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Andrew Bynum, Kobe Bryant, and the price of celebrity

Times are tough.  The American recession is on like Donkey Kong, and has been going strong for about 4 years now.  It's no longer a bug in the windshield, but more like your ex-girlfriend just keyed your car and maybe she's coming back for more.  Did I mention she likes lighter fluid?  Oh yeah and she's pregnant.  

The European economy is getting worse.  Countries bailing each other out to the point that the bailers are taking hits.  Everyone is slowing down.  The effect of this is stress, and what easier target is there than those that make tons of money for fairly frivolous reasons?

Enter NBA players.  They're not alone, mind you - this is affecting all aspects of culture but we're not talking about them here, Justin Beiber.  Earlier this summer we had the parking-lot-gate of Andrew Bynum and then just a few days ago Kobe-church-smartphone-gate.  Let's look at Bynum first.  

Ok, so Bynum parked in a handicapped spot so he could run into the Whole Foods or whatever it was and purchase various sundries ninja-style.  I believe that he considers himself "handicapped" to a certain degree, and it's for this reason that he hasn't apologized nor feels the need to acknowledge the situation in the public eye.  Afterall, it's the public eye that is his handicap in the first place.  If Bynum were to park in a "normal" spot and walk the 50 yards or so into the store, he might run into Laker fans, Celtic fans, Rich person fans, etc., thus slowing him down and "handicapping" his ability to run a routine errand and get back home to lay down some frags on the ps3.  

This is an inconvenience, for sure - but not a disabling one.  In fact, the public sees quite the opposite.  It is the functions of the market and popular culture at large that allows him to make the immense salary he does and buy all the cars and computers and live his life of sport and leisure.  Is 13 million dollars a year an "inconvenience" or a "handicap"?  Maybe if you're Prokhorov but not to the everyman.  To those who can't even afford a ticket to a Lakers game, the only opportunity to see one of the players in person is by chance.  Such is the arrangement, the market.

Therein lies the difference.  To Bynum, he's fully willing to take advantage of the benefits of being a celebrity sports athlete, but at the same time not willing to play the role that allows him to be in said situation.  A main part of the reason he makes so much money is because of the very public, celebrity status an NBA player engenders yet at the same time he wants to be seperate from that very machine and even eschew the public responsibilities or role that status demands in chance situations.

Kobe's situation is not much different.  To those that this situation annoyed lies the very same principles.  He's a public figure, he makes tons of money, allow yourself to be subject to that very deranged public persona you've created, they might say.  Yes some might go overboard.  Some might scream and try to rip off your clothes.  Some might stalk you and sleep in the trees outside your house.  The price you pay for that nuisance/death threat?  25 Million dollars a year.  

Of course there are those that are going to say no, some of these guys just really want to play basketball and they just love the game, and celebrity is a byproduct of that, and that's why the whole of celebrity culture annoys them so much.  Please.  I'm sure there are a few that somehow went through the entire machination of club ball, jr and high school ball - agents, pr people, private trainers etc., yet have no interest in the public eye.  However these aren't them.  You don't come up with your own nickname, ask the team to call you "A-train", or "make it rain" in a strip club if you are serious about the sport and the sport itself.  Today's NBA cannot be separated from it's celebrity culture, and if you're not willing to pay the price, don't collect the check.  You're earning your money on the court as well as off.  I think you can walk into the market like everyone else, or pay someone else to be like everyone else.  At the very least, you're not handicapped.

Yes, we are in a deep recession - and yes, this is a very slow NBA news cycle so of course these issues are going to be out there more than usual.  But to complain about it is like George Michael famously complaining about not wanting to be a celebrity in the 80's.  You don't want to be a celebrity?  Well then don't release albums on the radio and play concerts to tens of thousands of people.  Yeah, you won't be rich.  You decide.

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I'm sorry I've read this 3 times now and I still don't understand how anything you said relates.
Therein lies the difference. To Bynum, he’s fully willing to take advantage of the benefits of being a celebrity sports athlete, but at the same time not willing to play the role that allows him to be in said situation. A main part of the reason he makes so much money is because of the very public, celebrity status an NBA player engenders yet at the same time he wants to be seperate from that very machine and even eschew the public responsibilities or role that status demands in chance situations.

