offensive degree (we get offensive deal ideas like Batum for Hinrich all the time on Blazersedge).
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
We've lost a lot of optimism about getting Howard.
Any real possibility probably died with the Paul trade veto. This works, sure, but we have to see an assurance that Howard is going to stay if gets moved, and that’s naturally dicey.
As for you guys, where are you right now? Ready to rebuild? Retool around Aldridge? If Wallace is obtainable, I’d imagine that the Lakers would definitely be willing to sacrifice any of their non-Kobe/Gasol/Bynum assets for him.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
We're kind of stuck with Wallace because his value to us is higher than his value on the market is.
Outside of the Kobe/Gasol/Bynum assets, I’m not sure you guys have much to offer anymore, unless we can get involved in a three way trade.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
We are pretty well off. A Ridnour for Crawford deal is rumored to already be in the bag. It would leave us at
Ridnour
Matthews
Hedo
Aldridge
Bynum
We give up a lot, but Bynum is the kind of piece you can’t pass up.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
no, it's not offensive.
I’m just not convinced about Felton. My way of thinking looking at this is: we are basically replacing Pau w/Wallace & Felton, not sure I would put a = sign there.
We may still need to find a better PG during the off season, and I read that Wallace is looking for a longer contract after this yr.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 7, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I saw it as being sort of cyclical
Orlando isn’t going to trade Howard for just Bynum or Gasol, but for you guys Howard isn’t worth losing both of those guys. By bringing us in we can even out that disparity. We are giving up a lot of depth and flexibility with this deal. It’s not really Pau for Wallace/Felton, because you have to examine the whole trade:
ORL will want Pau + Bynum + loss of Hedo’s contract.
In this deal, you don’t have to take it.
So really you are trading Pau for Wallace/Felton and 11 million dollars in flexibility over the next three years.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
it's more like $7 mil. (Howard's $ > Bynum's).
Not sure Howard is that much of an upgrade over Bynum, anymore. Especially taking their free throw into account.
He is that big. Howard's offensive game>Bynum's, and Howard's Defensive game>>>>>>>HOLYCRAPZ>>>>>Bynum's
I’d, personally, say that Howard+Wallace+Felton is a pretty fair swap. That’s just my opinion (And I’m really high on Howard and Wallace, so there’s bias) but yeah
Howard's offensive game seems > than Bynum's only becuz of the #s and that's due to
Howard being the focal point in Orlando, while Bynum plays w/GOAT candidate & HOF. I havn’t seen that much of Wallace, but I know he’s more than decent.
A suggestion to Blazer fans.
with your history of Bowie & Oden, I thnik you should give up on the idea of having an elite center. You should construct your team the Chicago route.
Bynum may become an iron man like AC Green, but with Blazers, he’s almost definitely doomed!
just saying…
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 7, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yes yes we all know too well
But if there’s a chance you have to jump on it.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
I'd like to meet the GM that takes prior bad luck into account, lol.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You're welcome." -Kobe
hahaha... that's some kind of nasty curse u guys have over there.
it’s incredible to see how Oden keeps taking Paul Allen’s $.
Is Blazers finally give up on Oden?
Pretty sure it's LakerAce, not BlazerAce, lol
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You're welcome." -Kobe
I honestly dig this trade.
Blazers would have sound building blocks for next season. Lakers would have an interesting frontline in Wallace and Howard and Felton I believe, is not a lost cause (still an upgrade over Fisher). I just don’t think Orlando would be content with Batum and Gasol.
Just throwing this out there because I have been one of the major supporters
of NOT trading Pau. I mean when CP3 almost came here I was getting used to it (for like 3 hrs) but was happy we kept him. So I’m thinking, if there is one guard that I would seriously not even blink at getting with Pau is DWill. I don’t know the possibility of that happening and if the numbers work. But I would be really happy with that.
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me too.
but I don’t think Nets will give up on D-Will until they know for sure Howard is no gona be a Net. So any possibility of that trade would have to wait until the off season.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 7, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
yes!
