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Player of the Week: Kobe Bryant

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This pick was made prior to last night's loss against the Pacers, which will be factored into this week's award. The thoughts expressed here were also made prior to the game.

I really hate choosing a Player of the Week in uneventful weeks like this. Being a spoiled Lakers fan, just watching a guy play well while the team loses in horrific fashion doesn't sit well. Maybe if I were a Sacramento or Washington fan, looking for some light in what is usually a losing campaign would be easier to do. Seeing as this employs talents like Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, and Pau Gasol, any performance worthy of Player of the Week, be it Kobe, Metta World Peace, or even Darius Morris (far-fetched at this point) should translate to nice wins. That wasn't the case at all this past week. Even worse, it's beginning to feel like we'll have more of these weeks than we'd like to. The Lakers' "Big 3" just aren't enough to overcome the overall system and talent deficiencies the team has.

Enter Kobe Bryant...

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Many of you around here probably consider me the resident conspiracy theorist (lakergirl, hush). If you follow my Twitter feed (shameless plug), then you'd be very familiar with my love/hate relationship with Kobe, concerns over Jim Buss' power, and NBA politics. The NBA isn't my favorite league just because of the game itself. I'm intrigued by the behind-the-scenes power plays that go on between players, their agents, owners, and management and the way they use the media to promote their agendas. There aren't many (if any) people in the NBA who use the media better than Kobe.

Right now, I feel Kobe is doing everything in his power to put the pressure on Jim Buss to get Dwight Howard here as soon as possible. The more the season progresses, the more it seems the Lakers need to do something quick.

Here's a timeline:

  • Bynum returns to action 12/31 against Denver and looks fantastic in four straight games. Meanwhile, Kobe's shot attempts, ability to carry the Lakers, and effort to get his big men involved are questioned.
  • Following a sub-par night against Golden State (against Kwame Brown!), Bynum is finally dubbed the #2 option by Kobe. Regarding Kobe's 2011 season-ending insistence on Bynum falling in line after himself and Pau, this was no small acknowledgement. Bynum is clearly Jim Buss' favorite son, and many of the moves the Lakers have made seem to be geared towards acquiescing to Bynum's increased role on the team.
  • Kobe then proceeds to scorch the Earth by scoring 40+ points in four straight games. Not only does he renew the media's belief that he still "has" it, but no one questions his shots so long as he made them, helping to prove that he can still dominate in stretches.
  • Then this on 1/12 (three games into his 40+ point run):


  • It seems that Kobe's go-to-guys in the media are Yahoo!'s Adrien Wojnarowski, ESPN's Rick Reilly, and ESPN's Ric Bucher. More likely than not, if I'm hearing a rumor regarding Kobe from them, I'm going to put more stock into it seeing as they probably got the information from Kobe or his camp. At this point, Kobe isn't even being shy about his overtures to Dwight. If he truly wanted to show Dwight what he has left, then it was a message sent loud and clear.
  • After Kobe's final 40-point barrage, then overall ugliness, against Dallas, he "dials" back the scoring as we watch Bynum completely fail against Miami. Kobe wasn't too good either, but if Bynum is going to be the #2 guy, and a leader on this team, he did a poor job of proving it. Bynum started out 1-7 from the floor and was unable to affect the game in any way that could stop Miami from complete domination over the Lakers. For a player we expect to be an All-Star, Bynum's yet to show he can carry a team with his play. Forget Kobe vs. LeBron, Andrew should have destroyed each and every big on Miami.
  • Bynum gets utterly embarrassed by Dwight Howard as the Lakers were run off the floor for the second straight game by an elite team, all while Kobe played the "facilitator", exposing his teammates to be worse than we thought. We knew the talent on this team was thin, but the games against Miami and Orlando proved that the Lakers are nowhere close to contending.

I now feel that there is no way Jim Buss can turn down a trade for Dwight if it's there to be made. Lakers fans are in complete panic mode by now. After Bynum's complete undressing by Dwight, it's no longer a question of making the right basketball decision. From a star standpoint, Dwight already won hands down. If there were still any questions of whether Bynum was in Dwight's class on the court, they were answered with resounding force. Kobe? He's the immovable object that just proved he ain't going anywhere yet. Something has to change.

