Draft Night 2011: A Study in Contrasts
Clearly Mitch Kupchak knows something we all don't, as he has defied the draft prognosticators two years in a row by taking a first round talent in the middle of the second round despite having traded away the team's first rounder each time. Last year it was West Virginia's Devin Ebanks, and this year, the Lakers found themselves with the opportunity to take Michigan point guard Darius Morris, who slid from the first round all the way to the Lakers at number 41 and by Kupchak's own admission, would have been the team's first rounder if they still owned the pick. Not to be outdone, Kupchak followed this up at number 46 by selecting combo guard Andrew Goudelock from the College of Charleston before sending Laker Land into a storm of confusion and amusement by drafting Nigerian forward Chukwudiebere Maduabum, who later was sent to Denver for an unspecified second rounder, as well as former Connecticut player Ater Majok at the end of the second round.
Of those picks, Morris and Goudelock have a solid chance of making the team next season while Majok will almost certainly continue to refine his craft overseas. Between Morris and Goudelock, the Lakers could have scarcely picked two different prospects, both in their playing styles and where they came from, as Morris was a key figure at a major and well-respected program in Michigan while Goudelock toiled at the unheralded College of Charleston. The Lakers' bounty in the middle of the second round also stands in stark contrast to their rather unimpressive finish to the draft, similar to the way the Lakers have handled the draft in recent yeas, with the notable exception of Derrick Caracter, who was picked at number 58 in 2010. In any case, after the jump, we'll examine the newest members of the Laker family, how they help fulfill the Lakers' offseason needs, and the implications of how draft night ended.
In full honesty, I hardly entertained the notion that Morris would be available in the middle of the second round, to the extent that I didn't bother to write a scouting report for him in my draft primer. That said, as I noted in my closing remarks, the draft almost always throws a curve ball at most teams, and in this case, the Lakers were able to hit it out of the park. Coming off a solid sophomore campaign at Michigan, Morris was projected as a lottery pick should he return to school for his junior year to enter the draft in 2012. Thankfully for the Lakers, he choose to remain in the draft, and was solidly on the first round bubble for most of the process, although I saw him slip to the early second round in some mock drafts.
As the video Dex put up yesterday can attest to, Morris has legit point guard chops, with most draftniks calling him the purest point guard in the draft. Standing at 6'5.25'' in shoes, an impressive number even by NBA standards, Morris is very adept at running a conventional offense, such that Michigan coach John Beilein adjusted his motion offense into a pick-and-roll and isolation-based one with Morris at the helm. Capable of dribbling through pressure and finding his roll man after a pick as well as finding cutters and shooters, Morris can also test opposing defenses via the threat of penetration and could take the ball all the way to the rim or kick the ball out to the perimeter. He even displayed a flair for the spectacular in his passes every once in a while, not so different from a rather notable Laker legend. One could make a fair argument that although the other points in the draft, from Kyrie Irving to Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker, may be more skilled overall and have higher ceilings, Morris outstrips all of them in terms of sheer court vision and traditional point guard play.
Indeed, the only thing limiting Morris from being considered in the same echelon as those aforementioned players is his lack of a consistent outside shot. While solid from midrange and capable of rising up for a shot after penetrating into the heart of the defense, Morris is very shaky from behind the arc, only managing a meager 25.0 3P% in his sophomore season. It's a testament to the rest of his game that he still managed a respectable 55.0 TS%, courtesy of his accuracy inside the arc and due to the amount of time he was able to get to the line. His size and strength also enabled him to bully opposing guards on drives or in the post, an advantage he will still have in the NBA on most nights. Defensively, Morris has pretty solid chops, and his ability to cover either guard position will likely be appreciated by Mike Brown and his defensive approach to the game, notably insofar as he meshes with the Lakers' other second round selection.
