More Monta Rumors, And Are The Lakers Looking To Move Up In Draft?
by DexterFishmore on Jun 9, 2011 2:02 PM PDT
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PrintWelcome to day two of the Monta Ellis chatter. Apparently there's something to the rumors linking Ellis with the Lakers, as Ken Berger, one of the most respected names in NBA reportage, is now lending credence to the story. In a piece just published at CBS Sports, Berger lists the Lakers as one of five teams (along with the Trail Blazers, Hawks, Bulls and 76ers) with the "most sincere" interest in trading for Ellis. Berger quotes a source as saying the talks surrounding Ellis are "pretty hot" (not unlike your mom). The smart money's on Golden State pulling a deal with the Sixers for Andre Iguodala, but even that's just a "50-50 proposition" right now.
Incidentally, with Iggy on the market, it would be nice to hear the Lakers are making calls about him as well. A few weeks ago, when we were discussing trades we'd like to see the Lake Show pursue, Ben made the case for acquiring Iguodala. Berger says the Sixers aren't looking to move in him a pure salary dump, but it's worth finding out what it would take to pry him loose.
And speaking of trades we've advocated for in the past, you might recall my arguing for a deal involving Pau Gasol and the second pick in the draft, currently held by David Kahn and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Chad Ford, ESPN's leading draft pundit, is starting to hint at just this possibility. Late last week, in a piece behind the Insider subscription wall, he wrote that it's "better than 50-50" the Wolves will trade away the pick and that the Lakers "have shown interest in trading up."
Then yesterday, in his latest mock draft (also walled off from non-Insiders), he wrote of the Wolves:
Publicly, the team is claiming that they're likely to hang on to the pick. Privately, they're hoping that a team comes along and offers them an impact veteran -- someone such as Pau Gasol, Monta Ellis or even JaVale McGee -- for the pick.
Hmm. The second pick alone (which we should assume will be Derrick Williams) isn't tasty enough to justify parting with Gasol. If the Wolves are sufficiently enticed by Pau, however, the opportunity is there for the Lakers to swing an excellent deal by snagging the pick and additional pieces. (Think some combination of Jonny Flynn, Wayne Ellington, Luke Ridnour and Martell Webster.) Either way, I find both this rumor and the Ellis talk encouraging, in that it shows recognition by the Laker front office that the roster needs to get younger and more athletic.
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Nice to see them at least focused on getting younger
I hope from now on they start putting more importance on the draft rather than constantly trading every draft pick away. Trading for the second overall pick would be pretty sweet.
I’m happy that they’re focused on making moves and realize that they need to do something. Now lets hope they make smart moves. I don’t think Odom for Ellis would be smart. But Gasol for that second overall pick and some combination of the players you listed? I like that. It will get the Lakers younger, and most likely get them Derrick Williams (or maybe the Cavs are stupid and they get Kyrie Irving), so they’d be getting younger at multiple positions with a move like that while getting some highly talented players in return.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
If they trade Gasol for a 2nd pick and some T-Wolves
the Lakers will not win a championship next year…
Sure, that move helps them build toward the future, but it doesn’t help them to win now. As flawed as the current roster is, the current roster has a better shot at winning at championship than the proposed roster would.
I don’t like that because we don’t know how much Kobe has left in the tank. We need to be swinging for the fences each of these final years Kobe is still a force.
Unlikely as it is, what if they manage to get Love and the pick for Gasol and some other players?
Would that be a move for the coming year?
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I like the idea...
…but impossible. That alone would require Pau and likely Bynum. Losing 2 of Pau, Bynum or Odom is the death knell for this team considering how poor their bench is.
I like Pau for the number 2 and a roll player or two. Hopefully Brown can motivate this team to play a more swarming, energized defense. That alone could compensate for a loss/trade-off of a Pau for D. Williams.
exactly..
trading one guy big-for-small is one thing, if it is the ‘right’ guy meaning a point guard or a guy that is very close to that guy, Monta Ellis in Mike Brown’s system would fit the bill somewhat, but he isn’t known as a passer or distributor, where is Kobe in the scoring equation?
