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What Happened to the Lakers Shooting?

On the slight chance you haven’t noticed, the Lakers are currently dead last in three point shooting this year. They have made only 69 of their 268 attempts, a rate of 25.7%. The fact that last night’s poor 6 for 20 from behind the arc counts as a good shooting night for the purple and gold speaks volumes about just how abysmal this has become. The Lakers haven’t always been a poor three-point shooting. Just a few seasons ago, when Pau Gasol was acquired, the Lakers finished 6th in the league in three point shooting percentage. However subsequent seasons saw the Lakers long range assault sputter to the point that it derailed their quest for a three-peat last season. This season was supposed to be different though. The Lakers used virtually every acquisition to bring in guys who can stretch the floor. So why is it not paying off? Let’s take a look at how the Lakers went from 6th to 30th in a span of 5 seasons and then what it means going forward.

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How we got here:

The 2007-08 Lakers were a surprise team that season even prior to the Gasol trade. The emergence of a legitimate big man in Andrew Bynum coupled with the three-point shooting abilities of many of the roles players had the Lakers fighting for a top seed in the West. When Bynum went down with a season ending injury and Gasol was acquired everyone forgot how good they had played up to that point in the season. When Gasol put a Lakers jersey on for the first time he joined a team that was 30-16 (on pace for a 54 win season) and a big reason was the Lakers new found ability to punish teams with the three-point shot.

Here is a chart showing the three point percentages for each of the main shooters on that roster. The width of each column represents the percentage of the team’s attempts that each player took and is charted in descending order.

2007-083pt

For example, Kobe Bryant took the largest percentage by far, making 36% of them. Farmar was second in attempts converting 37% of them. The team as a whole made almost 38% of their attempts that season. That translates into the equivalent of shooting nearly 57% on two-point field goals. It truly was a devastating piece of the 3rd most efficient offense in the league. There are two reasons the Lakers shot such a high percentage as a team:

  • They had many very good shooters
  • The good shooters took most of the threes

The Lakers had three shooters make over 40% that season: Derek Fisher (40.6%), Sasha Vujacic (43.7%), and Vladimir Radmanovic (40.6%). Farmar and Kobe were also pretty good shooters that year. This group of players combined to take 86% of the three point attempts, limiting the negative impact of the non-shooters who make the "Other" group in the graph (primarily Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, and Trevor Ariza).

Fast forward to the next season (2008-09) and on the heels of a NBA Finals loss to a more physical and defensive oriented team in the Boston Celtics, the Lakers begin to make some roster changes. The Lakers shipped out Vladimir Radmanovic mid-season to save money and increase playing time for the younger and more capable defender in Trevor Ariza. Farmar’s weaknesses on defense led to a small reduction in minutes but a huge reduction in confidence and willingness to shot the three. Vujacic also had a regression as he certainly couldn’t maintain a shooting percentage like the year before. The result is that not only do several Lakers have worse individual years, but the distribution of shots changes.

2008-093pt

The Lakers now have a non-shooter in Ariza and a struggling Farmar taking shots that were previously being taken by guys like Radmanovic. In one season the Lakers go from making 37.8% of their threes to only 36.1%, falling to 19th in the league.

In the end the Lakers were able to catch lightning in a bottle when in the playoffs Trevor Ariza, Lamar Odom, and Shannon Brown each made over 47% of their three-point attempts to help lead the Lakers to a championship. While no one would complain about winning a championship, the way in which it was done proved to be fools gold that had a dramatic effect on the Lakers personnel moves the following season.

The following summer Ariza was able to convince Houston that his new found stroke was not just a hot streak and parlayed it into the maximum mid-level salary. The Lakers, being somewhat wise, did not overpay but instead acquired Metta World Peace to fill the void. World Peace has historically been a better defender and shooter than Ariza so this was a smart move. Unfortunately not all moves were the wisest in hindsight. While the Lakers felt that Ariza’s hot streak was simply that and nothing more, they apparently felt that Shannon Brown could actually play and proceeded to give Vujacic’s minutes to Brown.

2009-103pt

The 2009-10 season saw the Lakers three point percentage drop again to only 34.1%. Two new names emerged on the list of players to take a large share of the threes, Lamar Odom and Shannon Brown. No longer on the list from a few seasons prior were sharpshooters Vujacic and Radmanovic. The Lakers overcame these limitations and exacted revenge on the Boston Celtics to win a second straight title.

The following offseason the Lakers lost an unhappy Farmar and replaced him with the far better Steve Blake. Unfortunately, whether it was a lack of confidence or understanding of the triangle, the Lakers best three-point shooter seemed hesitant to shoot the three. He ended up taking fewer attempts than Artest or Brown, both of which are also role players whose job it is to catch and shoot on offense.