We love our Lakers to win championships, but we hate not being in the discussion of contenders more than we love to win. If there was any thought Jim Buss had of keeping Bynum (like the failed Chris Paul trade), they should have evaporated in Orlando. Jimmy has to get it done now or he'll face a revolt from a fanbase not comfortable with having Bynum as the future. We're getting antsy and these past few weeks have played out in a such a way that Jim Buss will be forced into action, possibly giving up the one player he's been so reluctant to give up on.

This is nothing personal towards Andrew. I love his game and I count myself as one of those that believes in him, but it's clear that the Lakers have no present, never mind future. Bynum isn't a #1 guy. He isn't ready yet, and I'm not sure he will ever be what we've come to expect in Lakerland.

Kobe made his move, Dwight made his, and now it's Jimmy's turn. Get a deal done.

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If the Lakers can do a Gasol/Bynum for Howard Buss has to pull the trigger

At the same time, I dont think getting Howard would make this team a champion. For sure they would become actual contenders again, but McBob would have to move to the starting lineup, making the bench even weaker than it already is.

There would still be gaping holes at SF, PG, and now, PF because of Gasol.

by NewCavsfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

It wouldn't be a straight Gasol/Bynum for Howard. There would be other pieces coming back from the Magic, including perhaps a PG, which is what we need most.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

... Contract coming back or a couple smaller ones...

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 12:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not saying that we dont need a PG but a

Bynum, Dwight swap instantly upgrades us.

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Preachin' to da choir!

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by SoCalGal on Jan 24, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Then just say Amen already

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Who says it had to be a Gasol & Bynum trade? From what I understand that is a big factor why trade talks have stalled between ORL and LAL. I don’t think the market competitors can offer an single item of value greater than Bynum. If we can figure out a way to get D12 without losing Gasol, even if it means absorbing money, then we will be in postion to get something done (e.g. a package for Deron). Until that point my judgement on this particular Laker unit is one of 1st round mediocrity. Bynum is looking uninterested and Gasol is generally passive. I had a bad feeling about this season during the lockout and, bar the few hours of thinking we landed CP3, that feeling has only strenghtened. MB’s offensive schemes have the Lakers borderlining amongst the worst in the league on that end, and while his defense has had mixed success, it has generally faltered with the efforts of the player’s. It kills me to see this as a Laker fan, but the chances of us progressing anywhere in the playoffs are looking awful dark right now.

by Teeceezy on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

But if the can't get Gasol + Bynum

ORL may very well keep Dwight and see what happens. I think this is a bad move, but the feeling is they are prepared to do it.

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ridiculous.

First, I hate seeing Kobe get this award every freakin week, however meangingless and somewhat deserving, because it is such the perfect example of the kind of attention his game gets him. A game that often mixes with offensive flow like oil and water.

But hey, I’ve really dug his shot selection for (most of) the last two games, so.

Yes, Howard is better. But getting all knee jerky over one game is probably not the way to go. Like Bynum can’t figure out how to defense Howard better? Like he can’t probably put together a better offensive showing (despite the fact he probably would’ve had 16 or so points if he had been able to stay on the floor that night)? He’ll improve some more, but not quick enough for fans with zero patience.

Howard-as-savior is ridiculous. The idea of trading big chunks of this team looks very much like it could only compound the problem, since the body of evidence makes it appear to be systemic in nature.

If there’s one front office in the league that should be shown a little faith from its fans, it’s this one. Luckily they don’t succumb to panic as easily.

by jahidi_jones on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Bynum couldn't figure out too well how to defend Roy Hibbert either, or Chris Bosh and Udonis Haslem. One game? Try a whole weekend's worth.

His being able to stay on the floor is all part of the game, as well as staying in the game mentally, not just scoring points. As for the fans’ patience, it’s not like he’s a rookie, we’ve been waiting for him for a minimum of 4 years, though this is his 7th season. How much longer are we supposed to wait for him to come into his own? Another 4 years? 6? 10?

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Hes played under 30 minutes twice since hes been back

Both of those were foul trouble games. Besides those 2 games he’s routinely played 33-39 minutes a game. Staying on the floor isnt the problem.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 1:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

If he was in foul trouble and playing less than 30 minutes, how is that not a problem?

