Lakers 87, Heat 98: Another Beating From LeBron
by DexterFishmore on Jan 19, 2012 8:18 PM PST
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Good thing Dwyane Wade didn't play tonight, or the Lakers might've been blown out. Worse. Blown out worse is what I mean, because please don't infer from the 87 to 98 final score that this was at all close. The Miami Heat led by double digits early in the second quarter and by 21 after the third. Only some garbage-time scoring, the only time the Lakers were able to string together adequate offensive possessions, made the end result appear unremarkable. Make no mistake: the Lakers sucked tonight. I don't think they suck in some fixed, objective sense, but they sucked tonight, they suck against LeBron James and they suck on the road, where they're now 1-5. (Congrats, Utah Jazz! You're the team the Lakers can beat away from Staples. The Sacramento Kings laugh in your direction.)
LeBron was in charge throughout this one, as he always is against the Lakers. He finished with 31 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks. Yeesh. Joel Anthony, Udonis Haslem and Eddy Curry (wait, what) led a savage Miami effort on the offensive glass. As a team they made half of their 18 three-point attempts. So Miami wins big. LeBron defeats the Lakers once more. If you like reading those words, good news: I'll be typing them again on March 4, when the Heat visit Staples Center.
One of these two teams is competing for a championship, and it's not the one with 16 banners. More later....
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One of these two teams is competing for a championship, and it’s not the one with 16 banners. More later….
is definitely the case… No negativity. That just is what it is.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Still too early to make that call
20-25 games in last year, I’d be hard pressed to find anybody that thought Dallas would win it all and that (solely based on on-court play) the Heat would join them in the finals
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 19, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone was under the radar last year thanks to Miami
And Dallas wouldn’t have won either if it wasn’t for extraordinary shooting
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 19, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Every team needs the ball to roll in their favor when needed to win
That what happened with Dallas, it happened to the Lakers the previous two years, and so forth going back since the beginning. Um im pretty sure you don’t remember how the Heat started off last year and just solely based on how they played in the beginning of the season, Boston, Chi, and then Miami was the pecking order for the East.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 19, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
In media attention, Miami overshadowed everyone and it wasn't close
Regardless, this team, RIGHT NOW is not going to win a title
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
For the first time in 4 seasons
I agree, Lakers cant win the title with this team
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
What does media attention have to do with the Heat not being #1 fav to win the East?
(in the early part of the season) … And yes, every team will play the exact same way for the rest of the season. No teams will play better, no teams will play worse. No trades will be made, no signings will be made, no coaches will adjust and change strategy, no players will work any less or more than currently, no one will get hurt, no one will get healthy, and every team will just replicate their records until the season is over.
Your missing the huge point of the very clear point I made in the previous post, it doesn’t matter which team LOOKS like the best team in the league because their still an incredible large amount of games left and the pendulum can swing in either direction. I just have to look back to last year to prove that point.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 19, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I was referring to what you said about no one thought Dallas and Miami would be in the Finals
Dallas, yes, Miami, not so much.
Regardless of what MIGHT change with this team, we have BIG issues that aren’t correctable through playing 40 more games. We haven’t been able to guard a decent pg for years now, and we’ve had trouble with young athletic teams for years(see OKC 2010). THAT is the problem, and will continue to be. CP3,Westbrook,Conley,Felton,Billups,Parker, etc. is what will have to face in the postseason and 5 of them play on youthful teams who give us problems and have gave us problems for years(Grizzlies,Clippers,Blazers,Thunder).
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 19, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
First of all LOL@ Billups in that list
And once again, Miami was getting wrecked by elite teams in the early part of the season so no they were not the favorite to win it all (let alone get out of the East) at that time. Later in the season they got it together and executed down the stretch and then people began to push them past Boston and Chicago (and even then they were not unanimous favorites to beat either in the playoffs.