Goudelock is essentially the player you would get if you took nearly all of Morris' strengths and weaknesses at the point and then inverted them for the two guard position. Whereas Morris is a poor outside shooter, Goudelock is a knockdown shooter from range, such that I called him Jimmer-lite in my draft primer. Off the pick-and-roll, Goudelock is capable of knocking down a shot with an inch of space, as versus Morris often using the same set to create for his teammates, and was also capable of using shot fakes to create his own shot in isolation. To his credit, Goudelock is able to run a more conventional offense and possesses respectable court vision, but his mindset on the floor is to look for his own shot. Combined with his 6'2.75'' height in shoes, one can safely label him as a combo guard, although as I noted several times in the primer, that's something the Lakers can live with due to the number of secondary ballhandlers who can initiate the offense in Kobe, Odom, and hopefully now Morris as well.
On the defensive end, Goudelock had problems even in college, even though he clocked the second best lane agility time in the combine at 10.33 seconds. As I noted in the primer, this likely meant that he was average rather than deficient, but it stands to reason that he will have problems in the pros on the defensive end. His height in particular makes it difficult to play him extended minutes at the two unless both teams are going small, and is one reason that his game pairs nicely with fellow draftee Morris, as one could see the two easily switching matchups if they were on the floor together. Goudelock's lack of athleticism is also prevalent in rest of his offensive game, as while he's capable of using fakes to free himself up for a shot, he definitely will have trouble finishing at the rim or dealing with more athletic defenders. Nevertheless, between his lethal shooting ability and ability to run some standard pick-and-roll sets that will definitely be present in Mike Brown's (and Ettore Messina's) offense, he brings a lot of positives to the table.
This is especially relevant in light of the Lakers' offseason needs that I highlighted in the primer, and Morris and Goudelock were clearly selected to fill the role of a point guard capable of running a conventional offense and a shooter respectively. Morris definitely is a guard that can probe a defense, manage the offense off the pick-and-roll, and run the drive and kick sets prevalent in Brown's playbook. With good execution so hard to come by in the triangle last year and Kobe and Odom unable to create for others consistently, Morris is a great addition in terms of a player capable of setting others up in the halfcourt, and he should be able to flourish in the more conventional offense the Lakers will be running. What Goudelock adds is much simpler, as his shooting ability will be a welcome addition to a team that lacked any source of consistent spacing last year, and combined with his half-decent handle, he already should be Derek Fisher's superior in terms of running basic pick-and-roll sets. Although he will find himself spotting up more often than not whenever he finds his way onto the floor, it's valuable that he can initiate the offense if necessary.
As for the end of the Lakers' draft night, one could drive a solid parallel between how the Lakers handled their business at the end of the draft and in the middle of the second round. While Morris and Goudelock were solid selections, the Lakers' last two picks seemed to be an attempt to choose the most obscure player imaginable that wasn't remotely a NBA prospect so they didn't have to pay them, although Minnesota's bumbling David Kahn might have won that contest by somehow managing to pick an ineligible player in Qatar's Targuy Ngombo with pick number 57. Granted, on one hand, this doesn't matter that much in the larger picture. Picks at the end of the second round are the crapshoot of all crapshoots and the possibility that either pick would have made the team this season or at anytime in the near future was very slim. I'm sure even the most diehard Laker fan doesn't remember that the team took Texas A&M forward Chinemelu Elonu with pick number 59 in the 2009 draft, and he's been toiling away on various European teams while showing that he's probably not a NBA prospect ever since. Moreover, the Lakers might have received a second rounder from Denver in exchange for Maduabum, and if it is for next year, the Lakers added a pick in what looks like a very strong 2012 draft in which there is a slightly higher chance that a late second rounder won't be a complete dud.
