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2012 Olympics: Who Goes to London?

With likely the last source of real professional basketball for a while ending with Spain's victory at the Eurobasket -- barring a resolution of the lockout in the next week or so -- the stage has been set for the 2012 Olympics in London, where the members of the 2008 "Redeem Team" will seek to defend the gold medal they won in Beijing. Obviously, Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol will suit up for Team USA and Spain respectively, but past these two, do any of the current Lakers have a shot at joining the festivities in London? As Sasha Vujacic, Sun Yue, and DJ Mbenga are no longer with the team, the Lakers have a dearth of foreign players outside of Gasol, so any further Laker representation in the Olympics will be with Team USA or via a bizarre Chris Kaman-esque episode of a nominally U.S.-based Laker getting a foreign passport. Thankfully, Chris Sheridan, the former ESPN writer who has done a good deal of work on international play and now operates his own site at Sheridan Hoops, has given a breakdown on the players that, according to his sources, will definitely be present in London and those on the shortlist. After the jump, we will run through Sheridan's story, how the players on the shortlist would fit in international play, and which Lakers might be tagging along as well.

Star-divide

Sheridan greatly simplifies our analysis here by stating that eight members of the original 2008 team are all but guaranteed to participate next summer: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard. Most of these are absolute no-brainer choices, as the best available at their respective positions, and even the now-hilarious-in-hindsight presence of Miami third wheel Chris Bosh becomes obvious when you consider how well his game is suited for the international game. Joining these eight will be Kevin Durant, the 2010 World Championships MVP whose inclusion also requires no explanation, and Blake Griffin, whom Sheridan claims is a definite inclusion should he be interested. Before we get into the remaining two choices, let's list the definite selections thus far:

PG Chris Paul Deron Williams
SG Kobe Bryant Dwyane Wade
SF LeBron James Kevin Durant Carmelo Anthony
PF Chris Bosh Blake Griffin
C Dwight Howard

Looking at the above, the intuitively obvious choice would be to bolster the frontcourt, although the U.S. team has not followed that logic in past instances. For one, a lack of quality opposing frontcourt players makes it much easier for the U.S. to field smaller lineups -- the Beijing team trotted out a Paul/Williams/Kobe/LeBron/Bosh lineup fairly often, with every player save Paul playing at a position above their weight grade -- and even if there were some bigger players, they often lacked the mobility to deal with the sheer speed of Team USA's small lineups. Moreover, this fits with the nature of the international game, in which the preponderance of zones and other defenses that are disallowed in the NBA limit the effectiveness of straight-up post play and isolation. This puts an emphasis on spacing, cutting, and a lot of pick-and-roll, which is one of the reasons Mike Krzyzewski, the head coach, uses a fairly simplistic and straightforward offense. As such, a premium is placed on zone busters, which is the primary reason Michael Redd was on the team in 2010 and why several shooting specialists are also being considered for the 2010 team.

The point that Sheridan introduces which bucks this analysis has everything to do with the frontcourt of Spain, which looks impressive even by NBA standards. In addition to Pau, they have his brother Marc Gasol, the Thunder's Serge Ibaka, who became a naturalized Spanish citizen to play for their national team, and Nikola Mirotic, a recent draftee of the Bulls who slaughtered the competition at the 2010 FIBA Europe Under-20 Championship by averaging 27 points a game and would have been a lottery pick if he had been able to get out of his contract with Real Madrid anytime before 2014. After dealing with the overpaid disaster also known as Carlos Boozer, Bulls fans are already looking forward to his future arrival. In any case, what this means for Team USA is that they can't afford to skimp on size and pray that another team gets an upset against Spain, easily the second best team in the world after Team USA and a favorite to make it back to the gold medal game. Making Durant or LeBron guard Pau, who is a force in international play, isn't a good solution, and FIBA's five foul limit is another factor that has to be accounted for.

As such, the first choice for the eleventh spot on the team almost definitely has to be a big, and Sheridan immediately throws out Kevin Love and Lamar Odom as the principal candidates for that spot. From the time he came into the NBA, many pundits thought Love's game was well-suited for the international game, as a big who could shoot from outside, distribute from the high post, and act as an excellent pick-and-pop player. Odom has many of those same strengths along with a solid handle, ability to distribute the rock off the dribble, and the versatility to play and defend multiple positions. That last point is particularly important in the international game, as with Team USA going small often as a matter of course, being pigeonholed into any position limits a player's overall utility.

