The Credits: "Gossip"
by bluexfalcon on Jan 24, 2012 8:00 AM PST
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PrintNo ones produces storylines like Los Angeles, and I mean nobody. Whether it's your All Star PF Pau Gasol disappointed in his role, team captain Derek Fisher urging to fight through it, or wondering what could have been with Brian Shaw, there is always something to talk about, always something to tweet. Even retired players are jumping into the mix, leaving us plots and subplots worthy of a day-time Emmy.
In what has become a grueling season, it's hard to believe only one-fourth of it has come and gone. A quarter into the season, we begin to see a better picture of where teams might stand once April arrives. Let's hope that by then, our Lakers can work out some of their issues and hopefully don't have to face Hibbert again, anytime soon.
↓ Much more after the jump ↓
Lakers News
- 6th Annual "Freedom Through My Eyes" Art and Essay Contest | Lakers.com
- When the Laker offense is beautiful | ESPN
- Los Angeles Lakers' losses fuel frustrations | ESPN LA
- Hold the Mayo? The Lakers' immediate options for help could remain limited | ESPN LA
- Lakers-Pacers Lakers Late Night replay, plus postgame videos | ESPN LA
- Metta World Peace sheds doubt on Roy Hibbert's broken nose | LA Times
- Lakers lament late-game breakdowns against Indiana Pacers | LA Times
- Lakers continue scoring drought in 98-96 loss to Pacers | LA Times
- Kobe System all about adaptation | LA Times
- Metta World Peace's success points to post-up work | LA Times
- What if Brian Shaw became the Lakers' head coach? | LA Times
- 10 ways to fix the Lakers | OC Register
- Fisher urges Lakers to ‘keep chin up and chest out’ | OC Register
- Pau Gasol isn’t happy with new role | OC Register
NBA.com
- Rockets win 7th straight, 107-92 over Timberwolves | NBA.com
- Pierce, Bass carry Celtics over Magic, 87-56 | NBA.com
- With the team finally built, now comes the hard part for OKC | NBA.com
ESPN
- Injury-riddled Celts hold Magic to franchise lows for points, field goals | ESPN
- Mavericks owner Mark Cuban not worried about Dirk Nowitzki's knee | ESPN Dallas
- Shawn Marion scores 29 to send short-handed Mavericks past-Suns | ESPN
- Derrick Rose, Richard Hamilton lead banged-up Bulls past Nets | ESPN
- Rockets run away with 7th straight as Kevin Love's 39 points, 12 boards not enough | ESPN
- Tim Duncan carries Spurs past sliding Hornets with season-high 28 points | ESPN
- SAS: Magic inquire about Dwight to Knicks | ESPN NY
Yahoo! Sports
- Rose says toe might be issue rest of season | Yahoo! Sports
- Thunder top Pistons 99-79 for another home blowout | Yahoo! Sports
- Back home in Minnesota, McHale shrugs off return | Yahoo! Sports
ProBasketball Talk
- Rumors everywhere, but Grizzlies not planning Mayo trade | ProBasketballTalk
- Gasol not thrilled with Lakers offense, wants more post touches | ProBasketballTalk
- Rose admits foot pain may linger for rest of season | ProBasketballTalk
- Spurs to retire Bruce Bowen’s No. 12 jersey | ProBasketballTalk
- All-Star rookies vs. sophomores game may see changes | ProBasketballTalk
- Baron Davis returns to practice, but can his ailing back bear New York’s wildest expectations? | ProBasketballTalk
- Robert Horry says Shaq vs. Kobe feud was all Phil Jackson | ProBasketballTalk
- NBA Power Rankings: Bulls on top after quarter of season | ProBasketballTalk
- Knicks fans, Phil Jackson will not be your savior | ProBasketballTalk
Dime Mag / SLAM Online
- Steve Nash Unleashes The "Corn Chopper" | Dime Magazine
- Trailer: "The Association: Denver Nuggets," Episode 1 | Dime Magazine
- Dime’s Rookie Report: The 10 Best Freshmen In The NBA, Vol. II | Dime Magazine
- The 5 Best Potential Matchups In The NBA’s Rookie-Sophomore Game | Dime Magazine
- Nike: #KobeSystem — Level 1 Success | SLAM Online
- Carmelo Anthony Wondering if the Knicks’ Struggles Are His Fault | SLAM Online
- HBO’s Real Sports to Feature Van Gundy Bros Tuesday | SLAM Online
- Robert Horry: Phil Jackson Made Kobe/Shaq Feud Worse on Purpose | SLAM Online
- Miami Heat Point Guards Wearing Wristbands Containing Team Plays | SLAM Online
Blogs and Other Links
- San Antonio Spurts honor Bruce Bowen | OC Register
- Lakers News: Pau Gasol Would Like More Touches in the Paint | Lakers Nation
- Lakers Need an Offensive Identity, Stat | Lakers Nation
- Win Tickets to See the Clippers take on the Lakers | Lakers Nation