Bynum parked in the handicapped spot because he was being an inconsiderate jerk. I see people do it all the time and they aren’t celebrities. He was taking advantage of handicapped people because that is their designated parking spots and you don’t need to be a celebrity to do so. Heck I can go outside and do it right now, but I won’t because I’m not a jerk, not because I’m not famous.

Kobe’s situation is not much different. To those that this situation annoyed lies the very same principles. He’s a public figure, he makes tons of money, allow yourself to be subject to that very deranged public persona you’ve created, they might say. Yes some might go overboard. Some might scream and try to rip off your clothes. Some might stalk you and sleep in the trees outside your house. The price you pay for that nuisance/death threat? 25 Million dollars a year.

I can understand what you’re saying. If you’re famous like Kobe, you will end up eventually meeting some asshole that will take pictures of you. Like what he thought happened in the church situation. Yes he’s famous and he has to live with it. But what does that have anything to do with Bynum? He was at church in his situation and Bynum was caught parking in a handicapped spot. The only similarities I see is that they both play for the Lakers. Neither of them were complaining that they were famous. Just because Kobe makes millions doesn’t mean it’s okay to harass him. That’s not a valid excuse. Because you’re famous you have to deal with me harassing you? I would have done the exact same thing and knocked that cell phone away, and I’m not famous or rich.

Today’s NBA cannot be separated from it’s celebrity culture, and if you’re not willing to pay the price, don’t collect the check.
But to complain about it is like George Michael famously complaining about not wanting to be a celebrity in the 80’s. You don’t want to be a celebrity? Well then don’t release albums on the radio and play concerts to tens of thousands of people. Yeah, you won’t be rich. You decide.

It’s super dumb for celebrities to complain about not wanting to be a celebrity. I understand that. But this situation does not apply to either Kobe or Bynum. Neither of them were complaining. Bynum was being a jerk and Kobe was doing what most of us would have done in that situation anyway. Neither of them were complaining about being rich and being a celebrity.

It’s a slow day at work hence the nitpicking so please elaborate :P

Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

by afrikabamboodle on Aug 17, 2011 5:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

well to your first question -

i think bynum parks there for a reason. i don’t think he does it “to be a jerk”. i think he does it to avoid the attention.

to the second -

they are both connected in that both situations show an impatience with their positions as celebritites. in bynum’s case, as stated above, he wants efficiency. in bryant’s, privacy and respect. in both cases, however, they both went into the nba and desired to be part of the nba fully knowing that there was going to be celebrity and all it’s trappings. now that they’re there, however, they’re acting spoiled – not fully accepting that with earning ten or tens of millions a year comes a very public role. to wrap your third into this one, think about magic and or shaq (shaq might be a bad one given the recent accusations, but stay with me). here’s two guys who want to make the money, want to be celebrities, and are full willing to accept the nuisances that come along with it. can you imagine magic slapping a phone out of a dude’s hand even at church? no way – he might glare at the guy or tell him that’s not appropriate, but he’s going to be fully aware that there are all kinds of people with all kinds of moralities and ethics that are going to spaz out when they see him. it comes with the territory. why pretend like it doesn’t?

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 17, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh okay I can see your point of view now.

Honestly for some reason, your writing style causes me to imagine your tone as being a sarcastic one. I didn’t understand that you were being serious when you said Bynum was being efficient haha.

I don’t think comparing Kobe to Shaq and Magic is a fair comparison. They’re just very different people. I wouldn’t expect Kobe to react in the same way as Magic because while they’re both celebrities, they also have very different personalities and are both very different human beings. I highly doubt Kobe would have a lot of success being an analyst and TV personality haha.

While I don’t agree with some of your points, I respect your opinion.

Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

by afrikabamboodle on Aug 17, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah i knew it wouldn't be the most popular opinion, but i just wanted to get it out there.

magic also didn’t get questioned in a parking lot and end up getting burned on youtube (“ship his ass out”) so he’s understandably a bit paranoid, but come on. dude flies around in a helicopter because of the crazies. i think he can deal with it.