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If it were a trend then yes

But its not. 2 games in foul trouble out of the 14 hes played in shows he pretty much stays outta foul trouble. He’s played pretty high minutes also. His consistency is an issue but 10 double doubles and leading the team in Off reb Def reb total boards and blocks is basically what he’s expected to do and has been doing better than any other big on the team

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He was sitting out those other games because we were not playing good teams and he was not in condition to keep playing

So… either he’s out of shape or he’s in foul trouble. He’s a very good center, don’t get me wrong, but wondah said it like it is.

by Jevon O on Jan 24, 2012 6:10 AM PST up reply actions  

lol hes had 5: fouls twice

And consistently played 33-39 minutes a game since his 2nd game back. If you’re gonna bash the kid at least get it right lol

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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He keeps getting better and better, doesn't he?

Kobe bumped him up to the #2 option, most everyone thinks he’s the 2nd best center in the league now, so he ain’t too terrible.

by jahidi_jones on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

most everyone thinks that when he's on

he’s the second best C in the league. Always with that caveat

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone who doesn't watch the Lakers closely thinks he's the 2nd best center in the league

and they say it to knock Kobe. As in, if Kobe would just pass him the damn ball, we would win.

Just not the case.

by Jevon O on Jan 24, 2012 6:11 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

who else should've won the award this week?

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Us for putting up with this shit.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

lol that works

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn right

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

With Kobe's window, we dont have the time to sit and wait for Bynum to figure it out

7 years after he go drafted. At some point he is what he is.

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe that we will be ok

Jim just have to pull off that trade, steal a PG, and we will be on our way. I hate losing, but Im hoping Mike Brown gets fired cause I swear he looks over his head right now. This aint Cleveland homie, This is LA,

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by BIGBO on Jan 23, 2012 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

Im guessing the major factor in determining Howards "undressing" of Drew is Howard getting him in foul trouble and playing 20 more minutes

Because if you look at the (and i hate doin it) stats it isnt so cut b dry…
Drew Ts% 61 efg% 68 Oboards% 21 Dboards% 26 total boards% 24 To% 0 usage% 16
Dwight Ts% 49 efg% 43 Oboards% 8.6 Dboards% 45.5 total boards% 26 to% 16 usage% 26
Ill say it again im not against a trade for Dwight but just looking at that game He got better numbers due to getting drew in foul trouble and if thats the waterline then yeah Drew got worked otherwise it wasnt an undressing at all. Especially since Drews rebounding blocks etc were the highest on the team while playing 15 fewer minutes than our other big, Pau.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 1:00 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Thats why I hate stats because it can tell you something totally different

Drew got dominated, plain and simple

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by BIGBO on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

I feel like he wasnt on the court long enough to get dominated.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Well in the small sampling there - he was dominated.

Pau did great on him defensively though…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he did, I give him credit for that

He did what he could do. His rebounding killed us though

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by BIGBO on Jan 23, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew played defense on Dwight terribly

most of Dwight’s bad night came against Pau, so there’s that.

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

What is wrong with this picture?

The ability alone to put Bynum in foul trouble is a liability. Pau who is smaller does a better job.

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Foul trouble due to his trouble with Dwight.

He couldn’t stay on the floor and that matters. This was a big game for Drew and he just didn’t match the moment. I want to see him pass these tests if the Lakers are going to commit to him.

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by wondahbap on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been wondering why there has been such a divide among fans over if the team needs to make a move, but we all want the same thing. A Championship

Some may feel the team needs a drastic overhaul while others think they just need one piece(athletic penetrating point guard). Problem with the latter is there really aren’t any. We had Paul, but that went by the wayside. Unless we draft someone or somehow strip someone of their starting point guard(which aint happening), we have to give up on that for now and do any move that makes us a better team FOR THE FUTURE.

Another divide is the people who says Dwight isn’t a savior and won’t fix all of our problems versus those who feels he does a multitude of things that would help THIS specific squad. I think the problem here is people who want Dwight aren’t saying he is the savior, but that he would improve this team regardless because he is that great of a player. Say what you will about him, but w/o him, Orlando would be a lottery team. While I will agree he won’t be a starting point guard or 6th man who can create his own shot, he makes things easier for his teammates and covers a ton of mistakes on defense. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it, I’m obviously for trading for Dwight, but I do love Drew’s talent and game. I just wanted to take a look at the positives he would bring:

-He passes out of doubles well. Something Drew struggles with, which in turn causes turnovers or missed open shot opportunities because if he does kick it back out it’s overthrown or thrown too low.