All that said, it's a bit disappointing when you see your team spend a pick on a player who has absolutely no chance whatsoever of breaking into the league. As the Spurs have shown time and time again, taking the draft seriously is one of the ways teams extend their championship window by utilizing all of the resources available to them. Even if the Lakers weren't interested in taking a player at number 58 that could have competed for a roster spot in Ohio State's David Lighty, Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough, or Washington's Isaiah Thomas, there were plenty of players that showed some promise that could have been stashed in Europe, from American prospects such as San Diego State's Malcolm Thomas, Illinois' Jereme Richmond, and Fresno State's Greg Smith to European players such as Georgia's Giorgi Shermadini or former Oregon center Michael Dunigan. Even if the possibility of those players ever returning to the league from Europe was small, the team loses nothing by giving them the opportunity to succeed rather than punting the pick away for no reason.
I am perhaps being unfair to Ater Majok, who is very long and has displayed some shooting ability, but between his anemic production at Connecticut and his very raw game, he was a far inferior prospect as compared to any of the aforementioned players. In any case, despite the bad taste the Lakers left in our mouths at the end of the draft, Morris and Goudelock definitely make it a successful night, and we hope they make the team and contribute in bringing another banner to L.A. It is also our hope that Laker fans won't have to wait three hours before their first pick next year, and that the team can continue to add young talent onto a still championship core.
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Great article, I especially loved this part.....
there were plenty of players that showed some promise that could have been stashed in Europe, from American prospects such as San Diego State’s Malcolm Thomas, Illinois’ Jereme Richmond, and Fresno State’s Greg Smith to European players such as Georgia’s Giorgi Shermadini or former Oregon center Michael Dunigan.
All of those guys were picks I had my eye on, and hoped LA would genuinely consider.
In the end, I give the Lakers a B+ for their draft. Goudelock was one of my fantasy picks for them, while Morris I never considered simply because I was sure he’d be gone by 41. So they scored an A+ for the first 2 picks. Trading the 56 for a future 2nd rounder was good, but completely blowing the 58 pick still has me annoyed.
Completely agree with you on the part about San Antonio and how they approach the draft. I really wish LA would emulate them, and make better, smarter use of all our picks.
ANNOYED AT PICKS IN LATE SECOND ROUND
What the hell are you talking about? The Lakers had picks no sooner than 41 and had a couple at the end of the 2nd round yet you are annoyed at what they did with those selections. Did they really blow the pick at the end of the second round? #58 which noone gets any worth out of yet you think the Lakers should have been able to pick up up first round talent apparently. Get with Jim Buss. The Lakers did great with what they had to work with. I am very happy with their draft. AT #58 you get garbage or you get lucky. Thats a 99% to 1% scenario. You are too spoiled and need to put it in proper perspective. You act like you could have done so much better with pick #58 out of 60 or so. Ridiculous and absurd.
by John Blazington on Jun 26, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you read my entire comment or just the part about the #58 pick?
If not, let me clarify: I thought LA got two amazing picks with #41 and 46, guys who could easily (especially Morris) have been 1st round picks.
However, imo, there was still some decent picks on the board when we got to #58. Were any of them first rounders? No! And I never implied that! It was a weak draft to begin with, so expecting 1st round talent in the late 2nd round would have been (to use your words) ridiculous and absurd! BUT there were still guys available who were decent prospects, who are younger, and could potentially have a better shot at making the Laker roster in the future than Majok who turns 24 in two weeks time, has played only half a season of college ball and according to reports (on this site and elsewhere) struggled in the weaker Australian professional league.
That was my point! Not that I expected Mitch to find Lebron James, part 2 for the #58 pick. I gave credit for what I loved about the choices, and criticized the one I disliked. Opinions, fun, huh?
Btw, WHY are you yelling????
by SmokeAndAshes on Jun 26, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
B+
If you think i am yelling then i did something wrong and dont know what. B+ is your grade and you base it on a pick at 58. Or it seems that way to me. For middle 2nd round picks i think they did great and shouldnt be brought down by end of draft picks that we arent really counting on anyway. A – A+ in my opinion. But your right, its just my opinion and you have yours and i shouldnt attack you for it. And they are so much fun. I just thought they did a great job and your grade was tough. Maybe Kupchak knew those guys wouldnt get drafted and is planning to invite some of them to camp. Ah the caps is shy i am yelling. I just put the subject in caps but i guess not anymore.