- Hibbert showcasing post-up fundamentals | NBA Playbook
- Notes On A Floundering Offense | Forum Blue & Gold
- Stretching the four | HoopSpeak.com
- Report Card: A's and F's | Eye On Basketball
- Iguodala matches Wizards' dimes by himself | Eye On Basketball
- Quarterly Report Team Grades: Deep teams thriving | Eye On Basketball
- Quarterly Report Awards: LeBron leads MVP | Eye On Basketball
- Pau Gasol wants to drop the jumpers and go inside | Eye On Basketball
- Howard for Amar'e and Chandler has been floated? | Eye On Basketball
- Byron Scott calls out Kyrie Irving's defense | Eye On Basketball
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- Happy Chinese New Year from Andray Blatche | The Basketball Jones
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lol
Miami took a playbook cue from the NFL there
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
gimmicks
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I actually don't think it's a bad idea
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Also,
I’m glad Pau has shown that it is his role not to be in the post very much anymore. I thought it was a system thing and his rhythm in the post seems a lot more off than usual. but either way, I hope the offense becomes the interchangeable series that the Spurs were instead of Pau continuing to play a Nowitzki role that doesn’t really suit him
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I don't know
He’s probably the best and most willing facilitator on the team. His offense is definitely not the same, so I would say yeah, at least try to give him a few more opportunities down in the low post though.
On the other hand, Bynum just probably needs a little more time adjusting to getting double teamed and becoming more of a focal point in general to become almost the same type of offensive threat.
by jahidi_jones on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Bynum can get used to passing
if he plays in the high post. That is the first step.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Bynum in the high post?
But how can he be a threat there? He doesn’t have much of a jumper, does he?
by jahidi_jones on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
He has shown in the past an ability to shoot there,
but the better part of it is that it allows him to cut into the lane off the ball the way dwight does out of the high post if the other team tries to double gasol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Moreover, the Duncan/Robinson offense was supposed to function that way.
Both frontcourt players could be interchangeable at the high post and low block and it helped the overall flow.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
exactly.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Mix it up
We can’t become too predictable. Got to keep the opponents guessing. Kobe’s Kobe. He can still surprise. But the others can’t become too typecast in their roles on the court.
New Rule
You cant fucking demand for more fucking touches if you cant make use of the one you get.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
it doesnt sound like pau is demanding more touches.
to me, it sounds like he just wants to get the ones he is getting in the post, instead of from 15 feet away from the basket.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
The ones he fumbles in the post? Or the ones he throws up and flails hoping to get a call?
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
either or, lol
just telling you what i got out of his comments. not saying i agree with him. it just didnt sound like he was asking for more touches.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
So what was he asking for?
Cos it said touches.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
touches in the post, instead of at the free-throw line exptended
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
So where does that put Bynum?
He has to maximize what he is getting.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Then he should make his shots.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
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Yep
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
LOL
Touche
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Flip Saunders, please come help the Lakers offense.........and bring some shooters with you.
kthnxbai
is he not coaching somewhere this year?
