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Lakers 90, Nuggets 99: Gunned Down

This was not just a bad game.

The Los Angeles Lakers fell to the Denver Nuggets by a final score of 99-90, and they lost because Kobe Bryant is on their team. Not because Kobe had a bad game, not because Kobe made mistakes. The Lakers lost this game because Kobe Bryant suited up for it. Tonight's loss sits squarely on his shoulders, and he alone carries that burden. I've done my fair share of defending Kobe over the years. Explaining away similar box scores, providing reasoned explanations about why Kobe might have thought what he was doing would be in his team's best interests, or why he might feel justified in trying to go it alone every now and then, despite the fact that it so rarely works these days. Tonight, however, was the culmination of every negative Kobe Bryant stereotype you've ever heard. It was one of the most actively selfish games you will ever see in the game of basketball, in part because if most any other player tried to get away with what Kobe did tonight, the coach would pull said player in a heartbeat.

The stats are pretty staggering. 6-28 shooting, 1-8 from three point range, just four free throws and 16 points. Two rebounds and four assists, both season lows. Six turnovers. He was outscored by both of the Lakers' star big men, despite shooting more than those two players combined. I'll say that again ... Both Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol contributed more points to the Lakers' cause than Kobe, despite taking less shots combined than Kobe took by himself. But stats never tell the whole story. Normally, the story not told by the numbers does some small part to mitigate Kobe's behavior. Maybe the team wasn't playing with strong effort and Kobe decided to try and lead them to victory with his formidable will. Maybe the team fell behind big early, so Kobe thought there would be no way back without him going Nova. Maybe he thought his team was playing soft, and decided to show them what tough play looks like. The story behind the numbers usually paints Kobe in a better light.

Stats don't tell the whole story this time either. The difference, this time, is that the story is much worse than the numbers show.

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Tonight's story starts where it has all season, with Kobe facilitating the team's offense in the 1st quarter. He played the entire 1st period. He didn't score, missing all five of his shots, but he did dole out two assists. The Lakers ended the quarter down five. Then Kobe came out, and the bench kept things close against their more vaunted Denver counterparts. The bench even trimmed 3 points off the lead, when Kobe returned to play out the half. Kobe took just 5 shots in the 2nd quarter too, but, having already established that he was struggling with his shot, you might think that Kobe's shot selection might be a bit more ... selective. Instead, three of his attempts were from distance. He even made one, the only three point shot he would drain on the night. Every time he took a three point shot, his defender would leak out in transition, and Kobe would not go with him, with the Nuggets turning many of Kobe's missed shots into easy layups. The Nuggets re-built their lead, up to 11 at the half, though we certainly can't blame all of that on Kobe.

Now comes the 2nd half. To start the half, the Lakers make a considerable effort to start getting the ball to their two big men. The 11 point deficit facing the team at the half is erased. Eight possessions later, five of which were used by Kobe(1-3 shooting, two made free throws and a turnover), the Denver lead is back up to 9. Kobe is taken out of the game. His third quarter totals: 7 points, 2-8 shooting, 3-4 FTs and one turnover. As Kobe comes out, Andrew Bynum comes in. He gets an And-1 on the next possession. Then a Steve Blake three. Then another. The bench + Andrew erases the lead again, and even brings the Lakers a two point lead when Kobe returns to the game. Over the next 18 possessions in which the game is decided (cutting off the last 30 seconds in which the game was no longer in doubt), Kobe Bryant uses 12 of them. He takes 10 shots, takes no free throws, commits two turnovers, and provides a lone assist to Pau Gasol. He makes 3 shots, scoring six points. Seven of his shots are from outside 20 feet. Four are from three point range. Two of those attempts, and the turnover, lead to easy fast break buckets for the Nuggets.

Now let's tell the story again, in broader strokes. Kobe starts the game with the normal mix of offense facilitation and scoring, but he struggles with his shot. The bench plays well while he's out and keeps the team in the game. Kobe comes back in and continues to struggle, and the team is down big at half. The second half starts, and an emphasis on utilizing the bigs gets the Lakers back in the game. Then, Kobe starts trying to find his shot, and continues to struggle. He leaves the game and Andrew Bynum and the Lakers bench once again gets the team back into it. Kobe comes back in and shoots the game into oblivion. There's only one thing missing from that story ... a single team related reason for Kobe to do what Kobe did in the entire second half. He wasn't trying to rescue his teammates, because his teammates spent the whole game rescuing him, except that in the end, he refused to let them. He wasn't trying to send a message to his guys about effort, because his guys were playing as hard as they could on the 2nd night of a back to back. This was purely about Kobe. He was unhappy about missing all the shots that he thinks he should be making, so he decided to shoot himself out of it, his teammates, and this game, be damned.

It was a waste of some very solid efforts. Andrew Bynum continues to look the real deal, with another 18 points and 16 boards. He missed a bunch of free throws, but his touch around the basket has been fantastic early on this season, and with that in place, his ceiling is insanely high. Pau Gasol chipped in a very strong, aggressive effort himself, with 20 points and 13 boards. Metta World Peace was solid, with 10 points off the bench on 7 shots. Steve Blake continued his roller coaster of a season, going 6-9 from the field for 14 points. The rest of the guys didn't provide any notable contributions, but the team played hard, especially in the second half, after it looked like this would be another tired performance on the second night of a back-to-back in the first half. The Lakers nearly held the previously high-flying Nuggets to less than 1 point per possession again, and limited the damage done from three point range as well, with the Nuggets hitting just two of their 18 attempts. Ty Lawson did well, but the damage done by his quickness was limited.

Is this game evidence of a bigger underlying problem? Maybe, maybe not. Only time can answer that question. I'm not going to sit at my keyboard and speculate whether Kobe's display tonight is evidence that Kobe will continue to play like this in the future. I'm not going to say that tonight's shot distribution is going to make Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum angry. I'm not going to guess whether the rest of this team is thinking quietly to themselves that Kobe is more of a problem than a solution. It would be silly of me to speculate. I'm not a mind reader. What I do know is how it feels to give everything to a team that loses because somebody else plays terribly and selfishly at the same time. I do know what I think about having those types of people on my team, even if they are considerably better than I am at basketball. I won't speculate on what the Lakers team thinks about Kobe's play tonight. But if I were in their position, I'd be pretty pissed off.

Kobe is one of the greatest to ever play this game. Maybe he can still play on that level consistently, or maybe he can't. That's not the point. Maybe today was just a bad game, something to which everyone, especially Kobe is entitled. That's not the point either. The point is this: Added to last Sunday's Bulls game, the Lakers have now sacrificed two games in one week at the altar of Kobe's greatness. With that in mind, you can't help but wonder just how restless the natives are getting.