by John Blazington on Jun 26, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, typing in caps was why I questioned the yelling
I just thought they did a great job and your grade was tough
Ok, understood. But I couldn’t give them an A. (Maybe it’s the tutor in me, but I grade harshly, lol)
With that being said, I do agree with you on the first two picks: They were outstanding! Goudelock was one of my fantasy picks for the Lakers and I couldn’t have been happier than we took him. I hadn’t even hoped for Morris, because I was sure he would be gone by the time we got to #41. So overall, LA had a really good draft.
by SmokeAndAshes on Jun 26, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Um, calm down, alright?
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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San Antonio has the best organization in the league, hands down
For example, their 59th (?) pick was Adam Hanga, who actually might be able to play in the NBA.
But I consider the taking of Morris and Goudelock to a degree to be such a steal that I didnt care too much what happened in the next couple picks.
I want Morris to start next year: does anyone think it is a possibility? Or will he have to “learn” from Derek Fisher?
He could teach fish
How to be young and tall.
It's gonna be OK.
I think Blake will eventually become the starter.
With Fisher and Morris splitting the remainder of the minutes.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Fisher isn't being benched unless the Lakers get somebody genuinely better than him
Right now, that person doesn’t exist. But Blake definitely isn’t starting over him.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
OK, the Spurs got lucky with Parker & Ginobili long ago
San Antonio has the best organization in the league, hands down
But I REALLY enjoyed watching their highly touted 2007 1st round draft pick (28th overall) “Tiago Splitter” struggle to get off the bench in the playoffs and be completely outplayed by Marc Gasol.
If I remember correctly, Gasol was drafted in 2007 too but in the second round (at 48th I think) by one of those hapless non-Spur teams. Let’s see, I forget, who was it that drafted Gasol again?
I know they are both young but I’m guessing The Grizz are happy they have/had Gasol.
I’m happy to see them get credit for having “the best organization in the league” and just let the Lakers keep piling up championships. Plus it makes it even more fun (for me at least) to watch them get bounced out of the playoffs in the 1st or 2nd round year after year (after year).
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
by lazNirv on Jun 25, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding me right now?
The Spurs drafting of Parker and Ginobili was not luck: it was that the Spurs did much more overseas scouting at the time than most NBA teams, and knew the worth of those players.
Tiago Splitter was not given enough time to develop all year, and Spurs fans had been calling for him to get more playing time since December.
The Spurs have also picked up George Hill, a decent combo guard, who nobody ever heard of, as well as DaJuan Blair at #37, an unheard of player named Gary Neal who lit up the NBA from 3 point range last year, and others.
The Lakers have been great because they made one great steal with the Pau Gasol trade, and because of a deal made in 1996 for the greatest player of this generation.
by NewCavsfan on Jun 25, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DIFFERENT SITUATIONS
Yes the Spurs have been great in the draft but put it in on even ground. The Lakers havent had a first round pick in 3 years. And when they have had a first round pick it is very late in the round. The year they got Parker, the Lakers didnt even have a pick in the first round. The year the Spurs got ginobli at #57, a Great great pick but name another player of that caliber drafted that late. Plus he was a european player in 1999 which was before euro players had an impact in the nba. They were judged as inferior back then. He was part of the first wave of truly great euro players to make the transition to the nba along with dirk, pau and parker. Its not like the Spurs have done that ever again with a pick that late. You chalk it up to preparation. knowledge and luck. The Lakers have held their own with their late/end of round selections.
by John Blazington on Jun 26, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You are right about their scouting, but...
The statement “San Antonio has the best organization in the league, hands down” just does not acknowledge that there are other ways to build a club. San Antonio is a small market club who got ‘lucky’ with losing David Robinson and winning the lottery the year Tim Duncan came out. They also invested in overseas scouting before it became fashionable because they could get better talent before the other clubs found out about this technique.
