Wednesday Chatstravaganza: Draft And Trade Rumors!
by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 12:48 PM PDT
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PrintWe're just about one earth rotation away from the start of the 2011 draft, and the rumors are kicking about furiously. Like the one where the Lakers are lusting for Anderson Varejao. Or the one where David Kahn has a fiendish plan to steal Andrew Bynum. Most of these are so thumpingly stupid that even I, the whoriest of page-view whores, can't bring myself to give them their own front-page posts, but that doesn't mean they're not fun to talk about. And really, what else do we have to do today. So this is your comprehensive, all-purpose thread to hash over, ridicule and argue for whatever trade and draft rumors you come across.
If you haven't done so already, make sure to study Ben's extremely thorough Laker draft preview here. You can also read my (much less informed) thoughts about the draft at SBN Los Angeles.
Go on, knock yourselves out!
Update with actual, non-rumory news (4:10 p.m.): The Lakers offered Lamar Odom to Minnesota for the number-two pick but were turned down. The hope was to draft Derrick Williams. (Via the LA Times.)
HIGHLY rumory update (4:40 p.m.): The Lakers and 76ers may be talking Lamar Odom for Andre Iguodala. Ron Artest could be included in the deal as well. I think I just pooped a little. (Via Sports Illustrated.)
From Eric Pincus of HOOPWORLD (5:05 p.m.): "FYI - Kobe loves, loves Iguodala. Share an agent. Very tight." (Via Twitter.)
Self-serving update (6:20 p.m.): I've posted some brief thoughts on Odom-for-Iguodala over at SBN Los Angeles.
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I prefer keeping Pau and Lamar
and the last thing I want is to re-create the Cavs in LA. I hope this is a baseless rumor because it would damage the confidence I’ve developed in Mike Brown after accepting his arrival.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
EDIT 2011: "The Lakers were ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas."
didn't you just give them a front page post?
whore.
"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher
you could say it's Kahn-ical!
thank you, i’ll be here thursdays.
"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher
So what are you doing here today?
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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working overtime, I guess?
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by bengalithugg13 on Jun 22, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL, as long as he knows I'm teasing him.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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I know ur style...
Just funnier left that way. Way to ruin it.
"Thoughts are aplenty. Most of 'em not good." - Derek Fisher
by _logan_ on Jun 22, 2011 6:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL, some others are sensitive so I wanted to reassure them as well.
My bad.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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any progress on the Luke for Kyrie Irving trade talks?
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
by shaqfor3 on Jun 22, 2011 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm hearing it's imminent
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you know we're getting ripped off right?
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
by nyyrocks29 on Jun 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would love a Gasol for Love + 2nd Pick (likely Williams) trade...
but that won’t happen as the Wolves aren’t giving up both Love and the pick.
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
Just out of curiosity..
Are people interested in Kevin Love, the two pick, and possibly Johnny Flynn for Pau Gasol? I’ve heard that trade rumor going around and thought it was absolutely worth it, though on recent readings I’m hearing that it isn’t the right trade for both teams. Personally, I feel it would be an awesome trade for the Lakers.
I think Dirk officially ended that arguement this year
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It was more sarcasm on my part.
I never thought he was the consensus best in the world by individual means.
It would be for the Lakers....
But the Wolves won’t bite….
A more realistic scenario would be Gasol for Williams, Flynn, Darko, and Anthony Randolph.
The Lakers would move Odom into the starting PF position (which may actually improve the team as he provides better defense and spacing than Pau), Flynn becomes the PG of the future, Darko becomes the back-up to Bynum with Gasol leaving, and Randolph provides a young athletic back-up PF behind Odom. Williams would then be the starting SF or at least he would get a ton of minutes because he will probably be better than Artest this year.
But it won’t happen… like most trade talks…. all smoke no fire.
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I like Love...
we already have an All-Star caliber PF waiting for more minutes and that is Lamar Odom. That is why I would be open to moving Pau so long as we filled the two holes in the roster (SF and PG) with players that are young and can shoot along with a back-up PF/C to fix the depth that we would lose.