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
oooooooohhhhhh
dont we have like 15 coaches already, though.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
this is enough. lakers need to fire mike brow asap. i’m tired of people saying the coach isn’t out there shooting. fuck that. this team still has enough talent to be better than 10-8. mike brown has no offense. he’s not head coach material. maybe just a defensive assistant/specialist.
gasol and bynum look like shit, as does the whole offense. 7 point quarters? this is los angeles. these are the lakers. take this mediocre shit back to cleveland. we need a real coach, and we need him now!
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Why, Good morning chaucer
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
In the last game when the Lakers had a chance to tie it and they ran a play with seconds left
after Mike B. called a time out. Someone posted a comment saying something like, “Thats the play?” That has stuck with me because I always thought that Kobe just did what he wanted in the last second shot.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
Strong Opinion
But, in a way, not unwarranted, at all.
i am boycotting the lakers and this blog until we fire mike brown.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Awwww
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Ciao, ragazzo!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
See ya next year
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
HA! I understand the frustration. Too much talent for all of these losses!
I’m just not sure it’s Brown’s fault
Well, it's definitely not our fault.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
I didn't realize SSR paid the Lakers or Mike Brown...
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
This isn't interesting enough to be linked twice!
Spurs to retire Bruce Bowen’s No. 12 jersey | ProBasketballTalk
Spurs to retire Bruce Bowen’s No. 12 jersey | ProBasketballTalk
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
If anybody should b blamed it should b mitch
He surrounded our 3 best players with below meh options to begin with. Fisher.Metta.Kapono.Murphy. Walton.Outta all the FA shooters we get a one dimensional bottom of the bench player and expected it to work. We keep Metta for what? We keep Luke for what? Keep Fisher for what? Trade LO and get what? Go back to last year and we trade Sasha and a 1st rd pick for Joe Smith? lol We didnt get paul.We’re not getting Dwight. We wont get D Will. What we have now is about as good as its gonna get. 3 aging stars (former star) 3 bad contracts and 25-30 million tied to 1 player which puts a huge crimp in any future major moves we can make.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM PST via Android app reply actions
in addition he didnt utilize the TPE we got from the Sasha trade; giving Walton a 6mil/year contract after 1 decent season. I don’t know if we can still trust Mitch.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
cant forget the 1st round picks we tossed aside
Which left us zero youngsters to develop. Hello Toney Douglas.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
that really hurt, didn't it lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
That one stung lol
Sending a 1st for Joe Smith stung too
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Toney Douglas has been terrible in NYC
as we’ve seen with Morris, youth isn’t everything
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
LOL, was just gonna post that.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Youth isn't everything but it is a starting point.
Its a cheap way to add talent. As for Douglas, he’s more two guard than a point guard and he would’ve been a welcomed addition to the Lakers if they kept him. The Lakers could’ve used him for his shooting and defense off the bench since he got into the league.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, yes
but my point is if we’re talking about losing first rounders his energy off the bench would’ve been nice, except he is Baron Davis without the explosiveness but with all of the chucking. I understand wanting someone who can shoot and will shoot. I just think lamenting this kid is ridiculous given how terrible he actually is. Sure, talking about him in comparison to Fisher may seem like an upgrade, but it’s just replacing Fish with someone else who does Fish-like things, chucking with no regard for offense or position on the floor, except he’s younger and plays at a faster pace.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I doubt the player would be chucking on the Lakers.
Its tough to chuck while in the triangle. Douglas is a better version of Shannon Brown and that would’ve been a welcomed sight. Still is. He could backup Kobe.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
LOL, Shannon was definitely chucking in the triangle.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
A better version of Shannon?
I can’t agree with that. I don’t even think they compare.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Yes.
They are players who did not have the handle to play point guard and short at the two guard but athletic enough to play that two position. Douglas is a better version because he can actually shoot and play fundamentally sound defense. Shot selection is a problem as is his handle, though its better than Brown. Yes, he shoots a lot and much of that revolves around D’Antoni’s offense. Simply put, he would’ve done more good than harm in a Laker uni.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Shannon's shot selection and handle
are much maligned here. No one thinks he did more good than harm. and it’s not all about the defense
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I was talking about Douglas being better than Brown and do more good than bad.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 2:03 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I know that
but his faults are the exact same as Shannon’s and he is maligned here as a player more for those chucking and brick handles than for his defense. If Douglas has those problems and we’re expecting him to run PG, then it’ll be the same thing he’s doing now
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
With that said hes still better than Fisher
Id rather have a young player who has played good ball over an old player who’s bottomed out and is a liability on both ends of the floor and at a cheaper price with infinitely more upside. I think he would do better here with all the wude open looks he would get plus he can actually attack the paint.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 12:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You don't think Melo and Amare and Chandler's attention gives him wide open looks?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Chandler doesn't get that much attention on offense.