Further hurting the Lakers that season was a hot start by Shannon Brown. Brown started the year on fire and it wasn’t long before the front office decided it would be in the team’s best interest to move Vujacic and his contract and give the minutes to Brown full-time. It wasn’t long afterwards that Brown’s streak ended and a cold spell began. He proceeded to struggle the rest of the season while Vujacic flourished with his new team.

2010-113pt

The Lakers finished the season with a slightly better three point shooting percentage of 35.2%. The main reason for the increase was the hot start by Brown and a career year from Odom that screams "fluke" like no other season. When both players came crashing down to reality in the playoffs, so to did the Lakers dreams of a three-peat as they were quickly dismissed by a Mavs team that seemingly couldn’t miss from beyond the arc.

Much like the Lakers last playoff exit, the front office looked at the team that eliminated them and basically said, "We need more of that". When Boston eliminated the Lakers it set the stage for the evolution away from non-defensive sharpshooters (Vujacic and Radmanovic) towards more defensive oriented players (Ariza and then World Peace). When Dallas eliminated the Lakers it shifted the focus back to the need to acquire shooters again. The Lakers signed Jason Kapono who one could easily argue is a worse player than Sasha Vujacic. With minutes and confidence Sasha could shoot the ball with the best of them and his defense, while not great, is vastly superior to Kapono. They also signed Troy Murphy as a floor spreading power forward who doesn’t play much defense. He essentially fills the role the Radmanovic had a few seasons ago. In a twist of irony Radmanovic is currently shooting over 40% from beyond the arc this season on nearly 4 attempts per game in Atlanta and is posting the highest PER of his career (and much higher than Murphy’s currently).

The Lakers have taken the long route but their current roster resembles a similar make-up as that 2007-08 team that was the 6th best team in the association at shooting the ball. So why are the Lakers now dead last instead?

What is wrong this year:

This gets back to the two reasons for team success shooting the ball. You first need to have shooters (which the Lakers do) and the second piece is that you need them to shoot.

The Lakers have a roster filled with great shooters, unfortunately they just aren’t shooting the ball and when they do they aren’t shooting it well. In that 2007-08 season the combination of Vujacic and Radmanovic combined to take almost 30% of the three-point attempts. The current pairing of Kapono and Murphy has taken roughly 10%. In fact, Pau Gasol’s (11) attempts aren’t far behind Murphy’s (13) and not far from Kapono’s (17). The only sharpshooter on the roster that seems willing to pull the trigger with regularity is Steve Blake, but he will now be out of the line-up for extended time as his chest heals.

2011-123pt

In addition to the newly acquired shooters not shooting, the old guard (players that have been the roster a few seasons) are more than willing to take the shots and for reasons unknown can’t seem to make any of them. The combination of Bryant, Fisher, and World Peace have taken over 50% of the three point attempts and made only 23% of those. It is one thing to have a small dip in shooting but this leaves me at a loss for words. These are three veteran players whose three point abilities are well established and they are all proceeding to set an unprecedented drop in three point percentage without any reason to account for it. Perhaps Kobe’s wrist could be a reason but he is making shots from 15 to 20 feet at a rate just as high (if not higher) than in years past. The odds of Kobe going through a stretch like this based on his career 3P% is once every 2.7 seasons. The odds of Fisher going through a stretch like this is once every 4.5 seasons. The odds that World Peace, a career 34% three point shooter, going 4 for 33 is once in 215 seasons. The odds that all three of them do it simultaneously would be roughly once in 2,500 seasons! It certainly can’t continue and perhaps this little road trip's 8-22 (36%) is the beginning of a more normal shooting percentage, but just because they return to normal won’t mean the Lakers will be a great shooting team again.

Here is a chart showing the Lakers shooting percentages for their career with the current season’s shot distribution.

2011-123ptrevised

If every player reverted back to their career average the Lakers would be expected to make 35.4% of their attempts. It certainly is a vast improvement over the 25.7% they are making currently, but it would still make them a roughly average three point shooting team. If the Lakers want to be a really good three point shooting team then they need to also correct the distribution of attempts, most likely fewer for Bryant, World Peace, and Barnes and more attempts for Blake, Fisher, Kapono, and Murphy.

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and it seems to me with a point guard penetrating and getting good looks for our shooters along with andrew handling double teams better and kicking it out to his shooters for in rhythm 3's we will improve

"Some time ago, I'm talking to some people and they wanted a bonus if the Lakers make the playoffs. I said, 'If they don't make the playoffs, you don't work here anymore.'" -- me

by Dr Jerry Buss on Jan 21, 2012 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Ditto

Here’s a hint for Drew on double teams. Got the ball?
They’re coming.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).

by Zen and Tonic on Jan 21, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

cant handle them...learn to FOOKin pass!