What hurts Odom, however, is that there are no shortage of ball-handlers and distributors with this squad, as practically every guard on the team plus LeBron can pass the rock and run the offense, so that plays down his principal strength. Add on the fact that he's not as adept as Love from the perimeter nor as formidable on the boards and it's hard to justify not choosing Love here, even considering Love's poor defense. It's also not out of the question that Love makes another step next year in his fourth season, as he's only 23 while Odom almost certainly will fall from the highs he set with his Sixth Man of the Year campaign last year.

With that settled, we're faced with the choice for the last spot, which Sheridan presents as a choice between another big, a shooting specialist, and another point guard. Of the three, the last makes the least sense considering the number of ball-handlers noted above, as well as the fact that the two principal choices, Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose, aren't particularly well-suited for the international game. Both operate principally in isolation and drawing free throws on aggressive drives to the rim, neither of which are all that effective in the international game due to the numerous zones and tendency of the referees to call less fouls in those situations respectively. Moreover, neither are good shooters and while their traditional point guard skills are certainly improving, they don't come near the level Paul, Williams, and LeBron are at right now. Those same players require them to also play off the ball, which is less of a problem for Westbrook and more for Rose, compounding the spacing problems they already introduce. There really isn't a pressing need for a player with their skill set, especially compared with the other two options unless they're good enough to beat either Paul or Williams for their spots, which is highly doubtful.

For the second option, Sheridan writes that the two favorites are Eric Gordon and Stephen Curry, both of whom played on the 2010 team. For the specific role they would be entrusted with -- a situational shooter for out-of-bounds plays and similar situations -- it's hard to go wrong with either of them; Curry is the better shooter by a hair and has good point guard chops while Gordon has a more versatile offensive game and is largely a better defender. If pressed, Gordon would be my choice, but both would provide practically the same thing to the team. How useful this would be is an open question, however. Michael Redd played infrequently in Beijing, as there wasn't a whole lot of court time for him in a crowded backcourt that also had Jason Kidd, and Paul and Williams are good enough shooters that an additional one isn't absolutely necessary, especially if Love is on the team.

With that noted, we come to the first choice, the notion the Lakers pretty much ignored last season, which is that you can pretty much never not have enough frontcourt depth. Along with Odom, Sheridan offers Tyson Chandler, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Kendrick Perkins. If you're wondering how Perkins made that list and Andrew Bynum didn't, it's primarily because Team USA tends to reward players who build a commitment to the team by participating in the summer selection camps, and due to his injuries, Bynum hasn't had much of an opportunity to do so. To his credit, he had an invite to the camp for the 2010 World Championships, but declined since he wanted to recuperate during the summer. As Dave McMenamin aptly noted in a 2010 article, Bynum will only be 28 by the time the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janiero roll around, and should he build on the solid post-ASG campaign he had last year, he definitely should be the mix for the 2014 World Championships as well barring more injuries. Whether he is still in a Lakers jersey by then is a fair question, notably if the player that likely will still be ahead of him in the depth chart is wearing the purple and gold, but that's a question for another time.

As for the choices available, Aldridge is by far the best overall player of the bunch, as he was a bona fide All-Star last year and asserted himself as Portland's franchise cornerstone with Brandon Roy now a shadow of himself due to knee injuries. He also notably shed much of his "soft" label by becoming a better defensive player, notably against the pick-and-roll, and he saw a good deal of time playing as an undersized center last year due to Portland's never-ending spree of career-threatening injuries, both of which should endear him to the Team USA brass.

Chandler is the best defensive player of the four, and indeed, after his masterful defensive performance in the playoffs, in which he covered huge swaths of the court and regularly shut down penetration from the likes of Wade and LeBron, there is a fair argument that he is the best non-Howard defensive big in the game. Perhaps some of that was due to Rick Carlisle, who made a strong case that he's the league's best coach not named Gregg Popovich with Phil now gone, but there's no discounting how effective he can be at that end, particularly since guarding the perimeter will be a valuable skill in international play. He also has remedied his offensive limitations by adding a somewhat reliable jumper, and if that fails, he will have his old pick-and-roll compatriot in Paul to throw the alley-oop passes that made the two such an effective combination in New Orleans.

All of Chandler's strengths, however, are fairly glaring reasons for why Perkins looks like the worst choice of the four. Aided by the presence of Garnett in Boston and to a lesser extent, Ibaka in OKC, Perkins largely only had to concentrate on post defense and some basic help defense, which doesn't help him against the bigs who will take him out to the perimeter in the international game. Moreover, he's very limited on offense when not close to the rim outside of his admittedly solid screen setting. Of these four, Aldridge would likely be my first choice given that he fits best with Team USA's tendency to go small, and he can stretch the floor from the center position.