-He’s a better team defender which is what we need with this squad. I shouldn’t really have to explain this one, but we’ll just say there is a reason why teams featuring Ryan Anderson, J.J Redick, Jameer Nelson, Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, etc. was still one of the better defensive teams in the league.

-He is naturally more athletic. We know this team needs this badly and as young as Drew is he has never been a highflyer or full sprinter. He trollops down the floor and misses lots of chances at buckets and rebounds because he can’t get that high(same with Pau)

-As much as it’s leaping ability it’s also effort for rebounding. Some nights Drew and Pau go after the ball with aggression and BOX OUT. A lot of nights though, they don’t even try. It’s frustrating to watch knowing they aren’t giving 100%. Dwight on the other goes after the ball with aggression. Whether you blame Pau or Drew for biting into each others rebounding, look at the games and not stats and tell me Dwight wouldn’t still be a better rebounder.

-He tries EVERY night. On the other hand, sometimes Drew just doesn’t play with the fire. Same with Pau. Sometimes they just zone the hell out and it’s frustrating as hell.

-He gets teams into foul trouble. As simple as that sounds, just think about that for a minute. Remember when Shaq was a Laker? Well for as many free throws he missed, he got other players free throws from teams demolishing him down low. Look at all the games where Kobe can’t get free throws, what if Dwight gets the other team into the bonus early in quarters and when Kobe gets fouled he gets free throws instead of 14 seconds back on the clock to bail the Lakers out again.

-He’s a better player. As much as I love Drew, I just think he isn’t what Jim Buss or some people hope he’ll be. I KNOW, with Dwight because I’ve seen it. I trust that more.

I’ll probably get flack for this post,but this is just how I see it. It has always been said that if it’s a star out there available, you do nearly anything you can to acquire them. In this generation Idk if that holds true all the time(ex. Melo), but how many times is that a franchise center who also dominates both sides of the ball like few others?

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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

All good points, very well thought out.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks SCG

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 23, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

All very valid points

that I have made numerous times over to those who oppose a trade. I like Bynum and I think he is may be the 2nd best center in the NBA but is no Dwight Howard. That isn’t a knock on Drew, Howard could easily be one of the top 5 centers of all time when he retires.

He wouldn’t cure all the Lakers woes, but he sure would do well to patch many of them up.

by Actuarially Sound on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not against trading for Dwight

But defense isnt whats killing this team. Piss poor shooting is whats killing us. It doesnt matter how well Dwight passes out of a double team the garbage we have on the perimeter wont hit the shots. Getting Dwight would b a great move but to think just because we add him our shooters will all of a sudden hit shots is a bit much

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I think the idea is not just to get Dwight at this point.

Having him and Kobe, we should be able to get at least another great player – maybe not Deron status, but still…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason I made that point was to say his passes could increase their chances of going in by having even more open looks.

Whether they go in or not is another story. Regardless, it’s not like we cant sign role playing shooters over the years to fill out the roster even more.

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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What does the defense matter if we cant score?

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Shooters like to know where they normally get the ball

Dwights ability to kick out to players make them ready to catch and shoot. How many times have u seen the ball kicked out to Kapono and he takes a dribble instead of shoot? Its because he is not even certain that the ball will come to him and when it does he is confused as hell

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah i agree

Also the fault of a squeaky offense. I’d like to know what we do in practice.

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Amen!

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

All I know is if this keeps up it's a damn shame

It’s a shame to waste Kobe, who besides the wrist is obviously the most healthy freshest Kobe we’ve seen in years. Kobe doesn’t deserve to go out like this on a team that is completely inept, and a front office that is just happy being idle and waiting for their billion dollar deal to kick in next season.

I would rather see Kobe go somewhere else and have a chance to win a ring than see him toil away and waste his final good years on a team that doesn’t even seem to want to try. He deserves alot better than what he’s getting right now.

by purrrrrple on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

idk about years

maybe since 2010 finals lol

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

As far as Kobe being healthy?