KOBE BEAN FOOKin BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I said it......He be DA best!!

by Sarge Clemins on Jan 21, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Orlando_Magic.
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by SoCalGal on Jan 21, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

If there is one area where Howard showed his superiority yesterday...

It was his ability to see the double team coming, locate the open shooter, and deliver a pass that was right on target for a catch and shoot three.

When the double comes to Drew he often hestitates and then turns it over. When he does pass it out, it is rare that the pass is right on the money. Many of his passes force the open Lakers to have to catch the ball above his head (or even jump for it). By the time the player catches the ball and then brings it down to begin his shooting motion the other team has already began to rotate and contest the shot.

The passing ability of Howard vs Andrew is the equivalent of Steve Nash vs Smush Parker.

by Actuarially Sound on Jan 21, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, burn.
The passing ability of Howard vs Andrew is the equivalent of Steve Nash vs Smush Parker.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Orlando_Magic.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 21, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol nice

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Serious....how FOOKin hard is it to learn....i mean come on man!
It was his ability to see the double team coming, locate the open shooter, and deliver a pass that was right on target for a catch and shoot three.

KOBE BEAN FOOKin BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I said it......He be DA best!!

by Sarge Clemins on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

absolutely

a nice on the numbers pass in rhythm will make all the difference in the world

"Some time ago, I'm talking to some people and they wanted a bonus if the Lakers make the playoffs. I said, 'If they don't make the playoffs, you don't work here anymore.'" -- me

by Dr Jerry Buss on Jan 22, 2012 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I've come to the conclusion.

I’m on #teamd-will more than I am on #teamhoward

So let’s get both. :DD

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Jan 21, 2012 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

I wish there was some way the Lakers could get D-Will without giving up Bynum

Howard wouldn’t really solve any problems. Yea he’s an upgrade, but the Lakers already have one of the best centers in the league already and he’s having a great year so far. But as for PGs, they have an old veteran who was a reliable starter at one point but is just… old now. A rookie who is an absolute turnover king, and another veteran who is basically Fisher except he’s hitting more shots this year.

Deron Williams is one of the best PGs in the league and I’d absolutely love to have him. It’s interesting to think what it would take to get him.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the point of having a player like Jason Kapono on the roster

if he’s not going to take a lot of 3-points shots…?

Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.

by D4P on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

I’m more irritated by the fact he’s not making them.

by reed'sravens on Jan 21, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

because if his defender isnt 30 feet away from him

thats the only way he can get a shot off, cuz once he plants his feet? thats what he becomes…a plant!

by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 21, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

For his defense? – lol

by ________key on Jan 21, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

it's going to be a rough season ladies and gentlemen

"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson

by lakerdynasty on Jan 21, 2012 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

Mike Brown isn't going to play Kapono or Murphy long enough for them to make an impact.

Neither player provides much resistance on the other end of the floor, something that Brown values much more. Thus, those two players are or have been a waste since they can’t effective play defense. I think the Lakers have to look elsewhere for their shooting like their D-League affiliate because no one is going to trade for the Lakers trash, outside of the big 3.

by E-ROC on Jan 21, 2012 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

It's amazing how they've fallen off a cliff

Steve Blake has been very impressive thus far, but the extent that Fisher, Artest and Bryant have dropped off from three this year so far is baffling. I know they’re getting older and there was a lockout, but seriously Metta. 4-33?

Fisher has been starting to hit them a little more recently after something like a 1-12 or 1-13 start. Kobe is Kobe- I’d expect he’ll get back up to his career norms by the end of the year. But MWP is the most shocking one. Three pointers aren’t his game, but he’s never been even close to this bad. You’d expect he has to improve at some point.

My message would be for Fish and Blake to keep shooting them. Kapono needs to start shooting them more (it’s his only freaking job). And Artest needs to lock himself in a gym and take about 500 of those catch and shoot threes a day. And Kobe can just keep being Kobe.

And for the love of god Fisher, if he actually took as many threes as he thinks he’s taking, that percentage would be higher. STOP TAKING 23.8 foot jumpers!

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

For the Lakers to become successful they don't need to become a great 3 point shooting team.

Just, get back to your average and that will really free up our big men to do some work.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32

by 99bc99 on Jan 21, 2012 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

No, they don't need to be a great shooting team

They just need to resign AMMO. I can pretty much guarantee it will solve every single problem.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Fek, why didn't I think of that?