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Odom isn't getting any younger either though
It sure would be nice to get Love, who not only is a great player now but is gonna be 22 next year I think and can be a big piece in the Lakers lineup for years. And I really think that he’s the type of player who would play well together with Andrew Bynum as well.
Filling all those needs would be nice and certainly give more depth, but the Lakers should get more than that if they’re giving up an All-Star caliber talent like Gasol.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
We've had Odom for ages and have given him plenty of playing time before
and yet he has still never been an All-Star.
Do you really want Odom to become our 2nd option again? I don’t think I trust Bynum’s wobbly knees to take up the role of 2nd option either.
any truth to N.O. wanting Bynum, Pau and Kobe for CP3, Okafor, and West
along with few bench players, with Stern planning to move N.O. to Los Angeles? and Buss to avoid certain taxes relocation of Lakers to south of Mississippi?
I heard that on the radio this morning. Might be something to it.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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right socal, im not calling you a liar or anything, you have the inside track beofre anyone else on here...
but to forsee sending 3 all-stars, for cp3, and undersized pf, and damaged goods? lika i said, n.o is smoking some damn good cajun gunja over there at the swamps! give me a break N.O.!
by Mark Jaramillo on Jun 22, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Your sarcasm meter is busted all to hell and back.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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LOL, seriously.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
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how bout this, trade bynum for the number 2 pickand some bench guys ..get derrick williams.and sign dalembet from the kings for a year .. and then next year sign dwight
Varejao
I like the aggressiveness he brings, I always said he couldn’t start for any other team besides the Cavs so I’d expect him to be big off the bench. Looking at him compared to who’s there (Smith and Ratliff) I don’t think it’s a bad idea.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
MIN rejected LAL's offer of Odom for #2 Pick
Per Brad Turner from the LA Times (http://bit.ly/lvKZbD)
On another note, it’s almost hilarious to see MIN thinking they’re operating from a position of strength, when everyone knows, MIN is walking on thin ice. All this Kanter at #2 talk? The stronger it gets, the most assured we can be that MIN WON’T take Kanter there.
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
I honestly don't think
that the lakers will make a move of that nature. I mean the one thing that makes the lakers stand out in the NBA is their size advantage. yes, they don’t execute their advantage inside as well but trading one of your BIGS wouldn’t solve their issues entirely. their rotation of Pau, Drew, and LO makes them unlike any other team in the league. They just need to tweak the team a little bit, fix their spacing issues and with some luck we’ll be talking about chip # 17 next year.
i havent been keeping up with the rumors with the wolves besides the pau for love...
can someone please tell me what, and why the wolves are dangling the #2 pick for? like what do they really need? besides pf? i really dont see why minn would reject odom, the guy is 6-10, and can handle the rock like a pg, can love do that? no. so if the cavs do nab irving, is he really the pick the wolves covet? if thats the case, you would think kahn would be trying to wheel and deal with the spurs for parker. but then again, i really dont know what minnesota really wants to use the #2 pick as trade bait for. someone pls explain.
the have a glut of forwards.
their rotation is Love, Beasley, Randolph and occasionally Johnson (although he was used ineffectively as a 2 last year). drafting williams with the # 2 wouldn’t make sense from a bball standpoint because there’s no room for him
but seriously, if i were Minny
i would keep the # 2 and nab williams. like having too many “talented” forwards is a problem in the NBA.. geez, let the coach fix the rotation when the season starts up again
that's a lot given up for Iggy..
i like what iggy brings, but we’re just throwing away our size advantage and losing another backup to Drew..
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else." – John Madden
by bengalithugg13 on Jun 22, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I would do it....
Artest long term contract is more of a hinderance than an asset, especially as he has declined. Odom for Iggy straight up is an even swap, having them take Artest as well to reduce salary makes it even better. We still have Barnes as a back-up SF plus Kobe can play there too.