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 17, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

So let me get this straight:

Kobe makes $24MM a year and should be okay with someone in church trying to get his picture, even though 98% of the population thinks he deserves his privacy in a house of worship, including one of his harshest critics. Oh and despite the fact that we have never heard of him denying a fan his picture, in this situation he’s the bad guy.

Bynum, on the other hand, makes $14MM a year and can afford to send someone to buy his groceries if he wants to avoid his fans. Instead, he was in a public parking lot parked illegally in a handicapped spot, and 98% of the population thinks he should have apologized after being caught (oh, and it wasn’t the first time he’d done it).

And LOL @ the George Michael comment.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 17, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

oh i love people who comment on anything. on the plaschke article.

The Greatest Satan at 3:32 PM August 17, 2011
Church is a public place and Kobe is a public figure so too bad. Right to privacy denied

by tiger child on Aug 17, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't forget

the dude didn’t take his picture.

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 17, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Mamba was too quick for him

you raise your phone up at a guy, what else are you doing. Just because he was slower than Kobe does not mean he wasn’t going to do it.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

by Vmuse on Aug 17, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

you raise your phone up at a guy, what else are you doing.

that logic is a very slippery slope

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 18, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

True.

I mean, there could be a gun in there.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 18, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean I guess he could have been using a program

to try and scan the bar code on Kobe’s head, ….

Seriously, I can take a picture of someone quite easily without lifting my phone toward them (yes I guess that makes me a bit of a stalker), but if I am lifting my phone towards someone and pointing it at them, there isn’t much else I could be doing.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

by Vmuse on Aug 20, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

or

I’m trying to read a text…or I’m trying to see what time it is…or I’m looking at the screen to dial a number…Or I’m just trying to remotely trigger a thermo nuclear detonator, who knows. I don’t completely disagree with you or SCG, I’m just acknowledging logan’s point. if someone egregiously raised their phone in my general direction, while I may not like it, it does not give me just cause to manhandle that person…and yes, I just said manhandle…with a strait face. which is really hard to do, because the word manhandle is hilarious on so many levels.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 21, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

his points are valid

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 21, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I may not be Kobe Bryant

But I’m convinced people are constantly taking pictures of me. despite the fact that the vast majority of people would disagree with me, I’m pretty sure I’m a remarkably good looking man.

all that aside…like I said, I don’t completely disagree with you, I’m just saying I can see logan’s point as well, even if I don’t completely agree with it.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 21, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

i already wrote that above yesterday.

doesn’t absolve him of anything. he’s a grown man.

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 18, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since he didn't do anything wrong, he doesn't need absolution.

And a grown man should know better than to take his cell phone out in church unless he’s a doctor, and even then he should step outside. This guy, aged 20, isn’t a doctor.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 18, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously we disagree.

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 18, 2011 12:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with that. It's all good.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 18, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

*high five

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 18, 2011 1:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't have any problem with what Kobe did, even if it were true,

but it looks to me like it wasn’t. Nothing’s been brought up again, and the church said they’ve never heard of the guy who’s accusing Kobe of injuring him.

by Aethereal on Aug 18, 2011 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

don't ya love the lock out

the next story to drop will be glen davis farting in crowded elevator…will he be fined by the league?

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should be suspended at least 10 games for that.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 18, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I smell another faux news report

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 18, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get to work, Sun!

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 18, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretty punny guys

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 18, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

10 games?

If its really crowded then it will be mass murder

Nothing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!

by Vmuse on Aug 20, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

tottally agree

I’ve been trapped in an elevator when some one dropped the stench of haides…that person deserves death by fart chamber IMO.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 21, 2011 4:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trying to get past

fans isn’t what these guys try to do. They try to avoid the TMZ-type people with cell phones trying to catch not glimpses but film them without knowledge.

I can’t disagree more that a celebrity should have to deal with the fame allotted to them. All of their time would be spent appeasing people and trying to keep everyone happy if that was the case.

For Bynum: he was an idiot. Enough said. Whatever the motive, you don’t park in a handicapped spot. If you’re going in and out they have pick-up zones and other ways to get around it.