We haven’t been able to guard a decent PG in years even during the championship run, but i fail to see why that predicates everything else. So losing is primarily because of the PG, not the effort on the glass?? not the fact that shooters are shooting below thier career avg not the fact that we don’t have an offensive identity yet and our still trying to find the right rotations, and the lack of off ball movement??? Its because of our PG play, yea having a CP3 would alleviate some of those things, but it doesn’t help the team learn the offense faster, or hustle to the boards more. With a CP3 this team would have 2-3 less losses, but we wouldn’t be rolling through the league if we were still allowing O rebounds
We don’t lose because those teams are younger/athletic, when have the Lakers as a team ever been athletic or young during the championship run??? We lose because we’re not doing the little things, which a veteran team has to do to win, Dallas won last year because they did the little things, they rebounded, rotated on defense, and they played smart with the ball. Yea they knock down a higher than average amount of shots, but that wouldn’t have mattered if their weren’t doing all the little things. Of course PG is a problem, but every team has a weakness including OKC/Grizz/Blazers/Heat/Bulls but you overcome those weakness by playing fundamentally sound and the Lakers aren’t doing that atm but its something that can be corrected when you’ve played more than a handful of games.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 19, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
As currently constructed
unless some other combination on the perimeter can shoot 10 shots effectively, this type of game will happen consistently. the Lakers do not execute well enough all the time and even when they do, the guys who are getting the shots outside of our big 3 aren’t happening. kobe had an off game in this one and it was mostly a blowout until he finally rattled off some points in the 4th. 11 to be exact
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
So basically,
we lose leads even moreso than we have before. We need Kobe to do the entire perimeter scoring on nights like this which happen more often in pressure of playoffs. he can do it, but as of right now it’s much less likely to happen. Oh and our bigs shot over 30 times this game making more than half of their shots and we were down by 21 to start the 4th quarter. Yeah, I’ve said game could’ve been close, but to make it close the Lakers down the stretch would’ve actually needed to execute. But like I said, as of right now, they’re not winning. We’ll see where they are the next time we meet Miami/OKC/Port
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
But to assume that the role players will struggle all season long
And not come close to their career % will continue, is less likely than for their numbers to balance out and for them to shoot better at a point in this season. I think tonight may have started that trend with Murphy and MWP making some shots. I know its a blowout, but blowouts happened last year and the previous two years. Sometimes teams come out flat and they get destroyed. And we were down by 21 in the 4th because only two players were making their shots and because of TOs and lackadaisical play and in part because the Heat were shooting around 50% from 3.
And the biggest difference between all the “elite teams” and the Lakers is that none of them are installing a new offense, new defense, and new players all at once. Blazers/Thunder know their rotations, they know how their gonna play offense and they know how their gonna play defense. Im not sure how the Lakers or any team undergoing similar changes are supposed to be on the same page as those teams with an established identity this early into the season
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
As I said
we’ll see where we are the next time we play a top contending team.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Disagree. I don't think either of these teams is title-worthy. I fully expect an OKC-Chicago Finals
F*** Fairness. F*** Happy Endings. F*** Bad PR. F*** Losing. F*** Guarding 3-point Shooters. These are the tenets of the Black Mamba.
- C.A. Clark (well, except for the last one .. I added that)
Well this pretty much covers everything....Anyways Lets Go Lakers!
And Last pic and im out
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
A guy can dream
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
LOL, how sad is this shit?
(Congrats, Utah Jazz! You’re the team the Lakers can beat away from Staples. The Sacramento Kings laugh in your direction.)
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
…….for who?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
and I add a
:(
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
*sigh*
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
that should be thhe damn review...
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
this is how Twitter was invented
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
the word fuck expressed with anger/hoplessness and total authenticity
was invented for this game
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
basketball in general?
or the Heat versus the Lakers 1/19/12?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
The latter, before this fuck was a swear word or a general word tied with sexual exploitations
Now it is a complete damn review sigh
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Glad I missed this one.
Did Pau actually play well?
no, they weren't
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
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lakergirl continues to dominate
she has to be the favorite heading into the playoffs.
by shawism on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
number 1 seed.
THE POWER OF SHAW COMPELS YOU.. THE POWER OF SHAW COMPELS YOU.....
by imposibol on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
"You have to figure out a way to get it done. There's no time to make excuses. If I play bad or have one bad game like I did in Denver, everybody cries for a change, or cries for the fact I'm too old ... I make adjustments and go from there."
-- Bryant on his performance against the Suns
by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Playoffs?
you kidding me? Playoffs? Playoffs?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
She is who we thought she was
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
wow 66 last place, lots of folks tuned out lol
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
REPLY FAIL
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Sums up the night really
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Why am i still talking to myself
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Shit
Kobe had 24 pts, 7 Assists, 5 Rebs and 3 steals
Lebron had 31pts, 8 assists, 8 Rebs and 4 steals.
Not bad for a bad wrist, finger, knee, 33 year old man. Or is he 32? Don’t believe the hype.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
l
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Lebron has proven tonight he is clearly the best player of his generation and Kobe's.
/ESPN’d
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Shit
Kobe had 24 pts, 7 Assists, 5 Rebs and 3 steals
Lebron had 31pts, 8 assists, 8 Rebs and 4 steals.