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Would still like to take back Williams or Speights though
I agree that I would do that deal, but it would be nice to fill other spots in the rotation at the same time.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
so this is unbelievably stupid
chadfordinsider: Suns and Wolves did talk about a Nash deal w/No. 2 pick going back to Phoenix. ESPN.com link w/STEIN_LINE_HQ: es.pn/liYxw5
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
Trade odom, his value will never be higher than what it is now
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." -Vin Scully
i change my mind, keep him and package him to orlando
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." -Vin Scully
I don't any reason why the Lakers should trade anyone that involves them losing size
or the height advantage they have over other teams. Unless it involves Howard. Personally, the Lakers need to address the issues that got them swept:
Inconsistent outside shooters
Weakest PG combo in the league
An additional wing player who can create his own shot
Horrible bench
1-6 the lakers have the best line up in all the NBA. It is the role players that need an overhaul. The issue is that the lakers can’t trade for anyone decent with the players that they have that isn’t a starter or LO.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
by Jelly Bean on Jun 22, 2011 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
* I don't see any
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
by Jelly Bean on Jun 22, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Problem is
It’s very, very hard to address those issues if you’re not willing to part with something other teams want. And their bigs are the only things the Lakers have that other teams want.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
pretty much everyone outside of the bigs is dead weight. No GM would want them.
We can either do two things I guess with the roster this offseason. Ship out Odom or Gasol for younger pieces/draft picks or stick with the core and sign someone with our MLE money to help the bench.
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
As you correctly suggest
You can’t really say, “Let’s hold onto all the bigs and fix this other stuff.” It’s an either/or thing.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
but if you could pick either/or,
what would you go for? i’d still stick with the bigs because that’s what makes this team unique. it’s not like this team as currently constructed can’t win it all. say they’re able to add a shooter off the bench, couple that with an improved attitude on both sides of the floor and i like our chances.
Not necessarily
We have 4 second round picks right? The silver lining to Phil being gone is that the “rookies don’t play” theory is gone. We can get a point guard and get some shooters off the bench to try out and see if they can actually contribute right away. It’s been working for the Spurs the last few years. I think that’s what Jelly Bean was hinting at. We don’t need to do anything major unless it involves guys like Dwight Howard/Chris Paul/ or even Kevin Love.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we're getting an immediate contributor in the draft
The picks aren’t even high second round. They start at 41 and go south from there. If you’re lucky, you end up with someone who can play 8-10 minutes a night. More likely, it’s D-league material and guys to stash in Europe. The percentage of guys drafted 41 and above who turn into contributors at any point in their careers, let alone as rookies, is very low.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying we're looking to draft the heir to Kobe
We probably won’t even get a good PG prospect. But most realistically what we can get, and what I feel is our most important need off the bench is a spot up shooter. Kyle Korver was taken 51st, James Jones was picked at 49th. Those are just a few guys.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup that is the main issue
Sucks.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
well
the trade would address this
An additional wing player who can create his own shot
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
True
and he can play D.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
is the draft on?
im getting espn news…
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Tomorrow.
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smh
ive been so pumped for this draft i keep thinking it was today
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Players to hope drop to #41
3 Big 10 guys…
PG- Darius Morris…be shocked if he dropped this far but he’d be a great pick.
SF – David Lighty…he might be here…NBA athlete…nba level defense
PF – JuJuan Johnson …I think he has the potential to be Rasheed Wallace level good..not immediately but in the coming years.
Lighty would be nice
we need three point shooting
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
thing is he's not that great of 3 pt shooter
was inconsistent at Ohio State…his jumper doesnt look smooth.
Morris cant shoot outside either, but he’s a pure PG.
he can defend though
which might be useful in select situations.
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
I am actually really excited for this year's draft
Maybe we could trade up 2 or 3 of our 2nd rounders for a late 1st or something, if there is a PG or C we have our eyes on.
I want a PG (preferably 2) who can shoot the 3, a big who could back up Drew for 5-10 minutes a night, and a wing who can hit the 3. Asking for a lot isnt it?
Iggy for odom and Ron
If they throw lou Williams in there also I would for one would be satisfied.
It's gonna be OK.
the 76'ers get older and probably worse in that scenario
And more expensive.
