Dwight Howard Is No Longer Why A Trade With Orlando Makes Sense
by C.A. Clark on Jan 12, 2012 12:22 PM PST
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Dwight Howard is a superstar, one of the best players in the league. He is the league's best center, and the consistency of his play means that it really is no contest. The man is an absolute beast, and any team would be lucky to have him. Dwight Howard's teammates are not superstars. They aren't even stars. Jameer Nelson might be a top 10 point guard, but being top 10 at your position isn't particularly impressive as a team's 2nd best player. Good teams almost always have two players that are top 10 at their position. Great teams usually have three.
The lack of talent surrounding Dwight Howard is one of the primary reasons Howard is reportedly interested in taking his services elsewhere. He wants to win championships, and he doesn't seem too sure of that possibility when he scans the locker room for friendly faces. There aren't a lot of teams in the league that would make Dwight Howard feel comfortable making a long term commitment to. The Los Angeles Lakers are one of those teams. There aren't a lot of teams in the league with assets attractive enough to make Orlando want to do a deal. The Los Angeles Lakers are one of those teams. The logic of a trade between the two teams is overwhelming. There's just one problem.
The Lakers don't need Dwight Howard. They need his teammates.
The Lakers have their own beast of a center. Andrew Bynum is both bigger and younger than Howard, and he possesses more offensive polish as well. Howard is still, clearly, the better center, more agile, more athletic, just as strong. Howard is more consistent, in part because he's more experienced and in part because he has spent much less time in the medical ward (the fundamental reason why, no matter what, Bynum for Howard is good business for the Lakers). If the Lakers can acquire Howard for Bynum without losing any other significant pieces, it is a deal that the Lakers would be foolish to turn down. But a Bynum for Howard switch, while appealing and beneficial, does nothing to solve the problems which might derail the team's quest for a championship this season.
The Lakers win games because they have the best front court in basketball, and they have Kobe Bryant. Whether Howard is at the center of that equation or Bynum is, the equation doesn't change. But, that equation is currently broken. At 8-4, the Lakers are currently sporting a fine record, but there is a fatal flaw with this team that damn near guarantees net failure in the pursuit of a championship, unless that flaw magically corrects itself over the course of the season. It just so happens to be a flaw that could be mitigated by the same guys Dwight Howard doesn't think are good enough to help him win said championships. The Lakers need outside shooting, and the Orlando Magic have quite the stable of guys who can fill that role.
L.A. currently ranks 29th in outside shooting this season, at a ridiculously low 24%. That terrible shooting doesn't stop them from throwing the shots up, averaging 16 attempts a game. They have taken at least 10 three point shots in every game except last night's against the Jazz, and four times this season, they have failed to hit more than two of those attempts. Their three point shooting isn't bad, it's abominable.
It's also necessary. Go back to that winning equation for the Lakers. A dominant front court, and Kobe Bryant. The reason why these elements contribute to a winning equation is because they force double teams. You cant guard Kobe one on one. You can't guard Bynum one on one. You can't even guard Pau Gasol one on one if he doesn't want you to. All three of those players can be capable of demanding a double team. Those double teams result in kick outs. Those kick outs result in outside shots. It's a tried and true formula, dating back to the initiation of the three point line. The Lakers have all of the formula's boxes checked except for the last one.
You know who has that last box checked? The Orlando Magic, in a major, major way. The Magic rank 4th in the league, connecting on 40.2% of their three point shots, nearly double the success rate of the Lakers. They also take outside shots at the 2nd highest rate in the league. Put those two things together and you get a team that gets more points from behind the arc than any other in the league. The Magic have shooters at every position on the floor. Power forward Ryan Anderson connects on 41% of his eight (!!) attempts per game. Hedo Turkoglu is hitting 48% of his nearly 5 attempts per game. Jason Richardson and J.J. Reddick are at 34% and 37% of their nearly 4 attempts per game, which are not great numbers, but they are sure as hell better than just about everybody on the Lakers roster. These are small sample sizes and the Magic are due a little regression (especially Anderson and Turkoglu), but for years Orlando has designed themselves to make a high volume of outside shots created by the inside dominance of Dwight Howard.
The Lakers need some of that design in order to be successful, and that's why a trade with the Magic makes sense. Andrew Bynum for Dwight Howard straight up is a bad deal for Orlando and always has been. Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol for Howard is a bad deal for the Lakers, or at least that has been my thought process for many months. Now, if the Gasol for other Magic players part of the equation involves some of those shooters? I think the trade makes sense. Hell, for that matter, remove Howard and Bynum from the equation, and I think the trade still makes sense.
What if the Lakers traded Pau Gasol and Luke Walton for Turkoglu, Reddick, and Ryan Anderson? The Magic get to pair Gasol with Howard, and still have plenty of outside shooting in Jason and Quentin Richardson, as well as Jameer Nelson, who has been a much better shooter in his career than the 33% he's sporting this season. The Lakers throw Anderson and Turkoglu into the starting lineup, and suddenly all those double teams against Kobe or Bynum are instantly punished, with Reddick off the bench to provide support the third guard the Lakers so desperately need. Orlando gets to show Howard they are serious about building a contender around him. The Lakers get the final variables necessary to solve their equation.
The Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers have been talked about as trading partners for months now. Dwight Howard (probably) wants out of Orlando, and L.A. is one of his favored destinations. The Lakers are one of the few teams with both the assets and opportunity to capture him. But trading for Howard, no matter how much of an upgrade you consider him to be over the Lakers incumbent center, still leaves L.A. a broken model. Who'd've thunk the best way to fix the model might be to ignore Howard and trade for a few of his teammates.
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Couldn't we just get one of those shooters in a Bynum-D12 trade?
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions
Gasol is the only other asset on the team.
If Bynum for Howard is a raw deal for Orlando, you can’t expect them to throw in another player we’d want to make that deal go through unless Gasol is involved. If Gasol is included in the deal, it’s a bad deal for LA unless they get enough shooting back to make it all worthwhile.
The point of this is I think getting the shooting is more important than upgrading from Bynum to Howard
Well Im kinda assuming that Orlando would be looking to dump salary once they trade D12
I know we can’t absorb Turk’s contract, but we can absorb some of the other contracts on the Magic with the Odom TE.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Anything is possible
but that seems like a flawed assumption to me.
Outside Hedo, Orlando doesn’t have much in the way of bad contracts, and all of their strong shooters are on good contracts. The odom TPE won’t help with Hedo, so no deal works unless Gasol is included, or the Lakers can convince the Magic Bynum is better than nothing, in which case no shooters will be included.
And this is why we miss LO. Most of what he provided is exactly what we now need.
Who was our second best ball handler? Who was considered our point forward? Who spelled both Drew and Pau when they got gassed? Who was not as inconsistent as people thought but had to be a jack of all trades (maybe a master at none)? Was asked to be the top rebounder most nights? Guard the more agile quick, big man on the court? Play the fourth quarter when the other bigs were ineffective? Initiate the offense and sometimes take his man off the dribble and create his own shot? Yes LO.
He was out of shape after the lockout, point granted. It was a long layoff and MWP among others came back out of shape. Most NBA players did. Kobe, as always, was the exception to the rule. He complained and was less professional that Pau about being trade bait. Don’t get it twisted, look at Pau, he is still moping around about the trade. He looks miserable, waiting for the other shoe to drop and to see where he ends up (wondering whether he will be traded for Deron Williams or packaged for D12). LO loved his team and didn’t want to leave (the same as if your wife or husband left your ass). He had a tough off-season and couldn’t understand why the team he loved so much and had done so much for didn’t want him anymore.
We tend to get caught up with the money that these players make and forget they are human. We all go through the bs life throws at us, some of us act differently, some of can handle it and some of us can’t. Lamar did not want to leave this year. In his mind he was gone next year, with the early buy-out clause. I think he did it as a favor for the team. And they (the FO) repaid him by trading him. Any one of you who have been fired from a job because the company was losing money or got a new CEO who wanted to go in another direction, or were part of a merger and your position was eliminated will understand. It is a life altering decision and most of us hate that kind of change.
Great players win games. Great teams win championships.
shooting is alot easier to find. we shouldnt give up a top 5 7ft PF for outside shooting, im sure there are people in the D league who can shoot lol, defensively none of those guys you named are any better than d leaguers
by robi s on Jan 12, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bynum for Howard
Gasol for Deron Williams. The lakers dont need a bunch of outside shooters. One pg/perimeter scorer would solve the problem imo. Their last championship was won with very little in the way of 3 pt shooting and Bynum hobbling around at 70%.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 13, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Our ability to absorb hedo’s contract via the tpe is an asset. As is one of our young players: caracter, ebanks.
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by chaucer on Jan 13, 2012 8:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
we wont be able to absorb turk's contract via LO TPE.
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They can take fillers for the salaries to work
An example is Metta who’s contract is a year shorter and 5 million cheaper than Turky-glue’s at 6 mill for 2 seasons I believe. Then throw in a Steve Blake and the salaries could work. I know It doesn’t seem like a decent deal, but getting cap flexibility sooner would be a plus for Orl. Also Blake and Bynum can contribute heavily to the Magic. Metta might even be useful for SVG down there.
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 13, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
as much as i love bynum...
im STILL not convinced he can stay healthy. so far…so good. but until i see him go through the whole 66 gm season, and playoffs unscathed? imo, i just cant see a team pass on a once in a lifetime center in howard. you cant! thats why i said that trading bynum now that he’s beasting would be better
you bring in howard? more stars will folLow! deron williams? i sure as hell dont want to see any of those other guys on that orlando roster here on the lakers, im sorry. jameer nelson with howard maybe. but the rest?…NO.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Technically, 66 games isn't a full season, so I want to see him go through an 82-game season and play at least 80. Then I might be swayed.
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That's not necessarily true.
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When it comes to Drew....
Prove me wrong
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by SoCalGal on Jan 12, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WOAH! LeBronia
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I just want him to stop turning the cot damn ball over
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I think he will adjust
They have game tape for them to show him his pressure release points and passing lanes
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I think he will too
I just don’t need that adjustment to come with this decline in fg% that has occurred thus far.
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the only year we will be convinced Bynum can stay healthy is the year after your/my/his deaths. Someone can say then, this year he’ll be healthy.
by Svedish Chef on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 AM PST up reply actions
Can't the Lakers find soem good 3 pt shooters without giving up Bynum or Gasol?
I hear Craig Hodges is available
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....Hedo and Ryan Anderson
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But defensively, this team would take a beating.
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I hate it
But I only hate it because it makes so much sense for both teams and I love Gasol too much to give him up for a couple role players…
That said, I’d be much more happy with this scenario if Bynum and Howard are also swapped.
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Pau and Howard would be ridiculous for Orlando.
I’d hate, hate to give up Pau for role players like steffun4tw mentioned, but if the Lakers get back enough shooters then just maybe, maybe go for the deal.
I’d much rather have Pau and Howard in Purple and Gold.