1) for Rose
2) for Kevin
3) for Russel
4) for Stuckey + Gordon
5) for Booker + Serrapin + Mason
I had a dream last night,
that the Lakers traded Pau & Morris for Josh Smith & Teague. And then used the TPE to acquire M Williams.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
That's remarkably coherent for a dream
I dreamt that Kobe drove the lane, took off for a dunk, and when he came down he landed in 2006, but that didn’t help up because he still had bad fingers. Then there was an ice cream truck somewhere.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.
by deadmuse on Mar 8, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
um... no
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
It was a pretty good return for the Lakers.
Basically only trading Pau for 2 or 3 starters depending if Williams start or come off the bench. Morris is not going to help this season. It solves their problem on the PG and SF position as Smith can play the SF/PF. The only problem that I can see is that the Lakers won’t have a back-up C for Bynum.
by BoneCruncher24 on Mar 8, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not convinced.
much rather have the Lowry + Scola compare to this.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 9, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Per dumpleavy
After I read today that Josh Smith wants out of Atlanta, I naturally thought to myself what if the Lakers offered up Gasol for him. Who would say no to the trade:
Lakers Give: Pau Gasol
Hawks Give: Kirk Hinrich + Josh Smith
Obviously Pau is a lot to give up. He’s probably the best big man on the block in the league (though Bynum is gaining). But Pau is no spring chicken and this year, more than other years, you need depth. By getting Josh in return, the Lakers don’t lose much in protecting the rim, you get younger, and you get more athletic. You can’t replace Pau’s skills, but Smith isn’t a terrible passer either. He would just have to stop shooting 3’s. And you get Hinrich back to start at PG. At the very least he plays effective D and will dislocate D-Wade’s shoulder for you. The trade would work according to ESPN’s trade machine. Who says no?
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Tweetness
I would do this.
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reaplce teague for hinrich,
and we can talk
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Mar 9, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or + williams - tpe
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Mar 10, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Cmon Mitch! I still believe. You brought us key players before and you can do it again.



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by Jelly Bean on Mar 9, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lol
Felton and Aldridge then ok
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by EmmCeee on Mar 10, 2012 4:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
That's fucking terrible
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
by Hdg23 on Mar 10, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Source is bullshit.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
'Nuff said
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Per superMAC18
After watching the latest Lakers-Celtics tussle, my sick basketball mind came up with a crazy trade idea — why not the 2 Andrews (Bynum & Goudelock) to Boston in return for KG and Rondo. Now now before anyone of you react, take heed — It can only work if Dwight Howard will not be traded by the Magic.
Now for the basis of this proposed trade:
1. While he has his prime years ahead of him, there’s no denying KG’s basketball IQ and passion. He is still good for 10-15 PPG and maybe 10+ RPG. And he is definitely a defensive asset, even with those worn out legs.
2. Rondo is what the purple & gold squad badly needs – a cerebral point guard who can direct the offense. I think this weakness in position has been roundly discussed in the entire Lakernation. Need I say more?
3. Bynum is the answer for Boston’s rebuilding mode. Think Bill Russel, and the Cs already has their future secured with ’Drew (provided he stays healthy). Goudelock is the mini mamba and can complement ’Drew. Whaddya say Danny Ainge?
4. The swap answers both questions of Lakers ability to seek a championship now, and Boston’s future.
5. Again, my idea for KG is good only for this season, where he can still chase a ring, this time with Kobe. We all know they share the same background – entering the league direct from HS, and am sure they will be able to complement each other.
6. The next question begs – what about the future for Showtime? Well, Superman (pardon me Shaq) is still in the Amway building but if Dwight remains to be a Magic until midnight of March 16, then Mitch Kupchak should pull out his Iphone and call Danny Ainge now. I dont know about salary match ups but am sure it’s close.
What do you think guys? Crazy? Or Probable?
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Tweetness
If superMAC18 is a Celtics fan ...
then it makes sense.
Otherwise, this is for comedy? Yes?
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
Crazy.
Mitch will hang up the phone very quickly.
by BoneCruncher24 on Mar 11, 2012 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
There is almost no possible deal that gets Bynum to Boston.
Boston doesn’t have the assets to pull it off.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo for Gasol and Bynum
DO IT MITCH.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
serious????
A lineup of
KG
McRoberts/Murphy
Pierce/Metta/Barnes/Ebanks
Rondo/Fish/Blake
Kobe/Allen
wouldn’t be devastating?? We don’t need a PF, we just spread the court with Kobe Allen Pierce and KG and have Rondo rack up assists.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
that's not Lakers!!! that'll be...