Does sound great for the Lakers though
Their getting older
Either way ,lol.
It's gonna be OK.
Not more expensive
Lamar has only one more guaranteed year on his deal. Ron has three, but even those two guys together don’t add up to the dollars owed on Iggy’s contract. The Sixers would get significant payroll flexibility out of the trade.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't you or Ben
Propose a trade for iggy, but w/ pau instead of LO?
It's gonna be OK.
Yeah, I did. Pau, Blake, and Caracter for Iggy, Williams, and Speights.
If we’re doing Odom/Artest for Iggy, I’d like either Speights or Williams back in that deal to fill some holes in the rotation.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
No Way
I don’t see this happening unless Mitch flips Iggy to the Wolves for that 2nd pick,or they work out a deal where the Wolves draft Williams and then they agree to a deal for Williams and Iggy like West did with Vlady and Kobe.Iggy and Kobe play the same position don’t they and I don’t see Mitch bringing him here at 14 mil to come off the bench to relieve Kobe.I will say this though with all these rumors and all I can see mitch making some kind of big deal to help us and all of it have very excited to see what’s going to happen tomorrow
by LakersMania on Jun 22, 2011 5:54 PM PDT reply actions
Iggy's a 3, not a 2
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, think you can call him a swingman.
Can probably play either spot easily.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Draft express has us drafting Shelvin Mack with the 41st pick
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
nbadraft.net has us taking Chandler Parsons at 41
All these draft websites are way off base though. Although I think Mack would be an excellent pick.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to have him or Thomas
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
Agree
Normally I’m not a big fan of the undersized point guards but after years of watching guys like Aaron Brooks, Ty Lawson, and JJ Barea kill us, we need one of those guys.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Isaiah Thomas or Nolan Smith could do that.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant
http://twitter.com/asianmon
True. But Nolan Smith is 6'2, hardly a little runt.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Parsons won't last that long
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
yes
WojYahooNBA: Y! Sources: Minnesota has decided to fire coach Kurt Rambis, but will wait until after NBA Draft to make it official. http://t.co/Gft9p9c
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
LOL, a little late for that.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
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I want Iggy on the Lakers
Even if it costs us Lamar, that’d one deal I would love!
Iguodala
Odom and Artest for a younger Iguodala who can play small forward and shooting guard? Am I the only person who thinks this is a great idea? Ice Cube said there’s no wear down in Kobe, Iguodala could make that a legitimate statement. Imagine Iguodala at small forward and Kobe at shooting guard, that alone is a guaranteed scoring duo. Now imagine the much younger Iguodala moves to shooting guard when Kobe sits, you lose very little there. Unlike in the past when Phil had to do so much shuffling at the guard position because there wasn’t a legitimate replacement when Kobe left the game. Iguodala adds another two years to Kobe’s career. I hope this trade happens.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Iguodala for Odom and Artest is a steal.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Shhh
Don’t let Philly know that
It's gonna be OK.
Philly
They love Iguodala, that’s why this trade rumor is so shocking to me.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
They've been talking
About trading him for awhile now, not sure why though. Maybe his salary?
It's gonna be OK.
Salary
Probably so I don’t see any other reason why you trade your best player, unless he fight dogs or shoots himself.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
dolla dolla bills, y'all
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He's their franchise player
but there’s just one problem…
He’s not a franchise player
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Yea he's a...
What I like to call, Super role-player, a lot like Pau. He won’t win you a championship by himself, but give him 1 or 2 guys better than him, and he’s in perfect position to succeed.
It's gonna be OK.
Iguodala
If traded to us will be the second best player on the team, If Gasol stays he’ll be the third best. I’m still upset with Gasol
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
I don't think pau is goin anywhere
It's gonna be OK.
Don't forget about bynum
It's gonna be OK.
Fourth best behind Kobe/Gasol/Bynum
And as I’ve said before, I think he’ll look fantastic as a fourth wheel.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
lol
Iggy isn’t the second best player on a championship winning team
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Don't know how he thought he would
possibly be the second best player
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Simple
Gasol is considered by many the second best player on the team, he’s let us down too many times before, I’d say Iguodala is better than Gasol so there you go.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
But then the question becomes
is he better than Bynum??