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feast for thought
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by bluexfalcon on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Uh oh
the tide is turning
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yes i do
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Nice post CA!
This is one reason I loved the idea of Bynum for Howard and then trying to see if a Gasol for Love deal could be made. The Lakers need other players who can shoot (along with doing other things that keeps them on the floor and not the bench like Kapono).
I would still try to get Howard back for Bynum, even if only to reduce the injury potential, but giving up Gasol as well would make sense if the Lakers were to bring back other talented shooters for the other positions as well.
by Actuarially Sound on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM PST reply actions
I like this trade.
It would give us a backup 2 and starters at both the 3 and 4. Waaay better outside shooting and another playmaker in Turk. I wonder if mitch would pitch this to the magic and if they would go for it in trying to retain howard. Would Howard be willong to stay with said deal is the key imo
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Call me conservative but...
Im not comfortable with a Pau for role players swap. The lakers could get something better than that trading with a different team. I havent really thought about who that might be but if right anderson is at the top of the list then I’m not down.
I would ask for both Anderson and Nelson...
and agree to take back Turkoglu’s deal.
Let the Magic rebuild with Bynum, Gasol, and Richardson.
by Actuarially Sound on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'd agree to that trade
Lakers get : Howard, Anderson, Nelson, Turkey-Glue
Magic get: Bynum, Gasol, and someone else. They are probably going to want a PG but I want to keep blake. Maybe they will take morris cuz he’s cheap ?
Give em Fish.
I mean um, Blake. Blakes only 100, Morris is an age TO play in the NBA at least.
by Svedish Chef on Jan 13, 2012 5:00 AM PST up reply actions
Gasol for Deron Williams makes much more sense
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by cerebralfish on Jan 13, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
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by midnightrider1961 on Jan 13, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Food for thought...
I can’t access the TradeMachine at work so someone would have to confirm that this deal works but…
Howard, Anderson, Turkoglu, and Nelson for Bynum, Gasol, Blake, and Barnes
Each team swaps it’s starting line-ups other than SG.
We essentially become the Orlando Magic plus the upgrade of Kobe over Richardson. The Lakers currently outscore their opponents by 5.3 points per 100 possessions. The Orlando Magic currently outscore their opponents by 5.2 points per 100 possessions. Essentially Orlando and LA are equal teams now. If you upgrade Kobe over Richardson we must improve, right?!
by Actuarially Sound on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST reply actions
trade machine if offline at the moment
they’re updating it with new CBA stuff
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Can we do Ebanks instead of Barnes
I love Barnes’ hustle plays
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Trade makes sense but I’d like to include Jameer Nelson to those coming to Lakers if we give Pau to them.
As for the defense, yeah, it looks like we’ll regress on that but if Mike Brown’s defensive system works, I think we’ll be fine on the defensive end.
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This makes so much sense its scary
Just a couple of points:
1. Pau Gasol has to go. I even felt that since Houston wanted Pau in the worst way that I would trade Pau for Scola and get those much needed three pt shooters in the process. But this trade with Orl makes more sense. For those of us who have seen Pau play lately, we know that he sticks out like a sore thumb for all the wrong reasons. He just doesn’t seem to give the same effort. To me, the following comment is the most telling about the fact that either way you cut it, Pau Gasol needs to be traded:
I think the trade makes sense. Hell, for that matter, remove Howard and Bynum from the equation, and I think the trade still makes sense
The Lakers need shooters in the worst way and Pau is the only piece available that could get them those shooters.
2.The Lakers never needed to blow up the roster. The biggest reason given by anyone as to why the Lakers got swept is due to their age and lack of athleticism. Well, Brown has showed us that it was just a matter of tweaks to the starting line up was needed to meet that need. Fisher and Artest have spent more time on the bench while other players like Barnes, Ebanks, Mcroberts, Morris and Blake have been given the opportunities to infuse the team with much needed youth and hustle. That would not have been possible with P.J.
3. Shooters will solve the issues of the turnovers. IMO, the cause for turnovers is because no one, other than Kobe can shoot the ball or create their own shot and they are caught on the perimeter without an idea on how to react. Shit, they even have a hard time getting the ball into Bynum when Kobe is on the bench.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Pau Gasol in the last couple games has been doing work on the boards and playing excellent defense for the most part
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
He is our best PnR big defender
He hedges just enough to disrupt while recovering to his man. Drew is not usually fully committed to the hedge
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
This
Although I knwo what the OP is saying. Pau looks extra disinterested this season, especially on the defensive end, but his stats are pretty solid so far this season. High FG %, good rebounding…
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
i haven't seen disinterested Pau since the first couple of games
personally
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
What about in Portland?
Pau looked incredibly lazy on defense to me
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't able to fully watch that game
but from what I did see, they ran all over the entire team
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Everyone looked lazy on defense in that game
Pau looked as bad as Bynum, it happens especially when your guarding Aldrige and his midrange is clicking
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe other people will agree but Pau has seen disinterested since the
Playoffs. I specifically remember Phil, who never shows emotion, literally pushing/punching Gasol on the chest because of it and even Kobe yelling at him so many times to “Cmon!”
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
I remember that very well
but we’re talking about now and I haven’t had a problem with most of his play this season, except that I miss his wonderful footwork in the post
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
It is a shame that Kobe, with all his injuries and his age that he puts so much more effort
only to not see Pau do the same. As my bball coach used to tell us, “we are running 3 miles and I’m twice your age and if I pass you, just go straight to the locker and go home”.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
IMO...the Lakers don't need Pau for a couple of games
now, I’m not saying he should produce consistent stats. But he, without a doubt, hasn’t produced consistent effort. That is all we ask. Just try.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
I'm with you Bean
Gasol’s continued lack of intensity is becoming a problem. It is fairly typical of European players once they acquire success in the League.
Gasol is a god in Spain and will be for life. When he retires he will become a doctor or talk show host in Madrid and have continued great success. The NBA is not his life.It isn’t a primary focus anymore. He has even said the Euro championship means almost as much as the NBA and he can continue to win that for the next 10 years. He is done as a dominant player. He will continue to take the easier path in his NBA career. Crunch time play will continue to erode. Trade him now before his value becomes leveled with his play.
Sorry Marty, but he is not the Gasol of old.
Why would he become a talk show host in Madrid?
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LOL, I just wondered why Madrid because he's from Barcelona.
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I think a lot of people dont understand the difference
I didnt till this year. Madrid – Spanish. Barcelona – Catalan
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especially the real madrid
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I didn't say he was Gasol of old
I said that I haven’t seen disinterested play out of him the majority of this season
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
you're right, he has been very active so far, but in a different way. we haven't seen him using footwork in the post making defenders look silly and flick that soft floater this year either.
he is way too content to shoot jumpers most of the game, though he did have a few nice hooks in the beginning of the jazz game, but that’s what he does. tease us with those moves then go right back into settling for those jumpers at the top of the key. you and fins both have good points, except for the doctor and talk show host thing, lol.
I think your being way too harsh on Gasol
And if Gasol is playing as bad as some people think he is, then why would anyone give us multiple players for him?
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Well I want Scola and a PG or shooters
who did you want?
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
oh i agree. i think we should of taken the hou deal after cp3 fell thru. but i got nitpicked to death on advanced stats by ben r when i suggested teh fall off from gasol to scola wouldn't be much.
imo pau is giving us fools gold right now. he is setting himself up to be more of a outside player and selecting his times when he wants to play big, very inconsistent and watching himplay you just feel his play can fall off a cliff at any time. i think the pieces we would be getting from that hou deal were awesome. your forgetting the 1st rounder that was going to n.o in the original deal also which would of been icing on the cake.
To be fair, Pau helped us fools get two big balls of gold, so I'm willing to give him a little more leeway on his play right now.
And you don’t need to keep harping on how Ben debated you on advanced stats. We get it, you guys disagreed and you didn’t like it. It happens.
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yes he did, and i love when pau plays like he did for those rings. but time marches on and pau is looking to content to make his bones from the outside, and i don't see that changing. so when we could of got someone of similar production
plus a lot of nice depth for our bench and a 3rd 1st rounder. i will always have love for gasol and think he is one of the class acts of the nba, but if we get a offer for him that addresses similar issues like that trade would have done then mitch has to do it imo.
But why don't you see it changing?
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just gonna copy and paste a thought frome arlier so i don't have to write it out again, lol.
when we won rings he was a beast in the post with ridiculous finesse. he rarely was taking 15 footers. he made his living in the post with authority
i haven’t seen that pau in almost 2 years now and don’t think he is coming back. now pau wants to bury 15 footers and take the occasional 3 pointer, and crash the boards only when bynum is out or the game is on the line. which is fine i still think he can be efficient and help us win doing that. i have no problem if we end up having to keep gasol all season, though i would like to cash in on him while we can if possible. so if we get another opportunity to get assets like we would have in the hou deal then that trigger needs to be pulled.
i just think hes content to let drew dominate the paint and he can make that living playing true euro ball, its like he wants to finish his career as dirk lite instead of being what he’s been for the last few years. i don’t see the fire or willingness to bang it out down low every game.
I agree.
Don’t get me wrong, would love, LOVE, for Pau to return to 2009 mode.
I don’t see that happening.
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Pau was outrebounding Bynum for most of these last couple games soo...
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
cmon now. you really think that is a trend. if it does you could contribute alot of it to drews constantly being double teamed.
every big in the lineup with drew rebounds will go up with drew attracting the type of coverage he’s been getting the last 3 games or so. you can’t just say gasol is outhustling drew on the glass right now.
what does Drew's quick doubles to speed him up and get out of rhythm
have to do with overall rebounds. where Pau was always the better offensive rebounder and lately has been getting more defensive boards as well, not to mention the fact that if Bynum can’t even stay on the court because he stinks so bad on the pnr, it’s really his own fault he’s not getting more boards
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
The numbers say Drew is getting more boards per game and Blocks
And altering more shots as well as scoring more in fewer minutes played than Pau. True Drew’s pnr d is bad but name 1 7’1 285 pd center who had good pnr D
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 8:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
We're talking about the last couple games
NOT the entire season
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Also, there are few if any large centers that big left who aren't much past their prime
and the one guy that is that big in shoes is the best defender in the league and the other guy whose close won a championship last year with his great all around defense sooo…
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
lol They are both smaller.
Stickman Chandler is tiny in comparison and couldnt guard Drew To save his life ever. bad comparison although him and Pau would b closer to compare
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by EmmCeee on Jan 13, 2012 9:38 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Chandler is 7-1, 235
Dwight is 7’1, in shoes, and closer to 270 if not above it.
we were talking about capable pnr defenders around his size as Cs. He’s 285, if he was Shaq’s size I’d agree, but he’s not that much bigger than Dwight and he’s far slower
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Like i said Pau is a better comparison to Chandler
Drew is between 7’1-7’2 no shoes so add an inch or so for shoes and hes still taller and 20 pds heavier than Dwight who at 7’0 (wit shoes) 265. So short of a player shorter and lighter give me 1 good pnr defender At Drews size.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Drew isn't nearly as bad defending the P&R as he seems at first glance
When Blake is in the game, Drew’s P&R defense is just fine. Blake goes above the pick and stays attached to the PG’s wallet, giving Drew a much better chance to stay with his man.