The OKC organization is also pretty good – although their GM did come from San Antonio – but uses a different technique to build. They also got lucky that Greg Oden was in the same draft when they picked up the 2nd pick. Count Portland as the most unlucky draft club of the last 25 years.
The point here is that there are a number of well run clubs. These clubs also have to get a bit lucky, but they do have very good draft habits and know when to take advantage of their luck.
by Craig Weightman on Jun 26, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is that the Spurs get a little too much credit
as being the smartest front office, best run organization, all that kinda crap.
I’ll restrict my comments to the draft to stay on topic of this fanpost. But as John B. said above, Ginobili was drafted in 1999 & Parker in 2001. But grab a calendar NewCavsfan that was 10 frickin’ years ago.
And my example of 2007, the Spurs took Splitter 1st round; the Lakers drafted Marc Gasol in the 2nd round. Splitter may be “the next Tim Duncan” but he’s got plenty of work to do just to catch up to M. Gasol.
Or your example of the Spurs drafting D. Blair a year or two ago. M.Gasol & Randolph torched him in the playoffs so maybe he ain’t the greatest thing ever – or at least needs some more development.
That year I think the Lakers sold their 1st round pick for $1mil and used the money to resign Shannon Brown. That seemed like a pretty good move at the championship parade.
Lastly, as we head toward the 2012 NBA season, their last title is almost 5 years old now. I’ll give them credit for making the Conference Finals in 2008, but since then, 1st round exit; 2nd round sweep; 1st round exit is a lot closer to average than to “championship caliber”.
But gush about the Spurs all you want. Watching them faceplant in the playoffs took some of the sting out of the Lakers’ early exit.
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
Shannon Brown is awful for one thing
Dont even talk to me about resigning him, I dont want to see him play basketball ever again.
Apparently you missed my point entirely: the Spurs made great moves BECAUSE they were 10 years ahead of their time. Blair is a solid role player, which is a great pickup in the 2nd round.
Marc Gasol has been given a ton more minutes and exposure to the NBA than Splitter because he wasnt backing up Tim Duncan. They also lost to a Memphis team that would have kicked the crap out of the Lakers this year, and they put up a fight while doing it.
I dont even like the Spurs, but your arguments are just rediculous.
OK dude think what you want
But you’re the one who said “San Antonio has the best organization in the league, hands down”. Maybe that was true 10 years ago but now they are closer to 1st & 2nd round playoff fodder than a championship team.
(And I didn’t say Shannon Brown was great. My only point was things worked out OK 2010. Maybe in spite of Shannon. I doubt a late 1st round pick would have been better back then.)
"Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it." olf
Hmmm
Am I the only one who thinks Morris was the steal of the draft?
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
I just watched
A six minute highlight of this guy, and although they were highlights, I am impressed to say the least. He is quick and fast in the open court. Finds driving and passing lanes in the half-court, and has good reflexes on defense. So I am with you on the steal of the draft, yes.
It's gonna be OK.
He needs to get the Kobe shooting program
Indeed, the only thing limiting Morris from being considered in the same echelon as those aforementioned players is his lack of a consistent outside shot
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
If it's the same program ebanks and brown were on,
then we can expect to see a few months of great shooting followed by a steady decline into chucking mediocrity.
Thats not on the program
Thats on the player and PT
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
lol
if u don’t keep up the program these things happen
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Kobe needs to get on a shooting program
32% on threes last year… his worst season from behind the arc since 2001-02.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 25, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kobe should get a copy of Dirk's shooting program.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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Yea but how many of those were deep contested chucks?
Or just Kobe being Kobe. He takes a lot of threes he shouldn’t take, and when he misses them that brings that percentage down.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
where is kobe at right now in terms of all-time scoring? 4-5 on the list?
i think his shooting is good where its at. now the ill advised, ill agree with some.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jun 26, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Kobe's shooting percentage does not take everything into account
Since some are fixated on this I ask them how many times does Kobe end up with the ball when the offense stalls and he is forced to try and make something happen with just a few seconds left on the clock?