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Better
Yes he’s better than Bynum but not more important. Bynum’s effort heavily influence the entire team’s success.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Right
So we don’t need him! Let’s trade Bynum!
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
As stated before, we've won two titles with a limping Bynum
Yet how is he considered more important than Gasol?
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
The comparison was Iguodala and Bynum.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Does anyone know what happened to the Lakers trade exception
when they traded Sasha? Is that something that they can trade or use? I’m not sure how that works?
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
I think it compensates
For the salary gap between two players if their salaries don’t match.
It's gonna be OK.
It can only be used if the salary of the player acquired fits under it
So the Lakers could only use it to acquire a player whose salary is under $5M.
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense
When I used the trade machice for a iggy & Lou Williams ; odom artest trade it used the exception on Lou
It's gonna be OK.
that makes sense. Thnx.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Thnx Daddy..lol
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
They still have it until the official lockout occurs.
So theoretically, they could trade for some worth $5 million or so……..like Boobie Gibson.
That is actually a good thing. I don't know about Boobie though
I wish they could get someone like Rudy Fernandez.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Rambis just got fired
fuckin sucks
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
he did a pretty terrible job up there
"Shaq finished his career 1-22 from 3-point range, which would have made him one of the better shooters on this year’s Laker playoff squad." - D4P
Anyone who spent the first month of the season
playing Tolliver over Love deserves to be fired. Period!!!
by Actuarially Sound on Jun 22, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Bring on Iggy
Odom for Iggy? Yeah, I’d do that deal. And if we can move Artest too all the better. I like Ron Ron but he tends to be trouble the longer he sticks around in one place.
your 2011-2012 los angeles lakers (if every stupid rumor ended up happening)
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
by hobojarpen on Jun 22, 2011 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
tell me please
WHY Kevin has Adam Morrison’s number?
Seriously, the fact that AMMO’s number hasn’t been retired and that he doesn’t have a statue already is completely ridiculous and a sign of disrespect!
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
Nice
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Jun 22, 2011 9:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Laker trade
Hi, nubie here from Jakarta, been a Laker fan for a long time. Angry and disappointed with last season. Belief that major shakeup to roster is needed ’coz on KB24 is hungry for more while most of rest are plenty happy with a single ring.
How ’bout shipping Gasoft to Wolves for 2nd pick + Love and then sending the pick to Spurs + Odom for Parker? Then trade Bynum straight up (largely) with Howard.
My fantasy trade which has a dose of reality to it (I think) so don’t shoot me for it. I do believe that without a major shake-up and largely fresh start we will see a repeat of last season.
It always perplexes me how professional athletes who gets paid A LOT (especially in today’s financial hardship) can be allowed not to give their 150% every time they are performing for only 2-4 hours / game!
Cheers.
If you're still here
Why don’t you tell me an NBA store in Jakarta.
Kobe is hated for winning; LeBron is hated for losing.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 22, 2011 8:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn!
Oh well, enjoy your stay.
Kunjungi The Bar untuk kenyamanan perbincangan Anda dengan member lain. Tunjukkab KTP di pintu masuk.
/indonesia’d
Kobe is hated for winning; LeBron is hated for losing.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 22, 2011 8:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Haven't seen you around
Don’t tell me you’re also Indonesian.
Kobe is hated for winning; LeBron is hated for losing.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 22, 2011 8:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why in the world would you trade Odom AND the 2nd pick for Parker
that would make the team older not younger, and it simply ain’t worth trading Derrick Williams AND our bench leader for Parker.
"I got my caveman club," -- THE BLACK MAMBA
B’coz Parker is a proven speedy performer which addresses our need at guard while Odom is inconsistent and KB is not getting any younger and 2nd pick is a gamble that might need time to mature into a consistent performer especially with a new system being installed.