However, most of the time Drew is paired up with Fish, who typically gets hung up on the pick and then flails his arms, hoping to draw an offensive foul while he’s a good ten feet behind his man, leaving Drew alone on an island and having to choose between letting the PG shoot a wide-open short jumper, or defending that jumper and watching the PG flick an easy pass to Drew’s man, who rolls to the rim for an easy dunk. Meanwhile, Fish is still flopping around at the top of the key and staring at the nearest ref.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 AM PST up reply actions
I would love to blame it all on Fisher
but our D when it’s just Bynum with the bench is not maintained even with Blake going through the pick
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
While I think Pau is still moping (like he did the second half of last season and the playoffs)
I would not trade him for Turkoglu and others for anything. If everyone thought LO was inconsistent, they have never seen the King of Inconsistency before. This man disappears more often than Houdini. He is lazy of defense, doesn’t rebound half as well as he should for his size, and doesn’t post-up one iota. That’s what was so funny about them having both him and Rashard Lewis on the same team (they were 14 feet on the outside and nothing on the inside).
I love the way that Bynum and Pau work together, but if a trade was made I would want Anderson and Earl Clark, I would throw in whomever the Magic wanted besides Kobe, Pau, Barnes, or McRoberts and call it a day.
Great players win games. Great teams win championships.
Interesting. As you referred to, all those guys are good spot up shooters if Kobe is doubled and Anderson is not bad...
bad inside either—he can post up some and get boards. Turk is a good point forward type also so that could help with more ball movement and passing. Losing Gasol’s post up ability and nice jumper is tough, but the trade make sense with what the Lakers get back.
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I always assumed that taking Turk was the cost of getting Dwight.
Whether it meant we pulled some hijinks with a third team or sending back Barnes, Walton, Ebanks, and similar to make the contracts match since Bynum had grown into such an asset that it made the trade fairly equitable that way. The thing is that for our current team, getting Turk would actually be of pretty significant benefit — not only can he shoot, he’s an able P&R operator, he creates to some degree from the perimeter, and he’s essentially a point forward on the wing. If you assume that Howard makes whatever defense he provides irrelevant, then the Lakers really should be actively trying to get him as well.
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hey check this out
LA times reporting that Pau was offered to MIN for Love.
I did hear about thi back in mid december
But are they back at it?
no, looks like LAT just confirmed the Vescey (sp) rumor
or they want page views for their chat.
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It does though...
They drafted Derrick Williams who is probably a PF but they are playing him more at SF because they don’t want to reduce Love’s minutes. They have no center (Darko anyone?). They have a young PG in Rubio who looks like the best PG on the team but they are starting Ridenour over him.
Gasol, while not an ideal center, could play the part for Minnesota better than Darko. They could shift Williams over to a more natural PF position (what he played in college). They could include Ridenour in the trade to free up time for Rubio and save them on his Steve Blake-like contract. They could further cut salary by trading away Brad Miller as well (they won’t need to pay $5M for a third string center).
Most importantly, they have the Gasol-Rubio spanish national team connection.
by Actuarially Sound on Jan 12, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Well isn't this the last year on his contract?
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's the last year on his rookie contract
So Love will be a restricted free agent at the end of the year.
Yeah
the article also references that their source is Peter V. This seems to have been in out a while ago.
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bleacherreport...
/end of thread
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In his time with the Suns, the other team I follow, he was horrid. He’s almost a system guy who doesn’t do well outside of the system.
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Interesting take
Giving up Pau is going to be tough for me as a fan but it makes sense for the team. We are in desperate need of 3pt shooters tho and a capable PG. With that being said, in Mitch i trust
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watcha saying lg, Pau can shoot the 3!!!
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Yea, and remember how he handled the ball at the end of the Suns game
Logical solution, move Gasol to the point
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Problem solved
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Yes
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I think the bigger thing here is
you want Dwight and others, I don’t think a trade with Orlando that doesn’t include Dwight is a good idea in any sense. So, I would not be all for a Gasol for shooters trade from Orlando
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Exactly. Dwight or nothing.
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You sir, make too much sense, so i'm going to ignore your posts.
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"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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We should see how Kapono does for a few more games
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"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
This
Plus our shooters need to shoot in freaking rhythm dangit. They use the 3pt shot as a final resort rather than a well thought out executed play.
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the problem is that Kapono primarily plays with the bench
and the Bench has no playmaker, his skills are really not used properly. We really don’t want Kapono handling the ball lol.
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Yes that we do not want
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What do you guys think of
Ramon Sessions? Looks like the Lakers could pick him up for basically free since Irving is starting for the Cavs.
Dan Gilbert tho
he is not in the business of helping the lakers
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I said the same thing before
and Ben R said that he felt that Dan Gilbert’s biggest motivation is money or luxury tax or something like that. But I think you are both right.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Yeah as long as the lakers are in luxury tax territory, he's good
But i am not sure he can look beyond that and give us a player. Besides i dont want Sessions. Yes my opinion counts :D
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Oh, are you sure your opinion counts?
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We've discussed him several times.
Doesn’t fit with the current team at all.
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This trade makes sense somewhat.
Turk can be the creator for the second unit. He can work the pick and roll situations and shoot well in spot up situations. Redick would be a legit back up to Kobe who can shoot and plays well off the ball. Anderson is a good shooter and decent rebounder.
However, I like it defensively. The only guy I trust on that end is Redick. Not so much with everybody else. If the Lakers are trading for role players, Jameer Nelson has to be included. Nelson and Redick are must when discussing Gasol and Bynum in a Howard trade.
If not that trade, the Houston trade is intriguing if still on the table. Scola, Dragic, and Martin are high quality players.
by E-ROC on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I know this has prolly been seen a million times here at SSR
But I think the best trade would have been the CP3 trade minus CP3. Specifically, Pau Gasol to Houston for Scola, Kevin Martin, and Dragic. That trade would have solved all of the Lakers problems: Scola is a poor man’s Pau Gasol who is actually better defensively, Kevin Martin is a bonafide scorer that can create his own shot, and Dragic is an up and coming pointguard who had like 20+ pts in his start with the Rockets when Kyle Lowry was hurt.
Martin and Kobe should never be on the court at the same time
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
i think fin fan was talking about kevin martin's high volume shooting
and in a sense, you’re assuming kevin martin would be willing to play second fiddle to kobe. two players who NEED the ball in their hands? i’m sure it sounds good in theory, but no way k-mart and kobe could co-exist. that’s why we need a guy like JR Smith when he comes back in March. he’s the kind of 2nd shot creator, and i understand his erratic behavior as a player, but its that erratic play that makes him so dangerous. i’d much rather take jr smith over kevin martin.
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by bengalithugg13 on Jan 12, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
I like trades with Houston
I agree with this one, ironically. I believe Scola is as good as Pau Gasol, but Houston doesn’t yet notice that.
I think Houston has seen Pau torment Scola enough to know
that Scola is not Pau Gasol on defense or as diverse on offense. He’s a worthy comparison and close, but still <
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
if pau consistently played big and used his size to his advantage then yes gasol vs scola is no contest
however with the way it seems gasol is content on playing these days, playing outside and the occasional big inside effort when it is absolutely necessary, we could live with scola’s production vs pau’s current production and playing style.
I don't think you've watched Scola enough and you nitpick with Gasol too much
Gasol’s play style hasn’t changed much and I can live with him not pounding in the post everytime he gets the ball because thats never been his game. He’s a finesse player that can play in the post, not the other way around
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
he can't play in the post anymore
The turnovers are too much in the post
when we won rings he was a beast in the post with ridiculous finesse. he rarely was taking 15 footers. he made his living in the post with authority
i haven’t seen that pau in almost 2 years now and don’t think he is coming back. now pau wants to bury 15 footers and take the occasional 3 pointer, and crash the boards only when bynum is out or the game is on the line. which is fine i still think he can be efficient and help us win doing that. i have no problem if we end up having to keep gasol all season, though i would like to cash in on him while we can if possible. so if we get another opportunity to get assets like we would have in the hou deal then that trigger needs to be pulled.
Scola now does not equal Pau ever, including now. I'm sorry. Scola when he's not offensively producing
is a part of one of the lesser defenses in the NBA and Pau is in our end game lineups that have successfully kept leads and smothered teams to begin the 4th quarter while Bynum catches his breath. Scola will not do that for you. He’s even less equipped to play the C position, which WE DO NOT HAVE A BACK UP FOR
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
listen to this guy.
He has everything Gasol has AND he gives consistent effort.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
also don't forget houstn had a 1st rd pick going to n.o. in that deal. that would have given us 3 1st rd picks to use in trades
don’t discount how valuable that would have also been in giving us crazy trade leverage down the road.
They were giving the pick to NO to appease the fact that they were getting the best player in the deal
AND the fact that we did not have a pick to give them. The deal would not include a pick if it was just with us, that was the bait for NO to accept the deal
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
we'll never know will we. We could of asked for the pick if we wanted to pursue the trade for gasol still. You don't know that they wouldn't of definitively not given it to us
anymore than I know if they would have given it to us. I just figure that being part of the original 3 way deal we could of been entitled to everything houston was giving n.o. to get gasol.
The larger issue for meL
we do not get anyone back that can defensively do what Pau does as our only good big man pnr defender and offensive rebounding. we begin to rely more on Mike Brown and Bynum to try to cover up so many errors, but Bynum quite frankly sucks at pnr D cuz he’s too slow and he also hasn’t been great with double teams which he’s sure to see even more of without Pau also there to distract attention.
so yea, I’m not so sure I agree with the premise, especially since we’ve only had Murphy and Kap for like 12 games and they’ve been inconsistent but shown just as much flash of shooting as others. It’s not like Kapono is any worse at defending than anyone we could get outside of Reddick, Nelson, or Richardson.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
would u sacrifice PnR defense for solid post defense?
I think Pau gets beat way too often on the block and doesn’t challenge people in the lane enough
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Who are we getting back that is a solid post defender
or an equal rebounder? Pau doesn’t challenge people to stay out of foul trouble, but that’s Bynum’s job to be the last line of defense. Get rid of that and it’s even worse cuz now we have no second line of defense after Bynum to challenge the inevitable shot. The only hope is that McBob can come back and energetically be that hedge man on these pnrs if they do that with him
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
bob is a more than adequate starter if we ever move gasol for a non big. also i'm sure we could scrape up something decent with the lamar tpe
i’d be all over a millsap for lamar tpe deal someone mentioned in one of these threads. don’t know if that is a legit possibility or just laker fan dreaming though.
its a possibility more than anything else
but i don’t think Utah would just give him away for the LO TPE. Though they have a serious log jam at 4 position Kanter Favors Millsap i’m sure they would ask for someone maybe Morris or draft pick/s
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But the whole point of trading Pau is to play these guys that can shoot and spread the floor
McBob isn’t one of them
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
yeah, but i'm just saying if we moved gasol and bynum for a combination of howard turk nelson and reddick
then it is not bad that we have bob as a stop gap to start at pf. it’s not my ideal situation and the pf spot would have to be addressed quickly. hence then trying to deal the lamar tpe and pieces for a player like millsap if possible.