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16

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84

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58

11

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I say sit him on the second of back-to-backs

Kobe must have one of the most prodigious alpha male personalities the sports world has ever seen, because everyone but Shaq (and Raja Bell and Ron Artest and Chris Childs) seems to be scared of him.

He’s 33 in I-don’t-run-and-jump-at-break-neck-speeds-for-a-living years, is in his 16th season, and is playing with a phyucked up wrist. Yes, he’s Kobe (with and without quotations), but somebody should think about his ability to play at a high level over the course of the season, and his posterity. It’s clear he doesn’t give a damn and would willingly die on the court if he could do so while hitting a game-wining shot during the clinching game of the Finals and if LeBron’s face were just close enough to his jumpshot air-borne nuts to create one of the illest posters the world has ever seen.

by Wil G on Jan 2, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, can't wait for the comments on this one.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

+1

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, not likely, though.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

When has it ever been consistent

Since we’ve known Kobe as a Laker he has had these games. He always bounces back. Wade had a very similar game just the other night, nobody even mentioned it. I think this is being blown out of proportion, kinda like everything the Lakers do or don’t do.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

we just need to handle business vs hou with kobe playing decent (25 pts, 5 rbs, 5 ast and a steal)

he had no rhythm today and c.a. is right, let’s not speculate. he’ll have nights like this and with this attitude but i trust he learned something anew today (reported he didn’t say a word leaving the venue tonight)

by bypasser on Jan 1, 2012 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

BYNUM HAS A 42.9 PER

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think he equals stupid but we are both on the same page I think. I can’t stand Hollinger.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

combine this trade with the one I posted a yesterday (I think?) and they Lakers are screwed :P

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7udjulx

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

ignore that unnecessary 'a'

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

and the fact that I added a 'y' after 'the'

I’m failing at typing today _

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

In an incredibly deep draft :)

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I think one's even funnier

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3gpseqa

-14 wins?

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, 'cuz Kobe is trying to make sure he gets a statue.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't think Kobe gets a staute outside of Staples in the future?

Of course he wants his statue outside of Staples with West and Magic.

by purrrrrple on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Read my comment again.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Please, he's already GOT his statue. That's a done deal.

he’s just being his prideful self.

There’s only one thing he needs to do now – SIT OUT OR A MONTH AND LET THAT WRIST HEAL UP.

(Dammit Kobe, I hate it when you get like this!)

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by BearStage on Jan 2, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it Mike Brown's offense?

"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"

by WaveOcean on Jan 1, 2012 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

seen too many sets in too little time to figure out.

i even don’t know how his “twin towers” offense will be like

by bypasser on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

No

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Last Sunday seems like a very long time ago

"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"

by WaveOcean on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM PST reply actions  

could not agree more. sums up my feelings as well. at this stage of his carreer kobe doesnt deserve to shoot 28 times especially when he cant hit anything. inexcusable behavior for him and this is one of the only games i can remember where kobe is like 95% responsible for a loss. completely on his shoulders

by DannyPin on Jan 1, 2012 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

There's no doubt Kobe was the prodigal shareholder in tonight's shitfest.

He’s taken some baffling shots before that have us in such a fowl mood and have let a victory be swiped right from our plates. I still think a lot of the shots just didn’t fall like they normally would. He looked off for most of the night, right off the bat he was a bit tentative catching and dribbling the rock. Missed a lot of bunnies and just looked tired and settled for mainly long range blanks. His reluctance to get back on defense is what irked me the most and I suppose all of those fb points incurred only magnified his offensive debacle. The wrist and 6 gms in 8 nights did their damage. Let’s hope they rest up for Houston on Tuesday. I know Kobe’s going to come out strong next time. Just throw this one out as part of 2011’s trash and move on.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

same guy that always has

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

idk

just another Hollywood guy getting a divorce

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF???

How is it possible that both teams are absolutely screwed in this trade??

Hollinger makes no sense

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It's sample size. Chill.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, it's the value of the replacements.

Bynum’s ridiculous PER also screws up these calculations.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 1, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No haha I'm chill I know it's a small sample size

I just like to point out faults in Hollinger’s logic whenever possible ;)

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 1, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

NO.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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by bluexfalcon on Jan 1, 2012 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think I could have made 442 comments if I tried.

@brosales12

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by Ben R on Jan 1, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

loll, right?

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

first post

Long-time lurker, FBG regular, Laker fan since forever.

I have defended Kobe from the Simmons/Abbott/Moore crowd for years. Not tonight, though. Given his age, his wrist, the need to keep the pace slow against Denver, and Denver’s obvious inability to match up with the Laker bigs, there was no reason at all for him to jack up 28 shots and 8 3s tonight.

Two points about Brown:

1. I don’t like Ebanks not playing at all.
2. I would like to see some sets with Kobe on the block and Pau in the high post.

Also, while everyone was nice about it, I wasn’t thrilled with the Nuggets fan assuming that all of the Laker fans would be engaged in “hero worship.”

by rreducla on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

This recap could've been

Kobe screwed up the game. Deactivated the ball and put it on the inactive list with Morris and then chucked both of them into the Lake.

And you know what, at the end of the day it was an epically awful game from Kobe. Probably the worst I’ve ever seen. so with that I start the new campaign…

TRADE KOBY 4 NICK YUONG!!!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:06 PM PST reply actions  

LOL, idiot.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Give Kobe a break MM

he was jus trying to be something he’s not

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Only Nick Young can chuck so prodigiously

and come out unscathed. Doesn’t The Chucker know that? I think not.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This is total blasphemy and i hate myself for even thinking like this, or even dwelling back on the dark days. but...

when kobe was going crazy on the radio asking for a trade do you think we could of got kd from the then sonics at the time? i imagine we could of, being that kobe was at the top of the heap and durant was a rookie. it would of been lopsided at the time and we probably would of got some good draft pciks to go with it. when kobe was going through it i kept thinking well shit if it has to happen lets get durant out of it so we’re set up for the next 10 years. i had no idea durant would turn into what he is now, but its kind of crazy to think about it, what could of been. now excuse me while i go wash my mouth out with soap.

by purrrrrple on Jan 1, 2012 10:08 PM PST reply actions  

No.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

you don't think we could of swung kobe for kd if we ended up really having to trade him.

i mean durant wasn’t durant at that time. he was just a highly regarded rookie, kobe was the undisputed best player in the game at the time.

by purrrrrple on Jan 1, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

the chucker has never been an undisputed best player in the game

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

lmao

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

omg, this really just made my day.

seriously, funniest thing I’ve ever read here outside of Dex’s your mom jokes

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, why do you want to ignore Marty?