Because I don’t think he’s been this healthy since 2009

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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 23, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

usually when people say "years"

they usually mean far more than a couple or a few. They usually mean an extended period of time. For instance, when speaking of Grant Hill in 2010, people said, this is the best we’ve seen him in years following his career-long battle with injury. Saying this is the healthiest Kobe has been in years, gives the image that he’s been unhealthy for a longer period of time than he has. he’s had his pinky injury since like 2006, so I guess years works out if that’s what you’re talking about

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

usually when people say "years"

they usually mean far more than a couple or a few. They usually mean an extended period of time. For instance, when speaking of Grant Hill in 2010, people said, this is the best we’ve seen him in years following his career-long battle with injury. Saying this is the healthiest Kobe has been in years, gives the image that he’s been unhealthy for a longer period of time than he has. he’s had his pinky injury since like 2006, so I guess years works out if that’s what you’re talking about

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe you should just go back to ignoring my posts

it was better that way. no reason to be combative in response. You could’ve just elaborated if I misinterpreted you.

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL SMH @ all this

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I would rather see Kobe retire than go ring-chasing.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think he would at this point anyway.

Not to mention Mitch and Jim Buss would be burned at the stake if they traded him…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Like shaq huh

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I can understand wanting to do right by Kobe

But at some point the future of the TEAM has to take precedence over a single player. I appreciate what Kobe has done but the Lakers will continue on after he retires and i want whats best for the long term future of the team. What that will involve idk but im curious to see how it turns out

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Are you seriously considering trading Kobe?

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

No sir

I will say i value the future of the team more than mortgaging everything for a win now approach with disregard for the post Kobe era.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 4:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Okay.

Basically you meant we should just not mortgage the future to win now… I agree, which is why I think we need to, at the very least, try to get younger…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

We have gotta get younger

Fast athletic teams give us fits..I dont see that changing and to b honest i dont see Dwight coming to us. At this point what would b the advantage beyond playing in Hollywood? We would still suck except it would b the players outside of Him and Kobe instead of Kobe drew and Pau. granted, All that would depend on who we get in return but i would doubt itll b alot

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

LOL

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a nagging feeling they are rebuilding

But rebuilding in one of Kobe’s few best years hurts.

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Leave the Lakers? Dude. Really?

You should look into past players who have taken that route and they’ve got the ring alright, ring of mediocrity, a slow dying torturous downward spiral into retirement filled with remorse and shame.

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by jXn on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

ahem...past FRANCHISE players***

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by jXn on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Knicks are supposedly going after Howard now.

They would be offering A’m’a’r’e’ and Chandler for Dwight.

Here is the article:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/10220/sas-magic-inquire-about-dwight-to-knicks

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

Well, Steven A. Sources say that the MAGIC inquired about it

Either way NY can’t offer that until like March anyway because Chandler was just signed.

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I forgot about that

I think it would be intriguing offer for them, but it doesn’t do much for their future IMO. I still think Bynum is their best offer.

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

what a joke. not that i can ever take anything screamin a smith says anyway. but who would want to lock themsleves into that clusterfuck of a organization right now.

if i’m dwight i’d rather walk into a me and kobe situation rather than a me and carmelo situation, and we are a much more stable franchise to root down with.

by purrrrrple on Jan 23, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Have they watched Stoudemire play this year?!

Seriously, they would take him over Bynum?

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

its Better deal than Bynum and pieces

You get a scorer plus a defensive anchor to go along with the shooters they already have.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Maybe true, but have YOU watched Amare play this year?

Besides, they both have 4 years on their deals (not sure about opt-out clauses) and Chandler is WAY overpaid. This is a good deal for NY, it’s not as good deal for ORL. Bynum/Pau would be way better, but I see what you’re saying about just Bynum…

Regardless, Dwight hasn’t said he’d sign a deal there.

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

i think that would b a foregone conclusion

The Knicks are just as impressive as the Lakers if youre goibg by big market status

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 4:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

True, but then he doesn't seem to want to go to Chicago, and they're a big market, and a better fit than NY...

Honestly, we’d be a better team if you swap out Pau/Bynum for Dwight than NY if they do Chandler/Amare for Dwight right now. Both teams still need another great player, and/or a decent bench…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

idk

NY at least has young guys to groom and develop while we are still old and slow outside of Dwight. The Knicks future looks much better in comparison and they will likely have cap room to sign D Will

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

How much room would they need to sign Deron?

