Karma Comes To Collect The Lakers' Marker
by C.A. Clark on May 5, 2011 12:19 PM PDT
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PrintAmidst a cavalcade of boos and a plethora of bricks, any hopes the Los Angeles Lakers had of glory and gold were all but dashed as they demonstrated one of the more spectacular implosions you will ever see from a playoff team, never mind one of their caliber. As it was happening, as the Dallas Mavericks were slowly choking the life out the back-to-back defending champions on their own floor, this scribe watched, not in anger, but in awe. There were but two bemused thoughts intertwining their way through my head.
This is justice. Justice sucks.
Last night was for Houston and Phoenix and Denver. It was for Chris Paul and Kevin Durant. It was for all the teams the Lakers played last April, all the teams they faced on this April's five game losing streak. It was for every time the Lakers have ever tempted fate because of the hubris of their overwhelming confidence, every game in which the Lakers assumed they could win just by showing up. Last night, the Lakers finally paid the piper. The chickens came home to roost. They got what was coming to them. They were finally made to sleep in the bed they've been making for three years now. There aren't enough cliches in the world to accurately describe how much of a market correction the basketball gods just provided for the years of neglect which have been the Lakers calling card.
Now, the Lakers know why you don't relax when you build up a big lead in a playoff game. Now, they know why you can't assume the other team will wilt in the face their greatness. They know why playoff games can't just be thrown away dismissively. You don't do any of these things, because you never know when life is going to drop a heaping pile of Murphy's Law on your head.
You'll have to forgive me for failing to give Dallas a whole lot of credit for this one. You have no idea how much I wish I could, but it just isn't so. There are certain elements of Dallas' play that deserve to be highlighted. Dirk Nowitzki has lapped the field as the best player in this series. His unstopability might be the overbearing pressure that has caused the Lakers to collapse. J.J. Barea gave his team with a great spark, providing Dallas with the exact form of Kryptonite that so often causes L.A. trouble, the quick penetrating guard. Jason Kidd's defense on Kobe Bryant has been inspired. And illegal, but we'll focus on the inspired part. He has completely prevented Kobe from getting the kind of penetration that would allow the Lakers to score more easy buckets. Tyson Chandler and Brendan Haywood have been fantastic in anchoring the Dallas defense and preventing the Laker bigs from owning the paint.
As for the rest, the only credit you can give Dallas is what you might give a man who is smart enough to step out of the way of a runaway train about to careen off its tracks, or a race car driver smart enough to slow down and watch his rival tumble over a cliff. After all, Dallas didn't even play well. Quite the opposite, in fact, they played quite badly. Only nine times in the regular season did Dallas shoot below 42% from the field and below 32% from the three point line. They were 2-7 in those contests, with both victories coming at home against some of the worst teams in the league (Cleveland and Detroit). This game was won for Dallas because the Lakers put up just 94 points per 100 possessions. That final number includes a first half in which the Lakers scored 117 per 100, because they rebounded a full 50% of their missed shots. In the second half, that number dropped down to 19%, and the subsequent offensive performance dropped to a ghastly 73 points per 100, because Dallas figured out that there was no need to guard any Laker but Kobe outside of 15 feet.
Before Kobe began the garbage time three point launching in earnest, the Lakers were 0-15 from three point range. There can be no doubt, in anybody's mind, that this (along with horrendous free throw shooting) is the primary reason the Lakers lost the game. Many will continue the point as evidence that the Lakers didn't do a good enough job of getting the ball down low, and settled for the outside shot too often. Bullshit. There may have been a few specific instances in which the Lakers would have been better served to pound the ball back inside, but I rewatched the entire offensive sequences of every single one of the Lakers 15 three pointers. Of the 15, 11 were wide open shots, created within the context of the offense, and shot by players who are supposed to take open threes. Of the other four, two were late shot clock heaves, and one was Kobe being Kobe. Derek Fisher took the only contested and unnecessary three point shot in the entirety of the first 45 minutes of play.
