What's the appropriate penalty for Bynum?
Hello all, non-Lakers fan here. I'm wondering what the consensus among fans is about the Bynum/Berea flagrant foul in game 4, and what type of penalty should result.
My take is that the play was "dirty":
Was it related to the game of basketball? No, Bynum made no attempt to make a (legal) basketball play
Was it reckless? Yes, Bynum know that the chance of injury was extremely high
Was it related to the larger series/season? No - the game and the season were effectively over. This wasn't a "message" foul ala a 'brushback' pitch in baseball, designed to change how the game tactically. It was just a hit.
Is this a pattern of behavior? Yes, Bynum made the same play against Gerald Wallace in 2009 and Michael Beasley earlier this season. He was not suspended for the Wallace foul (in which he suffered a collapsed lung and missed 20 days) and was suspended for 2 games in the Beasley incident (Beasley was not injured).
My guess is that he'll get 10 to 15 games. I'd like hear the arguments for less, or more, or if you think that's right on.
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It was almost identical to the Beasely incident (2 games suspension), but on a much larger stage.
I think he’ll get 5-10 games.
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5-10 games
would be appropriate, unless NBA deems him intentionally attempting to injure the player. Anything more than 10 games would be unfair.
Bynum intented to hit Berea
We can argue that a hard foul, even though it’s a basketball play, if hard enough, is also intent to injure somebody. So Bynum hit Berea, while not a basketball play, shouldn’t just be considered intend to injure.
But anyway, 10 games should be the ceiling. Otherwise it would be appealed and reduced.
However it was hard foul and not a basketball play while Barrea was in the air.
sounds like intent to me.
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It looked like an intent to injure to me, unfortunately.
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did some research
I haven’t found a penalty of more than 6 games that wasn’t related to fighting or off-court behavior; I’d say Bynum is about to set the record for penalty related to ‘dirty’ play.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
As a repeat offender, it should be 4-5 games, but wouldn't be surprised if the league went up to 10.
While they’re at it, wouldn’t be surprised if the NBA suspended Lamar for a game or two if they end up having a liberal interpretation of what a punch could look like.
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I believe the NBA needs to set a precedent here.
Unfortunately, Bynum has shown himself to be of low character.
This is a repeated offense (all within one season btw).
As Manzell stated before…he collapsed Gerald Wallace’s lung and then fouled Beasley hard.
Aside from the fact that this is extremely bad for the league’s image (thuglike)…Bynum needs to be stopped. They need to make sure that he never does it again.
A 10 game suspension would not upset me.
Let’s keep this team and the league as clean as possible.
btw…I hate Barrea…so it was slightly / sickeningly pleasing to me at first….
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LOL, why would it upset you? You're a Clippers fan.
A 10 game suspension would not upset me.
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Also...I HATE Barrea.
HATE HIM.
Little snot.
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I do too, for some reason.
Still doesn’t excuse Bynum’s foul, though.
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It's a one gamer like Ron's. Not Bynum's fault that the guy he fouled hard is 5'10.
Mavs are much ado about nothing. They had the cryptonite, we couldn't defend those 3's. They will get blown out of the water by OKC, Memphis or the Heat (sad, but true, they are fast and athletic) Fuck the Mavs.
Lol....it was like hitting a child like C.A said in his post.
The fact that he came running just to hit Barea makes it worst, that was despicable and should be suspended for 5-10 games at least.
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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on May 9, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm.... what is a child doing in the court of an NBA game?
Plus he didn’t hit him. He pushed his ass so he doesn’t make the basket. Then the ground proceeded to hit Barea. It’s like the Ariza foul, I could care less about Berrea. He’s just a smaller dude so what. I would’ve done the same. Don’t step in my damn paint. (Plus i love football, maybe that explains my aggressivenes, and Boxing…)
Sorry If you disagree, we just have different mindsets.
Mavs are much ado about nothing. They had the cryptonite, we couldn't defend those 3's. They will get blown out of the water by OKC, Memphis or the Heat (sad, but true, they are fast and athletic) Fuck the Mavs.
by Starburst. on May 9, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I was watching this with a whole bunch of Mavs fans, and they all got really upset. (Understandably, I suppose.) But I think it looked much worse than it actually was because of how small Barea is. It’s not really fair for Bynum to be punished because he’s so much bigger than Barea. I know it won’t happen, but they need to judge the foul itself and the intent, not the impact and the size differential. I feel like that’s irrelevant.