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

im guessing around 14-15 million

Amare and Chandlers contracts would clear that room. He wants a realistic chance at a title then that big 3 is a monster

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 4:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

You've forgotten they'd have to take another big contract back...

And the Magic don’t have any big expiring contracts on their roster. There’s no way they have more than 8 million in cap space…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Id assume theyd buyout any player they got in return

Take the hit this year and i think it wouldnt count against em next year but im not sure. If thats the case then it wouldnt matter

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 4:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

No, it's not

it further throws off the rebuilding they should be doing by replacing it with two players that don’t complement each other very well as well as throwing their cap out of wack. Not to mention it can’t be a straight up trade. Orlando will have to give up more than Dwight just to make salaries match. Bad trade for Orl, GREAT for NYC

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I have no idea why ORL would do this trade, but if they offered it to me (NY) I’d do it in a heartbeat…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

you'd be a fool not to

and if I was an owner and found out, you’d be fired quicker than you could hang up the phone on the deal. then I’d catch the phone before it hit the receiver and yelled YES!!!!!

then I’d make this face to the rest of the league:

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL!

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, how do you post pics?

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I use..

tinypic.com

That should work for gifs too, but I haven’t tried.

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean posting them on here.

How do you make them show up instead of being a link… Is it just drag and drop?

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

oh sorry about that

I had a response but forgot to send it to you earlier.

You hit the little tree button and put in the url for the picture and then it’ll show up. Use preview to make sure it works

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

No problem, thanks!

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

But put it in the comment box, not the subject line.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

ok...

im going to say it…this dude creeps me the f*ck out!

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 24, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Taking Drew and Pau would b rebuilding?

Pau is older than amare and Chandler and both players fit that uptempo system better than Drew and Pau would. Obviously if true that Orlando inquired about that deal it must b something they like about it. Amare played better before Melo got there abd i guess they would b counting on him returning to that form

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 5:14 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

As E-ROC just mentioned...

Amare’s always injured, he’s a bad defender and rebounder. And this year he’s been terrible offensively. Chandler is what he is, I wouldn’t say he’s better than Bynum, and he’s older and getting paid just as much – for longer.
So let’s say Pau and Amare are a wash, would you rather have Chandler or Bynum?

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Id rather have Drew

But if they’re looking for a more athletic pnr defender along the lines of Dwight then Chandler is your man.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 5:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Chandler you can't build a team around.

Bynum has a much better chance to be that guy, though he’s not a sure thing either…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew is the rebuilding piece

and the key element of Pau isn’t his age, but his shorter contract and the fact he is still a sought after trade piece with teams. With NYC, they’re signing two players, one receiving max money and one receiving damn near close to it. In two years, Chandler/STAT will be making over 35 million and with the new CBA coming that is a crippling combination for a guy whose oft-injured and never plays defense nor passes all that well and depends a lot on the pnr.

Orl will get rid of Turk’s contract as well. They’ll be parting with 30 million in salary while taking on even more. That’s not rebuilding, that’s reloading, but instead of reloading with franchise players, you’r reloading with guys who absolutely need other players around them to maximize their output. Not to mention that in a lot of ways, offensively Chandler and Amare are redundant as great pnr men. Add in his horrid defense and you just don’t build your franchise around Amare

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You're assuming they wanna rebuild

When it’s already been reported they dont want to rebuild. They might not value Pau or Drew as much as you think as has been been reported. Theres also the fact that our management has stated they wont trade both for Howard. Drew + pieces or Amare and Chandler? Thats not a hard decision to make

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 5:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Then why trade Dwight at all?

They’re a better team now than with Amare/Chandler. They aren’t winning championships anytime soon, even with Dwight. As will be demonstrated in their upcoming schedule.

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Its better than letting him walk for nothing

If my only options are get nothing or get Amare and Chandler then im going with the Knicks trade

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

With Pau and Drew they can rebuild and be competitive.

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Our management already said they're not trading both for Howard

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

They'll probably give in when it comes down to it...

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Who knows lol

I think we can get more assets (players + picks) by trading them separately

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Undoubtedly.