The added wrinkle to the Dallas defense, if you can call it that, was that they started not even trying to close out on shooters in the 2nd half. Instead, all five players gathered around the paint to bring in rebounds and prevent penetration and/or attempts to work the game through the Laker bigs. There were 16 Laker possessions in the 4th quarter prior to Kobe's made three. On those possessions, I counted 14 times in which every single Dallas defender was within one foot of the paint, with the only exceptions being one in which Derek Fisher turned the ball over in transition, and a possession in which Kobe Bryant never made it past the top of the key. By the midpoint of the 4th quarter, Dallas wasn't even bothering to guard perimeter players when they had the ball. At one point, Jason Kidd was playing 8 feet off of Shannon Brown, daring Shannon to shoot.
The only credit you can give Dallas here is for utilizing an effective defensive strategy, but let's face it, the Lakers could have been shut down by a well-constructed hedge. It was a choke job, pure and simple. Except these guys don't choke. There have been too many victories in games just like this one over the last three years, too many strong performances by every member of the team in pressure situations prior to this one, to allow that narrative to live. Well, except for poor Steve Blake. God bless his soul, he choked pretty badly.
The rest were simply subject to a horrendously bad night, a night in which Lady Luck gave them the collective cold shoulder many times over. It's a new experience for the Lakers, not being able to depend on her presence. All this time, they thought they were able to make all these shots, to play at their best, to dominate their opponents, whenever they felt like making it happen, failing to appreciate the thin margin for error that is the very nature of basketball, and of sport. Now they know the truth. You play your best whenever you can, because doing so isn't always at the tip of your fingers.
It's not too late for the Lakers to have learned that lesson, or at least, it may not be. But, in order for them to be able to survive the blow dealt them by fate, they need Lady Luck to return to them swiftly. It is a testament to both their skill and their fortune that such a thing remains entirely plausible, but one can hardly reason it would be deserved.
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Lakers aren't done yet
I still believe
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
You’re not alone. It’s a seven game series not a two game series.
"In a dog eat dog world, you must have the mentality of a Pit Bull." -Phil Jackson
Yeah, but they're definitely in the shit at this point.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Of course they're not done
Lakers are fine. They just wanted to experience a near losing experience. :)
...I like turtles...
Agree
and that is all she wrote. The Lakers can win, but they need 3s. As I wrote in the other thread. 2 non-Kobe 3s have been made all series. The Mavs are not going to allow the spacing needed to execute extremely well without 3s. They’re not even guarding close enough for handoffs or picks to make a difference. Without Kobe’s superb shooting from mid-range thus far, we’ve been sunk on perimeter shooting and spacing.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
I guarantee the Lakers won't go 0-15 from threes in game 3
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on May 5, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't expect them too
but thus far trends do not seem to be reversing.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Shooting teams can't go a whole series shooting the lights out
It eventually comes back to bite you in the butt. Just ask some of those Duke and Phoenix Suns team. We’ve still outrebounded them and have more points in the paint….I think?
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on May 5, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the thing
the Mavs didn’t shoot well in last night’s game. We outrebounded them and scored more points in the paint, but without anyone else hitting from the perimeter but Kobe, we are not in a good position to really take too much advantage.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Is it too early to assume that no news is good news on Artest?
I can’t find anything other than Phil saying “it’s a good chance” he’ll be suspended.
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
way too early
bynum’s suspension came on the day of the fucking game ahaha
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean the Bynum suspension came 2 days later
Friday: Bynum hits Beasley
Sunday: Bynum suspended and misses home game vs. Portland.
Agreed
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
by Furious Styles on May 5, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Peja is a bust, LAKERS play like punks, don't take advantage of their matchup besides Kobe
everyone else sucks, Peja is a bust, Lakers need to attack him on D, Dallas getting away with murder with their shooting game, Lakers have to pound the paint NON STOP, Lakers attack on Dallas is silly, I would play Fisher, Bryant, LO, Bynum and UPS all day vs. Mavs, the rest of the team is ineffective and shouldn’t see a lick of playing time if I was the coach
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
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Ouchies:
What does it mean when a team is dysfunctional on offense, and disinterested on defense? It means watching the most talented team in basketball lose to a team with one superstar and a bunch of guys that were washed up last year. It means anyone that’s ever defended Pau Gasol’s toughness (or doubted Dirk Nowitzki’s) feels a little stupid now. It means watching Kobe come to terms with his own mortality while Phil’s failure is obscured by his own immortality.