Amar’e has declined drastically as an offensive threat and Melo’s tunnel vision makes Kobe look like Chris Paul.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
well, it was mostly to talk about their frontline in general garnering attention
Either way, I just think the dude chucks a lot.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
yea he does
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
The point is that he hasn't played good ball.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Who has played good ball for the knicks?
The major players are all Below career averages.
If its a Laker then theyre jus playing bad. Their career avg doesnt show it. In the case of Douglas his career averages are way above how hes playing this year. Hes in a severe slump as are the rest of the Knicks
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You could say the same for most of the lakers
but you don’t give any of them the same benefit of the doubt
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Fisher?
He’s been bad since 09.
Kapono. been declining since 09
Murphy. I think he’s bottomed out. He was good up until last year.
The difference between all those players and Douglas? They’re all 30 and up. they are what they are. No more potential. No more upside. Itz a wrap with them. You might get a good game here and there but thats about it
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Toney Douglas has been the exact same type of player
as all of them with a good game here and there but for the most part out of control on offense without enough defensive moxy to make up for it.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
he averages 8.7 pts
shooting 10.4 times a game. He makes Nick Young look like Kobe, basically he chucks way more but at least he passes the ball.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
The difference is this is his 3rd year in the league!
Hes not a 10 year vet. Hes a young player. He still has Room to grow as a player. Give me that vs old slow AND inconsistent any day
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Serious question: When do you consider someone to have been in the league long enough to be a vet?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
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I think it has more to do with age, than experience.
Its a tough question to answer.
For instance, Kobe had been in the league for 12 years back in 2008, but i wouldn’t have called him a veteran. But i probably do now.
If I had to give a short, concise answer to your question, i would say over 30 years old, with 10+ years experience in the league.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
LOL, announcers call Andrew a veteran 'cuz he's been in the league 7 years. Same about LeBron and Wade.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
I believe 7 years
is the minimum number of years to get the league minimum
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Drews has a WAYS to go.
same with LBJ and Wade.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
But they are considered veterans.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
not by me.
:)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
LOL, you don't count, sweetie.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
to me, i do.
(now i’m confused)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
young, playing too fast, and inconsistent
are just as bad as old, slow, and inconsistent. That’s why those players usually don’t stay that long in the league
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
disagree
Young players are expected to have issues with that in the beginning. Older vets are supposed to understand the game better and not go thru it. Younger guys have time work and fix those issues thus the reward.is greater long term. Perfect example is Kobe. Young Kobe was frustrating to watch. Being young he worked it out and is what he is now and we had him for a bargain for a long time. give me young,inconsistent with upside vs old and inconsistent anyday and twice on Sunday. not even close
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Young Kobe
is not a parallel to toney Douglas who in his fourth year isn’t showing anything close to the poise or understanding of his role as Kobe did in his fourth year. Young and inconsistent in the first couple years fine, but by your 4th year and you’re still not contributing more than hurting and goodbye. That’s just the way it is. I don’t prefer old and inconsistent. I’m just pointing out that older inconsistent players are far more likely to bounce back into their form than young, erratic players who by their fourth year still can’t figure out the way to fit into an offensive system they’ve been in for 4 years
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Hes in his 3rd year and his previous 2 years were good in comparison.
The comparison wasnt based on skill level but the ability of a younger player to “get it” Which is ultimately better long term for the team. Players do what the coach allows them to do and obviously Mike D is ok with it. Give me Douglas over Kapono anyday
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Mike D has to be okay with it
he has no one else but a rookie to go to. As soon as BD is healthy enough, to the bench he goes.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
So, Broussard suggested Lowry/Scola for Gasol/Morris.