But if we don’t get Dwight Bynum probably stays…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 6:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

honestly...

i dont think ANY trade is going down this yr. this is the team that jim buss is going to stick with.

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that even Jim is deluded enough to think we're contenders.

There will be at least a smaller trade I think…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

aside from the obvious players...

i dont see anyone else out there for the lakers to try and trade for.teams want bynum/gasol…and thats it. they would rather try and gut the lakers for whomever, and thats what jim buss’ is talking about.

so like i said…D12 cant even make up his mind, i have a feeling he’s staying, so with that, so is this team…staying intact.

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 23, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

No way he stays in ORL beyond this year.

But they may very well keep him past the deadline…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 6:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

just curious nightwing...

for the smaller trades you mentioned…what senario’s do you have? im intrigued….

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 23, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it would probably have to involve the Odom TPE. But I know Mayo and D.Harris names have been thrown around (they wouldn’t fit in the TPE). I’d really like to get Aaron Brooks from PHX, after he’s released from his Chinese contract. Another name is J.R. Smith, I don’t know how I feel about that one… I have faith Mitch will do SOMETHING, eve if it’s not a blockbuster…

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by x Nightwing x on Jan 23, 2012 7:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL I thought the argument was comparing both Gasol and Bynum

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

against Amare and Chandler..

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by PoPs_737 on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not assuming they want to rebuild.

I’m assuming that they’re trying to reload, but that would be the worst possible bullets to combine together. Amare and Chandler are not complimentary and both are extremely overpaid. Not to mention the cap hell they will be in and the fact that there would only enough room to create the Disney World Knicks and it’s just not a good decision, especially with the contracts extending into the new areas of the CBA where cap space will certainly be more limited and building a contender far more expensive if over half of your cap is taken up by two players who aren’t even franchise guys

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The point is our management said they wont do Bynum and Gasol

In the race to do something before getting left with nothing i would take that deal before taking just Bynum and scraps. Depending on the validity of Stephen A’s tweet the Magic asked the Knicks about it so they might like that offer better especially if the Knicks include Shumpert,Landry or Douglas

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I take Bynum, picks, and scraps

and the ability to get more players this offseason than signing myself into cap hell for the next 4 years

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

Amare is a year removed from hittin for 25 a game and shootin 50% from the field. they might like that better

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

They want to win and not be in this situation again

you’re just creating the Universal Studios Hawks

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not creating anything

ORLANDO inquired about the deal lol Quite honestly the production of both will make up for his loss in both scoring and rebounding. Chandler is a great help and pnr defender in his own right. i couldnt fault the Magic for taking the deal especially if they get rid of turks deal. Either way they’ll b in better shape than the Lakers who will have more money tied to 1 player (30mil)than the magic would with both Chandler and Amare

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by EmmCeee on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

31 million this year

and the final year, 37 million for far longer into the new CBA. Much more screwed, especially if Chandler and Amare with no back-ups become just as injury prone as they’ve always been. Not to mention that Amare is a terrible defender in every way even if he just has to funnel a guy. Also, Chandler is a one dimensional offensive player whose shown in NYC that a frontline of he and Amare isn’t exactly a winning defensive combo. Factor in the coach’s entire defensive scheme involved the larger, more athletic, Dwight and you have a team that’s < on defense and prolly = on offense.

Lastly, not saying you’re creating anything, but you’re defending it as a solid move. I’m just saying that this “solid move” made solely to get the best players back for Dwight is poor team building and you’re going to end up with a situation just like NYC currently or like the Hawks where you’re best player is a second-tier guy making franchise money and everybody else whose similarly valuable making less than what they should, all while spending a hell of a lot to not win anything in a far more restrictive NBA salary cap landscape

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I look at it like this

Amare>Anderson across the board..Thats where the defensive comparisons need to be because thats the position he plays. Offensively he makes up for the loss of Dwight. Chandler wont give you Dwight numbers but he’ll give you a double double and great D. You upgrade at pf, Downgrade at C plus you upgrade the bench with Anderson and have quite a bit of versatility in the lineups you can run out there. If Orlando’s not worried about the cap then i think they got sumn better than Bynum and scraps

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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 5:30 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He did that last year

Knicks were middling .500 team and then they signed Melo and he doesn’t fit thus far. yeah, good job on the reload strategy. I mean, his knees that aren’t insured on a contract that will soon make him the second/third highest paid player in the NBA

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Ewww....