It means that Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, and Kobe will all go down in the same year. It means that at the end of all this, the Lakers will have to come to terms with reality. It means Pau and Bynum will be trade bait this summer, when L.A. will make a play for Dwight Howard and/or Chris Paul.
It’s still surreal, and it’ll take a while to sink in. But this is the end.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
WTF, who is that from?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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reading this hurt my optimism lol
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
whats that mean?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
well its not like our future looks great either
Unless we score and get Howard which I dont even know will happen anymore; why would he come here to join an aging Kobe when he could go to Chicago or New York with young superstars in big markets and has a better chance to win a title?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If not Howard then Griffin, if not Griffen then some 16 year old who will be amazing
You can count on one hand the number of years the Lakers have been without a single superstar on their roster. And two hands would be enough to cover the years in which they haven’t had two
i guess
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
LOL You're always negative
Our future is bright. Very, very bright.
How do you even think that you are following a logical course when you are unwilling to admit that having the “trade bait” (which is purely nonsensical speculation) of Bynum, Gasol, Brown (who is great trade bait because he’s Sportscenter material), and Odom is not better than the trade bait of Duncan or Parker or Ginobili.
Our trade bait gets us superstars. And it’s not even necessary to trade them, we could still make another run next year. I’ll not be responding to any of this negative overreacting anymore.
im just pissed at this team for not winning a damn-near must-win game
on their homecourt in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
especially when they're the better team
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Well, I can understand that.
We all vent differently.
I just can’t really get mad because it’s Dallas. The Dallas Mavericks. We lost twice at home to them. LOL.
They're not the better team
Think about it. Dirk has just been amazing and they’ve hit more shots than us
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
Nah... LA is the better team.
Dirk didn’t even carry his team to victory game 1. He got bailed out. I know a lot of people are going to say I’m making excuses, but it is what it is. Dallas is a good team; LA is better. Dirk is a great player, but he didn’t WIN game 1, game 1 was gifted with some iffy calls down the stretch. LA didn’t complain about it because it shouldn’t have been that close in the first place. I didn’t complain about it because I felt the same way. But bailing Dirk out with those free throws to win the game then allowing Kidd to Hold Kobe, quite tangibly, and in front of the ref, was a mis-call. It’s okay, though, because these things tend to work themselves out.
If you measure the better team by who wins and loses
they are much better than us.
If you measure it by their overall capability to perform, the Lakers remain better, and probably the best team in the league.
Either way is valid
Yes. Every basketball player has his eye test:
Even Dirk came into the series hesitant. Even after game 2 he’s just starting to believe. That tells you everything you need to know. Dirk is great, excellent, a great guy and player, but these losses are coming from within LA.
and when losses come from within the better team
you blame the coaches and leaders of the team
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
I have a hard time blaming Kobe, though
I really like his demeanor and how hard he’s working.
I don’t really blame PJ either, because he’s been pretty consistent with his demeanor
No man
when losses come from within the better team, its because they usually did not get up for the game or were not focused enough on executing the right way. That is the leaders of the team’s responsibility as well as the Head coach.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Aren't we having other issues, though?
Isn’t Kobe and Phil trying to engage the team? What would you like to see?
As a whole, haven’t they succeeded pretty well thus far, with their championship and postseason run tally?
they have
but they should have engaged the team to get up for yesterday’s game since it was a game they ALMOST had to have to win this series and keep 3 peat hopes alive.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
do you believe that the over capability to perform type of team
will just about always prevail in a 7 game series?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
No
There are plenty of reasons the lesser team, capability wise, can win. Match-ups, psychology, dumb luck are all factors
i cant think of many examples though
at least in recent playoff history
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Pistons had a better overall team in 04
especially when Malone got hurt. Magic also had a better overall team. GS over Dallas is the only one i agree with.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Orlando beat Cleveland because they shot lights out from 3
Wave could probably give you the actual stats, it was far above what should be expected.
As for Det-LA, the toxic chemistry of the end of the Shaq-Kobe relationship killed that team. No way was Detroit actually more capable
you convinced me for Orlando
but if you look at the rosters, Detroits had better talent from top to bottom. L.A. was just Shaq and Kobe. Payton was washed up and Malone was hurt. Deven George was a bench role player who was okay. Pistons had the Wallaces who together were just as good as Shaq at that point in his career. Prince was one of the best young SFs in the game at that time as was Hamilton and Billips at their positions. And their bench was much better than ours.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
sigh...
what was especially depressing was how we played at home.