For Kobe: The guy had his camera out in church, which for many is an extremely private occasion. To expect someone to accept camera flashes as he’s praying in church or listening to a sermon is ridiculous. Even TMZ doesn’t go inside churches. I’ve seen people get phones snatched from them in other church services without celebrities there just because it’s disrespectful to many to have a phone out like that anyway. Either way, I can see why you think Kobe was wrong. I just don’t think anyone is wrong in any case to snatch a phone from someone in church. Stop being a disrespectful bastard. Maybe we should allow Kobe’s daughter’s to be filmed in school because they’re a product of his celebrity as well. Schools are public buildings after all.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Aug 18, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

whoa there

let’s not go too far. we’re talking about the two particular instances, not that nba players should go prancing through the malls just so people could say “hi”. i understand you don’t agree, which is fine. but if for some emergency reason (just sayin’) i pull out my phone in church (i don’t go to church) and some dude rips it out of my hand and goes through my photos, i’d be pretty pissed.

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 18, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the thing,

It’s all depending on the finer details to me. If it was just a guy nearby who pulled it out for a second, that’s a low move. But, if he was holding it at him, or almost snapped the picture, or was bothering Kobe, then it’s completely understandable. All that said, still not convinced it actually happened.

by Aethereal on Aug 18, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

I lean towards logan’s point of view but the particulars of the situation aren’t defined. However, to be honest if steve nash grabbed my hand and forcibly took any of my personal property from me I’d knock him on his Ass, as I’d do with any one else. bare in mind my man crush on Nash is EPIC!

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know where you'e coming from, but

I’ve known the sons of an athlete, and let me make it clear his celebrity status wasn’t even close to as wide spread as Kobe’s, and what would normally be a chance to be with family and enjoy each other’s company can be ruined by “fans”. This kind of stuff takes away from the family experience, instead of talking and enjoying each other’s company, lots of time is taken up shaking hands or listening to some one you don’t know say hello, people taking pictures and the athlete taking their attention off their kids to do it, or signing something. There’s a time and a place, if you’re at a practice or a game, go for it. But imagine being a little kid (Like kobe’s daughters) and having your father not be able to give you any attention because of pestering fans. Church is the farthest place to do this kinda thing. I still think it depends on the specifics, but I could completely understand why this would happen, and can’t blame the guy.

by Aethereal on Aug 18, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

all good points

there is no clear stance (IMO) on something like this. and I should also note that, in my above example, I also would never willing invade some one’s personal space or privacy. so like we said…a lot depends on factors we don’t know. I can see it from both ways. we’re in a time when hardworking and (formerly) successful families are losing their homes and lively hoods. Many people are doing their best to keep their cool in the face of extreme adversity right now, it’s hard to have empathy fore Multi-millionaires. at the same time, as you pointed out, everyone deserves some level of personal space and privacy.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 19, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don't need empathy to leave a dude alone in church. You just need common sense.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 19, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

not disagreeing with that point.

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 19, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

be pissed

but my angle is more or less, you don’t pull out a phone in church at all. Need to check the time, slide it out of your pocket a little, check, and put it away. There is nothing on your phone you need to do inside of the church. Need to make a phone call, trying to find signal, probably best to just go outside then

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Aug 24, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

completely off topic

but I love your Sig Marty

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 25, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol thank you very much

I like yours as well

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Aug 25, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

why thank you too sir

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 25, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, still waiting for another faux news story from you. Get cracking!

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Aug 25, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes coach

"Maybe I’m old school," Nash said, "but I signed a contract to play here and I want to honor it. I feel like I owe it to my teammates and the city and everybody to keep battling until they tell me it’s time to go." STEVE (God of Basketball) NASH

by 2NASHTY on Aug 25, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by SoCalGal on Aug 25, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, for one

Think Kobe a selfish, entitled, non clutch asshole and that Kelly Dwyer should be fired. Also, something racist and incoherent.

/yahoo comment

by Jevon O on Aug 19, 2011 7:24 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

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by SoCalGal on Aug 19, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher

by _logan_ on Aug 19, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

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