I thought the whole odom is inconsistant argument was put to bed this season.
and even otherwise Parker does not have such a high caliber that he is worth 1 if not 2 potential stars. If you told me just the 2nd pick & some rotation pieces for parker than i would consider that. This type of deal is worth only for a REAL susperstar like C. Paul etc
"I got my caveman club," -- THE BLACK MAMBA
o.O
“@Buccigross: Ric Bucher-: Lakers are discussing a deal with Philadelphia that would send Lamar Odom and Luke Walton to the Sixers for Andre Iguodala.”
Kobe is hated for winning; LeBron is hated for losing.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 22, 2011 8:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
lmao, it would be hilarious if Philly actually took that for Iggy rather than Odom/Artest
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Right??
that would be hilarious
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
Omg...
Maybe their going to run the triangle in Philly, that’s the only reason I see they would prefer Walton over Artest.
It's gonna be OK.
Did you watch
Artest run the triangle….. YIKES!!!
It's gonna be OK.
At least Artest can move his body and defend.
Luke’s “defense” has more holes than swiss cheese
"I got my caveman club," -- THE BLACK MAMBA
Yes, but....
Walton “stabilizes the offense”, according to Phil, remember? Now can artest do that? I don’t think so. No that clearly outweighs anything artest can do, lol.
It's gonna be OK.
He stabilizes it by being on the bench! :D
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Jun 22, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
ROFL
Maybe they heard “Bill Walton” instead of “Luke Walton.” I think Bill would crack the rotation of all 30 teams before Luke anyway.
If this happens I’m taking the update-qualifier out of my sig.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
EDIT 2011: "The Lakers were ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas."
Damnit, what happened to Gasol for Love?
Not a fan for getting rid of Odom or Bynum (even though none of these deals mention him).
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jun 22, 2011 8:29 PM PDT reply actions
Ahem you might want to re-read the updates.
Odom for Iggy is being discussed
"I got my caveman club," -- THE BLACK MAMBA
I know
I saw that we’re going after Iggy but why did the Gasol Love rumors die? Didn’t see that.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jun 22, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
We didnt want to give up Gasol
we offered odom instead but they declined
"I got my caveman club," -- THE BLACK MAMBA
Thanks
Bummer for me.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jun 22, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Are they serious about that Odom/Walton for Iggy deal?
Do it, Mitch! Do it now!!! :)
I get that Luke is more stable/predictable, and he has one year less than Artest on his contract, but still WHY would Philly agree to that deal?
Where would Artest fit if is indeed a Odom/Walton deal for Iggy?
No way in heck would Philly take Odom/Walton. Just doesn’t make sense when they could easily have Odom/Artest. Unless…. it’s Odom/Walton/Artest and we get ourselves Holiday and Iggy!!!! MUAHAH
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Jun 22, 2011 8:46 PM PDT reply actions
Holiday ain't going anywhere
It’s a nice thought, though.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Holidays are here to stay
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
The key to championships = SIGN LUTHER HEAD!!!!!!!!
I see what you dId there
Kobe is hated for winning; LeBron is hated for losing.
by Jovi Siagian on Jun 22, 2011 9:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Man, things got interesting around here rather quickly
"When Fortuna spins you downward, go out to a movie and get more out of life."
— John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces)
GET TO THE RIM HEAT! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Jun 22, 2011 9:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
You know what?
I love Odom and I love Artest as personalities on the team. And as a fan of this team I would not want to see either of them traded, especially both. I cannot fully support a trade that trades either one of them. They are probably my 2 favorites personalities on the team. After losing AMMO, MBenga, and the Machine what kind of comic relief will we have left if the Candyman and Crazy Ron are gone? Swagbro just won’t be able to fit that role that well. I understand this is irrational and that Iggy will likely improved our team and I will end up loving him, but as of now I cannot support a trade of Odom or Artest.
Bamboozled.
I don't think you have anything to worry about....
Being that usually we don’t hear anything about a trade before it happens w/ the lakers.
It's gonna be OK.