We saw a 16 point game 1 lead disappear, and a 23 point game 2 lead disappear.
Also, in game 4, LeBron had 6 turnovers in the final 3 minutes of regulation and OT. Kinda like game 6 in Boston, but even less clutch.
THE CAVS SHALL RISE AGAIN...
BEAT THE HEAT.
No way the Magic had a better team.
If they were better overall than the Cavs, then they were better overall than the Lakers. #derp
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Cavs were way overrated that year
Lebron and nobody else
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Chris convinced you, but you disagree with me, on the same point?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
yep
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
LOL, such a 'tard.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
just something about him...
maybe that radio interview….
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Dude, I tuck you in at night!
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
you werent there for me last night!!!!111!!1
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Red Sox-Yankees 2004
different circumstances but still. It ain’t over till the final buzzer sounds
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
True
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
:(
Crocodile Tears for Popovich, the man who treats his players in a very disposable manner.
he's a badass coach
he’d have our guys ready yesterday
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
He's at home, because he lost to the 8th seed in the first round; all the while having the best regular season record in the NBA.
And you’re negative about everything you support. It’s no surprise you think he’s better in this situation that Phil Jackson and are latching on to the comments of some Andrew Sharp media person, who may or may not be right.
im just pissed alright
i still think they will win this series too, go back and read my comment from the post-game yesterday
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
I didn't see it.
It’s all good. We all get pissed.
This would be worse for me if it was the Celtics or a team that had Rasheed Wallace or Shaq on it.
As it is… its the damn Mavericks. hehe. Deshawn Stevenson was throwing up ‘3-goggles’ on us yesterday. I had to chuckle at the Lakers fate. I still love em though, they’ve gave us some great memories, and we still might be on tap for some more.
Nah, the horizon is just further away when you don’t have the resources and profitability of the Lakers.
Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.
All I mean is that you can't see how the Spurs will get back to elite status
And we can see it.
When the Spurs get back there, it’ll be unrecognizable as compared to the current team.
i dont even know that if they did become interested and played hard the rest of the series
that they would necessarily win it since the Mavs just have to win 2 more games.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
its so easy to think its the end when were down 2 games
its not over til its over!!
Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise.
- Kobe Bryant
What a great article, CA!
It actually makes me very excited to see how the game will play out Friday
Ron is suspended for Game 3
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/66229480779284480
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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good, he sucked horribly anyways
doubt he’d do much better
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no! we'll miss his shooting
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
He missed his shooting.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
I was being sarcastic people
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
Harsh.
I know that was a flagrant, but I dunno if it was intentionally viscious. :(
no sugarcoating it
What Ron Artest did is inexcusable. As much as I like the guy, and as much as he’s helped our team these last two years, that was not a play on the ball in any way shape or form. It’s irrelevant if he meant to seriously harm Barrea. He deserves the suspension. =(
Yea, I understand that opinion.
I just think it’s harsh. I think he didn’t think about what he was doing. I don’t think he meant to be rough; I think he meant to stop Barea with a check to his chest. He’s paying the price, though. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the suspension, just that I feel bad for him because I know the intent to hurt wasn’t there.
It also makes the Mavs look soft.
Even Phil thought it was uncalled for and probably deserved suspension.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Yep. I agree with him, too.
It’s the inner Ron Ron angle I’m looking at.
Did you see his body language out there. He was trying and missing, and I feel bad for a player when I see that. I saw good D and good effort. Same with Kobe. I’m not hating these guys, I’m just watching for the experience. This team has given me some great memories. I still respect Ron, even after that hit on JJ. It wasn’t so bad. If he did Dirk like that I’d be a little more disappointed though, I must admit. And I know you shouldn’t look at the player.
Dude, the fact that JJ could probably get federal benefits reserved for the vertically challenged made it worse for Ron.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
That really, really confused me.
That’s what makes me think he didn’t do it with malice. He doesn’t go after the little guys, he takes on people his own size ala Ben Wallace, Gerald Wallace, the guy on the Nuggets he almost punched. I don’t think he meant to do that.