Obviously, L.A. takes that in a heartbeat. I’m struggling to find reasons that Houston thinks that’s a good reason unless they believe that they can make a run at Williams or Howard in the offseason or something.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Morris? Really?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
He's a throw-in. Not really relevant.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I see, they're really throwing in the towel, though.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Lowry would be a good fit for us.
he at least can make open 3s and he’s a decent PG.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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lowry just dropped a triple double yday
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
You can make an argument that he's the best non-Paul/Rose/Westbrook PG in the league.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
He doesnt have the star name or high profile city,
but i would say he is a top 5 pg in the league.
Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams (not in that order)
and then lowry.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Top 27 if the Lakers get him.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
lol
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
LOL
RIght? something about the lakers render 3pt shooters useless and PGs semi useless
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
you know I find funny that FIsher almost never misses his long 2s
when his toes are on the line but always misses his 3s and that is just one example on how the 3 ball and us never mesh.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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The three point line is his elixir
Sup Mad
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
hey!
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Well, I'm glad he thought he was shooting a 2 on Monday night or we'd be on a 5-game losing streak.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
IKR lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Fisher's 3pt shooting is also dependent on how much time there is on the clock
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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if rondo could shoot the 3 or a long 2,
this would be a different story.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Better defender
and running a lesser offense…
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
depends on what you need.
lowry would be a much better fit on the current lakers than rondo.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Rondo?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
id rather have lowry.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
depends on who else I have
If i have offensive pieces, I’d take Rondo. If I have lesser offense and need PG production from perimeter cuz of lack of shooters, I’d take Lowry
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
i agree.
lowry fits much better on this years lakers than rondo.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I think Rondo is the best passer and defender at his position.
If he develops even a decent shot he’ll be unstoppable. But yes, I think Lowry would help us more right now…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dude has really surprised me. He should be a starter for the West, but probably won't be...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
not with Paul and Westbrook in the west
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Paul doesn't deserve to be on there right now
And I think he’s outplayed Westbrook with a much worse cast around him…
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
wait, what?
are you saying CP3 doesn’t deserve to be an All-Star? And he’s outplayed Westbrook?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I'm saying Lowry deserves it more THIS YEAR than CP3 and Westbrook
But he won’t get it.
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
with the fans voting,
it doesnt matter who deserves it. westbrook and paul will be on the team by reputation alone. lowry may make it by having the coaches vote him in.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Whom? The Lakers or the Rockets?
Because this is a pretty sweet deal from our end.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
rockets
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Yeah, this is a RIDICULOUSLY good deal for us...
their 2 best players for our 2nd or 3rd best and a rookie, lol. Broussard’s a moron… But I hope he’s right for once in his life.
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by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
why would they trade Lowry?!
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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This isn't a report mind you, it was in an Insider article with Broussard making some trade scenarios.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
The March 15 trade deadline is more than six weeks away, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a little fun with trade “projections.” We use that word lightly, since these following scenarios are not deals in the works or rumors we’ve heard. They’re just moves we think make sense, moves that could help both teams, moves that GMs can feel free to borrow if they are so inclined. And all of them work financially.
3. Lakers trade Pau Gasol and Darius Morris to the Houston Rockets for Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry
Without Gasol, the Lakers don’t win their last two championships, period. But time moves on — and so do players, even stars. The Lakers need a shake-up and with Howard (at least in the above scenario) going to the next-door neighbor Clippers, the Lakers can’t rely on Superman bailing them out. So I suggest moving Gasol to the team that nearly had him in December, the Rockets.
Houston is dying to add a star, any star, and it will pay handsomely for one. In Houston, Gasol can return to the post (Mike Brown has him playing on the perimeter in L.A.), where he could give the Rockets a nice inside-outside punch with Kevin Martin. Morris could battle Jonny Flynn for backup minutes behind Goran Dragic.