I am sure he has anywhere from 3 to 5 times per game where he has to take a crazy shot because the offense could not get a play executed.
That probably does not affect his percentage a lot but it does some.
Kobe settles for 3s
and heat checks like every other player. He doesn’t shoot well enough on regular 3s to make up for it tho.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Too many heat check 3s
that’s for sure.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
a chucker's gotta chuck
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Give it to me straight, doc.
Are either of these guys going to see any significant minutes next year?
unless someone whos last name
starts with pau and their first name with a c
"This team is going to win regardless of if I get 15 points or if I get four points. That’s the kind of team we are," he said. "But this team won’t win if we don’t have defensive toughness on the inside. I just think that’s the biggest thing I can bring." – Andrew Bynum
ends up on the team
"This team is going to win regardless of if I get 15 points or if I get four points. That’s the kind of team we are," he said. "But this team won’t win if we don’t have defensive toughness on the inside. I just think that’s the biggest thing I can bring." – Andrew Bynum
you made me think a little bit there
got me confused w. pau gasol :P
"I got my caveman club," -- THE BLACK MAMBA
these are good picks
both guys complement each other nicely with their strengths. Hopefully Mike Brown give them some quality minutes and not just garbage time. As for the last two picks, I’m still kinda disappointed. Lighty was a sound all-around player (Afflalo-esque) who was available multiple times. He maybe could have been a nice backup to Kobe with Shannon bound to leave town. Sticking him in that spot would be not just a cheaper option (since you dont have to spend MLE money on a FA) but a better long term option since the guy is young and has some upside. Its a shame we couldnt have given him a chance.
Chukwudiebere Maduabum FTW!!!!!!!
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The one thing about Phil, from a fan's point of view is that
rookies and young players had a hard time cracking the rotation. Even during the regular season, with Brown not playing so well, you would think Ebanks would have been given more minutes. I hope Brown gives these players a better chance of playing.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
For the first two picks: YAY!!!!!!!!
Last two picks: LMAO!!!!!!!!! BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
I still think they should have looked at josh selby
Hes very athletic and was highly touted out of high school. Sure he had a really bad season last year, but thats the kind of low risk high reward player that a championship team can afford to take
That's a fair stance
Especially at #46, although at the same time, you can’t blame the team for preferring a safer option in Goudelock because of all the red flags Selby put up between his play at Kansas and the medical concerns at the combine.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Yeah, I was hoping for Selby too
He would’ve been a nice high-upside play.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 25, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Great stuff, Ben
Especially if Shannon Brown leaves, there will be minutes available for both of these guys. I’d love to see Morris run some P&R with our bigs.
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Apparently our 58th pick isn't "the most horrible thing" that we've been making it out to be
http://middletownpress.com/articles/2011/06/24/sports/doc4e0564e2dd1449520
a friendly article to be sure, but notice how the Lakers gave him an individual workout.
this wasn’t just a throwaway pick
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jun 25, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions
It's pretty close to a throwaway pick
He averaged less than six points a game, on 50% shooting, in the Australian league. Those are pretty terrible numbers for a big-man prospect. Never say never, I guess, but I’d be shocked if we ever see him in a Laker uniform.
In his Friday chat, Bucher put forth a theory to explain what was going on at the end of the draft:
Q: Was it just me or did it seem like the last few picks in the second round sounded like a United Nations role call? Even Fran seemed surprised to see those many international players drafted.
Bucher: A GM told me late last night that a lot of teams, anticipating a lockout and not seeing a player they just had to have, decided to pick players they absolutely knew wouldn’t try to come over. Pick a U.S. player and chances are he has an agent who has some other player you really might like. Now you’ve got to play nice with him to have a shot at the other guy. Drafting dudes from Qatar is the closest thing to taking a pass the GMs could do.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 25, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats a great theory, and I don't mind buying it
I just don’t like how a lot of people are claiming that the Lakers punted this pick, when in fact it seems like they put a fair amount of effort into making the 58th pick in the draft.