Gasol and bynum for Howard and turk?
Is the goal to make Orlando better? If so, yes
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How long is McRoberts supposed to be a stopgap and how quickly do you think we'd be able to address the PF situation?
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hopefully not long.
look i don’t even really want a deal like this to go down, but since we are all speculating i’m just thinking that if this deal had to go down tomorrow and it had to be gasol and bynum both packaged to orlando, you need all 4 players back in the deal or it’s a epic failureby mitch and jim imo. hopefully you could have something lined up with lamars tpe and draft picks to get maybe a player like millsap, scola, or varejo or something before the trigger is pulled.
however if the deal had to happen and howard was destined to come here whether you have a deal for another pf in place or not, we could do alot worse than having to roll with bob as our starting pf the rest of the season.
So we'll take Orlando's shitty post and pnr defenders
continue to have Howard without a backup and when he exits the game we just hope for the best as we play Turk and Murphy. gotcha
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perhaps you don't understand these comments
this is all fantasy/nightmare whatever way you want to see it scenarios. if the lakers are intent to go get howard from orlando at any costs, which i don’t think they are so really none of this matters and it’s all just a healthy debate. then you absolutely need at least those 4 players in return to make this any type of successful trade for the lakers. that includes having some type of scenario in place to shore up the pf spot immediately or in the offseason. it’s not like this is happening for real anytime soon or ever, easy there big guy.
but talking in real life scenarios brown has already been content to roll out bob and murphy together in a few games already this season. So that’s not much of a change if you had to roll out turk and murphy instead.
My point is
without Pau we have a glut of one trick pony PFs who all can’t play defense, nor do we have a real back-up for Howard
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Better than being called butt
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
a little of topic but i read this on slc dunk. i'm not tying to start something between fan bases...just passing this along
http://www.slcdunk.com/2012/1/12/2702589/my-theory-of-the-laker-fanbase
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
that article is absolute garbage btw
waste of space imo
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
A non-scientific finding on people you have no clue about. Brilliant
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LOL, I love how he gives us a "slid" if we can name our starting 5.
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I dont know if we need to be able to name it if we can google it
But i will give him one, i will name Jazz starting five back to Malone and Stockton’s time.
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LOL, he's not worth your time.
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Oh that was all in theory...lol
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shit like this makes me so aggravated
but what u gonna do. haters gonna hate
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
It makes me feel good
Like look, we are doing something right here. When was the last time someone hated on the Wizards
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Ur right
The ignorance and audacity makes me angry and tbh kind of sad lol.
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
LOL, probably when Gilbert pulled out those guns, but it was Wizards fans hating.
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LOL, right?
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Hey! What's that supposed to mean, Mr Clark?!
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Clarification
If it’s in the fanpost section AND its garbage, just move on.
As in, don’t hold it against the site that some idiot wrote a terrible fanpost.
I’ve got nothing but love for the quality fanposts provided by any site, and we’ve got some of the best
LOL, nice cleanup there.
No, you don’t hold most things against a site, unless it’s so awful that it should be taken down and they don’t.
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FP baby
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
if someone gives me the drink the count of sir Coach the night before, I could do it. My standard thing is, oh, he started today, huh.
That and Fisher still starting mostly.
by Svedish Chef on Jan 13, 2012 5:14 AM PST up reply actions
Christ, I shouldnt have read that ‘ahem’ article.
by Svedish Chef on Jan 13, 2012 5:16 AM PST up reply actions
I had this same thought when the season started.
i had a trade machine deal with bynum, blake, and gasol for howard, turk, nelson and reddick. that is the only deal i’d consider imo. i don’t know why so many on here would rather have anderson over reddick. we need a guard more than we need a big, and reddick shoots way better than anderson. i’d rather start mcbob with his hustle play next to howard over anderson. plus we’d still have murphy and character should be coming back soon too for our back up bigs. any gasol and bynum deal makes no sense without nelson though.
a trade like
Nelson, Hedo, Howard for Pau, Bynum, Blake.
you do it?
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
Nelson, Hedo, Howard, Reddick / Anderson
for Pau, Bynum, + whoever
by (Not)Exactly on Jan 12, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
they might give anderson but probably not reddick
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Other way around
Anderson scores more and is cheaper than Reddick
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
with pau and drew they'd be more content to give up a bigger body though
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
McBob/Hedo
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thats terrible
McRoberts can’t guard playoff PF’s and Hedo is too small. That starting lineup even with Dwight is worse than our current one.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
No. Not unless we had a starting four coming back via the Odom TPE.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Ok. I really, really like the article. I like it's intent. I like where it's going. I disagree completely and thoroughly with its proposed trade. Dissection:
When you make a trade like this you absolutely have to get something useful back. These Orlando pieces provide nothing useful. We aren’t hitting three pointers, sure, but we have personnel that can hit three pointers. Where are they? Nailed to the bench. Murphy and Kapono (and even Blake before he was in LA) are proven 3 point shooters. The only failing I can see is a confidence one. What’s to stop that same thing from occurring in LA.
Next. Losing Gasol is a big step. I’m willing to take that step if we get Proven Quality. None of those players are proven quality. Matter of fact, Turkoglu is “proven to be inconsistent.” Giving up size for inconsistency and complete lackadaisical habits on the defensive end (Turkoglu) is completely damning. Pau is not living up to his hype, but he still has his hype. It can be flipped for something better.
Lastly, and most importantly, this trade makes no sense without Dwight Howard. Say what you will, but having an injury prone Bynum starting alongside a declined (not declining…. declined) Turkoglu is a worse team than what we have now. There’s absolutely no backup for them, as Troy Murphy is no defensive player and McRoberts is still unproven (although I really like him).
This scenario is a definite no, in my mind, to Kupchak.
Dwight and Pau on the same team is a championship team, make No mistake. None. There can be no doubles off on Howard (because he passes out of doubles WELL) with Pau hitting easy two’s from the midrange. They will wreak Havoc on teams. Switching Pau and Hedo makes Orl an Eastern Conference contender.
To be clear
I am willing to do Bynum+Pau+pieces for Dwight+whatever the hell they’ll give us and a point guard
i would rather trade gasol for kevin love
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 12, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
This from a married man?
Tsk tsk tsk.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
LOL
ICWYDT
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
hahaha
Love don’t have nothin to do with murrige
LOL, I beg to differ, sir. I remember that cheesin' photo of you and the missus. You's in love!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
we in commitment
love too. but commitment is what we be in.
it be tough and fun and all that other stuff
LOL, personally, I think you should be committed.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
hmmm
Jevons not in a serious mood.
But, yea, in all serious, Love and commitment and all that flowery stuff is what we have. :)
It's a beautiful thing, honey, a beautiful thing. Wear this to your commitment ceremony.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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JEVON!
love pulls down more rebounds a anight then all of our PF’s put together! and he can score.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 12, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I agree essentially with the idea.
My heart cannot. I UNDERSTAND you. I really do. I worry that he’s a stat stuff on a shit team. But….. Gasol was that too at one time. Get ‘em while they’re hungry is the motive I guess.
Gasol is no longer hungry :(
To be clear
I would do Bynum+My Mom+ Fiance & GF+ future kids for Dwight Howard.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
'tard
/inb4SCG
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Hold up!
You have a fiancee and girl friend? Wow!
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
No Uh!
There is NO SHUTTING ME UP!!
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I know...I've seen your game thread stats.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
*wink*
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
well she doesn't know she is my gf
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
lol!
“SHES MY GIRLFRIEND…she just doesnt know it yet!”.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
my too
though I need to keep at least one side girlfriend.
it gets cold in the winter
I gots three
I can spare two
I can get a few off the waiver wire
smh..lol
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Hear hear
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Sigh. You're panicking again, LakerNation.
Just like when you thought Kobe was on his deathbed a couple weeks ago, calming down again might be wise.
This is very likely another byproduct of installing a new offensive system. And zero training camp. And adding a bunch of new players. And the tougher schedule. Everyone’s having to think a little too much still. Give them a break.
These guys career percentages are much better than they’ve shown. So there’s a good chance you might be able to keep Gasol AND have some quality outside threats.
I was ok with including Gasol for Jameer earlier on. Now, not so much. The Lakers big strength is their bigs. I say go with that, let the lack of speed and athelticism be the weakness. All teams have one.
And keep in mind, making huge moves this year could very well kill the possibility of a championship. As good as Kobe looks, the front office needs to be very careful about squandering chances.
Agreed, mostly.
If Dwight is on the table, everything besides Kobe should be for LA
I say no to Dwight too, however tempting.
I’ll go against the grain and bet Drew is going to be healthier from now on. That he’s suffered a couple freak accidents on the court. He’s in even better shape.
Maybe in the offseason I’d do it. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Bynum is at least going to be the equal of Howard, possibly better.
by jahidi_jones on Jan 12, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
OH no OH NO!
You’re in the Andrew Bynum camp are you…. takes notes… labels jahidi a Bynum fan..
well then, good sir, you have a nice day, and it was a pleasure talking to you. I heard there’s one more of your ilk around here. Goes by the name bluexfalcon. None more, though… they all seemed to learn. But some never do. Anyhow, nice meeting ya!
;-)
LOL, I'm keeping my eye on him and my finger on the banhammer.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
You abuse your powers
Quick to ban someone for not agreeing with what you say. What kind of person are you. No i am not going to watch it
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Apparently, I have my own clique.
I should make them wear uniforms.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
it that the 'tard clique?
I can suggest some pretty neat uniforms for them
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Since you're one of them, you can pick something you like.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
Do i know you? NO!
So i’m not even in your clique
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
LOL
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Damn your logic and pertinent facts!
Sigh. You’re panicking again, LakerNation. Just like when you thought Kobe was on his deathbed a couple weeks ago, calming down again might be wise.
This is very likely another byproduct of installing a new offensive system. And zero training camp. And adding a bunch of new players. And the tougher schedule. Everyone’s having to think a little too much still. Give them a break.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
i dont think we are going to get howard
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ORL thinks they are in the driver's seat and can dictate the terms is one reason. That doesn't work for the two teams who have viable trade pieces to exchange for him
Another is, they want whoever takes Howard to fix their problem of overpaying TurkeyGlue. Before they dumped Arenas, he was going to be part of any trade for Dwight too. No thanks (at his old salary)
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Well yea Orlando is gonna take the hard stance now
But when push comes to shove, and Orl doesn’t get anyone or improves and D12 doesn’t sign an extension, their gonna trade him for the best offer that is given to them
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry for not checking every post....