As for the Lakers, this is just what the doctor ordered. While it doesn’t make them the Western Conference favorites, it certainly gives them a significant and much-needed upgrade at point guard. One of the Lakers’ biggest problems is their inabilty to contain quick point guards. Well, Lowry is a tough, gritty and quick point who has improved dramatically as an offensive player. The Lakers’ already stout defense would improve in an instant, and Lowry also would add to the offense as another playmaker and creator.
And with Scola, the Lakers wouldn’t lose one of their strengths — their size. Bynum and Gasol are the best center-PF combo in the game, but Bynum and Scola wouldn’t be much of a drop-off.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
ah, I figured it would be that.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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What I love about Scola is that he seems to play with the same attitude that MWP did in 2010
and the way that Barnes is playing now which is that they, like Scola, and unlike Pau don’t wish the ball was passed to them, they go and get the ball. Barnes, you can tell, has learned to play with Kobe. He is the only one who cuts and doesn’t wait for Kobe to give him the ball. Scola, imo, is the same type of scrappy player. Besides, I think that Scola is the type of player that doesn’t really play with his back to the basket. I might be wrong but he, like Barnes, score off of hustle plays.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
No, he has a real post game, shoots well from midrange too.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
how old is Scola anyway?
he looks older than Pau.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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31.
same as pau (i think)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
damn
that seems like a good reason to get him if that is the case. I seriously think that he would get more rebounds than Pau does.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
that probably wouldnt happen though.
scola actually does this thing called boxing out and tends to lose a lot of rebounds because he is glued to his man. pau gets a lot of rebounds because he is taller than everybody.
i think pau averages around 9 rebounds a game, while scola is around 6.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
boxing out is good and all
but the Houston team is a terrible rebounding team.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
undersized
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
need better rebounding instincts
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
He does
He is a really scoring threat from the post.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
with a much more consistant 15 ft jumper than Pau
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Yes.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
nah, it's not that much more consistent
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Yes it is
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Pau shoots better from further mid-range
the 16-23 area where we have him most of the time. Scola shoots better from 10-15 where Pau spends almost half as much time and where Scola in turn would spend less time
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Now we are just splitting hairs
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
We're not splitting hairs
where they shoot on the floor is important. I said, he’s not much more consistent and if you look at where they shoot, he’s not much more consistent from the mid-range areas than Pau overall.
that’s even leaving out that Pau plays heavier minutes and still shoots better at the rim and in the post 3-9 ft area.
Pau is just a better player. The prize is obviously Lowry, but Scola is nice to have to replace Gasol even if he is a lesser player, but the thing with trading Pau is always the thing that we NEED a back-up C more than anything else once we do that.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I said we were becos Scola wont be put in that range to shoot anyway
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
how will he not be put in that range
when that’s the range we’re already putting Pau in regularly?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Since they are not the same person you wont expect the same plays to be run
Pre Pau who did we put in that range?
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
well odom was a perimeter player
and so was Vlad Rad. And then before that we had Shaq and we never had a really good PF to play as anything but a hustle player. Neither of our most recent PFs resemble Pau’s game though. Scola is a shorter, lesser version of Pau. Good post player, nice mid-range game, good passer, can work high and low post area, but not a perimeter player and not as offensively diverse. I don’t see how all of a sudden we can create better looks for Scola in his sweet spot than where we’ve had Pau thus far.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
That was not what this conversation was about tho
I just stated how good he is in the post, more than most people know. And somehow it morphed into this. Scola is scola, Pau is Pau. Lowry is what we need #analyzed
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
It turned into this
because I said Scola was not much more consistent than Pau in the mid-range area. You guys disagreed and I was showing you that 1, he’s not much better and 2, he’s only better from the field in one area thus far.