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jun 25, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
It really is a simpleton mindset to think the Lakers should have taken Lighty or Hansborough or whomever when you consider that they are not likely to make the roster at all. So what happens then? Do they play in the NBDL or overseas? Do the Lakers still have their rights then? Turning the 56th pick into a future second was a great move. Now Mitch has another pick to use in future drafts on a player or as trade bait.
The 58th pick could end up being a waste. But I would rather take a shot on a big guy developing rather than a run of the mill Lighty or Hansborough type. It is hard to find 6-11 big guys who can play. Now maybe this kid never pans out. So be it.
There is a reason players like Lighty, Hansborough, and others were PASSED ON by ALL the teams in the draft. Not just the Lakers. But some here seem to believe that they are that good and can be developed. That is fair but the Lakers decided not to do that. I am OK with that.
For a team that won back to back titles and then won 57 games this year, I think they added some players that have a chance to make the roster. They added two last year and now two this year. You cannot expect much more than that. Personally I would like to add some veterans over the rookies. But if they can get these four to make the team and develop then the last two drafts will have been a major success!
Except that doesn't excuse the fact that Giorgi Shermadini and Michael Dunigan were far better prospects
Considering that both have actually produced in much better foreign leagues against far superior competition. Shermadini in particular was a good contributor for Panathinikos, which is one of the best teams in Euroleague play and is miles head of anything Majok has shown so far in his career. We’re not even getting to Jereme Richmond or Malcolm Thomas, both of whom were able to produce in college, had high upside due to their athleticism, and were easy Euro-stash picks. And I’d hardly call Hansbrough or Lighty “run of the mill” considering that they were solid college players whereas Majok was a miserable disappointment at Connecticut. Any of these prospects would have been a more defensible choice than Majok, who has failed to produce at basically any level whatsoever.
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No, it wasn't pretty close to a throwaway pick.
How about reading the article about him.
The interesting thing is that, at 6’11", he may have been forced to play the wrong position. He can’t bang with the players down low, but has to play more out on the perimeter. The key thing is that he may have defensive chops out there. Can you imagine a 6’11" player able to move and defend on the perimeter. I don’t care that he couldn’t shoot, and that isn’t a known thing yet, if he can defend smaller people on the perimeter he can cheat on his man and still get back to block shots or stop the shot from behind.
This would be a fantastic talent on the 2nd unit. We may have a couple of years to wait, but I bet Lakers try to influence his current team to play him at the three.
by Craig Weightman on Jun 26, 2011 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
it seems like a rare talent.
he’d have to show pretty decent lateral movement, and he’d have to have a higher motor in order to chase players around multiple picks, but at that height he won’t have to be insanely athletic to contest perimeter shots whilst still offering a little lane protection.
it appears that the Lakers have pegged his ceiling at a lot higher than most of the blogosphere has given him credit for
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jun 26, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Yay
we’ll be competing for championships again once Kobe, Pau, and LO are no longer under contract. smh
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LOL @ telling Dex "How about reading the article about him."
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It wasn't that ridiculous of a request
Dex didn’t reference the article in his reply, and his apparent lack of change in his stance on the subject (not an actual lack of change, because he talked about something else instead of directly replying) would make it look like he hadn’t taken my point seriously.
That’s not what actually happened, but I can see why it would look that way.
For the record, the pick is still a reach – I agree with Dex there. I don’t care how awe-inspiring someone is in an individual workout, if he had the goods he would have produced more than the stats that Dex mentions above.
However, the fact that the Lakers gave him an individual workout, and that they seemed to have specifically targeted his potential to because a special player (in terms of skill-set + length) demonstrates for me that the Lakers didn’t just punt this pick (like the Wolves did one pick later) as many in the blogosphere are angrily insinuating.
Bottom line, If you say the Lakers punted this pick, then you are definitely wrong. However, if you say this pick probably won’t pan out, then yeah, you’re probably on to something there.
