Is the Combo-Guard real?
I hear all these analysts talking about the "combo-guard" i.e. John Wall and Russell Westbrook. I personally think it is a bunch of bologna. Check out my thoughts. Aren't these athletes really just shooting guards that we haven't realized is one yet? How much does coaching matter? Can you teach people to be a good point guard or is vision something that can't be taught. If you would teach it, wouldn't Magic Johnson be in high demand as a coach?
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well, no.1
Rose/Westbrook/Wall/others aren’t Shooting guards because of their stature/speed/etc.
no. 2, They also are featured mainly on teams that absolutely need their scoring from game to game so it’s a really unfair judgment
no. 3 The offense features them as scorers as part of the attack, not just as facilitators. Scotty Brooks for example has a horrid offensive playbook. Thibs is better, but he doesn’t have nearly the pieces to make it as effective as he wants to. Vinny Del Negro’s offense has neutered some of CP3s playmaking ability, so the offense absolutely makes the difference
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I understand that a combo-guard is a point guard and a shooting guard. So, off the bat that means that the guard has to have an ability to hit a jump shot and that alone disqualifies so many pg’s. In other words, I think that a a combo guard has to be able to create his own shot. IMO
Now the PG part confuses me. Does that mean that it has to be a pg with more of a traditional role similar to a quarterback?
Now maybe i’m wrong but a combo guard in my memory are players like Ron Harper, Penny Hardaway, Isiah Thomas, D. Rose and I’m sure there are many others.
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Just had this discussion the other day
I’m working on a fanpost about this topic as we speak
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
well hurry up
j/k. Its a very interesting topic. I"m glad I inspired you to write. : )
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i think strict positional role these days are pretty outdated
(as we have ball handling fowards, sharp shooting big men all over the league, guards that can’t shoot, etc)
i just thought combo guard was more for their size and ability to stay in the line up as either the 1 or 2 position on both offense and defense
the ability to create shots for themselves and others
makes them a combo guard. Sometimes it is based on size, but usually you hear it referred to guards that facilitate and carry a significant scoring load
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I agree with you and I think it depends on the team's needs for what qualifies as a combo guard
If the team doesn’t need as much scoring/offense from the backcourt (because they have a strong front-court or because they has a strong defensive focus), the combo guard can just be someone fast enough to guard a PG and tall enough to guard a SG.
But for a team that relies on perimeter scoring (or that doesn’t care squat about defense), a combo guard is someone that can play the PG position on offense and can facilitate the offense and drive to the basket, or they can play the SG and sink shots at range.
Same concept allows Barnes to play both the 2 and the 3, and Metta to play both the 3 and 4. It’s having both size and speed that allows you to play multiple positions.
Westbrook is an interesting case
At UCLA he played PG while Collison was injured, otherwise he was the SG.
In the NBA, he is too short to be a SG, so he has a combo-guard mentality playing exclusively at the PG position.
You bring up an interesting question I have
Does it matter how tall the guard is for him to be considered a combo guard? Is it more about style and how the player plays rather than his size? Does size matter? lol
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"Combo guard" and "scoring point" are different terms.
Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose are “scoring points” in that they aren’t traditional point guards and focus more on their own offense than setting things up for others. Wall is a bit in between those categories, as they use him as both, although at a certain point, the distinction becomes meaningless like with Chris Paul or Deron Williams, who are equally adept at both.
On the other hand, “combo guard” is the term for those who are stuck in between positions, such as guys who are 6’3’’ or 6’4’’ but have the game of a two guard and have difficulties either handling the ball, running an offense, or similar point guard skills to make it feasible for them to play there. Shannon Brown, for instance, is a combo guard since he doesn’t have the size of a two guard, yet doesn’t have near the ballhandling ability or court vision to be a real point guard. This type of players is pretty proliferate throughout the league.
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by Ben R on Jan 14, 2012 7:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
To be honest,
when I think of a combo guard, I just think of players who are well-suited in either role. Monta is a little scoring centric for a point, but can play both guard positions well. Dwyane Wade has proven excellent at the point in the past. Stephen Curry can transition pretty seemlessly, from what I see. I can’t think of a bunch of other examples, but that’s because I don’t pay enough attention to other teams in general. >.>
Isn't asking "is the combo-guard real" similar to asking "is the (insert tweener position here) real"?
I mean, definitionally, a combo guard would be a player who plays both guard positions and can move between the two, that is to say, a player that is a combination of both point and off guard, the same way a forward-center plays both power forward and center, or a combo-forward plays both forward spots.
I mean, maybe the term is used a bit too loosely to describe scoring-type point guards, but surely the existence of such players isn’t a myth.
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