Lacelticers.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 12, 2012 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The C and PF position would be completely abused on the regular. Plus aren’t Pierce, Allen and KG free agents at the end of this year? So you’re basically trading Pau and Bynum for this one year. Plus Bynum is 23. and also fuck the celtics
it was kind of a joke
but…i still think we’d easily win a title with that lineup. We could easily flip a couple pieces (Pierce, Blake) for replacements.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
I'd be upset.
But that would be hilarious…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Mar 12, 2012 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
hey Gal, you really wana dance with the devil?
can’t bring myself to cheer for KG, ever!!!
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 12, 2012 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, that's not my trade, I just posted it here for someone.
There's a good chance you don't like me, but an even better chance I don't care.
Kobe Bryant doesn't care about winning.
Tweetness
I see.
didn’t think u have that kind of tolerance for green.
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 14, 2012 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Ideas for small moves
1) Blake & Barnes for Felton.
Why does Portland do this? — Like us, they need a PG, and they like and know Blake. They get a solid backup they can rely on for heavy minutes for 2.5 seasons.
Why does LA do this? — Mainly to save about $20million in salary and tax (Blake has 2 years, Felton is an expiring contract). If we get a PG like Sessions, Fisher becomes the backup and Blake’s going to be benched anyway. Losing Barnes will suck, but we save money and gain flexibility. If Felton gets any playing time and pans out, that’s a bonus.
2) MWP for Josh Childress
Why does Phoenix do this? — Childress has 3 more years at $6m, and they’ve given up on him. Metta only has 2 more years, which saves Phoenix a lot of money. Plus they can use MWP at either of the forward spots given their play style.
Why does LA do this? — Gain youth and athleticism, trading one bad contract for another, and there’s a chance a new team can make Childress a useful bench player again. This is only worth considering if the Lakers are NOT planning on using amnesty on MWP. According to Larry Coon, they’re saving their amnesty as injury insurance for Kobe (or Pau if he’s still here).
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.
Now is not the time to save money.
Now is the time to spend it and win Championships while Kobe is still here.
Now is the time to spend money and bring in solid athletic role players to improve the team.
But the Lakers have to structure their contracts to be up after 2014, when Kobe’s and Pau’s contracts are up AND the luxury tax has increased.
There is no need to save big until after 2014.
And if the extra money spent on good role players creates a deeper playoff run, the revenue from the extra playoff games helps offset the increased role player salaries.
Enough about saving money until AFTER 2014.
As for Felton, a bad team like Charlotte gave up on him and now Portland. I’d vote no.
I’m currently on the Sessions bandwagon.
Can Childress defend the elite SFs like World Peace? If not, then no thanks.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
Injury insurance for Kobe Bean Bryant?
I tell you no such thing exists
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Would rather send Blake to Portland for Crawford,
and use part of the TPE + the dallas pick for Sessions.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
This.
If Portland was thinking about dealing Crawford for Ridnour, who is now likely unavailable due to Rubio’s injury, Blake is a nice substitute there. That’s a solid deal.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
id even be willing to throw in a 2nd round pick
to get that scoring option for our bench. kobe could actually get some rest!
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I'd even offer Goudelock & Blake for Crawford
since Crawford would be doing the job we’re hoping Glock can grow into.
Since they’re actually talking Blake/Felton, we’ll have to see how much they want Blake vs. wanting to dump Felton.
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny.
FUCK JIM BUSS for squandering legacy.
4 team trade
Lakers get: Terrence Williams, Stephen Jackson, Luke Ridnour
Wolves get: Pau Gasol
Rockets get: Michael Beasley
Bucks get: Devin Ebanks, Steve Blake
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Mar 12, 2012 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
um.... no thanks
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Man that's an awful trade!
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Mar 12, 2012 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
lolwut.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
not sure if serious
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
Rockets fan here
playing with the trade machine, and came up with this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7esnfcf
Would that be enough of a return for Gasol, and Bynum?
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
... I think you may have outdone the above trade...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Mar 12, 2012 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea zach randolph
and Rudy gay are horrible…………………………….
flayed ones stealth mode
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ikr? Just because the PER works out doesn't mean its a good trade.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
Ummm I hate PER
But
Fischer/Gortat
Bryant/Gouldelock
Barnes/Peace/Gay
Randolph/McRoberts
Hill/Murphy
Is a younger team, that can make a legit playoff run, and you get 10 million off the books next season, when Hill,Gortat,and Waltons deals are up. Amnesty Artest, and you have nearly 16 million to go after Williams or Howard as well.