Then you said, we won’t expect the same plays to be run and asked about Pre-Pau which brought the last response.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
if this trade happened,
scola would become our 4th offensive option. he isnt going to get a ton of looks. all i was trying to say is that his 15 ft jumper is better than pau’s and thats where he will probably be on the floor. we wont need him in the post or out past 15 feet. scola is a poor man’s pau.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Why wouldn't he be out past 15 feet?
he’s always out at the 16-23 foot area in Houston as it is.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
hes never played with players like kobe or bynum
who demand double teams. who wont have to be farther out than 15 feet when kobe or bynum (if he learns how) kick it out from a double team.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
i was just trying to say
that you arent going to lose a whole lot offensively going from Pau to Scola as the teams 3rd option.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Lesser ability from the post, 16-23 feet, 3-9 ft,
rebounding, C ability on offense, you’re losing a lot between Pau and Scola.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
which is why i said 15 ft jumper.
that is probably the farthest you want scola going out.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Pau is better everywhere else on the floor even in a down year
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
id take scola's 15 footer over pau's
but yes, everything else, pau does better
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I always thought of him as a slasher. Not sure why. Now that I know he has a post up
game I want him on the Lakers even more now.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
he's got that european type post up game. kinda vlade-like
tricks you with pump fakes and such and then throws it up under your arm.
hes good at it though. but u dont want to have to rely on it late in games. (which we wouldnt have to)
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
They put a pick in it and we're un business
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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
We should be the ones putting in a pick, if anything.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
i'd do it even without the pick lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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They really want Pau though, well assuming that this is true.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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hell,
id even throw in a pick to get this deal done.
we keep the midrange game pau has with scola. who probably is more efficient from aroudn 15 ft. we dont lose much height. and we get a HUGE upgrade at PG.
not sure if Hou is willing to part with Lowry though. Unless, they think they can land D-Will next summer. Houston is close to his home town of Dallas, right?
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
That's the only reason I could see that they'd be interested in this.
We could take back Thabeet’s deal to create more room or something similar, and offer multiple picks for Houston’s flexibility in future deals. Morey would have to be planning for the long-term unless he has another move under his sleeve planned (offer Martin/pieces for someone else?).
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Well, they basically going to do that with the CP3 trade
meaning that they were switching Scola for Gasol. Except, in this suggestion Scola would be going to the Lakers instead of the Hornets. Same difference. Maybe? No?
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
yea but they weren't parting with Lowry
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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It was Scola, Martin, Dragic in the deal.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
and a first round pick
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Still need shooting.
The Lakers need that more than a point guard. Point guard could dribble penetrate and the Lakers would brick potential assists still. And do it in comical manner. I’d do the deal, but the Lakers would still need shooters. If you switch Lowry and inserted Dragic and Martin along with Scola, I’d do that deal too. I like that one more than Lowry and Scola.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wait, what?
You’d take a far worse PG and a scoring wing who would get 20-25 minutes a night tops because of how awkwardly he’d fit into the rotation (can’t play the three, forces Kobe into that spot or forces a big lineup) over an arguably elite PG? That’s crazy.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
You realize that Lowry can shoot, right?
By himself, he fixes some of the spacing problems, gives Kobe more room to operate and opens up the floor for the bigs. Moreover, you can build around Lowry/Bynum in the long-term, as was the intention when we tried to get Chris Paul.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
and he is a bull in the lane
his quickness is pretty sneaky too. And he can make layups when gets to the rim…
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
And plays great defense, takes charges, rebounds extremely well, etc.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Yep. I watch a lot of Rockets ball, I agree
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Oh, is that why you know so much about Scola and Rockets players?
Interesting.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
i live in Houston dude
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Yeah I live in LA dude and I don't watch Clipper games
nice to meet you btw.
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
NBA fan here
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I know Lowry has improved his shooting and overall play this year and last.
Martin and Dragic present more options offensively, more shooting and quality depth. Plus, Kobe would actually have a backup in Martin. I understand that Lowry has been great, I just prefer more quality depth over Scola and Lowry.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I dont think offensive options is what we need at the moment
We need someone to get our offensive options, options. Kobe cant create all the time. A real guard that can run a real offense and some PnR will cause havoc for other teams that attempt to double up any of our “big 3”
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Dragic can create with the use of PnR.
by E-ROC on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Ok
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Don't care.