I am not encouraged by the fact that Laker fans would rather move up to the second pick for a rather unproven one-and-done project in a terrible NBA draft pick. I mean it’s a bad trade when the receiving team is getting a proven veteran who had a bad postseason due to personal problems, but he is not in decline? I refuse to believe we can trade up that far and acquire athletes when they are already in the league and for whom you can get for the same price.. no sorry, I would rather have the team as it is without risking Kobe’s last 3 years of potential to close his legendary career. I would look elsewhere, in fact if we traded Odom for Monta I would do it, but all be told, it’s not necessarily a trade that should be done, unless we have to, because we are rushed to do so given the lockout scenario.
by earlyb1r on Jun 9, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
I think that is why I would slightly lean towards an Iguodala trade. A solid wing defender with athleticism is basically what the team needs at this time. I know it’s easy to just say that. Unfortunately the contracts of Fisher, Artest and Walton are just albatrosses that can seriously hinder the moves that the team can make.
You are absolutely correct about making Kobe’s last 3 years count. Even a work in progress like D. Williams would take a couple seasons to be dependable.
The way they're going right now, they probably won't win it next year without some trades.
Pau for Derrick WIlliams, Johnny Flynn, and Wayne Ellington really isn’t that bad.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant
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you want athletes get jr smith, he's a FA this yr
as fast as they come..
Then get Nene hilario for Odom and tweak the team roster some more, if you want — since Nene is such a decent undersized PF/C you can make Gasol or Bynum package for Dwight if he’s out there, if not you can still go after CP3 or Dwill, I know it’s a longshot but you have to aim high in this league, specially since the Heat are the big kahuna here.. you gain a lot with moves like what I gave because these are free agents, athletic and would actually fill our needs and wants and get tougher inside other than the other two pipedreams I laid out. I would inquire about Iguodala too since he’s been made available to anyone who would listen for Flynn or Ricky Rubio for Steve Blake or draft picks.. we dont need the picks this year in my honest opinion. Prioritize Lakers. Prioritize.
Don't want Ellis
Too short, bad on d and inconsistent so NEXT Lakers please, they seem to do the opposite of what I want anyway
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by BrittneyM on Jun 9, 2011 2:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
You should want what you do not want
That way, they will do the opposite if what you do not want.
Hoping that when Lakers entered years of rebuilding, Juventus would stop sucking.
Hoping that when Juventus are sucking, Lakers would be contending for the championship.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 10, 2011 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol true true
Reverse it on them, likely that idea
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by BrittneyM on Jun 10, 2011 8:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not me.
The Lakers are already so insanely far over the CURRENT NBA luxury tax cap (let alone the next one, which will be lower)… How are they gonna get Monta Ellis.
Kobe Bryant isn’t going anywhere, plus Pau Gasol’s salary alone will put them close to the line…
The only answer would be to move Pau for Monte, violating the One Fundamental Rule of NBA Trades: you don’t trade bigs for smalls…
I’m not ready to do that. We Laker fans need to lighten up on him, he’s great.
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by timbo on Jun 9, 2011 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, you don't move Pau like you moved Shaq
Pau is still a very good player, and he essentially fills two roster spots for the Lakers. You don’t trade him unless you get equal or greater value. Period. There’s no reason to panic and blow this team up unless you’re making a sure deal. The team as constructed can still win it all next year.
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 9, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Forget all this nonsense and wait for Dwight front office!
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." -Vin Scully
I view the "waiting for Dwight" school of though as nonsense to be perfectly honest
This team as constructed has no chance to win next year, and we need to make moves this summer either to try to go for it again, or rebuild for the future.
Getting Derrick Williams, Johnny Flynn, and Wayne Ellington for Pau would allow us to get younger and more athletic while giving us much more depth. We would need at least a couple more players at the 4 and 5, but that can be filled in free agency.
I would propose getting Nazr Mohammed for primary backup at the 4/5, and maybe 2 other guys who will get 5-10 minutes each.