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Interesting...
Still no.
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 12, 2012 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Lakers don't make legit playoff runs...
we only play for championship!
by 4ever Lakers on Mar 12, 2012 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
true dat
xD
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
not sure if serious
Lakers and Patriots forever.
I’ve NEVER thought otherwise and I’ll say it again:
The Lakers are now the team that no one thinks is good enough but no one wants to play. They are the equivalent of the Celtics, circa 2010.
by D.S.T. on Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST
zach randolph was a lot better than pau in the playoffs last year
i dont think its that bad actually
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Interesting that SI is reporting that Tyreke Evans is available. I didn't see any truth to it
because it just seems like the writer is saying that just because Tyreke Evans’ position in the line up has changed. Oh well, here is the link. You guys decide if maybe I misunderstood the article.
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Can we turn Portland's interst in Blake into Sessions?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7tfy9vm
LAL: Sessions, Parker
POR: Blake, McBobs
CLE: Felton, Lakers’ 1st rounder
FUCK DAVID STERN for vetoing destiny. FUCK JIM BUSS for not being Jerry. FUCK CHAZ for screwing up my order. FUCK THE CELTICS for being Celtics. FUCK D-FISH'S IRONMAN STREAK for everything else.
Clevelad
has said they dont want any salary in return for sessions, so basically they want the tpe
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Are the Bulls kidding? A deal for Pau that has Boozer as the main piece? foh
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7682303/chicago-bulls-working-acquire-pau-gasol-los-angeles-lakers-sources-say
Gasol Trade
How about this trade?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pqd254
Chicago get an upgrade at power forward to really challenge Miami
Lakers get an elite point guard who is desperate for a championship run and Childress on the trade exception because they would want to instigate the trade and so have to take some salary.
Phoenix move on from the Steve Nash era, have a great frontcourt in Gortat and Boozer and a young capable point guard who is reading for a starting role.
I think it is a winning situation for all parties and gives every team something they need/want.
How many SFs must we have....
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if anyone is still wondering about dwight
some mad hints about where he might be going in a couple of days
http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12458953

I hate people who propose things like this:
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 14, 2012 8:28 AM PDT reply actions
Like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ke8qkj
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 14, 2012 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Orlando would be immediately contracted from the league...
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by x Nightwing x on Mar 14, 2012 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
no, they could compete with WSH and CHA.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 14, 2012 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
latest
Magic source tells Y! “We’re evaluating what we will do before 3 PM tomorrow,” with disclosure that Dwight Howard will opt-out of deal.
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Can we do this?
If Deron and Dwight aren’t plotting to join each other wherever, and/or Deron doesn’t want to go to Dallas?
That is a beyond terrible deal for the Nets
Not sure if serious….
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I figure..
a couple of picks would be added to that scenario for the nets I would figure.
White Mamba and Luke switch were just bench warmer jokes.
I do feel a relatively young Joakim for Lowry would be a good switch.
Boozer is the sacrifice for the trade to go through.
And K. Humphries fills the PF gap for the Bulls, while Pau would move to C.
New Jersey’s young, and Joakim and picks seems to make sense to me.
While Pau and K. improve the Bulls roster, and leaves the Lakers with the hole in the PG position/scoring and Boozer takes Pau’s spot.
by kb8-24(33%) on Mar 14, 2012 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In the end
Lakers trade: Walton, Kapono, 1st round pick
Cavs trade: Sessions, Eyenga
Lakers trade: Fish, 1st round pcik
Rockets trade: Hill
I dont think anybody accurately anticipated these deals
Classic Lakers
Pau, Ariza, Shannon, and now Fish. They really know how to catch us by surprise…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
You mean sessions
Yes, we expect great things from him
Trading fish was more of a surprise than getting sessions
At least IMO
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Apparently if the Lakers got Sessions or any other starting PG
the Lakers had to trade Fisher. The FO believe they couldnt let Fisher play off the bench if a new staring PG came. If we knew this, we be making tons of trade proposal involving Fisher.

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