Luckily for Odom, Coach K has liked to reserve a spot on the team for an older player who can act as a team leader and a glue guy, and while not as old as Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups, the previous two such players, Sheridan notes that he could fulfill a similar role on the 2012 team. As a utility player holding the last spot on the bench, Odom is also an attractive option for being able to play all five positions in the international game, allowing him to fulfill the roles of a third point guard and fifth big simultaneously. The selection committee, namely Jerry Colangelo, would also likely take into account Odom's years of service, as he was part of the dysfunctional 2004 team that took home the bronze in Athens, as well as being part of last year's championship team. For all practical purposes, the twelfth spot is somewhat inconsequential barring a spell of massive foul trouble in a game, and Odom, for whom this would almost certainly be his last hurrah with the national team, has accumulated quite a few brownie points in Team USA's selection process. Regardless, whomever ends up on the team, the U.S. will go into the 2012 London Olympics as the likely favorites to win the gold, and the principal members of the Lakers will be well-represented should the U.S. and Spain find themselves pitted against each other in a rematch of 2008.

Poll
Who should take the twelfth spot on the Olympic team?
Lamar Odom
356 votes
LaMarcus Aldridge
81 votes
Tyson Chandler
53 votes
Kendrick Perkins
8 votes
Eric Gordon
27 votes
Stephen Curry
37 votes
Derrick Rose
199 votes
Russell Westbrook
21 votes

782 votes | Poll has closed

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already read! Too late

Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 26, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

:)

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Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 27, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss basketball.

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Me too

WNBA playoffs are actually interesting though, watch them some.

Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

NEVER!!!!!!

I might actually watch it if there is no NBA season at all. Maybe even…..soccer.

by AV. on Sep 28, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can now watch some basketall here.

The German season is about to start. No lockout here.

More rings, please!

by MUCGal on Sep 27, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Yo, don't be braggin'.

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally

My vote would go to LO or Perkins as far as who should take the last spot. Im only thinking in terms of who would help the team more, length in the nba and championship. So, I guess that would qualify Chandler also.

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by Jelly Bean on Sep 27, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

you wouldn’t trade LO for LA or D Rose?

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by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the Lakers?

Totally. For the USA team? Maybe LA.

by Aethereal on Sep 27, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, no one has voted for Perkins in the poll.

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

hmm, can we add Shaq to that list? lol

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by lakerdynasty on Sep 27, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant the B-Shaw and Rick Fox list...

not the “always a Celtic” list.

Just clarifying.

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by lakerdynasty on Sep 27, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know what you meant.

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 27, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ignoring LO's previous contributions to team U.S.A., LaMarcus Aldridge is the obvious choice, IMO.

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by LakerAce on Sep 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

So would D-Wade play reserve to Kobe? That would be awesome!

But I wouldn’t like it the other way around.

Also, Lamar should get the last spot if just for being on the winning team last time. Honestly though, I think he would get schooled by Gasol. But maybe years of practicing against him gives him an edge?

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by lakerdynasty on Sep 27, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL, sure he will.

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt like a lot of those times, both of them were on the court at the same time.

And if i can remember correctly, it was wade and kobe who made the most impact on each game.

i also think kobe would come off the bench for wade. sad but true

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by lakerdynasty on Sep 27, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Reply fail

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by lakerdynasty on Sep 27, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blah,

I feel like Melo and Griffin, who I love, aren’t suited for this team. I’m having trouble picking between LA, Gordon, and Chandler. I actually loved what Redd did, within his role. I feel like this team’s lack of an off-the-ball shooter is a problem. KD and to a lesser extent Kobe are the only ones who are really adept at it. i also feel like this team, if balanced, will NEVER have a problem with offense, so I’d put a little more emphasis on role players on offense who are better defensively than the offensively superior counterparts. (Gordon>Curry, Odom>Love, Chandler being a tossup with LA imo) Being able to create 25~ a game for yourself is awesome for a franchise, and not as awesome when you play next to Kobe, Wade, LeBron, Durant, Bosh, CP3, D-Will, etc.

TL;DR: Needs moar LA, Chandler, or Gordon, less 1 on 1 guys.

by Aethereal on Sep 27, 2011 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

TL;DR

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by SoCalGal on Sep 27, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Melo

is an off the ball shooter and a better shooter out of the post than KD

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by Marty Mart on Oct 1, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

who the hell voted for perkins?

damn internets.

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by _logan_ on Sep 27, 2011 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

is that any crazier then LO beating LMA by 5 to 1…but i agree who the hell would vote for perkins.