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

i wudnt be here right now

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm, what?

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

then we'd be the thunder + pau and bynum lol

but seeing what has happened since, no regrets we stuck with kobe

by bypasser on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

oh definitely. i was panicked thinking about a laker world without kobe at the time

i wouldn’t trade the 2 chips and the good times since then for kd. i was just thinking if it really would of went down we probably could of got durant out of it

by purrrrrple on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The Thunder + Bynum

Holy shit son, that’d be unstoppable.

"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, Ebanks needs to play

as for the other parts of the team. They also played well. In fact, Kobe weighed down the entire teams percentage greatly owning almost 50% of the misses of the team. Only real bummer of a shooter was matt barnes at 1-5 and Murphy, but Artest was good, Blake broke out of a slump, and others contributed at their roles. Good game by the guys offensively minus that CHUCKER.

TRADE THE CHUCKER 4 NICK YUONG!!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

naw

Young is just another chucker. This is what you do: amnesty Kobe and then sign Mr. Luther Head.

by shawism on Jan 1, 2012 10:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

But Yuong is more efficient as a chucker

We need a chucker on this team. He’s just gotta be efficent. Now, we can get Yuonger AND we can sign Luther Head. IT’S A WIN WIN!!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Yuong a new Chinese player?

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'M TALKING ABOUT NICK YUONG!!!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE!

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew displaying some maturity.
Kobe Bryant shot just 6-for-28 in the Los Angeles Lakers’ 99-90 loss to the Denver Nuggets on Sunday while Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol combined to shoot 15-for-27, but the Lakers big men did not blame Bryant for the disparate amount of touches.

“I put the onus on me on that, being a little tired and not getting down the court,” Bynum said after finishing with 18 points on 7-for-12 shooting to go with 16 rebounds in his second game back from a four-game suspension to start the season. “If I get down the court first I have to get the ball. So, I need to make that happen in order to get the ball.”

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7412991/kobe-byrant-6-28-los-angeles-lakers-loss-denver-nuggets-bynum-takes-blame

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by Ben R on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 PM PST reply actions  

Because it's an article about Kobe's game where Bynum was asked a question.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

nah, he's talking about the spelling

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, okay, just noticed that.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

you need to go to bed like me

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by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, no work tomorrow, I try to stay up as late as possible.

Running sends me to bed earlier than normal three times a week as it is.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, okay.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What would this have solved exactly?

you just piss off your star player more. If this was a rookie doing this I understand. Kobe, however, isn’t an idiot. He isn’t dumb. He knows he had a shitty game. Piling on won’t do anything but alienate him from the team. There’s a reason most coaches keep any problems in house, especially when the problem is with one of the larger players on the team. You don’t need a Westphal situation here.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You know what he says in the press conference

isn’t the same as what they talk about in practice, right?

by LAMojo on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey you know that big white box under those weird captions...if you click there you can do...

…this!

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He's only ever had one other star so I'm not sure about a real "track record of enabling his stars".

Also, we’re 6 games into the season. Give the man the benefit of the doubt.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

No, calling out a player

is the last step in any process of trying to get a response from them. And it doesn’t have to be a PLAYER A SUCKS!!!! calling out. It could just be a “we’ll talk about it” where you name the player specifically. You never call out individual performance negatively in an interview even when they’re this egregrious. You either call out the whole team or just highlight the good performances and speak generally about the bad. the player will know you’re talking about him.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If you’ve been following along, you’d know that Brown has already called Kobe out on at least 2 separate occassions, including in the post-game presser after their meeting with the Bulls.

by mambahunter on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

yep saw that

both he and Pau didn’t say anything. And I don’t think they would or really should in any case. Keep problems in house unlike last year with Bynum’s comments in the playoffs. I’ve never seen a team just rebound from public comments from anyone besides a coach and even then most of the time that doesn’t work lol

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Brown already called Kobe out on his defense

and that improved. Until proven otherwise, he has no problem calling Kobe on things he’s not doing right.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

See Socalgal's comments
He’s only ever had one other star so I’m not sure about a real “track record of enabling his stars”.

Also, we’re 6 games into the season. Give the man the benefit of the doubt.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM PST

by BoneCruncher24 on Jan 1, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Trying to buy more time in LA I see eh Drew?

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

@LakersReporter
Think Kobe was happy w/his 6-for-28 shooting night? He’s currently breaking down the game film w/coaching staff on team plane.

ONWARD!

by jackpot on Jan 1, 2012 10:26 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder how many of those guys does that, especially on the plane?

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm... everyone

film isn’t only for those who did poorly everywhere on the court.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if you win a game by blowing out a team, there are always things to be looked at, by everyone.

Seriously?

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

yea jus ask the miami heat

they’re tryin to figure out how botch led everyone in scoring.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the attitude displayed by people with a lesser work ethic. They don't think they need to work on anything.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

never true

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

this is a non-confrontational way of pointing it out to him

and for the coaching staff to evaluate what he was thinking. This is the exact why you tell a star player he was fucking up

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, they're totally unnecessary.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't wanna sound like a dick,

and I don’t mean this to be confrontational at all. That said, I really hate comments like these. There are so many different things that happen during a course of a game, and you can break down each and every play, whether you touch the ball or not. Especially with a new system, there’s a lot that you can learn from spending a couple hours watching film. I thought Kobe’s biggest flaw today was playing outside of the offense, a better understanding of what he can do to get himself in better positions in the offense, make better plays for others in the offense, and when the Lakers need him to make an isolation play. Basketball is an incredibly complicated game, and even the superstars of the game aren’t above learning more.

I just really think there’s a lot more about what he did wrong today, and every single game because nobody plays a perfect game, that can only help the team in the future.

I guess you could have been being sarcastic, but I didn’t really read it that way. If so, sorry for this post. I’m good at making long winded points at inappropriate times.

by Aethereal on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

unsurprising news is unsurprising

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Win.

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by Ben R on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

"Mike Brown pointed to his mouth n that's why I took that shot right there...and that one..and that one..."

MB: (I gotta stop eating during the games.)

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

If Kobe needs game film to tell him that its not anything the "team" is doing

its not the plays being put into effect…its you dog! its you! Game film shouldn’t tell you that you had an off night. You should tell you. lol@ “game film”

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

You really think Kobe needs game film to tell him he had a bad game?