Don’t want the anti-AMMO
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Lowry is a shooter who will actually take the shots given to him
instead of trying to do too much like our current non-injured PGs
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
He is more than a shooter
He is a playmaker and just deceptively fast for his bull frame
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I get that
I was just saying that his talk of shooters missing doesn’t include the fact that Lowry himself is a shooter who actually shoots the shots given to him instead of forcing silliness
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
this is true marteh
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Oh wow I like that deal!
I drafted Lowry on 2K12 for a reason!
Make it happen Mitch!
"In this league, you gotta learn to run on empty. Fuel level at zero, but still you run." -KB
Chicago Bulls forward Luol Deng has a torn ligament in his left wrist and will be “out for a while,” according to coach Tom Thibodeau.
“I know it’s a bad injury, and it sounds terrible, but I’ll be fine,” Deng said.
Thibodeau said no surgery is planned, but it’s still an option. The coach described him as “week to week.”
somewhere out there Kobe is laughing his ass off.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
that's not his shooting hand btw
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
Let's see how well he plays through this. Should be interesting to watch.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
nah, he's out for "a while"
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
And it's not his shooting hand?! ROFL!!!!
As bad as LeBron with the sprained thumb on his non-shooting hand a few years ago, sat out 5 or 6 games.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Spoiled Kobe fan
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
16 years and counting
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
Not everyone can be Kobe. : )
we aren't winning anything this year man - BlueXfalcon (January 22, 2012)
this would be Kobe's definition of
BITCHASSNESS
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
They make themselves look bad.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
So...Jordan Farmar currently has a 21.4 PER and a 62.4 TS%.
Discuss.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
If you want my initial reaction to this factoid, look at my Twitter feed.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
shameless plug is shameless :)
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
Tweetness
LOL
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME HANDS DOWN!!!!!
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b3z9co
California OWNS ALL
by California Girly Girl on Jan 24, 2012 1:44 PM PST reply actions
We no get Dwight?
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Still have Bynum
But I don’t see why the Nets would agree to that. Giving up WAAAY too much for Pau and Howard, IMO.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
Yeah exactly
the Nets wouldn’treally have any guards left besides Farmar if they made that trade…if you throw in Redick to the Nets then I could see it as a win-win-win
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
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I guess I'd just hate to see us help Dwight get to another team...
Can you swap out Dwight for Bynum? I’m gonna try that actually…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Nevermind, I'd really need to completely rework the trade...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qvj2yv
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I'd hate to lose Blake though.
I also have no desire to have Thabeet on our team…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
If he had 26 POINTS PER game I'd do it...
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Lowry would play 35 min a night,
so blake would be kind of lost.
and thabeet was added to even out the money. hes young and we would need an emergency backup c with pau gone.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Lakers giving up way too much here
PG and PF is a wash and Ebanks for Thabeet would hurt the Lakers long run
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
Follow me on Twitter: @alexvanroekel
Seriously, PGs a wash?
Lowry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blake
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
No, that's not what I said
I’m saying Scola + Lowry isn’t much better than Blake + Gasol
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
Follow me on Twitter: @alexvanroekel
Lowry is a huge upgrade over Blake.
and Scola is a poor mans Pau. Yes, we would lose a bit at PF, but i think we would benefit from this.
Lowry, Kobe, Barnes, Scola, Bynum.
love that lineup.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I get where you are going with this
for me it’s Ebanks that kills it for me. If we are making a trade like this and get a 25 year old PG then it can help the Lakers going forward with Lowry-Ebanks-Bynum which I think would go a long way. Plus we couldn’t bench MWP which is starting to look more and more like something that needs to be done. I just think a lot more can be gotten back if we trade out Pau, Ebanks, and Blake.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
Follow me on Twitter: @alexvanroekel
I think this is about the best we can do.
Lowry is so good right now (and obviously I’m assuming he’ll keep playing like this) that I’d give up Pau/Ebanks/Blake just for him…
If you can't laugh at yourself... laugh at someone else
by x Nightwing x on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
so take out ebanks, and add in caracter or morris or glock.
or a combination of 2 of those 3. i wouldnt really care.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Wow. A well reasoned post from Abbott.
I agree with a lot of what he says about the offense. And nothing unreasonable said about Kobe.
by weak sauce on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM PST via Android app reply actions
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