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by 2NASHTY on Sep 27, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, not at all

Lamar Odom and LMA are atleast arguable. LMA cannot run the floor like Lamar, LMA cannot shoot the three like Lamar, LMA does not have the championship leadership pedigree Lamar does. He does have other things Lamar doesn’t, therefore they are arguable.

Perkins doesn’t do shit.

by Jevon O on Sep 28, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't get me wrong

I’m not saying Odem doesn’t bring a lot to the table. but LMA looked fantastic last season he nearly took down dallas by himself in the play offs, IMO. Perk on the other hand was really good at looking really mad.

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by 2NASHTY on Sep 28, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Odom :)

but yeah there’s a difference in style, and the team already has a lot of dominant scorers. Players who do the intangibles are needed.

Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 28, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll bet Bedge would beg to differ

lets put it this way, as a suns fan, if the Lakers pulled off a LMA trade for Odem, I’d be pissed.,

BTW I’d take Amar’e over Bosh all day. not only for his obvious skills, but he can play center if they go small ball.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Sep 28, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably should have mentioned it in the article

But Sheridan notes that the Knicks probably won’t let Stoudemire near the international team because of the injury risk and he probably would have serious problems finding someone to insure him abroad.

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by Ben R on Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lamar's game is amazing

and even better in the foreign rules. He’s better than LMA for the Olympics and helps to spread the court, while being able to take slower foreign bigs off the dribble.

I’d pick Lamar over him any day of the week.

Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 28, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

team USA would be good either way

but we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the LMA Vs LO question.

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by 2NASHTY on Sep 28, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Aldridge is better than Odom from range, and Odom’s advantage of actually being able to handle the ball isn’t really an advantage since he won’t have the ball most of the time with the makeup of this roster. Both are good off the ball, but Aldridge was particularly good receiving the ball on cuts last year. Maybe you can say that Odom is somewhat better than Aldridge defensively, but it’s not by much and Aldridge can guard bigger centers than Odom.

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by Ben R on Sep 28, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression...

that Rose was a lock for the Olympics in 2012, but I would assume Sheridan knows more than me.

As for the best choice for the 12th spot, I think it really just depends on what they’re looking for. There’s 3 very good big man choices in Lamar, Tyson, and LaMarcus, who are all well-qualified and deserving of consideration. I would say Love is much less experienced and not good enough defensively, and as Ben pointed out, Perkins would have a hard time staying with guys who could take him out of the paint.

Chandler might be the best fit just for his size and defensive impact, but both Odom and Aldridge have their own strengths as well.

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by Brownie13 on Sep 28, 2011 2:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with Rose as the lock also. MVP of the regular season.

Only problem is, he’s an Adidas player. Olympics seems to prefer Nike players, and it is Not a coincidence.

by Jevon O on Sep 28, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unless his shooting dramatically improves next year

He shouldn’t be considered a lock because his game isn’t a good fit for the international game as I indicated above. He can’t play off the ball and isn’t near Paul, Williams, or LeBron in terms of distributing ability. Moreover, what he does best is limited by the international game and we don’t really need a primarily isolation player as the last guy on the bench.

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by Ben R on Sep 28, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

what Ben R said

The international game does not suit people who drive and get fouled at the rim. You already have 3 great point guard options (makes me sick adding Lebron in there, but I’m being fair, he’d be an amazing point guard).

Only one thing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

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by Vmuse on Sep 28, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dwight Howard is Adidas

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by Marty Mart on Oct 1, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, and they made sure to cover up the logo on his shoes and shirt.

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by SoCalGal on Oct 1, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

didn’t know. Just pointing out that it hasn’t stopped other large stars

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by Marty Mart on Oct 1, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

except Brandon Jennings of course

lol

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by Marty Mart on Oct 1, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

IMO, Love gets the nod above all of them

Since his strengths are particularly well suited to the international game and the makeup of the team. He’s a better shooter than the other three and probably the best distributor from the high post, along with the best weakside rebounder. His defensive limitations are minimized by the ability of the team to play zone and the fact that he’s going to have some damn good defenders on the court with him.

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by Ben R on Sep 28, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

eh, i'm not big on putting more guards on the team

might as well trot out the golden state warriors to represent the US at that point.
a big like lamar or love would be good. I like lamar better because he’s more mobile and can actually play defense.

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by LOOOeee on Sep 28, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Why is Griffin in there?

A sophomore will not be the best option. Instead, I would replace him with Odom and have LMA as the 12th man. Also, with Dwight Howard, you don’t really need Kevin Love’s rebounds. And although he hits the 3 better than Bosh, Bosh has the better all around game.

