Will Jim Buss lose fan base?
I read an article today about the lack of communication the Lakers management, (mainly Jim Buss) displayed during the whole coaching interview process. From not re-newing the contracts of over 20 Laker employees, not informing Kobe about who they were considering for the head coaching position, to not even letting Brian Shaw know that he did not get the Head Coaching job. As long as I loved the Lakers, they have displayed nothing but the highest class and respect to their players, coaches and staff. Dr. Buss has ran the Lakers something similar to how the Yankees are ran in baseball. I just feel as though now that it is enviable that Jim Buss will someday own the Lakers he will run this great franchise to the ground. Something similar to the way that the McCourts took the Dodgers and made them into a laughing stock. Look at the Clippers. How can a team operate in Los Angelos for this long and not enjoy success? A lion share of the blame could be laid at the feet of their owner Donald Sterling. It just seems to me that we will be witnessing the fall of the empire that we have grown to love.
Pretty soon the Lakers will be in the same position that the Yankees were in earlier this year when dealing with their star Derek Jeter. Kobe's contract will end in 2013 and he will be 35 on the downside of his career. How will Jim Buss control this decision? Everyone knows that he is in love with Andrew Bynum (who should be in his prime). I guess we are going to have to cross that bridge when it gets here. Its just that the journey to get there looks gloomy.
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It's not a matter of him losing the fan base.
Laker fans will always be Laker fans. He’s pretty much never had my support and I doubt he’ll ever win me over. So no, he won’t lose the fan base because the fan base was never behind him to begin with :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Jul 18, 2011 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS
the Lakers are much bigger than Jim Buss will ever be, and while he may annoy us and piss us off, he cannot change the color of our blood.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!
I agree with you
But we have seen owners that run great franchises into the ground. If in the next 10 years we become a cellar dweller, I will still ride with our team. Its just the fact that if Jim Buss is in control of that ship I will be pissed beyond any imagination! I just feel he wants to take us in the direction of his dream. His dad wanted to bring “Showtime” back, he hires Mike Brown…. He fires anyone associated with Phil Jackson. When I am referring to the fan base, I am not talking about us die hards, I am referring to the fans around the world. We are known globally as a brand, the Lakers represent winning, and if this guy destroys this brand…. I dont know man, it just gets me mad when i think about it lol
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Putting the cart before the horse
We haven’t even started the freaking season yet to figure out how this is going to turn out, and if there’s going to be a downturn in the future, it will have far more to do with our core getting older, notably Kobe, than anything else. If Jim Buss actually gets a reasonable offer for Howard (read: one in which we don’t have to take Arenas) and turns it down, then we can start bitching about it, but that offer is not on the table, not for the Lakers or any other team in the league.
Not sure why you’re complaining about bringing back “Showtime” either considering that 1) no coach available barring Don Nelson runs anything remotely like it 2) we don’t have the personnel to run anything resembling it 3) Jerry Buss agreed with the Mike Brown hire.
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Hey man, Im going off how it is as of right now
I can wait until the season starts (if it does), however Im looking at how Jim Buss is treating people in this organization RIGHT now. The evidence is all there at this point. Why do I have to wait until we win games so I could start complaining, wouldn’t that make me a casual fan? Win or lose, this organization has been known through out NBA history as having class, and RIGHT now, he has not shown any class. Its something similar to the way Lebron left Cleveland. All he had to do was call Dan Gilbert and tell him hey I am leaving. Did Jim Buss call Brian Shaw and say thanks man for what you have done for us, but we are going into a different direction? No. Did he or did he not despise Phil Jackson to the point where anyone associated with Phil is gone? And the point about Showtime is not something that I wanted back. It was well documented that Dr. Jerry Buss wanted the Showtime Lakers back and he wanted a coach to do that even before PJ hung them up. Byron Scott was an idea candidate because he believed he could bring back Showtime. I know we do not have the personnel to run fastbreaks and all that, however that doesn’t mean we can not play at a faster pace. This is still Kobe’s team, and even though this offense would run more double post sets doesn’t mean Kobe is going to come down and immediately throw the ball down in the post. I believe alot of sets would be for him to operate down there. Isn’t the Triangle Offense a Triple Post Offense?
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I fail to see the connection between Jim Buss having a bad PR problem
And the Lakers falling flat next season. True, it isn’t productive and needs to change, but we’re all of two months into the Jim Buss era and basically saying he’s going to be the next James Dolan when he hasn’t bad a bad personnel decision yet beyond firing a bunch of long-tenured staff members, which may or may not be for lockout-related purposes. And no, I’m not denying you the ability to complain. I’m criticizing your premise when it rests on a pretty weak foundation that a losing culture has been created that’s going to be an emblematic part of the Lakers’ future. Of course, it could be true, but there’s a long, long way to go before that’s confirmed, and the arguments the other way frankly hold more weight right now.
And rofl, Byron Scott? First, Scott is a terrible coach whose offense, if one can call it that, is a far cry from anything resembling Showtime. Despite having Chris Paul pre-injury at the height of his prowess, New Orleans was a painfully slow-paced team with an unimaginative offense that worked because of Paul’s brilliance. In New Jersey, he had little to do with the offense given that it was basically run by Jason Kidd and Eddie Jordan. Not to mention that he’s basically had two locker rooms turn on him in both locales, and he’s had a pretty poor track record developing players given that he’s been liable to put productive players he doesn’t like in his doghouse for extended periods. Complain about the merits of Mike Brown against Rick Adelman or Brian Shaw, sure, but Scott is frankly on the same level as Mike Dunleavy.