Flynn/Blake
Kobe/Ellington/Brown
Williams/Artest/Barnes
Odom/Mohammed/Barnes
Bynum/Mohammed
And with Derek Fisher having no plans to retire, where do you propose he fits in the Flynn/Blake scenario?
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I totally forgot about him lol
I would have him behind Blake to be quite honest. Playing just enough time (5 minutes a game) plus garbage time to keep somewhat game ready. Then play him over Blake in the playoffs.
That will never happen.
Fisher relinquished his starting spot to Gary Payton and then had to relinquish his starting spot to Baron Davis in Golden State. I don’t think the Lakers make him the third PG option. They might not give Kareem a statue when he wants it, but I doubt they disrespect Fisher like that.
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That is what I would do
The Lakers would probably play him 2nd behind Flynn, and move Blake to garbage time duty.
Lol....
D-fish and Luke got sucked into the black hole of unproductiveness, lol.
It's gonna be OK.
I wanna see....
at least one more five hole bounce pass from Luke before he’s gone.
It's gonna be OK.
I wanna see him in the crowd cheering on the Lakers
He is a total waste of a roster spot
by NewCavsfan on Jun 9, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you can't just waive Luke
u might as well keep him cuz u have to pay him either way. If he’s unable to play in the future, insurance takes care of it instead of the Lakers still being out salary this year because they paid him.
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Hopefully there's a CBA amnesty clause.
Luke is a perfect fit for it.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
If there's an amnesty clause, that means there will be a hard cap
And Walton’s contract will be the least of our problems.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
What makes you tie the two together?
The last (current) CBA had a one-time amnesty and continued the previous soft cap / luxury tax system.
I don’t see any connection.
Have you seen anything written about that?
The amnesty was to give all owners a financial break, independent of the cap / tax system.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
I think the Lakers would go with Ron Artest before they choose Luke Walton.
Maybe even Blake, so they could break up the log jam in the backcourt.
Ship his ass out!
/Kobe’d
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 9, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hush, you.
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I'ma record my own parking lot video about this
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 9, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, tell me where and I'll show up.
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This team as constructed has no chance?
That’s a bold statement. I think the current team has a good chance of winning next year. It’s incredibly hard to make it to four consecutive Finals appearances or winning 3 ships in a row. The new coach coupled with bitter taste in their mouth from the way they lost this year will infuse much needed energy into the team. I’m not saying that this roster is the best roster in the league, but it has a very good chance of winning again. Next year anyway.
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 9, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If Oklahoma City develops their young guys even more
And gets a little bit more bench up especially at SF and C, then they will be far better than us.
Similiarly, Memphis will probably be a 4 or 5 seed next year, and Portland, with LMA, Wes Matthews, Batum, etc, should be pretty good as well.
Dallas will start to fade, as will SA, but those other 3 teams will be highly dangerous, and if the Clippers get a legit starting SF, they could be a playoff team as well.
IF we made it to the finals, I couldnt see us beating the Heat, who will probably have a better bench next year, or the Bulls, who will similiarly get a more productive bench and SG to support Rose.
We also have no idea how much Kobe has left in the tank, and Gasol might continue his bad play, since he is now at the end of his prime and starting his decline. This was Odom’s best year, but will he continue? Will Ron Artest play better D and actually make some shots? Will Fisher even be getting minutes? (I hope not). There are way too many question marks and old players that play key positions to say this team is a championship contender.
All of the hypotheticals on our players
could all be easily the same as this year or improved.
And there’s no guarantee with other teams either.Portland is looking to make moves, so we know nothing of what they’ll look like. Memphis has moves to make as well because they have to re-sign some people so they might not even be the same team. OKC is a ? because no one knows what drastic or minor improvements may be made by the players, curse of being a young team. They could be the exact same team next year or worse. The Heat and Lakers could become victims of a new cap system. The Bulls could find no takers on their cheap trade offers or they could make a stupid move that saves money and breaks up some of the current team, like shipping off their best perimeter defender in Luol Deng.