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jun 26, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Easy there, cowboy
I read the article. It just didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 26, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
They can't "influence" anything about his overseas team
They’re going to play him as they please, and if he doesn’t pan out wherever they put him, they’ll get rid of him. Their last priority is anything a distant team across the ocean wants them to do, as it’s irrelevant as far as they’re concerned. Given that he’s been pretty terrible overseas in a league far inferior to say the Euroleague, whereas there were prospects available at #58 that had produced at that level, I don’t hold a whole lot of hope for his future development.
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All Darius Morris has to do is lock himself in the gym with
Andrew Goudelock cuz if anyone can put the ball in the hoop from range Goudelock can!
Then maybe Kobe needs to be on Goudelock's shooting program.
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I would prefer he use Kobe's plan
which works on footwork to create separation, while only sometimes settling way out from 3
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the more i see highlights of morris and goudelock, the i am of the opinion that they 1. make the cut 2. get good minutes and 3. sit dfish and make blake expendable for that never-gonna-happen-yet d12 trade
morris might be the injection of life the lakers need especially on the break. however, this may be better suited for the 2nd unit which i don’t have problems with. the starting 5 may start fisher and will be more deliberate, slow, methodical and defensive-minded. this leaves blake the odd man out. with some apparently false (at this point i wish one of these rumors panned out to be true) rumor of d12+duhon for bynum+odom+pick (which i would consider), why not put blake, another cheap role player like and pick for d12 and duhon or d12 and q.rich? the more i try trade machine, the easier i find orlando as a trade partner. we’d have to take back something though whether it be turk’s bad contract or even agent zero (nah). but for d12 and with bynum whining? something’s gotta give.
I see an interesting way our 1st two second round picks get into the game.
I think Morris will get the greater amount of time, but will be rotated to the second unit as Blake gets more time with the first unit. The reason is that the second unit needs someone who can handle the ball and direct play so that the other players can be more effective. He also will not have to guard the best PG on the opposing team.
Goudelock will see fewer minutes, but will probably play with the first unit – perhaps at the end of the 2nd qtr. The reason is that both Kobe and Odom can handle the PG duties, but they really need a knockdown shooter to keep the defense from collapsing in on Pau and Bynum. They can better cover his defensive liabilities with Andrew patrolling the paint.
by Craig Weightman on Jun 26, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeeze
This discussion of San Antonio being a better organization than the Lakers is fantasy. That they are even close is a testament to how good they are, but to simply assume they are better is just wrong headed.
I especially don’t buy the idea that they are somehow better at drafting players than the Lakers are. 82games.com did an analysis on this very subject and rated LA 3rd best over the last 20 years and San Antonio 4th. I don’t care how you analyze it, both teams are very successful.
last 20 years is a lot different from much more recent history
and San Antonio has been much more superior at it.
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jun 26, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
look at the guys they've been able to get in just the last 4 years
George Hill
Dejuan Blair
Goran Dragic
Tiago Splitter
Gary Neal
the Lakers are no where near as adept as them in scouting/drafting talent these days.
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Ah I was just referencing the internet
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-06-26/
not really a dig at you
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jun 26, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, should be since Pop took over, which is when the modern Spurs era began
Not to mention that they’ve had to maintain their success while 1) not going over the tax, which they didn’t break until they traded for Richard Jefferson a few years ago 2) being in San Antonio, which meant that they couldn’t attract major free agents and had to deal with much more roster turnover 3) never picked in the lottery again after taking Duncan and were almost always picking at the end of the first or second round.
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They do a great job
only in recent years can anyone really say some of their front office moves have been suspect because they kinda got away from their formula since TD is aging and they need to change the roster to account for that
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kobe is going to the philippines again! (but, again, won't be able to see him)
but the main event will be happening at Araneta Coliseum at 5pm where Kobe will be joined by players from Nike sponsored teams – FEU Tamaraws, DLSU Green Archers, ADMU Blue Eagles and Smart Gilas Pilipinas.
i can say kobe can beat all of those teams single-handedly
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