Anything more than 5 games would irritate, but not surprise me.
by Shazam! on May 9, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Barea was not a willing participant in this "altercation"
Thats what makes it despicable. I have no problem with a couple of guys squaring off to settle something. I have a major problem with somebody picking on somebody half his size. Bynum’s intent was to knock a player 80 pounds lighter than him out of the air and cause him pain and possibly injury. By that definition, he attacked JJ, which could borderline be considered assault by some law enforcement officials. I consider Bynums actions far more severe and dangerous than a couple of teams getting into a scuffle. And those scuffles have led to big time suspensions if punches are thrown. I expect him to get a suspension of at least, bare minimum, ten games. Hopefully more.
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Mavs are much ado about nothing. They had the cryptonite, we couldn't defend those 3's. They will get blown out of the water by OKC, Memphis or the Heat (sad, but true, they are fast and athletic) Fuck the Mavs.
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Mavs are much ado about nothing. They had the cryptonite, we couldn't defend those 3's. They will get blown out of the water by OKC, Memphis or the Heat (sad, but true, they are fast and athletic) Fuck the Mavs.
(You can tell he wants to show off to come over and play for LA)
Mavs are much ado about nothing. They had the cryptonite, we couldn't defend those 3's. They will get blown out of the water by OKC, Memphis or the Heat (sad, but true, they are fast and athletic) Fuck the Mavs.
How much did Ariza get for the Rudy one?
Mavs are much ado about nothing. They had the cryptonite, we couldn't defend those 3's. They will get blown out of the water by OKC, Memphis or the Heat (sad, but true, they are fast and athletic) Fuck the Mavs.
no idea
but consider the situation. National Game and repeat offender
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Have him watch this series against Dallas
and especially watch game 4 over and over and over again
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I just
wish he would have done that in game 1. Set a different tone for the series and establish the lakers as the agressor.
10 games if the league is feeling nice
really a disgusting play that makes it impossible for Laker fans to defend him anymore… you can say it does not reflect his character but the best show of character is what you do when you’re upset, if you can control yourself or not. Obviously, he is not of that caliber.
down goes the hammer
loadobull: BOOM! PRT @itsnabila: NBA front offices say Bynum will be fined in excess of $100K, suspended 1st 20 games of next season? (via @cubanalaf)
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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Sounds like a load o' bull from cubanalaf.
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even if it's not a rumor, it wouldn't be anything new. it's not like we haven't played 10-20+ games in a row without Drew.
basketball doesn't build character, it reveals it
Good thing we have all these non-Laker fans
telling us what our perception of our own players should be.
OMG, I was just thinking the same thing as I read new comments.
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david stern the new world order will cut bynum legs in half
i still like what bynum did….send a message to barea that don’t do it too many times.
2-3 games
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As many games needed...
to get into Bynum’s head that there’s no place for ‘Bynum Clobber’ in the NBA.
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by Middle Earth Riverdweller on May 10, 2011 5:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Bynum smash!
What really got me was how he wasn’t the least bit apologetic afterwards when he was interviewed. He didn’t see what the big deal was. Nice farewell for Phil.
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10-15 years from now
that play will be part of playoff highlights whenever the Lakers play the Mavs just like Kurt Rambis getting knocked down by the C’s. NBA acts disgusted by this type of action but they milk the hell out of it for their marketing purposes.
by King J77 on May 10, 2011 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i dont even see it as dirty
basketball should have more of this,thats just my opinion.
i dont think he did it with the intention to “injure” him,send a message maybe but not injure,no harm no foul
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My take...
Here’s my take on it:
like everything else out there – and every “questionable play” not a single person here is the person who commited the alleged offense. So realistically speaking, every single one of the people on here claiming that it was “intent to cause injury” or that it’s a “disgusting play” is just plain idiotic. How can you determine another person’s mindset or what they really intedned to do in ANY given situation? Your off your rocker if you think your going to sell me that line of bull. If that’s the case, maybe you should be on TV selling your mind reading powers and making millions… instead of sitting here whinning about how other people live their lives.
While i don’t condone someone literally trying to injure or end a players season or something worse, this wasn’t something that you can overreact to and blow out of purportion. It was a good hard foul, and you CANNOT hold Andrew any more accountable because the player was half his size, that’s the price JJ pays (and he assumes that risk) by driving into the paint, plain and simple.
It’s irrelevent if Andrew has had "questionable’ plays in the past, and yes this play in hindsight was probably misguided due to the game and series being out of reach, but there is still not a problem for me that he sent JJ a message. Crap like you people overreacting is why the NBA has less people like Dennis Rodman and Shaq .. the time of the real NBA is coming to an end, and we all might as well go watch soccor…
Just my take is all …
Dude, this post is almost 2 months old.
We’ve all already moved on from this.
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