There is no reason to build this team with other teams in mind except when analyzing weaknesses that were exploited this year. Otherwise, you never build a team with beating a single team in mind. In order to address every single one of those teams we would be making all sorts of roster moves that would restructure the entire team, which quite frankly doesn’t need to be done. Just a little youth and athleticism on defense to go along with a PG capable of running an offense and dribbling through traffic off the pnr is all we need. Outside of Fisher and Kobe every other major contributor is still young enough to replicate their contributions. Talk of what could be isn’t talking about what it is. Lamar could very well continue to be a great player off the bench or he could start sucking, but that is a possibility for any player EVERY year. Hell, Kevin Durant could suck next year. The team needs to build with some sort of caution of the future, but the way you’re talking is that this team should just break apart and start over because it is done. In which case, I think and I’m sure many agree that you’re wrong for at least one more year
Why did we lose to Dallas? Terrible pnr defense and horrible closing out. Almost the entire problem of the series was our defense not being good enough to hold leads. Our offense albeit stalled, still kept up with them and we led for periods in 3 of the 4 games before the shit hit the fan in game 4. The Heat with youth, athleticism, and all the stuff you say we need are still struggling to put the Mavs away even when leading throughout the game and the Mavs are the OLDEST team in the league. The Mavs were a question mark team to start this year and are filled with questionable players contributing. It’s a role of the dice any given year. you can’t just make drastic changes because that team would be nothing but a question mark with expectations that it prolly wouldn’t meet up to.
Long story short, the team is questionable, but any changes to the roster would make the team just as questionable. There is never a sure thing.
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by Marty Mart on Jun 9, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh and Kobe
could still replicate his contributions. No one knows how the extra time off will affect him or his knee. So we’ll just have to wait and see like everything. Hedge our bets on some trades or acquisitions while being woefully cautious of other, such as ones for Monta Ellis. Changing the entire roster to be as athletic as the Heat or as young as OKC isn’t going to happen, but we were never younger or more athletic than either of those teams and we still competed. Major roster changes shouldn’t just be made because we don’t know if Pau Gasol will have his worst playoff run in history again, when there are no signs it should’ve happened previously.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Teams last year did not take this advice as they built their teams to beat us.
you never build a team with beating a single team in mind.
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by SoCalGal on Jun 9, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
this team if lucky has one more finals appereance in them
but they aren’t winning any chips soon. there is no way this current team will make through a whole season heathly and then have enough energy to defend the good young teams late in the postseason.
(SCANDALS OR NOT WE SHOULD OF BEEN ABLE TO PLAY)(no excuses…) -God himself
based on the variable play of the lesser players sure
the starters aren’t going to forever be able to cover up bench deficiencies and Kobe isn’t going to forever be able to make up for a serious lack of non-Kobe perimeter production. However, no one is saying the team should stand pat, but rather shouldn’t be looking to complete overhaul either
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
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Why would you trade an elite player who is your 2nd option for 3 players who may never be better than average?
especially when you’re trying to squeeze the last ounce of juice from your franchise player? Getting younger and more atheletic is always good, but not at the cost of your #2 option (equivalent of blowing of your team unless you get someone of equal value).
There is a time to rebuilt, but not at the moment when you have 90 mil & 3 years dedicated to your aging franchise player. You don’t have time to wait for your younger players to develop
by no stance on Jun 9, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dont know
who wayne ellington is, but Derrick Williams is too undersized and unproven to be a 2nd scoring option at the post, it’s not like we’re trading Gasol for Blake Griffin here mind you- when he hasn’t even stepped foot into the league, for all we know he is the best player coming out of this draft but it would also make us weaker in the interior.. for that I rather have Iggy, or nene for Gasol. I love the idea of trading Gasol or dangling him out there, just to see what other better offers are out there, I am just as sure as a Gasol for Dwill or CP3 would work as sure as i am that Raymond Felton would make us faster.. but you don’t have to give up your starting PF -a guy that paired with Kobe has helped take this team to 4 straight successful seasons. We are too undersized inside with your lineup.. too untested. I rather not us mortgage our future with these guys maybe if Derrick was 3 yrs into the league but not now sir.
by earlyb1r on Jun 9, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're a bit delusional
This team as constructed has no chance?