But isn’t our bigger problem at the 1? We have brought in shooters for years and if they can’t get wide open looks (MWP notwithstanding) they become different players. From Rice forward, we have searched for the guy who can stand outside the arc and make a high percentage of shots (Vlad Rad, Ammo, Cook, even Blake). It hasn’t happened. Orlando has a serviceable set of PGs (who are threats) AND Howard. Besides, Dwight and Drew haven’t won a lot of rings taking their respective teams on their back…for whatever reasons.
Maybe we should try to steal DWill and Humphries (or Lopez if healthy) from the Nyets and ship Pau or Drew (I know sacrilege, but he’s from Jersey) for what could be thought of as our bigger issue. If we have to use a big to get an all-star and a nother starter, okay. I agree with the reasoning for getting the right pieces for one of our bigs, but one should stay and we fill ALL holes behind him…if possible. With DWill and Lopez we would have 4 All-Stars starting by my count.Of course, Lopez’ foot problem is a current issue. Pau and the trade exception for a 2 and a 4? Hmmmm…
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
Whoops I meant a PG and a starting 4.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
The only way to answer your question, unfortuantely, is to ask a question
What are the reasons that the Lakers didn’t win the title last year?
1. Dallas, although they were the older team, shot lights out. I don’t think they shot a better % in any other series. But they did posses some youth and speed at important positions.
2. The Lakers didn’t have any other players that could shoot from the perimeter or create their own shot. And with Chandler playing like a beast in the middle the only option on the perimeter to do everything was Kobe.
PG has always been a need. But not more than the need to give Kobe other offensive options on the perimeter that he and the Centers could pass the ball to that could make a consistent shot. Especially when you consider that the Lakers have won several titles with Fisher as the starting PG.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Agreed AND we didn't have aguy who could create open shots for others...consistently.
Lakers won in the triangle (I know, I know) with the shot creation being shared between Kobe, Fish, LO… With a few mid-range ball handlers, you can create space for guys shooting 3’s. When we didn’t hitour 3’s when we lost. But I think we’re better spaced with a solid PG, especially now. If we could get one with the tradeexception, I’d stand pat beyond that.
No matter what, we need D AND if nothing else a guy to collapse the opponents D.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Barea, KIdd, the zone D and their shooting pushed them through...absolutely
Dallas, although they were the older team, shot lights out. I don’t think they shot a better % in any other series. But they did posses some youth and speed at important positions
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"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
We do not want to see DH, DWill and Dirt together in Dallass next year and that is the end run Cuban is looking at.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
That would mean Orl let him walk out, and that is as likely as OKC trading Westbrook/Durant
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
It means he would have to be an FA next summer.
Some teams he doesn’t have on his short listcould trade for him.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Unless he does at the very least what CP3 did
No team is gonna trade key players for a year rental
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
KAHHHNNNN!
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Just Dirt!
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Well, with Horford out for three months, dumb trade scenario:
Pau for Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, and Hinrich’s contract via the Odom TPE.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Similar concept...me likey
Even if Heinrich isn’t a long term fix.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Teague would be.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
My bad
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Does that make sense for ATL in the short term?
They go from having one serviceable big who’s a PF to one serviceable big who’s a center. Unless you think Ivan Johnson is more than just a figment of the nightmares of small children
Ivan Johnson scares Mike Tyson.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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Dont be hating on his grillz
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Ivan Johnson can ball
I used to play with him at run n shoot in atlanta. when he wasn’t high he was pretty good. when he was high he was even better
GET HIM HIGH AND GET HIM TO THE LAKERS!
But wait until I can install some more locks on my doors.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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LOL
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Sir Ivan
wants you to know that back in old country small children were made to daydream about him. There was no such thing as nightmare
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Hortford AGAIN?
He seems to get injured a lot.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Time for Atlanta to purge that team.
The Lakers should have dibs on McGrady or Hinrich
by E-ROC on Jan 12, 2012 3:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Been Saying this for months
Need a punisher on the double-teams. But lose Gasol, and you lose some of the opportunities. Look for a shooter with free agency coming up and an interest in rings. Don’t need a high-priced point guard. Use the LO TPE.
by celticandlakerfanreally on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM PST reply actions
The one thing that Gasol seems to hit really well and I don't think its utilized enough
is his mid range shot. Especially when he pops out when Bynum is being doubled and he is wide open.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Drew has to keep getting better at kicking it back out.
Kobe has to keep doing what he’s doing.
Dudes have to make them.
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Welp
LakersNation Lakers Nation
Direct from Lakers: Steve Blake has a fracture of the cartilage that connects the rib to the sternum – story coming soon
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
fuuuuuck
Sad face for Blake…happy face for Morrison.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
Oh damn, that's ugly. He looked like he was gonna cry last night.
It must have happened when he made that last pass. He got injured against Phoenix, but I don’t think anyone knew it.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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Apparently it happened in the Suns game, and he aggravated it yesterday
He’s still listed as day-to-day so I don’t think he misses too much time, hope he gets back to 100% soon.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Dariuuuussss (and G-Lock?) minutes coming!
"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
One Nation...under a groove. IAATL(D). It's all about the Lakers (defense).
by Zen and Tonic on Jan 12, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Blake diagnosed with a costrochaondral fracture
First the lunotriquetral, now the costrochaondral, what’s next the iliofemoral !!?!
That's a lot of letters
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
IKR?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
I was tempted just to put random letters together and make up a liagment/bone
Just to see if anyone notices such was the aeroquadracrucial ligament.
i read crucial at the end
a thought popped, Lebron missing FT’s.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
Somewhere Kobe is jealous thinking
Why couldnt i have that. I bet i’d score 50 if i did
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
by lakergirl on Jan 12, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
LOLLLLL
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
He can play through that
and I’m being serious
Man, I'm starting to wonder why you decided to be an engineer and not being a professional sports trainer
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
the engineering world needed his professional sports expertise
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
nope
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
yep
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
For fun and hits we should start the Steve Nash to Lakers rumors/talk
regardless of how realistic that is
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
nothing is unrealistic. Steve Nash for Fisher and a strand of Barnes’ amazing good hair.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
by Jelly Bean on Jan 12, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This is too good and crazy not to post
JR Smith’s sister get’s in brawl in China
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/12/today-in-strange-j-r-smith-news-from-china-j-r-s-sister-gets-in-a-brawl/
This time, it wasn’t Smith who did something, but his sister. According to reports, after Smith was fouled, his sister threw a bottle onto the court. And then freaked out, choking a woman and shoving an 80-year-old. The game had to be stopped and Smith actually went into the stands to try and restrain his sister.
The picture in the article is very thuggish….
... So that's what happened to Smith...
Wondering where he was…
by x Nightwing x on Jan 12, 2012 4:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You sure that wasn't Lebron's mom?
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
This is pretty good.
Only thing that holds me back is the possiblity of getting D-Will in a Pau trade this offseason. But Nelson would still be good, and the other scenario isn’t likely anyway…
by x Nightwing x on Jan 12, 2012 4:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We would have to trade MWP and someone else to make that happen
And why would Orl take on his contract? Their gonna try to cut salary, not take on more
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Bynum, Gasol, and the TPE
for those guys. Would that work salary wise?
Starting lineup = Howard, Anderson, Barnes, Bryant, and Nelson
Bench = Murphy, McRoberts, Turkoglu, Ebanks, Blake
That's a really good team...
by x Nightwing x on Jan 12, 2012 4:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
off topic
Am I the only one who thinks that Pau will be inducted into the HOF, not that he doesn’t deserve it, but mostly to hype up his impact as a Euro player and the NBA’s diversity?
Only reason why I am bringing this up is because I think that being a HOF’er is a requirement to get your jersey retired as a Laker. I would love to see that jersey up there.
I don't consider myself a hoarder just a person who loves to save things
I doubt he gets his jersey retired as a Laker unless we go on another championship run
Not just one more.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Keep in mind Jerry West only won one championship and Shaq has 3, so that's not a good barometer.
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Tweetness
Yea, but Gasol didn't play as well as those two during their Laker tenure
Nor have the impact on the franchise/league than those two. If it was any other franchise then his jersey would be retired for sure, for the Lakers i’m not sure it would be.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Pau pulled us out of the hell hole we'd been in since 2003, and fit in more seamlessly than any player in history.
That’s a pretty huge impact. I don’t think he has to impact the league for the Lakers to retire his jersey.
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Tweetness
Kareem,Magic,West,Baylor,Wilt just to name a few
Im sorry but Pau isnt the same stratusphere as any of those players. Theres no way he should get his jersey retired
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 7:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Agree
No way does he get a jersey over M. Cooper, Jamaal Wilkes, maybe B. Scott, D. Fish. Horry has more glorious moments as well, though not as good of a player.
Pau benefited greatly from Kobe’s presence and used it well and we appreciate his 3 year run as a top 20 player, but to get a jersey up, come on. Dude has to bring it for a much longer time. He also was a principle reason we lost to Boston and Dallas with his soft play.
Also no way on the HOF. He has never even been the best player at his position for any length of time. Very good player, nice career. Describes half the players on any championship teams. Most don’t get in the Hall.
Gasol deserves it over all those guys you named
None of them were ever the consistent 2nd option on a championship team
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree
Hate to considering your football favorite, but Coop won 5 rings as arguably the best 6th man of the decade and no doubt a top 10 all-time defender. 10 years trumps 4 in my book for a jersey.
And Wilkes absolutely should be in. (See Below) Scott, Fish as I said maybe, but both contributed longer and overall better than Gasol has at this time.
If he stays a Laker, they win another ring w/ his contributions, then we can talk.
We lost to Boston in part because of KG vs Gasol
But also Gasol was playing C in that series, and we had to stick Radmonvich on Pierce because Ariza was hurt. Injuries/defense/ and everyone not named Kobe were the principles reasons we lost. If your gonna put him as the principle reason we lost those series, then you better say he should’ve been Finals MVP in that Orl series where he dominated his matchup against D12 and he better be a principle reason for the following year.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Marty
I said “a” principle reason not THE principle reason. Certainly a main reason though, wouldn’t you agree, just as he was a reason we won 2 in a row, though no way was he MVP. Come on!
You love him I get that, but he isn’t that guy anymore. It is truth.
Well, I'd say that for the last 3 years and 3 months of last season
he was the best pivot PF in basketball and the most versatile PF in basketball
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Pau was a Hall of Famer the year he was traded to the Lakers
One of the top two or three European players of all time and one of the best FIBA players (outside the U.S.) ever. And now he has two NBA championship rings to go with his European titles, World Championship title, and Olympic silver medal. The Lakers generally will only hang their HOF player jerseys from the rafters, so once Pau is in, he should get his jersey retired.