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly...my question exactly.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a dumb question

he’s obviously not watching game film for that reason.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? Of course he's not looking at film to tell him where he went wrong and what he can do differently, right?

Didn’t see anything that said he was looking at game film to tell him it was the team.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

For whatever reason(s) he is looking at game film

he is wasting his time if he is looking for anything else or answers to the reasons why they lost. It was because of him. Plain and simple. He shouldn’t have to look at film to see that.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe's looking at game film because he's a professional and that's what they do. Anyone who doesn't should do so. Period.

And now you’re just trolling. Plain and simple.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

dang...your comments are now just getting personal. I'm not sure what I've done to you

or maybe because you feel that since your other buddies that you know personally dislike my comments that you want to give your two cents in. The part that I really don’t understand is that this is the 2nd time you’ve done this and made a comment directly at me. There are so many other people making negative comments about Kobe and you picked me out of everyone else to have this personal thing with. You did the same thing on the game thread. The first time around I kept quiet but you are getting personal now. I mean is it because you are a moderator and i’m just a simple ssr member and our opinions don’t match that you have to try to bully me or anyone else whos opinion doesn’t meet yours. I have followed the SSR Rules but I don’t know what I did to you specifically to make you make this personal. If my opinion doesn’t meet your standards just ignore my posts.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is a joke, right? You're the only person I've replied to? Where is this so-called "personal attack"?

I have responded to comments from many people in this thread, not just yours. And this comment is sounding very familiar to me, like something from a couple of years ago, directed at someone else, long before I ever became a moderator.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure it is

You must have forgotten the “Jesus, enough already” comment. I’m the only person you have replied where you have become personal. Not once have you called anyone else a troll. maybe the comment below would sound more familiar.

And I’m done wasting my time with you.

I’m not sure what you are referring to but you sure seem to remember more than I do. If i’m wrong then just look at your replies to my comments specifically in this thread alone. If that is not personal I don’t know what is. I can definitely be more adult about this but really? saying that I’m trolling..c’mon.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

You basically called Bean a troll when its obviously Bean is a laker fan. Disrespectful. yep

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 2:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, I flat out said he was trolling.

Considering he himself said on another thread that he was making controversial statements on purpose, he is fulfilling the definition of trolling.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

wow! I actually also said that its all in good fun

and that I loved Kobe Bryant AND on top of that that I loved the Lakers. What I don’t understand is why no one else has been called a troll and why you are directing those comments at me.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

it seems like any opinions not accepted by you runs the risk of "trolling"

Disagreeing with what he said was more than enough without the trolling comment. A lil overboard imo

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 3:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

There must b a new definition of trolling....

Hes stating his opinion. like it or not it is what it is.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

This

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion, you're making trollish statements.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion you are making this personal

and not once have I made any personal comments towards you. All I have asked is why?

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you are trolling homie

I do think you are wrong. I’d be offended PERSONALLY if anyone on the Lakers following any game (win or lose by any amount of points) would not be looking at game film. That is how you become better. That is being a professional. Kobe is a film addict and always spends extra time watching film, I think it is very common that Kobe watches films on flights home. I remember reading about it years ago, Kobe is always watching film.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely Agree With the Article

This was easily the most stubbornly selfish and inefficient performance I’ve ever seen on the basketball court. Kobe should be ashamed of playing the way he did, with the kind of talent that surrounds him and the basketball mind he possesses.

by surk14 on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

you've. EVER. seen on the basketball court.

yeah, gonna go with no.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, me too.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Since 1999?

I can’t think of a box score or live footage from a NBA game that tops this one.

by surk14 on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, if we're going to restrict to since 1999

there are other games and far more incidents of other selfish actions for an NBA game. However, his 17-47 game is statistically worse if you want to just look at box scores.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats the one

I immediately thought of.

by shawism on Jan 1, 2012 10:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That's the one FB&G mentioned on Twitter.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I started watching NBA only then...

but in the 17-47 game, he made 7 out of 7 free throws, had 9 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals. .. I mean the fact that Kobe put up this kind of performance with Pau and Bynum playing the way they were just makes it even more inexcusable. It’s not like Kobe had Samaki Walker and Devean George starting.

by surk14 on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Either way,

he still shot ten more times and steals are just as much about opportunity as effort, soo… I would think based on box score that is worse

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Based on box score:

In the 17-47 game, Kobe had more points, rebounds, steals. He had higher FG%, higher FT%, fewer turnovers. He had more free throw attempts, which probably means he was driving inside more.

Kobe did take 10 more shots but he was shooting at a higher clip, not to mention he played nearly 10 more minutes in that game.

by surk14 on Jan 1, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

He had 3 more fts

shooting 10 more shots and played 10 more minutes. these are all not pointing to better things

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

6/28 --> 17/47

That’s like Kobe taking the next 19 shots and making 11 of them. Just to put the two stats in comparison.

by surk14 on Jan 1, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

EHonda..that you?

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm looking at you

Little Sammy Deacon….you airballed every single shot you ever took and didn’t know how to dribble. You never passed and cried when noone passed to you.

So yeah I can think of at least one player more selfish then Kobe’s night last night.

::takes tongue out of cheek:::

by Dukeston1 on Jan 2, 2012 5:33 AM PST up reply actions  

1994 NBA Finals Game 7

John Starks 2-18 fga, 0-11 from three. That’s just off the top of my head. There have been plenty of worse and selfish performances, excluding the first week of a season. Definitely a bit blown out of proportion.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He had a terrible game BUT

few of the shots he took were bad shots, they were looks he usually gets. Him getting those shots is part of the offense and suddenly going away from him can’t happen or else we become one-dimensional and the bigs get doubled very fast and we get to watch Ron shoot very long jumpshots.

Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian

by Uncle Leo on Jan 1, 2012 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

Normally, this is where I would agree

but this was to the tune of 28 shots. He didn’t even take 28 shots in game 7 of the finals.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude. This is GaLOL we're talking bout.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, no just 24.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah 28 is big but i honestly don't remember a lot where he tried to do too much

just missed jumpshots off single coverage

Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian

by Uncle Leo on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

against one of the defenders that plays him best, you should add

Afflalo is one of the better defenders in the league and even though he was overpaid, he was paid exactly to do things like this.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

well Afflalo was expending a bunch of energy considering he could only get off 5 shots of his own and only made 2. He’s a better offensive option than that for Denver

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

true to a certain extent. but the last 18 posessions is the most telling.

at this point you realize it isn’t working and look to set up teammates and pull away with the w, especially since they had the lead. for kobe to take 12 of those shots in that situation is inexcusable. he needs to make better decisions there no excuses.

by purrrrrple on Jan 1, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

dang we got quick learners

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

i've been saying this in every thread this isn't a revelation for me all of a sudden

i just didn’t have the exact numbers that clark has provided to illustrate the point better.

by purrrrrple on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

not what i meant but yea lol

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

you've been saying this in every thread....

man, you are consistent… We should trade Koby 4 u. We need that efficiency

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly that is why I'm laughing at the "game film" link or quote above

he doesnt need game film to tell him he had an off night and that he forced the issue.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude, that's not why he's looking at game film.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude

no one knows why. We are ALL just speculating. Just like my comment above is. IF he is looking at it because he missed so many shots he is wasting his time.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And I'm done wasting my time with you.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

meh

No hard feelings. Moving on. Its just sports talk nothing personal. Bu if you personalize it that is not my fault. No worries. Hope i’m off your shit list sooner rather than later. : )

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is about as close as it gets

to singlehandedly costing your team a game.

by shawism on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

SF3?

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

YES

it is I…

by shawism on Jan 1, 2012 10:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I knew it! I guessed it last night.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

picman...

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Jan 1, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, your new name is throwing me off.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm.

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by imposibol on Jan 2, 2012 4:54 AM PST up reply actions  

And also
the Lakers have now sacrificed two games in one week at the altar of Kobe’s greatness.

I knew you were secretly Bill Simmons!

but srsly, what do you mean by this? We had other options we could have used to win the game but we disregarded them just in order to protect Kobe’s rep?

Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian

by Uncle Leo on Jan 1, 2012 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

See recap of Bulls game

he places the blame of endgame execution on Kobe trying to prove a that he is still Kobe Bryant

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not even about him trying to go Jordan, the fact is he is the sole playmaker on the team

when the defense ramps up at the end of games the ball is going to get swung back into his hands 90% of the time anyway. He needs to have the ball in his hands not just to try to protect his rep but for us to be competitive in close games. His decision making hasn’t been great so far but lets not panic yet.

Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian

by Uncle Leo on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd agree with this a lot more,

if he were making plays. Making plays doesn’t involve 10 seconds of holding/dribbling the ball, and forcing a shot. The ball also generally wasn’t swung to him, it was just given to him, or he had the ball from the start of the play.

That said, I’m not panicking at all. Kobe’s Kobe. Best work ethic, and smartest player I’ve ever seen. He’ll bounce back. I’m mad about this game, and I’m mad about the idea of him doing this in closing time more than I’m upset about him having one crap game.

by Aethereal on Jan 1, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe disregarded those options.

I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.

by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

WE CAN STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?!?!?!?!

and with that I’m done trolling. see ya tomorrow guys

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 1, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

NO, THE SEASON IS OVAH!!!!!!!!

Goodnight.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, I'm not leaving, he is.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The key stat here is... 6 games in 8 nights.

This was simply a somewhat typical Kobe game on steroids. Does he make some really bad effing decisions sometimes? Of course, he’s the Bean. But many of those shots he would usually make. Yaddayaddayadda,

wrist + schedule + being 100 + altitude + New Year’s freakin travel back-to-back + looming scoring milestone = nuclear awful.

I still think he has enough to be The Man this season, but this game sure is a foreboding warning of a future somewhere down the road. Cause the Bean ain’t never going to sit back and facilitate.

by jahidi_jones on Jan 1, 2012 11:00 PM PST reply actions  

Come on, man, Kobe isn't 100. Fisher is. Kobe's only 96.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as our defense stays sharp, Kobe's not stupid enough to forget that, when it comes down to it, we'll go as far as Pau/Drew step up their games.

To be sure, today’s game was, at the very least, an ugly wart on a otherwise illustrious face of a career. However, let’s not mistake that wart for herpes.

Slava.
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by hobojarpen on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM PST reply actions  

LOL, nasty analogy, but funny.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 1, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

+/- JAN 1 AT DENVER

Bynum +9
Kapono +7
Fisher +3
_________________
McRoberts -3
Gasol -8
MWP -10
Blake -12
Murphy -12

Bryant -17

by rreducla on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 AM PST reply actions  

another way of saying... again...

Kobe sucked yesterday

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

LYES!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

seriously

probably one of the WORST games i’ve ever seen kobe play

Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"

by hrghori on Jan 2, 2012 1:00 AM PST reply actions  

I still don't think Dallas will be this bad, but anyone getting slightly perturbed that Mitch didn't get an unprotected pick?

They won’t be lottery bad, but they sure as hell don’t look like a top ten team this year either.

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To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2012 1:00 AM PST reply actions  

still in wait and see mode with dallas.

it being protected means we get a 2013 pick if they end up picking 1-20 this year?

by bypasser on Jan 2, 2012 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope, top 20 protected until 2016.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya that was one of the parts of that trade I understood the least (aside from trading sixth-man-or-the-year Lamar Odom for a thus-far unused trade exception and a less than valuable draft pick)

Top ten protected is reasonable, even lottery (top 14) makes sense, but top 20 protected all the way through 2016… That’s too much, in my opinion (not that it will probably end up mattering).

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 2, 2012 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

*of-the-year

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 2, 2012 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

we havent won a game this year

Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"

by hrghori on Jan 2, 2012 1:02 AM PST reply actions  

I have the solution: PANIC!.. trade everyone (twice)

Lakers dump: Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Barnes, and Fisher
Lakers get: Dwight, Deron, Scola, Kevin Martin, and Hedo

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by deadmuse on Jan 2, 2012 1:33 AM PST reply actions  

It's a great challenge.

Trade Kobe and get enough of a return to make it somewhat worthwhile but don’t gut the team he’s going to enough so he won’t veto the trade. That’s a really hard scenario to make, even for dedicated trade machine whizzes, lol.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

TRADE HIM TO THE MAVS IN A 4 TEAM TRADE

WITH ORLANDO AND SACRAMENTO!!!!

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think the story of the game was simple

Kobe’s hand having a bad day (seriously, some of those good looks… just way right or waaay short). And an offensive set that for some reason, featured the least tentative big men of the Lakers, on the weak side, or the opposite side of the primary ball handler, during crunch time.

If it will comfort you guys, Kobe had a 15-45 shooting stretch before 2005, some time before the 81 point explosion.

I do think more than anything, it’s his hand though. His getting good elevation on shots.

by Ico24 on Jan 2, 2012 3:19 AM PST reply actions  

The problem with the "those were good looks" argument is that none of them are good looks

They are shots Kobe usually converts at a much higher rate than he did today, but none of them are the types of shots that coaches actively look for in a game. They are good shots FOR KOBE, not good shots. Kobe can get a good FOR KOBE shot on just about every possession, which is exactly what happened in the fourth quarter.