Really? No chance? So if the Lakers wouldn’t have gone cold and the Mavs extrememly hot, we wouldn’t be talking about the Lakers in the finals right now?
You’re as bad as Magic with his “blow the team up.”
by rshinsec on Jun 10, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gasol and Bynum can only play major minutes together with Gasol high and Bynum low
The offense just gets stagnant with them both down low and no strong 3 threat
What about Odom for Monta and their first rounder this year?
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never trade proven starters
only for comparable starters in this league… which is why I honestly believe we are risking too much.. by not risking what I am saying is simple, you trade value for value, with Dwight being your number one option.. yet excluding him, you must inquire after Deron Williams, CP3 a straight up trade or bundle in return, if we are to be successful next year.. you don’t trade up in the NBA’s worst lottery in many years and count on rookies to pull you through which is why I am opposed to this deal since athleticism can be got during the offseason and Gasol and Bynum to name a few are your only chips if stars where to become available in the very near future.. specially with the impending lockout.
lets move into the top 5 and get kemba walker. not for pau tho! i would trade artest and shannon brown for kemba
by illyistic1 on Jun 9, 2011 4:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
kemba walker is like 5'11
I would go after aaron brookes since he is a free-agent this year instead a few inches taller and a legitimate Derek Fisher replacement
you are right, but he's quick
if you want to tweak the roster a bit, beggars can’t be choosers though.. but you are right though. I still stand by my comments, Kemba is project at best and maybe not even the best player in the top 4, undersized. Rodney Stuckey actually would be a better pick, although I am not sure he’s as quick, I would like to get Ramond Felton if he were available or somebody of his ilk.
Aaron Brooks is negligibly taller than Walker at 6'.
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comparitively
better than him being shorter, he can shoot, but can he even run a team at the NBA level yet? LOL. kemba would be cheaper though, that’s a plus. I just wouldn’t trade Gasol for any of these guys anyway, specially a rookie? why would you trade big for small, even at 6’9 Odom is a big, and a versatile one at that, the entire notion of trading one of our core players or a package built around one of our core players is still dumb if it’s not one for one the top 7 pg/sg combos in the league.. but people want the team to trade up for projects? Let’s get something straight, projects and intriguing prospects are not going to ensure our team or Kobe’s legacy. Since Monta is more scorer than anything, and we need speed and quickness simply losing one of our core players with the few chips this team has going forward, is just not good math or business sense. I agree with Mitch that if the right player comes along the trade gets done, if not, then you are just not making sense doing the trade.. specially for dude like Monta who, while good and will give us a ton of offense and some D, we are not sure he is as committed and would demand to be more of a scoring option when we already have Gasol as the second option. If you relegated Fisher and got even Kemba walker that’s an upgrade! But not a very good one for a team going up against the Heat in the coming years.. I say pass and get somebody else like Flynn these are speed upgrades and certainly Monta would give us that, just not sure he’s the right fit right now. Rushed option right now.
jesus...
it’s almost Faulkner-esque stream of consciousness
caddy didnt smell like trees anymore whats that box on the wall AAHHHH TREEES
YOUNG YOUNG YOUNG YOUNG
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
i think Iguadala would be the perfect guy actually
ship them LO and Artest and we got a deal.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
that i can agree to then enroll him in shooting class
then i’d do the twolves trade and sign j.r. smith man am a poor gm.
flynn/dfish/blake
kobe/smith/ellington
iggy/barnes/walton
williams/odom/joe smith
bynum/mohammed
=0
I'm curious on what Odom's trade value is
I suspect he’s considered a much more valuable player with scouts and coaches then he is with fans.