It’s a travesty that Wilkes isn’t in the HOF yet, with his four NBA rings, Rookie of the Year award, three All-Star Teams, and 14,644 points. He also has two NCAA titles, being the second best player on the greatest college basketball team of all time (88 consecutive wins!). How is it possible that this guy is not in the HOF, especially seeing as how it’s not the NBA HOF, it’s the Basketball HOF and routinely admits NCAA Division II and III coaches.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 13, 2012 2:47 AM PST up reply actions
The HoF is a joke when it comes to Euro players though.
You get players getting in for Euro accomplishments, yet at the same time they had such ‘accomplishments’ they played in the NBA and showed themselves to not be able to hold a candle to true HoFers.
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 13, 2012 2:54 AM PST up reply actions
Alot of the best Euro players never played in the NBA in their prime
Biggest example was Sabonis
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 13, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Spain win the Gold in 2004?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Argentina won, i guess
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
Oh, right that is also a possibility
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Agreed with Dude
Pau will probably be in the HOF even if you discount his work on the Lakers. He was the number one leader on the Spanish team that won multiple european and world titles. He was the MVP of the 2006 FIBA World Championship. Led Spain to Olympic Bronze, narrowly losing to the USA.
Olympic silver, actually
But if you go to Pau’s wiki page, the column on the right side lists all his accomplishments, and they’re pretty extensive. He’ll also probably finish with something close to 20,000 career NBA points.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol
by The Dude Abides on Jan 13, 2012 3:12 AM PST up reply actions
Silver is correct
It’s what I meant since they lost to the USA in the Gold medal game. Typing at 3 am = dumb errors.
By impacting the league I mean by his play and dominanting for LA
Im not saying Gasol didn’t do anything for the Lakers, anyone who honestly thinks that never watched the Lakers championship runs. I just think that his impact wasn’t as strong as the other retired Lakers. If Gasol were to be part of another championship team and play at high level for the rest of his contract or then his jersey should be retired, but not with his current Laker accomplishments
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
You know what, Worthy also has his jersey retired
So if Gasol can keep up his play and stay a Laker for a bit longer then yea his jersey should be retired… but everything i said b4 is still true lol
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget AMMO, as well.
But let’s be objective here. The role of the player in the title run is obviously important. The more titles a player has as the 2nd/3rd option on a team, the better his HOF hopes are.
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Thats watering down the hof
Championships dnt equal hof. Nba standards alone and he isnt even close to getting in.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 5:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
pffft!
if thats the case then throw throw mark “mad dog” madsen to the mix!
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 12, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Madsen was the 2nd option?
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Hasn't been a Laker long enough, IMO...
Although the 2 championships are big. Another title, and he’ll no doubt be heavily considered.
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Pau get his jersey retired? no way.
I dnt think he gets into the HOF based strictly on his nba resume. What has he done to separate himself from any other potential HOFer?
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 5:30 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You can't hype up his impact as a Euro player
the Spanish national team has been good regularly and Pau has regularly been the MVP of that team. I don’t see what there is to hype up. It’s like saying that they’ll induct Adam Morrison just to hype up his college career besides the fact that we all know there’s nothing to hype up here. Morrison was clearly the reason the Lakers won the last two titles they did with his impact
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Don't forget Sun Yue.
I couldn’t see LAL beating DEN the year they won without Sun Yue.
Looks like he's bound for the Euro HOF lol
His nba career is nowhere near impressive enough for HOF or have his Laker Jersey retired either
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 6:26 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The basketball hall of fame counts everything
not just NBA accomplishments
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I know i know
Im just saying his Euro resume is what will get him in not his nba one
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 7:11 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
either way, it's still the HOF
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
by Marty Mart on Jan 12, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He has better NBA numbers than Worthy.. a HOFer
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Pau wouldnt equal Worthys numbers had he played in that era
He falls and flails now in this new soft nba do you actually think he could handle playing n the old school nba? On the flipside Big Game James would likely have better numbers
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by EmmCeee on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think
one of the hindrance Pau’s jersey wouldn’t be up there is because his lackadaisical effort night in and night out. And because of that we despise him and knowing he could have done a better job if only his effort isn’t lacking. Not sure about this. But just a thought.
Bleeding Purple And Gold
is a strong word. most of us love him for what hes given us. i just think if we can trade him to get better than we do it. that being said i don't think trading him with bynum to orl for a package of layers is 100% the answer i'm looking for
sorry cut off my first post, lol.
Dude, no one despises Gasol.
Except BrittneyM.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Tweetness
by SoCalGal on Jan 12, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
LOL
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Him and Kobe are pals, if I remember right.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
Nice article C.A.
I’ve read some comments above and I like the Gasol for Scola, Martin and Dragic. Those players don’t lack effort every game. And I really like Dragic for the lakers. Oh well, in Mitch we trust.
Bleeding Purple And Gold
Would rather have Nelson than Dragic even...
by x Nightwing x on Jan 12, 2012 6:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pau and Odom TPE for Josh smith and someone else
Only pau trade i see making sense… And if ORL doesn’t wanna give up howard using a straight up trade for Bynum then fuck em… Bynum isnt our weak point…
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
dude!
i would kill to see j-smoove in a lakers uniform!
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 12, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is the only deal including Pau that would actually be an upgrade and is plausible
And the Odom TPE can be used in this trade to acquire another player that fills in some more gaps at the perimeter, I’m not that familiar with the Atlanta lineup.. Ben R would be perfect for this…
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
by Funkensteinn on Jan 12, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Whew! Just checked the roster.
We could get Radman back!!!!
by x Nightwing x on Jan 12, 2012 6:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like him, but we'd need a lot more back... More than they can give I think.
How good is Jeff Teague?
by x Nightwing x on Jan 12, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
For anyone wanting to comment on tonight's games
here is the thread for you:
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2012/1/12/2703395/non-lakers-game-thread-for-1-12
how you doin'
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you're so considerate
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by Funkensteinn on Jan 12, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
random butttttt.....
Where the hell is Gilbert Arenas?…And why hasn’t he been picked up by anybody yet
At this point, I’d take him at the Vet Minimum as a 3 point specialist off the bench in a heartbeat!. Jimmy needs to make this happen!!!
For the vet's min? And he comes off the bench? That's a steal.
Our bench can’t get much worse, to be honest. If he screws up, we let him go.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
Elijah Millsap, Gerald Green, Brandon Costner, and Courtney Fortson are good shooters.
Might as well give these players a chance to see if anything sticks
He's available? really?
that is weird…
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
MAYO?!
really? wow
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Morrow and a pick for Mayo.
The Griz seem to really want to get rid of Mayo. I would want him but I doubt they trade him in the same conference.
TRADING A PICK FOR MAYO?!
WITH ANOTHER PLAYER?! FOR O J M A Y O?
This is why this league is ridiculous lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Maybe we can trade Luke/Fish for Mayo plus pick and tons of cash LOL
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
I LOVE MORROW
He would be suchhhhhhhh an amazing backup to Kobe
Don’t see it happening though.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Best pure shooter in the NBA. He'll come at a price.
Not much defense, though.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
You know what? You're right.
Let’s get him.
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kapono guys. just cuz hes a shooter doesnt mean itll work just like that. it myt work for a while but itll disappear. unless youre ray allen.
The Kobe System
sorry-i was referring to morrow. he's a product of a team offense. it myt work for his team, doesnt mean itll work for the lakers.
The Kobe System
his stats are inflated. if youre in that thought, then might as well get vujacic back. at least we have some hustle and defense.
The Kobe System
And half court fouls, as well, lol.
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haha. ur right, but you get my point (i hope)
The Kobe System
I do.
Although, more than anything, I want some athleticism on this bench.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
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I think the Lakers will wait on all their assets till after the Howard trade situation is over
Anyone we trade for can’t be instantly traded to another team, so any trades we make now limit our flexibility for the potential Howard trade.
Whether Howard is at the center of that equation or Bynum is, the equation doesn’t change
Well, it kinda does. Because Bynum will likely be on crutches again, and Howard hasn’t been. Hate to bring up the obvious…but it is obvious and probably the primary reason the trade hasn’t and might never go down.
Gettin ready to watch D12 crush the Midget State Warriors
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
Lol, the Lakers should sign Will Foster to add to their length.
Foster is 7’5" by the way.
They should use the guy they drafted
Ater Majok I think. 6"10 with a 7’7 wingspan hot damn
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
like the article, i disagree.
you cant replace height (2 7-footers). thats our strength against any team- no one in the league can compete with that.
height brings offense and defense. you guys are well aware how skilled our 2 big men are.
i would love to point out the things that gasol and bynum brings to the lakers, but there are just so many.
i dont care that its scole and some other guys for gasol-we can get those types of guys without taking out a 7footer.
if anything, im open for the dwight trade because you have to be dumb to not go for a once in a generation athlete like dwight. but im not taking out both gasol and bynum to get dwight and some pieces.
The Kobe System
oh yeah, people (laker fans) have even gone for bosh for drew.
i got into and argument with a frigend of mine saying he would do that-i let it slip by and let him continue talking. all i thought about was he was ignorant of how big a center plays into basketball games. bosh is crap. id take scola or lamar odom over chris bosh. bosh is thin for a pf. his skills can be replaced by anyone at his height with some muscle for defense.
The Kobe System
I dunno........
I would much rather get Gwen Stefani than the Harajuku Girls.
Affectionately,
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 12, 2012 7:55 PM PST reply actions
Just sayin'. Probasketball talk
Gerald Green, the former first round pick best known for his dunking exploits during his time in the NBA, seemed like a much smarter player than most remembered while make 13 of his 17 shot attempts for 34 points off the Los Angeles D-Fenders’ bench in the first of four games on Monday.
Sure didn't look like that during preseason
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
it is the d league though, any vet worth his salt should be having those types of games
i mean antoine “double cheeseburger” walker was having his way in the d league last season. it’s doesn’t translate to the league most times unfortunately
There is nothing wrong with the D-League.
Walker and Green are completely different cases. Danny Green is thriving with the Spurs even though they got him out of the D-League. Reggie Williams was one of the better shooters in the NBA last season and Warriors plucked him out of the D-League. You can clown the D-League all you want, but the talent is there.
i never said d league isn't legit. i said most times players tearing up the d league can't translate it into meaningful nba minutes. of course there are examples of players who have proven to be able to contribute in the nba
but that isn’t the norm, how many chances has green had to show out in the nba and done nothing. green has skills to play big d league minutes but for whatever reason he can’t translate that to the nba game.
You swiftly dismissed by saying Antoine Walker was dominating this league last season.
That outburst isn’t the norm for sure. Green is a good shooter from range, something the Lakers desperately needs. Ditto for Costner, Millsap, and Fortson. Many of these players have long been good shooters. Plus, I haven’t read article that suggested that Green has become a “much smarter” before this one by Kurt Helin. I think Green can just spot up in the corner and shoot along with the other players.
Man a Dwight Kobe P&R would be nearly unstoppable
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
They were in the Olympics.