Too many shots isn’t the issue. Missing a bunch of shots isn’t the issue. Taking bad shots isn’t the issue. Put them all together, while the rest of the team was playing really well, that’s the issue.

by C.A. Clark on Jan 2, 2012 7:54 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice recap, of the recap

Without another ball-handler, Kobe must allow the others an opportunity to win games. Just as Cap allowed Magic to become the alpha-dog, it was still Cap’s team. Bynum’s time is now or never.

by SkyHooker on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, if the problem is shots he normally takes

then we’re going to be writing a heckuva lot of articles about shots he normally takes

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You're saying none of the shots he took, out of 28, was a good look, for anyone?

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

None is a silly word in this context

OF course some of Kobe’s shots were good shots for anyone to take, but many of the shots he took were not “good” looks, they were good looks for Kobe. The point is that “good” looks for Kobe does not equate to an excuse to take 28 shots when its clear your shot isn’t falling.

by C.A. Clark on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes, there's nobody that can stop Kobe from scoring...and it's a beautiful thing

But sometimes nobody can stop him from shooting the ball….and it’s a horrible thing.

What worries me is that I don’t know if Kobe’s ego will let him defer to Drew, the kid was doing whatever he wanted down low but Kobe didn’t used him down the stretch.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 3:34 AM PST reply actions  

There a handful of games that Kobe hasn't stopped shooting in

and of those, most have reasoning behind them as CA said. Kobe doesn’t have to defer about anything to Bynum. Directing him more touches isn’t deferring to him. Running the offense through the bigs isn’t deferring, it’s running the offense. The idea that this game is an indication that Kobe is throwing up 25+ shots/game out of ego really needs to stop.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't have an opinion ??? Or have an honest question ???

Are you inside Kobe’s mind to speak with such authority or arrogance. If you are struggling with your shot but you keep doing it even when somebody has the hot hand or dominating his matchup….and you can’t recognize it….that’s ego my friend. Marty I respect you post and your knowledge of the game, but don’t attack me for having an opinion or better yet for asking myself something. If Kobe wants to get himself out of a shooting slump, he can’t do it in the middle of the game like he did last night.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Attaking is too strong of a word, but you get my point.

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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude, chill, he's not attacking you or saying you can't have an opinion. He's speaking generally.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I replied to myself

What I meant is the wording of “this needs to stop” is a little bit arrogant. This is a blog, and we are not going to have the same opinions, but to tell me to stop because I don’t fit in his line of thinking threw me off a little.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Again, he was speaking generally, not to you personally. And he still didn't say you're not entitled to your opinion.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, when else do you get yourself out of a shooting slump if not during a game?

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Practice ??? I know that you have to shoot yourself out of a slump

But don’t…let’s say over-shoot it, specially in crunch time.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't shoot yourself out of a slump in practice.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you really can't

you can look at it from different angles during practice, but the in-game mechanizations still change things more often than not. It’s just one of those things that have to be worked out in game.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Can we agee that it was a bad time too keep shooting when he clearly did not have it going

I honestly believe that you can get out of a shooting slump in practice…that’s why the shoot 500+ shots, but that’s me.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I mean,

Dorell Wright and Anthony Morrow shoot 500+ shots all offseason and in practice.They’re both still in slumps

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't shoot yourself out of a slump in practice.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Because you say so ??

Ok, he is not going to get out of the slump in practice, but maybe it’s the wrist that’s bothering him ? If that is the case you readjust your shooting motion in practice, fair enough?

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I mean

last year we had Shannon Brown and Steve Blake in months-long slumps. Practice doesn’t seem to help slumps at all, especially in the NBA cuz there is no time really to practice in a normal way

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I get you...

but it would take a couple of games for Steve Blake to shoot 28 times though. What really bothers me is that we did not need for kobe to score last night, we needed his smarts, this is not Ben Gordon we are talking about here…..Kobe can beat you without having the need to score in bunches.

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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, really?
Because you say so ??

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, where is it written that practicing will not help with your shot.

You say with such conviction that i feel the need to ask.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

And as I said above

If it’s the wrist that’s making him strugle, then he needs to go to the gym and reconfigure his shot if he wants to continue to play through injury.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, Kobe needs to go to the gym and reconfigure his shot.

’Cuz he never does that.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I know that he is a gym rat.

My point is that we didn’t need him scoring last night…… ahhh, fuck it !!!

When in Rome….

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, you made your point, J.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say practicing won't help you with your shot.

I said you don’t shoot yourself out of a slump in practice. There’s a big difference between those two things.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I was more responding to word choice

and the last part was more about everyone not you. It seems there is this seed that everyone’s worst nightmare is that Kobe this year is going to greenlight and shoot 25+ times a game and never pass the ball and play horrid defense all year and despite a 4 game stretch proving otherwise, this is the game that proves that they’re right that this season is going to be all about Kobe proving he’s still Kobe.

And the idea that you can shoot yourself out of a slump is ego. I never said it wasn’t. I just don’t think kobe is shooting 25+ times in multiple games this year just to prove a point to Bynum or opposing defenders. I think that’s the nature of anyone who shoots multiple times a game and is shooting shots he can make. Sometimes, it goes overboard trying to hit what is normally routine. Such as when Ray Allen has an off shooting game. he’s not going to pass up the chance to shoot himself out of the slump, but there’s clearly a difference in roles here. I’m just providing an example

as for the deferring thing. to defer to someone would mean that you ask them to takeover. Sorry, If I do not believe that Kobe’s ego has stopped him from deferring to bynum when he’s having a good game. The whole team didn’t pass to Bynum a lot of the first 3 quarters of the game otherwise he should’ve had more shots before the deciding quarter even came. This isn’t to say Kobe didn’t shoot too much. I think I’ve made it clear I think he did. I just don’t think looking into this game as the crystal ball of the year is necessary. In this shortened season, I don’t think any snap judgments should really be made because of the multitude of factors with travel and the amount of games being played.

Lastly, it actually happens fairly often that guys who normally take the shots will take their normal amount of shots or more to get in rhythm during a game before they’ll keep feeding the guy whose having a really hot night. Difference is that normally guys get the mojo back at some point. The chucker failed in both regards to recognize the shot wasn’t coming back and that he had better options at any point. There’s no doubt about it.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand that there's a negative cloud hanging here for the last couple of days regarding Kobe's game

But I’m not one of them…believe me. Thanks for replying Marty.