Orlando is taking on Amare’s contract along with the player. Amare is an awful rebounder for a big man, not to mention that he’s been getting injured of late. Bad back and other assortment of injuries have slowed him. Chandler is injury prone, though he has been healthy of late. Neither player presents problems for the other team and don’t command a double team like Howard. They also don’t pass like Howard either. The defense can stay tight on their shooters and not give them open looks. The pick and roll offense would still be there but thats about it

by E-ROC on Jan 23, 2012 5:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Someone PLEASE think of Ryan Anderson!!!

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by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone PLEASE think of Ryan Anderson!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone PLEASE think of Ryan Anderson!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, alright already.

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Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

my computer was being really slow. You can delete the others lol

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 23, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 24, 2012 6:34 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

I told SCG to erase it

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 24, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

I told SCG to erase it

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 24, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

damnit

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the main thing people are forgetting is what Orlando is thinking

Not only does DeVos want to see the team win now, but you have to remember they just built that arena down there. They NEED someone to sell to the fans. If the team has established vets that can give them an established presence that would be best to keep attendance high because fans will still believe in the teams’ ability to win.

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

Orlando would be stupid not to take this

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by bluexfalcon on Jan 23, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

to take this*

and NY will continue to be NY. Terrible GM after terrible GM decision

did they fire Pringles yet?

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by bluexfalcon on Jan 23, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

if ORL makes this trade

they beat NY for stupid decisions in one move.

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by deadmuse on Jan 23, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

add one...extract one.

wont work for them. losing amar’i, then again….

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 23, 2012 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Ship his ass out!!!

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by jXn on Jan 23, 2012 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

My two cents

If the Lakers had a real honest to goodness point guard, they are the best team in basketball, right now with the team they have right now. Bynum and Gasol are lack luster right now cause they think they are out of here, and they may be right.

The Lakers for years now, and it has not mattered who they have brought in, absolutely suck at hitting 8 to 12 foot open jumpers. Kobe can not make them either, he has to be doubled to make his. Had they realy bid on Billups, this team would crush teams, but thats spilled milk. If we get Howard we will still be good, but unless we get someone to make open jumpers this team is going nowhere. Hell who would of thought we would have to blow up the team cause we can not find a point guard. Sad.

by snob on Jan 23, 2012 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

We couldn't bid on Billups even if we wanted to.

Only teams under the salary cap could.

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

by snob on Jan 24, 2012 5:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Havent read through all the comments

But Kobe being player of the week 3 times in a row is a problem. Plain and simple. Where are his teammates? Is anyone going to step up?

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:27 AM PST reply actions  

Yep.

I agree. Someone else needs to step the fuck up…(if Kobe lets them…haha)

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by wondahbap on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey now.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 24, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey luv.

I know….I know…..it’s my turn.

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by wondahbap on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Noticed how i ignored him?

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Because you said (lakergirl, hush)

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

WHAT?

ME? LIL LAKERGIRL? Noooooooo

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Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you not Wondah?

Many of you around here probably consider me the resident conspiracy theorist (lakergirl, hush)

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 7:29 AM PST reply actions  

Proud of it.

I would get along great with Bill Simmons.

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by wondahbap on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

No no stop it right there

Going down Billys path is dangerous. You are a laker fan

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by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd have to re-think my wondah-love.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Indiana_Pacers.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 24, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too

But i dont create the shit storm that he does…wait, i dont have a platform

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Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Jan 24, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I would have liked to see...

Bynum play near the amount of minutes that Dwight did before we throw up these “completely outplayed” labels.

10/12/2 in 26
21/22/1in 45

those are tough to compare.

by rshinsec on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

Thats all im saying

I didnt know foul trouble counted as domination. Personally i think the early fouls were just the superstar calls Dwight will get. It is what it is.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Was Bynum allowed to be interchangeably guarded by two different 7 footers? No.

that kinda makes it even more difficult to compare.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn I think Bynum caught the residual Shannon Brown flu.

You know, come out strong, win everyone’s hearts only to step on them later and suck until he gets traded.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 24, 2012 1:25 PM PST reply actions  


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