I know we do not have the personnel to run fastbreaks and all that, however that doesn’t mean we can not play at a faster pace.
True, we should be utilizing more early offense opportunities, which Mike Brown notably said the Lakers would do in his opening presser, and something that I mention in Bynum’s report card. That said, it’s nothing remotely close to Showtime and far more methodical and post-based. Moreover, Brown, with his San Antonio background, is arguably a better person to work this out than Scott, who has had basically no experience with how to integrate a pair of post players like Gasol or Bynum.
This is still Kobe’s team, and even though this offense would run more double post sets doesn’t mean Kobe is going to come down and immediately throw the ball down in the post. I believe alot of sets would be for him to operate down there.
Uh, did you contradict yourself? This is a bit muddled. We’re going to run more post sets and Kobe’s going to throw the ball into the post as part of early offense? Which is true and all and probably a good part of his role, but if you were intending to say that Kobe is going to freelance, that’s also true, but a bit irrelevant given that he would do that regardless of whatever offense was being run. If you meant that Kobe was going to get sets with which to operate in the post, that’s true as well, although he’s likely to see more plays with him coming off screens as versus the triangle, and per the sets Messina will bring it, it will depend a lot on how the defense reacts to Kobe in motion, not who wants the ball in that scenario.
Isn’t the Triangle Offense a Triple Post Offense?
Between the strong side block player, the strong side corner, and extended strong side wing. Not three players in the post if that’s what you were trying to get at. In any case, Phil, who has admitted in the past that he’s not a great Xs and Os guy, has been pretty bad at integrating Bynum’s and Gasol’s talents when they’re on the floor together beyond some rare high-low action, and that’s one reason for the stagnancy when both were on the floor together. Given that Brown is bringing in a system that featured two players with similar skillsets to Bynum and Gasol in Robinson and Duncan, it meshes much better with them in particular, ignoring the fact that we need a real point guard and things like that.
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thats exactly why shaw was left out...
you nailed it bigbo…anybody associated with phil jackson would not have been brought back. period. the end. his distain for phil ran deep, all the way down to his sister jeanie dating phil. its all like a jealous brother kind of thing.
from what ive read, jerry still has the final say, i dont know how true that is, but i hope it is. but in saying that, did the communication issues go back to jerry as well? seemed like it did, and it does look like jerry’s staying pat with him saying it’s jims business now. and thats not good!
jims already starting off on the wrong foot. and ive said this before, the lakers need to make a splash in free agency, bynum or not. i really think he would get rid of kobe over bynum to tell you the truth. i dont what it is about andrew, that jim’s all brokeback over, but, in all reality, andrews the linchpin to whatever happens for the future. and with drews balky knees? it dont look to good.
You are right
I dont know what he sees in Bynum that he loves so much. Dont get me wrong, I love the kid too, but we won back to back championships with him making little impact.
Since you playing ball let me show you how I put my "D" down........ Rebound!!! Your man dropped the ball and I caught it, Im trying to Lay-up in ur body, ya Im ballin!!!
too bad he can't touch Kobe :)
lol
Nothing would make me happier than seeing CP3 traded to the Lakers. Mitch, make it happen!
I don't think he'll ever "lose" the fanbase.
But if his big decisions don’t pan out (mainly the Brown hiring, possibly holding on to Bynum but I’m in favor of that), I can see the fanbase becoming very discontented quite quickly.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 19, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
So you would take right now Bynum over Kobe??
I would not take that on this day or even in the next 2 years. I dont see this as a Kobe vs Shaq thing because both of them were putting up big numbers across the board. If you say either Bynum or Pau in the future, then yes I would side with you. Look at it this way, to whose knees do you have the most confidence in Kobe’s or Drew’s?
Since you playing ball let me show you how I put my "D" down........ Rebound!!! Your man dropped the ball and I caught it, Im trying to Lay-up in ur body, ya Im ballin!!!
I meant in terms of a Bynum/Howard trade, I'd take hold on to Bynum.
But no, I would not take Bynum over Kobe right now. If he continues to develop, then maybe, but it’d still be a bit of a stretch. But, I don’t think this is ever going to become a Bynum/Kobe issue similar to Shaq/Kobe.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 19, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a false dichotomy
There’s no “taking one over the other” at this juncture, nor is there any crossroads in which the Lakers will have to select one or the other anytime before 2014 barring a Bynum/Howard trade or Bynum not getting an extension for some odd reason. If it’s a question about touches, that should get resolved by itself between some of the double post sets Brown will take from San Antonio and Ettore Messina’s own playbook, all of which will rely on what the defense will give the Lakers more than anything else, not to mention that Kobe will have to adopt more of a distributing role unless Brown is willing to give Morris more minutes. Already wrote on that subject in any case:
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/7/6/2255740/player-report-card-andrew-bynum
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Depends on how the team does
If LA wins it all within the next two seasons, no one asking Kobe about Mike Brown before his hiring will be forgotten because it worked out, if no championship comes then we’ll never forget that incident. That’s just the way it works, winning makes you forget everything negative, for the most part.
by Fin Fan Forever on Jul 19, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
Doubt that he cares, lol...
the dude is rich………
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I didnt know Jim Buss have fans.
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pump the brakes dude
I just feel as though now that it is enviable that Jim Buss will someday own the Lakers he will run this great franchise to the ground. Something similar to the way that the McCourts took the Dodgers and made them into a laughing stock.
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We should just become the NBA's Packers and go the community owned route.
Jim Buss doesn’t know jack about the game and the city of L.A. would easily support this franchise.
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When you’re loyal, you never leave. Not even during the Ceballos/Peeler period. Buss is just a suit.
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