for some years now and thanks for reasoning from good blog writers here and in forumblueandgold, i remained more for the status quo with minimal tweaks
however, for this year i maintain that this year, as presently constructed and for a system run by brown and in this new age of athleticism and super teams in the nba, will have a tough tough time getting to the top, let alone win it all. odds aren’t cooperating: age, some chemistry apparently, coaching changes and even stern and the zebras.
some weeks ago i expressed preference for the twolves trade. an now that they have been vocal about wanting an impact veteran like pau (who, let’s face it really diminished his trade value this year), i say let’s take some interest. i don’t buy the argument we all the more won’t make the championship if we ship pau. let’s consider the things we get back: youth, shooting, athleticism, hunger and if things turn well promise for the future. we go long-term now. a bynum-williams, or bynum-odom-williams (as he strikes me as a small forward too) trio if all healthy is pretty formidable going forward. add to that the remainder of kobe’s prime (which i hope is longer than we think) and an above average (or by all means, an elite pg like ellis or paul) and we are in very good shape. a LOT depends on how williams turns out to be. you roll a dice and hopes he is not the next evan turner. with the tone of this buss, it looks like we might as well roll it now. ellington and webster won’t hurt as well. i’d throw in caracter to sweeten the pot or get another high pick. if they give us flynn, i can throw in another one to that mix (ron mabye). that’s instant shooting and tenacity (webster has those moments) from your backup sg-sf and you still have barnes and luke (who we can also add to a trade to an elite pg cough, paul, cough ellis).
now if we go to the pau for ellis route, i do have reservations. i’d rather have paul.
and since am not sold on ellis, i’d rather have the twolves trade then sign (hoping mle exists) on jr. smith, yes j.r. smith for instant firepower now that LO will have to be starting. or keep LO and let him and the wingmen run the bench with dfish then have a flynn-smith-bryant-williams-bynum unit. then have blake/dfish-brown (this guy might walk)-ebanks/ellington-barnes-walton/odom-joe smith (i know right)/ mohammed bench.
but yeah, am much a reflection of the 2k11 fanboy i am and this blog post too.
by bypasser on Jun 9, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s starting to sound more and more like the 2011 Lakers will be without maybe Gasol and Odom.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
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for the right guy
or guys , keep in mind if we ship him out we better get a suitable replacement or else we are just losing depth.
D.WILLIAMS
in purple and gold,hell yes i would luv that! get it done!!!!
by the fantasy king on Jun 9, 2011 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
C'mon Mitch, make the damn call.
Derrick Williams, Webster, Flynn, and Ellington would be epic. Williams was the most efficient player on the ISO in college at 29.9%. Get him please, Mitch.
i think we'd have to throw caracter or ebanks to make it work. i'd depart with luke if need be
and as desecrator said, go for the iggy trade as the clippers are reluctant
cavs don’t have pau to make this work. cmon twolves, show some love.
a pick that we don't have
a pick I don’t really want
it wouldnt let me rec more than once :(
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i would love to see buss shock us doubters and undercut them sleepy teams with these trades
wait, can we do trades now even without new cba?
There can be trades
The CBA doesn’t expire until the end of June.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 9, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
But the trading deadline for this season has passed, right?
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 9, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Teams can make trades once their season has ended
Just can’t trade players whose contracts are ending or could end because of early termination options.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 9, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gotcha!
Thanks for the clarification, Dex!
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 9, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope the owners don't screw the Lakers
by instituting a hard salary cap
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 9, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah the hard salary cap sucks
Of course I’m completely biased, looking at these negotiations purely from the perspective of being a Lakers fan. The hard salary cap would be terrible, but the other things the owners want don’t seem too bad, like cutting player’s share of the revenue and reducing the contract lengths. Some NBA teams are legitimately losing money, unlike the NFL. (Although I must admit that if you’re running a team you should be responsible if you’re losing money. You are the one who made, or authorized those who made, the poor financial decisions. Not everyone in the NBA is losing money.)
So as long as the hard salary cap isn’t instituted, then the Lakers should be in good shape to make some beneficial roster moves.
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 9, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
some NBA teams
would also legitimately be losing money if there were a hard cap in place. You shouldn’t be guaranteed a profit because you make terrible decisions.