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IDKY but,
I completely forgot about the olympics
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
lol it would be as hard as you think considering D12 can’t shoot…. a Gasol-Kobe should theoretically be way more effective
As a roll man Dwight is a lot better than Pau and is harder to stop because he's stronger and is TON more athletic.
If you step up to close Kobe could lob it over or throw a bounce pass to Dwight. If teams want to prevent dunks all night they have to respect Dwight rolling hard to the basket and Kobe now becomes free in his drives to the basket. If teams collapse on the lane then you leave shooters open on the perimeter. This has a lot of positives. Kinda reminds me of Nash and Amar’e x10. While Pau can hit the spot up 15-17ft jumper, he’s more of a pick & pop player. Now if we keep Gasol with Kobe and Dwight, then what will teams do?
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
If Kobe drives around to the basket sure
but cutting off Kobe leaves open the lob that Dwight can go and get better than Pau which makes leaving Dwight much harder
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
oh yeah, if anyone has thought of a monster team, it would be a swap of amre for bosh. GG.
The Kobe System
miami=monster team. not the trash that is NYK
The Kobe System
Howard
I maybe the only one here but I don’t trust Dwight Howard enough to trade for him. He has stated that he will not sign an extension with ANYONE until this summer. Of course with the new CBA that makes business sense. He really does seem confused to me. What if D Williams signs with his home town team Dallas and invites Dwight to come play with him and Dirk. Does Dwight stay with a 34 year old Kobe and lets say, a 32 year old Gasol or does he go play with a young superstar point guard that will be around awhile?
Your also forgetting that if we win he'll want to stay.
For one, this just isn’t purely about basketball for Dwight(reason why he wants a bigger market). Secondly, if the Clippers don’t succeed CP3 is only their two years and he’s gone. If he already uprooted his family from NO, you don’t think he’ll want to stay in town? Also, who in their right mind would leave LA for Dallas? Especially w/ the Lakers history of keeping a contender on the floor? Throw in the appeal of playing with the best C int he league in one of the best markets and players will keep flocking west. I think Dwight knows this, but if he isn’t traded, I can totally see him going to Dallas instead of NJ as a FA. Dirk,Dwight, and Deron.
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
i'm assuming when dwight says LA is one of his preffered destinations
it means that signing the extention will be part of the deal in the trade
Howard
Why couldn’t Howard win now with D- Will, Dirk, Terry etc? That’s my point, he can win now AND have a long time star side kick in D-Will.
Reply fail?
check my post above
AMMO carried the Lakers to back-2-back titles and we couldn't even get LEWIS MONROE for him...
by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible Idea
This is lunacy….. we shouldnt trade Gasol, a top 5 PF, just for outside shooting. Bottom line is we dont even need to trade anyone else for D12. The Magic don’t really have very many other options…..
Has everyone forgotten all those years we had a tough time finding a PF to pair with Shaq? Samaki walker and Horace grant?! If we absolutely had to trade Gasol, it should be for a point guard, not outside shooting. Barnes, Blake, and Kapono may not be Ray Allen but they are serviceable. Hell if we wanted outside shooting, we could just get Ray himself, I’m sure Boston would love to have Gasol.
Im sick of Laker fans undervaluing Gasol. A twin tower effect is something not to be undervalued. Outside shooting is easy to find, a 7ft skilled big guy is not…. what has gotten into people these days
by robi s on Jan 12, 2012 8:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lol @ Kapono being serviceable
Quite honestly Pau isnt undervalued. He underachieves relative to his skillset and what he gets paid. Otherwise he would have been just as untouchable as Kobe and never mentioned in trade talks.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 12, 2012 9:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Don't know if any of you watched or are watching but Dwight has a 40 20 game lmao
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Doing work!... and Mark Jackson is employing Hack-A-Dwight , about to shoot his 39th and 40th FT
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
But he is shooting 12-21 from the field so its not like he's getting all his points from the line
In fact if he was a decent FT shooter he would have easily had 50 by now
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
If he had made just half of the 18 he missed, he would have had a 54/23 game tonight.
Wow.
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But if he was a decent FT shooter, he wouldn't have all these attempts in the first place.
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Might have been a 50-20 game if he made his FTs.
But then again GSW might stop fouling him if his making it.
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by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
if he made all his fts he's have 63 pts lol
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As for why his scoring is so high this game, he wasn't that much above his average, but GS gave him 39 free throws on purpose
He was being hacked when he wasn’t even thinking of shooting. They noticed his FG% this year is 59% and his FT% is 43% so they tried to play the odds. (They also went with the hack-a-Shaq style because their starting center Kwame Brown is out for the year, shows how desperately GS needs a legit center)
Dwights rebounding was beast though.
Because Dwight is a Beast always
Bynum’s start was a fluke IMO. I would trade him in a minute. Matter of fact, I would fly to LA, pay for the Uhaul, help him pack and drive his stuff to Orlando for him. Howard is such an upgrade it’s not even funny. Also Anderson is their top scorer, they won’t trade him. LA would just have to eat Turks contract and pay the Lux Tax. Whatever we have to do to win.
by kingofatlanta on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
agreed...
I think Orlando is going to screw him over and trade him somewhere he doesn’t want to go. But the only reason I am waiting to make my trip to staples is the trade deadline. Hopefully Howard is in Purple and Gold.
by kingofatlanta on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
He's not that much of an upgrade, prior to tonight their averaging very similar numbers
He’s an upgrade but its not leaps and bounds, were not talking about trading Kwame for Gasol or anything near that level
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
the numbers don't tell the story...
Beyond this season, Bynum has been a disappointment. The numbers for Bynum sounds good but he hasn’t sustained them and can’t.
by kingofatlanta on Jan 12, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
he is a huge defensive upgrade
Drew’s feet are not as mobile as Dwight, Dwight covers so much of the floor that he makes Orlando’s defense what it is now. Drew is an excellent post defender highlighted by the Utah game yesterday but elite pg like Nash expose his weaknesses.
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It's a bigger upgrade than I think people think. Don't just read into stats like that
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
let's be honest... it's an upgrade.
In long term, Dwight effect will be huge in Lakers (if he’s traded here). Bynum? in long term? hmmmm idk… (health issues)
I'll take the stamina upgrade
the athleticism upgrade
the defensive upgrade
The first guy down the court the entire game upgrade
the quicker moves upgrade
the passing out of double teams upgrade
I’ll take the maximum upgrade possible please
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by madmaxx350 on Jan 13, 2012 3:01 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
They'll be as good as they were last year
They’ll beat all the bad/average teams and struggle against the better playoff times
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
i hate to give that asshole clicks and keep him gainfully employed at yahoo, but it is hilarious ot read the comments on his article. he gets 0 support from anyone, it's nothing but ragging on his wirting skills.
at this point you have to believe yahoo lets him keep his job because they know people will read his nonsense just to tell him what a dumbass he is and make money on the clicks, and dwyer being the sad sideshow monkey he is has to know this and be cool with it knowing its putting food on his table. pretty satisfying and just when you think of it in those terms, lol.
Jesus! When I'm honest to myself, I can even admit if Kobe didn't play against the Warriors and the offense had to go through Drew, his numbers still wouldn't be that ridiculous.
Line of the Season: Dwight Howard (ORL) career-high 45 points, 23 rebounds, 12-21 FG, 21-39 FT (NBA record), W
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think the Line of the Season comes with the proverbial asterisk though
They were fouling Dwight on purpose at Mid Court when he didn’t even have the ball, over and over again. It wasn’t a matter of Dwight getting fouled 20 times at the rim or fouled 20 times because he played a particularly insanely aggressive game.
Orlando was shooting over 50% for the game and 44% from the 3 point line, so GS wanted the Orlando offense to go through Dwight’s 43% FT%.
It was just a matter of poor coaching that gave Dwight the extra 20 points.
LOL, an asterisk? That's what they said about Bynum's 44-point game against the Clippers.
44 points is 44 points, just like 45/23 is 45/23.
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I dunno if you watched the game
I am not saying Dwight doesn’t deserve to have 45/23 in the books.
But to mention it as the best stat line of the year, its misleading. If GS plays against the Clippers and deploys this dumb strategy against D.Jordan and decides to go even further deeper in this hack-a-shaq strategy and then hands DeAndre 60 FT’s based on just his poor FT%, and D.Jordan scores a total of 40 points, should we call it one of the best individual games of the year?
Without the free gimme FT’s, dwight still would have had a 26-23 game, which is a monster game which only Dwight can bring, but the insane stat line of 45-23 came because of no other reason other than Dwight was the worst FT shooter on his team and M.Jackson wanted to have fun and experiment.
*note: Just to be clear, M.Jackson mentioned early in the game that he wanted to break the record for giving a single player the highest number of FT's
It was GS’s strat from the beginning to give Howard all those points from FT’s, banking on his low % to help them.
I think all it did was put all their players in foul trouble so they couldn’t play all out in real defense.
Not sure where I said this.
But to mention it as the best stat line of the year, its misleading.
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It was in the post I was originally commenting to
On which you replied with a rebuttal towards me, which I, in turn, rebutted in response.
Its ok, we all love each other here.
It is the best stat line of the season.
Saying it isn’t is like saying Kobe’s 81-point game didn’t really mean anything because it was against the lowly Toronto Raptors, who happened to be kicking the Lakers’ ass. Keep in mind we only won that game by 18.
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They didn't purposely put Kobe at the line 40 times as a strategy from the beginning from of the game
If GS uses that strategy that used today on any half-decent NBA player, that player would have 40 or more points by the end of the game.
If Kobe’s 81 point game included 80 free throws, most of which were purposely given when he wasn’t even close to be in the act of shooting, then I would say its comparable, but that obviously wasn’t the case.
I think the problem is we're focusing so much on the 45 points part of his game
w/o the free throws it was still a 24-23 game, which is still an amazing game.
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
and even he didn't played tonight, ...he's still amazing!
things he does won’t change. His tonight stat is just icing to the cake.
It’s Dwight Howard and will always be.
They only put Kobe there 20 times instead of 40.
Dwight had an awesome game and there won’t be an asterisk in the record books next to his stat line.
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They put Kobe there during his shot attempts to try to stop him from scoring
They put Howard at the line (even at times when he didn’t have the ball) in order to stop his teammates from scoring
Regardless if it's 44, 45, 24 or w/e, Dwight beasted tonight, and it was in a way I don't think Drew can do as much as Dwight can
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Drew isn't in good enough shape (yet) to put up great numbers over a sustained period of time IMO
In the past, he has done the same thing, with crazy stats for 2-3 weeks, only to see it fall down again (or plummet from injury)
I just dont see Drew doing it as much as Dwight does it(healthy and all)
He just doesn’t attack the glass as aggressive sometimes and Dwight’s athletic ability allows him to get more boards than Drew can, even with his length.