It confused everyone.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
OH yeah I wanted this
could be the spark Lakers need, not brick dude
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
Hey, this is just another opportunity for Kobe to prove his greatness.
If Kobe can somehow motivate this POS team to get it together and play as a collective unit WHILE leading them on the court and demonstrating exactly what it takes to win, then it will be another great moment in the long list of accomplishments for Kobe Bryant.
he should have motivated them yesterday
there is no excuse for them to play how they did yesterday.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Only so much Kobe can do
about players missing WIDE OPEN 3s
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
You can't motivate people into hitting threes
In fact that’s the part of the game that requires the least amount of motivation [other than “putting on your shorts”]. Even my grandma can be motivated to shoot threes but that doesn’t mean she’ll hit them. The Lakers actually tried yesterday. It’s just that they sucked. It’s Game 1 where you can talk about your standard “motivation” issues.
Kelly Dwyer is without a doubt one of the worst sportswriters in the world. The only reason I say he's "one of the" and not "THE worst" is because I haven't read enough of the Russians' coverage of the NBA to make a fair assessment.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on May 5, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
ahaha fuck yeah this is awesome
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
SD's Finest
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on May 5, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I was scared shitless from the second we lost game 1. I feared the worst.
Now that the worst has happened, i am actually ok. I feel like we got it. Kobes will is good enough for one game. Team effort is good for another one. We will come back to LA tied 2-2 or down 3-2. Either way this series is not done. I have faith, color me crazy
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Hey Jevon....:)
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
I still think we can win.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
I still think we will win
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
I still think so, too!!!
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation."- Michael Jordan
Forgettin me brotha
I sure as hell haven’t lost the faith yet
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
*3-1
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Are you sure about that?
You mentioned that “now they know” not to relax with a lead or not to expect this or that…
well I don’t think so. They will never learn, because that’s who they are, they’re the Lakers.
That being said I don’t think they deserve to advance anymore and MAYBE, just maybe, getting swept will teach them something. I wouldn’t hold my breath to that though.
Enjoy the extended postseason, is all I can say. Who would have thought that Charles Barkley suddenly became psychic in predicting several series upsets?
There's a difference between knowing and learning
They certainly know. Whether they will learn, or even have the opportunity to, remains to be seen
I have idea
Instead of worrying about Nowitzki’s offense, let’s take advantage of him on defense. Put in in some screen and rolls, isos.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
*Put him in
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
Odoms iso drives weren't getting whistles last night.
Look for that to change in game 3, I guarantee it.
thats where Pau has to come in
and fucking show up
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Exactly
He is going to get his. Let that be our poison. Stop everybody else and go after him.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
this looks like isiah thomas' work
1. the current salary cap is 58.0 million and is going to get lower after the new CBA
2. the lakers have 61.5 million committed to kobe, pau, ron and blake in 2013/2014
3. other than pau no one can get realistically traded
3. their average age will be 34
does no one realize this is going to be a disaster?!
did isiah thomas put together a team that went to the finals 3 straight times?
Follow me: @theshmoes.
No, but he did put together a team that went straight to hell for almost a decade.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Well, thats basically the same as this team
according to most of these commenters. I think we should waive Pau and Kobe tonight just to be safe; blow up the team before the series is over to show how dedicated we are to making sure everyone TRIES HARD every single game. Cut anyone with outside distractions, I’d waive LAMAR too because he needs to learn that this is the NBA not A REALITY SHOW. I cursed the Lakers and until they learn that they will always lose with their backs to the wall unless they don’t in that case they’ve apologized to me without telling you.
just think
to give any player, even kobe, over half your cap space at 35 is ridiculous. it’d be ok in soccer where there’re no cap limits, but not in the nba.
You're right.
Damn ridiculous. We may as well be owned by Kahn. Fucking idiots. Trade Kobe.
LOL, at the time of the extension, Kobe is the ONLY player you would give half your cap space to.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Might as well throw the lakers on there
Although it’s more self mutliation than anything…
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Oh dear lord, save me.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Glad someone else said it.
I’ve been feeling like a crazy person. The Lakers problem is making shots. That is all.
Boston fan here...