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doesn't only screw the Lakers
at least 8 teams are paying luxury tax this past year.
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The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
that's stupid!
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I wont trade Pau unless we are getting a quality big
Nonetheless, I doubt Pau would be traded, Mike Brown has already stated he wants LA to have Twin Towers.
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by domz on Jun 9, 2011 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i heard
larry riley isnt shopping monta bc marc jackson loves him and wants to keep the backcourt of monta and curry.
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
Grown man move, I see.
Hoping that when Lakers entered years of rebuilding, Juventus would stop sucking.
Hoping that when Juventus are sucking, Lakers would be contending for the championship.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 10, 2011 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That trade would beef up Golden State
I could see them easily being a 5 or 6 seed after that trade.
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 10, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Fleeced would be a gross understatement
If we’re giving them Pau, I want their first rounder, Udoh, and Wright before we even get to Ellis.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I'm more interested in the smaller names from GS
Wonder if we could get D.Wright/J.Lin for Barnes/Caracter/Brown (if the last opts to stay) plus a couple of our 2nd rounders.
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EDIT 2011: "The Lakers were ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas."
Its interesting that the Lakers could’ve drafted Ellis in the 2nd round back in ‘05 (they took Von Wafer at #39, Ellis went at #40 to the Warriors). I’m not convinced Monta would work with the Lakers as a starter. If the Lakers are interested in Monta playing sort of a Jason Terry type role off the bench then maybe thats a different story but even still, I dont think I would pull the trigger on that deal. Lakers really need a true PG if they are going to play the way Mike Brown wants them to play offensively and Ellis is far from being a true PG.
Next season.
Lakers might want to send Pau Gasol to Houston for: Louis Scola, Jordan Hill, Courtney Alexander and Gorin Dragic. The money matches. This would be smart if it’s true that Jim Buss is dead-set on keeping Bynum. Which I disagree with completely.
Then send Odom/Artest/Blake to New Jersey for D. Williams & Johan Petro. $ matches.
Lineup: Bynum, Scola, Barnes, Kobe, D. Williams and the bench would have:
Petro, Jordan Hill, Ebanks, Courtney Lee, Gorin Dragic and the 11th and 12th
Walton and Fisher, finally at the end of the bench where they can be asst. coaches.
New Jersey would take Pau Gasol.
Darren Williams will leave New Jersey and No big name free agent will sign there. Losing D. Williams for nothing will force a trade. N.J. knows they could run Lopez/Gasol/Travis Outlaw on their frontline. They won’t get a better big man offer for Darren. And Gasol in N.J. will have more of an impact than a star point gaurd in N.J.. Because point gaurds have few post scorers to pass to in N.J.. But a low post of Lopez/Gasol/Outlaw gives them someone to pass inside to for points. That makes the Lakers starting lineup: (Bynum/Odom/Artest/Kobe/Darren W.)- We send Gasol and Blake for D. Wil and A. Morrow.
Remember N.J. is also interested in our four 2nd rd draft picks, they gave their picks up.
by look closer on Jun 13, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
New Jersey would take Pau Gasol.
Darren Williams will leave New Jersey and No big name free agent will sign there. Losing D. Williams for nothing will force a trade. N.J. knows they could run Lopez/Gasol/Travis Outlaw on their frontline. They won’t get a better big man offer for Darren. And Gasol in N.J. will have more of an impact than a star point gaurd in N.J.. Because point gaurds have few post scorers to pass to in N.J.. But a low post of Lopez/Gasol/Outlaw gives them someone to pass inside to for points. That makes the Lakers starting lineup: (Bynum/Odom/Artest/Kobe/Darren W.)- We send Gasol and Blake for D. Wil and A. Morrow.
Remember N.J. is also interested in our four 2nd rd draft picks, they gave their picks up.
by look closer on Jun 13, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The only realistic thing about those trades is that they're legal
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Trades available for next years Lakers!