Not bad for a bad wrist, finger, knee, 33 year old man. Or is he 32? Don’t believe the hype.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
o
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
shit
Kobe had 24 pts, 7 Assists, 5 Rebs and 3 steals
Lebron had 31pts, 8 assists, 8 Rebs and 4 steals.
Not bad for a bad wrist, finger, knee, 33 year old man. Or is he 32? Don’t believe the hype
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
l
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
hahahaha I couldnt help it
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
that was pretty funny, kudos
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
lmao
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
In all seriousness though, where do the Lakers go from here?
Is it still of a matter of it’s too early to really judge where this team can go and what it can do, or for the first time since Pau Gasol coming, we should actively be looking to shake the roster and dare i say it… rebuild SMFH
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
can you justify re-building in kobe's last couple of years though?
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
a shake-up is more in line with what’s needed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think rebuild was a bad choice of words
I think he meant, RELOAD
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 19, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Its been time for them to make changes since they got swept by the Mavs
The only thing though, the changes don’t have to be as drastic as most Laker fans are asking for. We don’t need Howard, Rondo, CP3. Those players would be great but realistically, they need to make changes that are possible to win now.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Umm
they go exactly where every other team goes. Back to the the drawing board after the game. Come out and play the next one. Where does management go from here? Hoping them to sign better help than they ever have is kinda out of the picture
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
what is it?
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 19, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
lol
does that really come up?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
lol saw it
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Barnes...
22 minutes. 3 points. 3 turnovers. 0 assists. 4 rebounds. 2 steals. 2 blocks.
I just don’t see how it is possible that Barnes can be starting basketball games in the NBA. He is an undersized three with a very limited skill set. I can’t think of any other team in the NBA that he would start for. He may have one good game out of three or four, but he just doesn’t bring any thing to the table on a consistent basis. This guy is the 7th or 8th best guy on most teams.
His tough guy attitude is overhyped. There are tough guys and there are wanna be tough guys and I think he falls into the latter category. Could you see him pulling any of his stunts off of the court? I think he would get the s%#t beat out of him.
The Lakers should be rotating the younger guys (Ebanks) in more. At least there would be room for growth and possitive energy.
If you study the boxscore from tonights game you will see what has been the Lakers problem all season. They only have three legitimate NBA players and some youth. I fear it will not carry them through even the first round of the playoffs.
agree with a good part of your post
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
LOL, why do you care so much about Barnes?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
While i agree with certain parts,
I don’t see why you would complain about Matt Barnes. I sure feel a hell of a lot more comfortable with him rather than MWP (on offense), and Swagbro. But I do think they should be giving Ebanks some time
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
disagree with rotating ebanks for the sake of 'growth'
if ebanks wants more time on the court, he has to earn it and ‘grow’ in practice. we don’t have the time to ‘grow’ people by giving them more time on the court. I’m sure if ebanks develops enough to deserve time on the court, it will be given to him.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Exhibit A: Darius Morris
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 19, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
morris only gets time cuz blake is injured.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm Ebanks isnt too bad
I dont think he deserves Zero playing time, but im sure the coaching staff knows much more than me, im just saying from what I’ve seen on court Ebanks is not the biggest liability ever, I mean he doesn’t mess up as bad as MWP, MWP just throws up useless shots, i cant say the same about Ebanks who tends to take good shots and is in shape which is more than can be said for MWP… Though MWP does make up for it at times with his defense… But personally i dont see Ebanks as being bad enough as to not deserve playing time at all… Morris needed to play with the Blake injury and i honestly think Morris will develop nicely over time, his defense on most occassions has been solid… He just needs more confidence when dealing with the offense…
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
So Miami wins big. LeBron defeats the Lakers once more. If you like reading those words, good news: I’ll be typing them again on March 4, when the Heat visit Staples Center.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Hey at least we traded Lamar and got...
oh wait, sorry.
My bad.
I am so meh this whole season so far.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
I think the Odom thing....
Well i dont know, i dont know if Mitch is seeing something we dont… But i mean Odom demanded a trade, he didnt demand a dump…
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 19, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
yawn
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 19, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
At least Archers back!
we can watch amazing morbid nsfw humor to cheer up!
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by thecerebralvortex on Jan 19, 2012 9:27 PM PST reply actions
Cue Whambulance gif.
Take the drinking cues a bit serious tonight, Dex?
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by Joshua S on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Just calling it like I see it, man
I don’t have much faith in this team.
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