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don't either
As stated above, Bynum has never in his career played consistently at an All-Star level for more than a few weeks at a time. He plays like a monster here and there before falling back to earth. Sometimes it’s an injury that hampers his production and sometimes it’s either mental or physical fatigue.
no, they plummeted as well
whether by injury or not lol
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naw, u said they plummet from injury
I was just saying they plummet regardless
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Andrew will never be in good enough shape to do that.
It took him 7 years to get his first 20/20 game. Even he said it was about time.
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Even w/o the Ft's he had 24 points and 23 rebounds which is still a game I wouldn't consistently expect from Drew
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't consistenly expect that from Dwight or anyone else either
A 20-20 is like a 40 point game, even the greatest don’t do it consistently
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well Dwight has 4 or 5 in the beginning of the season that's as about as consistent as it gets
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I probably should've said 35 point games
And he has like 30-40 something his entire career and he’s played in over 500 regular season game
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL, you keep finding things that don't make him great.
He can’t do 20/20 consistently, he took advantage of Golden State’s limited frontcourt, he only has 30-40 35-point games in his career of over 500 games.
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LOL, well I didn't mean those two things to come across like that
I think its a great thing that he took advantage of GS frontcourt, it was a weakness he realized it and I think he attacked more than usual.
And Im just saying that no one does 20-20 consistently (except Wilt). And I meant its more comparable to 35 point games, (i did some research and its more like 45-50 point games) and that Dwight had somewhere between 30-40 20 point/20 rebounds games. I think its at 35 or 36 now.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Which, by how rare it is, is a hell of a number he's on now
I mean he has 3 this season in 11 games
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
And he might not have another one again
You can’t just assume he’s gonna have 3 every 11 games, Bynum has 1 in 7 games, but he’s not gonna do it every 7 games.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Im not saying he's gonna do it 3 times every 11 games, but you can't sit there and really believe Dwight isn't going to have another night like that.
There just isn’t anyone like him in the league to stop him. Granted most nights he wont NEED to get a double 20, but he damn sure could have 20 20 most nights with the lack of true bigs.
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
LOL, yeah he's not gonna have another one in the next 55 games.
Bynum has one in 7 years, honey.
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Never said Bynum would get another one either
I’m not sure if my point isn’t clear, but its that expecting 20-20 consistently will lead you to be consistently disappointed
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
No one expects it on a nightly basis, but you certainly aren't surprised by it with Dwight.
With Bynum, you are which is why it was such a big deal last week. Dwight’s 20/20 nights are not that big a deal because he’s done it multiple times. That’s all I’m saying, not that they happen regularly, just often enough not to be shocking.
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Isn't the point that I don't see Drew doing this consistently as Dwight does it over the course of his career
Shaq only has what like 89 his entire 19 career?
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
And my point is no one does it consistently
D12 is a better rebounder than Bynum, but 20-20 games isn’t the main gauge for that. Alot of the players that have the most 20-20 games , were the sole primary rebounder so that also plays a factor. I just wanna be clear that im not saying Bynum is better than D12 (I do the trade ASAP if possible)
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I know, I wasn't implying you wouldn't trade Drew, and in no way am I saying Dwight is Wilt,
But he is probably the only player in the NBA right now that can have an abnormal amount of those games.
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
I can agree with that, & what you said above about his capability to do so
And he’ll most likely do it again, but even with the watered down position most of the time he’ll sit around his average (which is still great)
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Shaq was lazy. Dwight isn't.
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Even so, Dwight would have to play awhile at a high level to pass him there
by Fin Fan Forever on Jan 13, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
I'll go out on a limb and say he catches Shaq in 20-20 games in about 6 years :D
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 13, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Gasol
Never should they trade Gasol he to valuable. Come on man seriously pay attention to those 2 rings we got with him.
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by Lil'Terry on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM PST via Android app reply actions
if we want to talk of law of averages,
the orlando players shooting the lights out will fall to earth some day…
and our shooters buried in the ground may rise one day (everyone is shooting way below their career avg)…
i think a few more games and larger sample for our shooters to get into better rhythm is needed to make a judgement.
Our 3 point shooting definitely will become better (it can't get worse, and as you said everyone is at career lows)
Orlando’s 3 point shooting will probably drop a little, but they will still be deadly at 3 because they have a lot of legitimate 3 point shooters.
...and also because Dwight constantly demands double team inside
that helps a lot, shooters will have a little less problem. There always will be someone open on the floor.
yes, their 3 pt shooting will still be deadly regardless
but will the difference between their 3pt shooters and our 3pt shooters be worth losing gasol for? i would definitely say, “NO”
in addition, the 3pt shooting is almost bread and butter for orlando while the 3 pt shooting is the icing on the cake for us (atm),
I'm leery about trading an All-Star big purely for 3-pt shooters as well
If nothing else for the reason that it seems like whatever 3 point shooter we’ve grabbed over the past few years has had their 3 point % plummet once they came to the Lakers for whatever season.
At least in the Houston trade, in addition to Dragic and Martin (and a possible 1st round draft pick if we didn’t deal with NO), we would have had Scola, who is more than worthy starter on a championship caliber team.
I just checked the numbers
And it was mostly just Blake and Metta that had their 3 point numbers drop when coming to LA, so it wasn’t as bad as I thought. Maybe it had to do with the triangle, I dunno. At least Blake seems comfortable at range this year. Brown seriously should threaten to take Artest out of the game instantly if he shoots a 3 now, seriously… 2.1 attempts per game, 8% 3PT%… smh…
I really wonder wth happened to his shot?!
Like I could remember his 1st year he wasn’t the greatest shooter, but you had a feeling if you left him open too long it was going in. But now, dude couldn’t hit Earth with the Sun.
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by Q.Calloway25 on Jan 12, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Shouldn't give Peace a Chance at all if he's taking 3s
Unless he practices that shot a 100 times a day and goes 2 Ron Artest body of his Pacer days.He needs to go back 2 the post where he was most effective earlier within the season.
by deninourson on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
i dont understand why people want pau out of LA
pau gasol is the perfect complement to kobe and/or any superstars.. he’s game is unappreciated, but he is the most complete player(as a big man). and he doesnt have an ego like kobe and/or howard.
by letsgolal on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
I think its because in LA its been championship or bust
And in the 2 championship failures in the past 4 years, Pau has been outmuscled and outplayed for the 2nd best player on the Lakers. Pau has been great in the regular season, but he hasn’t been as consistent as he could have been in the off-seasons. I am not saying Pau deserves all the jeers he gets, just trying to explain some of it.
I dunno
Don’t like that as is – Ryan Anderson is screaming regression to the mean. Maybe if we got Nelson instead of Reddick, I’d be amenable.
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
Ryan Anderson shot 5.3 three-pointers a game last year at a 39.3% clip
He is shooting 7.6 three-pointers a game this year at a 43.4% clip (the increased shots commensurate with a 35% increase in minutes this year)
In his 4 years in the NBA, he started his rookie season with a 36.5% 3PT% and has steadily increased both his 3PT% each and every year as well as the number of threes attempted.
This year is no fluke, and once Anderson falls down to expectations based on his minutes, he will still be shooting 7 threes a game at a 40% clip.
He is the real deal for a floor stretching PF. I know nothing about his defense though.
In retrospect, regression to the mean was an extremely poor choice of words.
Outright wrong, in fact. What I intended to say was moreso that his numbers seem like they’d be misleading. His overall numbers, even beyond just the threes, suggest an extremely good power forward who could be a solid replacement for Pau Gasol – hell, his PER and WS/48 are comparable to Kobe’s; but from what I’ve seen of him as a player (admittedly little) he just doesn’t seem that… good. Sure, if Bynum returned to his debut-level dominance, where Pau was reduced to a spot-up shooter, Anderson might be deadly, but he certainly can’t serve as a focal point for the offense like Pau does when Bynum’s struggling with his shot or the defense. I also don’t think he’s getting 14 shots a game with the Lakers.
For shooters, it also matters for them to be comfortable and in their groove – the situation has to suit them. We’ve already seen evidence of that in very good career three point shooters such as Blake coming to the Lakers and looking entirely lost, having that reflected in their shooting. Anderson seems to me like one of the guys who, if you took him out of his current situation, would quickly fade to slightly above average at best.
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...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, I see, that makes more sense
Yeah, if Anderson went to the Lakers, his production would definitely decrease if Laker’s recent history is any indication.
I thought you meant Anderson’s numbers would go down over the course of the season if he stayed on the Magic with his current roster.
Anderson is currently the #1 option on the Magic purely in terms of FGA (not counting FT's)
So he is more of a 1b once free-throws are accounted for (He was also the highest scoring member of the Magic till last night).
So with the limited touches he will have alongside Kobe and Bynum, we limit his true usefulness and sorta waste his talents if he is on the Lakers.
If the Lakers give up their length in Bynum and Gasol, they should get Nelson and Reddick.
Getting one of them along with Howard and Turk isn’t enough for me to make that trade.
The Lakers Have 3pt Shooters
In in Jason Kapono which has had a 43% shooting from downtown one season, Andrew Goudelock can shoot it from deep. I enlighten you 2 watch his college highlights on Youtube that will make you say Jimmer who? and Steve Blake has good shooting the 3ball this year.
by deninourson on Jan 13, 2012 1:50 AM PST via Android app reply actions
The problem with our 3 point shooters is that most of them need to be 110% open before they try a shot
Esp. Kapono. I am not saying they need to create their own shot, but our guys are generally afraid of quickly catching and shooting when their defender is 3-6 feet away.
by neokoros on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Goudelock wasn't like that in College, from what I've heard of him.
And Kapono certainly doesn’t seem like that with the bench unit. I wonder how much of it is the amount of balls it takes to hoist up anything except a ridiculously wide-open jumper whilst you have Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum screaming for the ball.
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 13, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ryan anderson is... ummm... seeming like a flash in the pan
I’ll stick with Pau and his magical abilities to shoot 3’s now lol
Lets take a step back and look at what we have
We have 2nd best center in the league. Dominate around the basket and can defend any big 1v1. One of the best PF’s in the league. Money from 15’ great passer and can now hit the 3 with better % than most others on the team. And he’s 7’ tall and can play the 5. Matt Barnes knocking down 3’s and tons of hustle. Are there other guys at that position I would take over him, sure, but I think he adds alot of value. Then theres Kobe, yeah. And we get to Fish. Fish is my favorite player and I will defend him till the end but I think it’s finally over. No need for an overhaul IMO. We NEED a solid starting PG, we get that and we are set. Every team we play has a better situation at the 1 than us, starting and backup. Hell some teams backup PG’s are better than all of our combined.
Hell some teams backup PG’s are better than all of our combined.
Rubio = super backup :D
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Good try, but HELL NO!
You never give up a Star for role players. Those Magic role players are decent only because of DH gives them good looks. They would be scrubs anywhere else.
Don’t forget, Steve Blake and Barnes (even Metta) were vital players on other teams.
While they’re doing well this season, they still haven’t performed to our expectations. Barnes was good until the injury. He seems to be getting back to that level.
Bynum and Gasol should only be traded if we get Howard or other Stars in return.
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