"El Hombre es esclavo de lo que dice y Amo de lo que calla"

by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea, no problem

J4F. We have no problems here. just a bit of a miscommunication

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that your original reply

was more of a frustration reply because all of the negativity and the new found hyper scrutiny regarding Kobe’s game….it’s all good, somos fans de los Lagueros…nada mas que respeto y cariño.

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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Estoy de acuerdo, senor. (idk how to do accent marks on PCs)

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Señor

alt+164

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

well it was a kobe milestone game..

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by imposibol on Jan 2, 2012 4:52 AM PST reply actions  

Why did Fish come out of the game?

Kobe had a lot of good shots that didn’t go in. And a lot of bad shots that didn’t go in. If I hadn’t erased the DVR in disgust maybe I could go in and count ‘em up. Brown took Fisher out in crunch time, and on the next possession Blake got the ball to Bynum. Was the message that Fish needed to get the ball to the bigs rather than Kobe in this game? I’m sure Fish has loyalty to his protector, but like everyone else on the board, the way to beat Denver was with the ball in the hands of the bigs. Interesting that Bynum stood up for Kobe. If this stuff goes on for a few more games I’m worried that Bynum will decide to make it his team. Didn’t we have a situation like that with that Shaq guy and Kobe a while back?

by celticandlakerfanreally on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Fisher is the one guy who won't give Kobe the ball everytime he asks for it. And Kobe's not his protector.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

And neither will Blake!

Kobe’s stated pretty forcefully he wants Fish with him. And with Fish in the game, the ball wasn’t getting to the bigs, but it was getting to Kobe. Blake came in, and the ball immediately went to #17. I don’t have all the answers, but that instantly raised a question in my mind. Maybe there’s another explanation, but I just watched the Jason Bourne movie on CBS so I’m looking for a conspiracy….

by celticandlakerfanreally on Jan 2, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

oh man, the foreboding nature of one game as opposed to a collective group of 6

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Part of the problem is Kobe shooting 28 times in a winnable game

Another part is him doin that when the 2 bigs were playing pretty damn good.
The final part is the previous game vs Denver where he almost had a triple dub. Seeing how he played that game and was so effective makes this past game even more frustrating to watch. Why would he not come out with the same mindset? Imo thas where people get the idea he’s trying to prove a point that he’s still the man. The previous games dnt factor into it. Bynum wasn’t playing and Pau defers to Kobe so there was no point to b made. Drew is a different beast and the situation is eerily similar to young Kobe vs veteran Shaq. im not saying this is whats happening but it does bear watching

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 11:21 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

It doesn't bear to be brought up EVERY time Kobe has a bad game

in the FIRST 6 games of the season. And Bynum isn’t really a different beast, he’s just a similar black hole on offense at times. Pau defers to the offense, not to Kobe. Unfortunately, others defer to Kobe. Pau’s problem isn’t that he aggressively keeps the ball away from Kobe, but that he cedes the ball to the offense for the smart play, but it ends up back with Kobe. There is nothing to get out of one game of anything.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I think people are over-reacting to one game also

Having said that I do think this is the first game that gave people an inkling that Kobe might never give up the reins and let someone who’s more efficient than him be the #1 guy on offense.

I think Kobe smarter then that but I don’t think it’s impossible that Kobe ends up being the guy that blows this team up with his selfishness.

by Archon on Jan 2, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wrong. Chris wrote about Kobe not giving up the reins after the Christmas Day game.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see that

Anyways I think Kobe has played really well up until this game and I’m still not quite sure who Bynum is yet but if he is a 25-13 guy thats taking high percentage shots then he has to be the #1 option or at least 1A

by Archon on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

This team isn't blowing up anytime soon. Everyone is under contract

and they’re not going anywhere if management has anything to say about it. And if selfishness is defined by strugglng to shoot and continuing to do so, then Ray Allen would’ve blown up the Celtics after his 2010 Finals performance

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by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell, Gallinari shot himself out of his 2-game slump yesterday, and it wasn't in practice.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

shot bad*

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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, people have been writing about Kobe not ceding the reigns of the team since pau arrived

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
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by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm surprised by the people saying Bynum passes the ball. He doesn't. Once he gets it, he holds onto it.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

small sample size be damned, just throw it in to Shaq and let him work all game.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

Bynum is a triple double waiting to happen

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if serious.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

definitely not lol

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, was hoping not.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see why considering he doesnt touch it that often

You go with whats working until they stop it. Simple basketball. :

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Drew touches the ball far more often than we're making it seem right now

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Right? You would think he doesn't know what it looks or feels like from the talk here.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

well take the last 2 games compare numbers and see who is being more efficient

That person should get more touches/fg attempts or whatever

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Touches DO NOT equal fg attempts in many cases.

Bynum also had TOs and FTs to go with his shot attempts just like Kobe in both games. He’s touching the ball on far more possessions than we’re talking about based on his shot attempts. Just like Dwight touches the ball far more than 13 times a game, but only gets to shoot his shots about 13 times a game

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Durant agrees with you.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Theres different levels of having a "bad game"

6-28 is a horrible game and even moreso because he wasnt needed in that volume shooting capacity. You say 6 games is a small sample size and it would b had we not seen this before. This is an old argument regarding kobe. The only problem ive had with kobe prior to last nights game were the end of game iso’s that havent worked. Kobe deserves all the criticism hes getting. For a player with as high of a basketball iq as kobe he played a brain dead game. Hopefully its out of his system and we can keep it moving

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 12:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Kobe deserves criticism for his game

this last game which was maybe the worst game he’s played not only all season but maybe of his 15 year career to this point. you’ve got to be kidding me, that This game, THIS game is the same old argument. Rarely has kobe played THIS bad

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol volume shooting has been an old issue with Kobe

like i said before. i hope its out of his system and we see more of the Kobe we saw in the 1st Denver game. Which imo is the more effective Kobe.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 12:50 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Volume shooting clearly

wasn’t the sole problem with Kobe here and if that’s your only problem then you’re being far too simplistic in your analysis

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

It was the biggest problem

along with his man leaking out and him not getting back, turnovers etc etc. Again the only issue ive had with his play til last night were the end game iso’s.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 1:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Fact is, if Kobe goes 10-28, we win!

He just shot it very poorly, and then he started to get frustrated, and what usually happens when Kobe gets frustrated is a lot of bad shots. It’s just how he is…

by x Nightwing x on Jan 2, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

SMH

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Milestone game...

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by LakerAce on Jan 2, 2012 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

I dont think that matters Being that he only needed 4 points

28 shots on 95 possessions. Ridiculous

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 11:23 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Again.