I would also consider Rose over D Will because he’s coming off of an mvp season. At the same time, D Will has the better eurogame.

by Wewtt on Sep 28, 2011 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Griffin is basically guaranteed a spot, as I indicated above

So fussing over him getting a spot is fairly pointless. I find the “he’s a sophomore” argument somewhat amusing though considering that he was pretty damn good as a redshirted rookie last year and only stands to improve more on his game next season. Even if Odom maintains the same level he had during his career year last season, it’s highly doubtful he’s Griffin equal by the summer of 2012.

And the point with Love is rather misplaced. He’s there for depth, hence the multiple paragraphs devoted above for why the team needs more frontcourt depth, and Howard isn’t always going to be on the floor. His game also fits better into international play than basically every big on the roster save Bosh.

As for Rose, that’s a rather pointless addition. Questions about whether he actually deserved last year’s MVP aside, his game doesn’t fit the international game at all, and he’s pretty meek in point guard chops as compared to Paul and Williams. He also can’t play off the ball, which Williams can, and his utility is rather limited if he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

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by Ben R on Sep 28, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know that Griffin was a definite, but I don’t believe that he should be a shoe in. Offensively, he’s golden. He’ll help spread the floor just because of the threat of the alley oop. And It’ll be great for basketball if more people saw cp3/Lebron/DWill and Griffin on the same floor. But I doubt his defense. Last year, he was a bit lost on defense. Though his defense may be better now than before, I don’t think it’ll be refined enough for the Olympics.

It’s the same deal with Love. He was fairly good in Turkey, but I think we can do better defensively. If we’re sizing up against Spain, neither Griffin nor Love will stand a chance against Pau. Odom will have a good chance, and LMA will have the best.

On the subject of Rose, I’m thinking he’d be good as a different flavor of PG. Both Dwill and Cp3 are traditional point guards. Adding a speedy one wouldn’t be a bad idea. Using his speed to guard players like Tony Parker and Navarro may be a good idea as well. Lastly, who else deserved the MVP trophy last year? (only Dwight Howard comes into mind)

by Wewtt on Sep 28, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffin is a moot point, so I'm not going to touch on him

As for the defense problems, that’s not really an issue either. Both aren’t great certainly, but that can be covered up by the greater leeway with zones and similar in international ball along with the fact that there will be a couple all-world defensive players on the floor at any given time. Love certainly makes up for it by being the best non-Bosh big on the pick-and-pop, and given how valuable spacing is for zone busting and similar, he should get the nod there. His weakside rebounding and outlet passes also work really well with this roster and how many players can get in the open court. As I noted in the article — are you reading any of it for that matter? — I’d take Aldridge over Odom for the last spot, but it’s largely inconsequential. Neither are going to be guarding Pau in critical crunch time spots regardless; the point was about depth, primarily possible foul trouble, not straightforward matchups.

As for Rose, that’s not what the team needs. He doesn’t provide spacing unless his shot drastically improves next year, and it’s rather pointless to have him on the team if he’s not going to always have the ball in his hands. He can’t play off the ball, and on a team with this many weapons, him not having solid point guard chops is a problem. As for his defense, it’s certainly improved, but it’s not at Paul’s level (assuming he’s healthy) and I’m not about to call it an asset. And yes, Howard was a more deserving MVP in my opinion; arguments for Rose were deconstructed pretty thoroughly last season by about half the blogosphere. Far more of an impact overall on both ends and it wasn’t his fault that he had utter crap for a roster around him.

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by Ben R on Sep 28, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did read your article.

It was thorough and well written, but admittedly I skipped a few important points and for that I’ll concede most of what I said. To be fair, I made a bid for both Odom and LMA based on the assumption that Griffin wasn’t a definite. You made a strong case for Love, and to be honest, as long as Odom is on the team, I’m okay with Love being the 11th man over Rose and LMA.

As for the 12th man, Odom’s 2 biggest strengths is that he’s obviously very versatile and that he is very experienced in the role of international play and of bench player. He’d be the safer option over LMA. Like you said, Odom will probably be picked over LMA anyway, but I’m still comfortable with Odom over LMA for those 2 things.

by Wewtt on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going with Lamar

did good the first time so why not

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by BrittneyM on Sep 28, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Rose over Williams.

As for that last spot, Odom. Im being bias of course but he did well in last year. Im open to Chandler and LA too though…..lol Bosh. He’s just a character now.

by AV. on Sep 28, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted for Odom.

Why?

Because he’s a FREAKIN LAKER!

That’s all =/

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by 99bc99 on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Chandler

Quick on defense and great around the rim like Dwight, obviously not as good. Rather have that and being able to press teams up top than need to stay back and cover up for other defensive deficiencies of players

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by Marty Mart on Oct 1, 2011 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

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