Ron Artest & Shannon Brown to Cleveland for: Ramon Sessions, J.J. Hixon and Ryan Hollins. This gives us a new pt gaurd, starting sf and a backup center in one trade.
If Pau and Shannon Brown and two 2nd rd draft picks go to New Jersey: then we get D. Williams and Anthony Morrow, a backup shooting gaurd.
If Pau goes to New Orleans then we get CP3 and Marco Bellineli, a backup shooting gaurd.
Bynum and Shannon Brown can go to Orlando for Dwight Howard, to replace both center positions.
If Orlando wants Odom too, then we get Howard, Brandon Bass and R. Anderson.
We Must remember NBA trades are dollar for dollar, so go to Hoopshype.com and click on salaries to make sure all fantasy trades are not fantasy. Money must match $ for $.
Trading Bynum or Gasol?
Gasol can only be traded for CP3 or Darren Williams to play PG with Andrew Bynum.
If we move Bynum, we can only get Howard to replace the center positions on both teams. So Gasol for a point gaurd and Bynum for a center. Nothing else makes sense.
That’s why Gasol to Houston is so intriguing, we get four players back.
Trading Odom and pieces for D. Williams also puts Odom and Jay Humphries on the same team so the Kardasian sisters get to attend games together, how cool is that?
I say leave the big’s alone, (that means Odom too). We lost because of the BENCH. I think it would be easier to re-make the bench. Let’s see we lost Farmer & Sasha, and got Barnes & Blake. It did make a difference. As for Luke, Ratliff, Smith, the D league can replace those bums. Maybe coach Brown can lite a fire under the starters. I say we are closer to the championship without a trade than with a trade giving up our big’s.
Yes
Don’t trade the bigs unless you get a player of equal value in return (i.e. a Dwight Howard, CP3, Deron Williams, etc)
But those players’ teams aren’t going to give up those players any time soon… so stand pat rather than trading for a player of lesser quality (i.e. a Monta Ellis, Iguodala, Derrick Williams, etc)
by yesu_ni_mungu on Jun 11, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade
our thousand 2nd rd picks and Gasol for CP3.
We haven’t had a dynamic PG like that since Magic. And Andrew’s production(as well as everyone else) would increase and Kobe’s legs would be younger.
CP3 (and Rondo) is more than incredible at getting players the ball in their spots and setting them up for easy jumpers. Not to mention, he’s got an excellent perimeter game. To me, you add a facilitator, a running mate, and a scorer with CP3.
Not to mention, it would play favor to Mike Brown’s style of basketball.
This talk of Westbrook that i’ve heard is horrible. Westbrook is too caught up in himself and his abilities. He could easily be the best PG in the NBA if he chose to play… PG.
Anyway, CP3. We need him.
Make it happen, Mitch.
Why on earth do people think New Orleans would take Pau in a deal for Paul?
If Paul is leaving NO, they’re immediately rebuilding, and Pau isn’t exactly the age for “young stud player to build around.” Our assets in terms of first rounders and young players to sweeten any potential deal are pretty terrible also.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
CP3 & Darren Williams & Dwight Howard will leave their teams.
The new breed of spoiled athlete will pull all three of these talents from their respective teams for a shot at glory. Orlando will want at least one of the top 3 Centers in the league in return for Howard. Bynum is in that conversation.
However N.J. and N.O. are better off trading their star point gaurds for quality Bigs to bolster their teams. Another point gaurd in N.O. would want a better big to pass to. And the same holds true in N.J. where Gasol would do more for them: allowing a front line of Lopez/Gasol/Outlaw. In N.O. they’d have a front line of Okafor/Gasol/Ariza and they could move David West for a new point gaurd. New Orleans is slipping, and they won’t get better with new point gaurd play. Thats why Gasol could help their “win now” situation. But they won’t get Gasol without sending CP3. Losing CP3 and not getting Gasol could send that franchise into contraction, where only a U.S. moral issue arguement could save it. N.O.‘s future is in jeopardy. Losing $ they have No time to rebuild! Moreover, Sitting still will cost all 3 teams their MVP’s.
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