Sorry
I would think if there is a Laker trade it would involve Artest, Odom, Bynum, or Gasol. That’s how things go in this business, you’ll be sour about the trade for about a week or two then you’ll accept it and move on.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Yeah I understand that's how it works.
I’m only saying I love those guys and would hate to see them go. Hopefully we can snag Iggy for LO and Luke instead of both LO and Ron Ron. LO has been one of my favorite players for long time, even with all his inconsistencies. I would hate to see him go, but if we were ever going to trade him, now would be the best time and Iggy would help us out a lot.
Bamboozled.
Odom
Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Artest, of the four I would like to see Bynum and Odom retained. Odom doesn’t seem to be declining so I’m not worried about his age, and Bynum can be great if he stays off the PUP list.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
I have a feeling that Bynum won't be moved.
I also feel that Odom is more likely to be moved than Gasol, unless the right kind of trade comes around. I believe our front office will do the right thing and not mess this thing up.
Bamboozled.
I feel the exact same way.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Where to start, what to say
Oh umm whew somebody do something, give lakers something
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Jun 22, 2011 9:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Luke Walton for Iggy?
We’ll throw in Caracter too?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Wait. Damn.
The contracts wouldn’t work out. Even with Luke’s very high paycheck
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
My Take On The Trade Issue Is
The Lakers are looking to move Lamar. If this happens what is the best trade scenario?
Welcome!
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Jun 22, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
glad to have you here!
Mo' Everything
"Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks." - DexterFishmore
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by bluexfalcon on Jun 22, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to SSR!
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"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation."- Michael Jordan
twitter:@firstto100
Welcome to SS&R!
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Tweetness
Welcome!
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
KAHHHHHHNNNN
Mo' Everything
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Draft Express' always excellent Jonathan Givony
Has us taking Shelvin Mack (#41), Jon Leuer (#46), Andrew Goudelock (#56), and Malcolm Thomas (#58). Don’t know about you, but that’s a damn good draft IMO.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aq.i7EINbxgYxhnNNUpRdZs5nYcB?slug=ycn-8686843
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Ok, that's my favourite list of picks, by far!
How accurate is Draft Express usually? Because if the Lakers do end up with these guys, I would be so thrilled! That’s a really good draft for LA.
by SmokeAndAshes on Jun 23, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, no one's perfect
Because weird stuff always happens on draft night. Givony is definitely one of the best in the business though.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Good enough odds for me
I’ll keep my fingers crossed :)
by SmokeAndAshes on Jun 23, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Lou Williams
is fun to watch; is fearless, can penetrate and dish or finish, and shoot decently. Decent D. I’d love to get him. Or Thad Young; especially if we loose Lamar.
I will die a Lakers fan
"All glory is fleeting" - Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
by midnightrider1961 on Jun 23, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions
Michael Redd
A few weeks ago, I guess it was pre-lottery; I saw a breakdown of the teams on the NBA channel listing who was currently under contract and who might be leaving each team and what their needs were etc, etc. They had Redd listed as an unrestricted free agent. I wonder what’s going on with him. I think he just finished a huge contract and might be in the "persue a ring’ mode. He can shoot…….
I will die a Lakers fan
"All glory is fleeting" - Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
by midnightrider1961 on Jun 23, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions
That knee injury is too much, though.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
Tweetness
For a year? We'd need to first make sure he's back. He didn't get to play at all this season despite his hopes that he would.
If being greedy means wanting it all, then yes, I'm greedy.
Yes, I'm smug, withholding, and judgmental, but at least I'm better than you. - Anonymous
Tweetness
reminds me of the Mitch Richmond situation
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
EDIT 2011: "The Lakers were ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas."
Any chance the Cavs wanna trade Varejao for Artest?
Do that and the Walton/Lamar for Iggy deal and I’d be extremely happy.
that would be a steal and a half for the Lakers
I wouldn’t give up Odom for Varejao, but Artest for sure.
Maybe we can talk Dan Gilbert into sending us ex-LB teammates so Mike Brown can use them to knock LB out of the finals again for years to come.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
EDIT 2011: "The Lakers were ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas."
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