I ain’t even mad.

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by LakerAce on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Chalking this up to Kobe's ego

moving on.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

lol ridiculous

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

28,000 points, 28 shots lol

Justl think he wanted to take a shot forl each thousand points as part of the celebration.

by celticandlakerfanreally on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

again... ridiculous

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

defending 6-28....ridiculous

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 12:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

No one is defending 6-28!

I’ve never once said last night wasn’t a horrid game. Kobe made all the chucking that Nick young did last year look like a sparkling resume of shooting. However, taking this abberration of Kobe’s career as the indictment of Kobe’s altogether play is ridiculous and to project it out as Kobe is just too egotistical to stop shooting and is going to cost us the season is ridiculous.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

This.

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by LakerAce on Jan 2, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

IF he were to continue it then it would wreck the season and team chemistry

I dont think he will but anytime he has a game like this memories of old will resurface. it is what it is. i jus hope he doesnt play the i just wont shoot at all card like he’s done in the past

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 12:55 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

AGAIN

this is like a top 10 worst game of Kobe’s CAREER. And we’re looking at this as if it could possibly be the norm when it never has been except when called for. So, again, I ask, what are these memories of old?

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

ok

4-21 vs Milwaukee
5-20 vs Houston
4-19 vs Orlando
7-24 vs utah
6-19 vs Dallas
6-19 vs okc
2-12 vs Charlotte
This is jus from last year do i need to go back further?

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 1:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

whoops that was 09-10

8-27 vs Spurs
8-24 vs cavs
8-22 vs okc
6-18 vs utah
just a few from last year. i can go back further if need bel

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 1:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Kobe should just shoot nothing once he's reach 10 shots and made less than half?

got it. I’ll keep it in mind whenever we talk about Kobe’s shooting in the future.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He shouldnt force any.

If he’s having an off night use more discretion in picking his spots n shots. Not contested jumpers n 3’s. His shot selection didn’t help his cause

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 8:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

LOL, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Dude can't win with you.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I know right?

; )

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

not when he plays like he did last night

Im all for whas best for the TEAM. 28 shots doesnt fit the bill in a winnable game where your 2 bigs are playing well.

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 2:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

The negative talk about Kobe is just in regards to Kobe's performance last night only

and the other 2 games he cost the Lakers. One has to wonder though, is it his competitiveness or his ego?

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The negative talk is about the entire season that hasn't happened yet. Read all of the comments.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well whoever is saying or talking like the season is over

or that a couple of bad games by Kobe means he is done or that the Lakers are done just don’t know what they are talking about. Plain and simple.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That is the sentiment

pretty much being expressed. His ego is just too much for the team and they’ll have to all call him out for him to ever change. Man, if only we could’ve traded for Durant 5 years ago

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Im seeing this one game being attacked

With the hope he doesnt continue it. i think its a valid worry for some people. i hope he got it out of his system and moves on

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 2:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Everybody take a chill pill.....there's enough animosity to lakers fan outside of this blog

Let’s keep it friendly

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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Twisting what everyone says...ridiculous.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

calling an obvious laker fan a troll.....ridiculous

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

I don't recall the rules saying only fans of other teams can be trolls.

Probably because it’s not true.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering non laker fans are normally the ones that get that label...

Ive not seen a laker fan called a troll on this site till today sooo

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Fans have been banned from the site before

for getting that label

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

lol..

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

lakers will be fine :) kobe is too much of a competitor to take losing.

kobe knows lakers lost cuz of him (hint: he left without talking to reporters). so lakers will come out fine. dont worry too much.
not sure why one kobe’s bad performance = lost season??? just one game.

by JStheBear on Jan 2, 2012 1:41 PM PST reply actions  

Kobe played AWFUL.

But wtf? He was phenomenal the first 5 games. Active defensively and efficient offensively. Anomaly. Move on.

(also, the Bulls game is a poor example because he actually made big plays to keep us in the game).

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

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"Pshh, 'Show Me.' (smirking) Yeah, I've heard that."

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by TrojanRam on Jan 2, 2012 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

Word.

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by SoCalGal on Jan 2, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

besides the end game iso's ive been happy with Kobes play prior to last night

And im sure everyone else was too which is why all this venom is being directed at him. Lakers play tomorrow and with a good game all will b forgiven

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by EmmCeee on Jan 2, 2012 3:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

hopefully

He starts the game off so good but I don’t know what happens their at the end. When they win the championship and we are enjoying the next DVD all of this will be forgotten.

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He will

although it was only four games, the team was starting to gel without Bynum, now Kobe has to make a big adjustment, as he wont get as many looks in the post.
Something else was up with Kobe yesterday but i have no doubt he’ll put the team on his shoulders, two top 10-15 Talent players in the middle, he’s gonna find a way to get them the ball and get himself involved. when they Gel i can see 20/20/20 games from our Big 3 add the defensive mentality they added its gonna be a whole new ball game for the rest of the league,
we just gotta keep reminded ourselves New System, new players, at least 10-15 to get themselves established. if after this we still see them struggling then maybe ill start to worry.

by LakeredXII on Jan 2, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points

agree 100%

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by Jelly Bean on Jan 2, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

oh and the Barnes move… hear me out, the second squad was solid with Barnes and MWP, and we had a Pretty decent matchup, and Ebanks Defense not to mention is good shooting/cutting, i really do hope we see him and maybe a Morris sighting, for now i already like the changes we’ve seen from Mike Brown’s coaching. all we can do now is play the waiting game.

by LakeredXII on Jan 2, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for capturing a lot of our inner angst C A

This team doesn’t need 2005 flashbacks. In fact as the season goes on, there will be fewer opportunities for Kobe to have to “save” us. What this Lakers team needs is Kobe as passionate leader not do or die savior.

"I want to get out there, dominate in the low block," Bynum said."That's what I'm here for."
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by Zen and Tonic on Jan 2, 2012 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

Oh hey,

gallo just made another lay-up

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 2, 2012 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

Ctrl+F "LOL,"

Apart from the above, (mind the comma) I’m pretty sure Kobe will go back to hitting his shots at some point in the very, very near future. He’s like that. Of course he has some bad games, they all do.

It’s one of the reasons us Celtic fans hate the bugger.

Don’t fret, he’ll be his regular self again soon… unfortunately :p

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by Kiorrik on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

don't count on it

his ego won’t let him make shots. he’s only going to keep shooting himself into oblivion

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Been a while since a recap got this many comments.

and all Kobe had to do was shoot and miss a couple hundred times.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

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