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32

by 99bc99 on Jan 21, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

KOBE BEAN FOOKin BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I said it......He be DA best!!

by Sarge Clemins on Jan 21, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Old team on lots of back to backs. It isn’t that much of a surprise that long distance shooting percentages are dropping. Legs are perhaps the most important part of the 3.

by ________key on Jan 21, 2012 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Word. Compounded by our oldest legs taking the majority.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).

by Zen and Tonic on Jan 21, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

and probably taking them because they are tired. lol

by ________key on Jan 21, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

True

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).

by Zen and Tonic on Jan 21, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Team Improvements

It’s time for Laker management to get off their butts! We know it’s hard for them to make a trade, as they don’t have much to trade back. So explore all options in the mean time! Sign Gil Arenas to a couple of 10 day contracts & see how he works out. If that doesn’t work sign Alan Iverson to a couple of 10 day contracts. If that doesn’t work out sign the best guard in the D-league to a couple of 10 days. Do something! None of these options involve giving up players or trades. (may have to cut someone eventually) Do something!

by Bronzegod on Jan 21, 2012 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

I think the D-League option you mentioned should be first really

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 21, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to have sex with this article.

Get ready to be printed out and shown some serious love.

THANKY YOU for illustrating how ridiculous this has all been. It’s not at all really a broken goddang model, it’s the parts installed into the actual machine have all being performing very strangely.

Get back to reasonableness, which isn’t so much to ask, and things will be much better.

by jahidi_jones on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, TMI.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Orlando_Magic.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 21, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saw an interesting rumor about the Magic trying to get Nash.

If they do that pretty much means they’re planning on keeping Dwight. And if so, that sucks…

by x Nightwing x on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

omg

we should be playing with Chris Paul right now. omg. this just sucks :(

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? He's an upgrade at a position of importance and would be the best player

outside of Kobe that can run the pick and roll and create for others.

by E-ROC on Jan 21, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Not much of an upgrade over Blake right now.

Don’t get me wrong, he has the potential to be great, but he just is not living up to it right now…

by x Nightwing x on Jan 21, 2012 3:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ugh..

"In this league, you gotta learn to run on empty. Fuel level at zero, but still you run." -KB

by PoPs_737 on Jan 21, 2012 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

My hope in this Laker squad right now is NADDA

GO LAKERS!!!!

"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson

by Funkensteinn on Jan 21, 2012 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

We'll just have to sit tight, through this invisible-Rebuilding process.

And hope the wear-and-tear on the current roster isn’t too bad.
They won’t overtly admit it, but “this is” the rebuilding process.
Patience isn’t expected by Lakers fans, and it will be tough.
I think moving sooner than later is the best route, cause waiting is just stirring the pot.
Instead, we get to wait & see how many better scnerios arise for Howard/D.Wil, while waiting.
Go Lakers!

by look closer on Jan 21, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Great read.

The problem is fixable (likely to improve?), with our worst 3-pt shooters not taking the most shots from 3. Share the FN rock! Let’s at least see what happens when THAT is fixed, before we bring in different shooters and do the same thing. Aren’t we doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? SMH

We have trouble with teams who get the ball to their open players, in their “spots”. We have a pecking order of “options” 1-4 and wonder why the 5th option can’t shoot 100% off the bench…hmmm.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).

by Zen and Tonic on Jan 21, 2012 3:56 PM PST reply actions  

They need to run some plays consistantly

That will set pure shooters like Goudelock, Kapono, and Murphy up for those long range shot. Theyre not putting the shooters in position to shoot

by Ballinsohard on Jan 21, 2012 4:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Good point. Now that we can practice and install the offense, perhaps that can happen.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).

by Zen and Tonic on Jan 21, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I miss Sasha.

The Machine always gives you the feeling that he will drain a 3 when he takes one. Nowadays when i see guys firing away, i immediately think the shot looks like its going to miss.

by poker on Jan 21, 2012 10:42 PM PST reply actions  

you know its bad when you start missing sasha

i remember people couldnt wait for him to go. but thats how bad our three point shooting is right now, id take him back.

"Some time ago, I'm talking to some people and they wanted a bonus if the Lakers make the playoffs. I said, 'If they don't make the playoffs, you don't work here anymore.'" -- me

by Dr Jerry Buss on Jan 22, 2012 3:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually think Kapono or Murphy are going to make it

I just hate that they don’t sit at the 3 line to shoot it. Oh and Fisher as well. although at this point, I’m prepared for Fish to ignore being wide open in favor of a pump fake and a silly foray into the lane that misses and causes a fast break for the other team

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 22, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

i actually kinda miss farmar right now.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 22, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a tough one.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Captain Obvious, er, MagicJohnson: Kobe, Bynum & Gasol all must step up big to beat the @Orlando_Magic.
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Jan 22, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah pickers can't be choosers. One of the things about him though is when he gets hot, he get HOT!

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 22, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

or aaron brooks.

though, i think hes a rfa

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 22, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah PHX has him until next offseason

AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...

by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 22, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  


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