We gotta believe were both down 0-2 but when can still get out of this hole and see each in the finals.
yes
"Phil Jackson seems to enjoy his status as 'NBA grand philosopher' and uses that platform to lob verbal hand grenades into other franchises or the league offices for fun." - Kurt Helin
Stalk, err, Follow me on Twitter: @bluefalcon916
well its the Lakers so I will believe if they can tie it up and get something going, Lakers can do it
they have the talent and advantages they same to be ignoring besides Kobe, noone else is taking advantage of Dallas, like make Dirk play D, like make Peja play D, post up J.J small ass with UPS, do NOT play Pau Gasol AT ALL, do NOT play Blake or Barnes. stick to Kobe, Fisher, UPS, LO and Bynum, spacing, shooting, post ups, and defense then Lakers would be alright, what I see is too must trust or hope in Phil thinking Lakers gonna figure it out ohh well look its0-2, they haven’t figured it out and it’s time to play those who will get it done.
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
****they seem to be ignoring
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
Totally agree BrittneyM
Simply-put, Gasol seems to be getting paid-on-the-side or he loaned his ‘heart’ to his brother for the playoffs! At least the coach has taken notice; now what is he to do about it? Also, the points about the lack of “D” from Peja and Dirk is known world-wide, why is Jackson taking so long to be reminded of such advantages. When either of those players have to play defense and contend with being defensed, historically the strategy becomes a big plus for the other team.
La la time...
I guess ima jump on the bandwagon in saying that the lakers won’t recover from this deficit…shit they can’t manage to catch up when theyr down by 10 points, so i find it hard to believe they will win the series..i would love to be proved wrong, but after last nights disgusting performance from 3 point land and free throws, i can’t seem to find the optimism in this situation..Why in the hell do you continue to shoot 3’s when clearly you have not been able to connect even 1 the whole damn game? Last night was full of frustrations for me, as for many others as well. Damn el Torito couldn’t even get a damn tequila sunrise right so that made my night even worse..who in the hell adds blackberry juice to a tequila sunrise?!
Where is the effort Lakers
Although I only saw the last 1 1/2 quarters last night but could not help but notice the team could not conjure a win nor a winning spirit. Point-wise they were never out of it but their mannerisms were obvious, they were playing as if they were in the wrong trance; not a good sign when trying to accomplish an elusive three-pete! Go Lakers!!!
This is the time to play 'some' basketball
Lakers! We are “punkin’ out!” still! Phill said it and many of us see it too (ala Paul Gasol). Most of our players are looking like losers on the court; as if we are a subordinate team. No time to reflect on our laurels or past accomplishments (I love the memories) but we are in a fight, let’s fight as we know how. If we must go down; then go down showing EFFORT!!!!!!! Who knows, we may end up playing Lakers’ ball again and perhaps win big.
I think we'll be fine.
Game 1: We built a 16 pt lead, as any great team would, but Phil trusted the bench too much. Nevertheless, that game was a few inches away from a victory.
Game 2: Like you said, most of our 3pt attempts were wide open. We were just on the bad side of luck.
No adjustments are necessary. Keep playing like we’ve always have, and we’ll build leads. The only difference is that we have to stay focused on keeping this leads, which I think won’t be a problem considering the 0-2 hole we’re in.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
http://lakers.ocregister.com/2011/05/05/lakers-adjustments-focused-on-defense/54177/
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Defensive adjustments, sure.
Our offense, however, shouldn’t be changed much, if at all. Maybe a few more touches for Bynum, but that’s it.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
You are kidding, right!
If Kobe leaves his man open for another 3 the rest of this series, I will be not watching game 3 or 4. Stay with your man, everybody, even KOBE. Such BS. Call, no call, Pau, get your ass back on D. Such BS.
Losers look for reasons why they did not achieve, winners push through. Lakers have earned the boos and I just wish I was there with my best baritone, Booooooooooooooooooooooooo.
No, I'm not kidding.
Mavs shot 42% last night, which is nothing special. Assuming Dallas doesn’t adjust on D, we’ll keep seeing wide open shots on the perimeter. As long as we hit those shots, we’ll cruise.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
Mavs shot 42% last night, which is nothing special.
And the game was never really in doubt. At what point did you really think the Lakers had their mojo back?
There may have been a few specific instances in which the Lakers would have been better served to pound the ball back inside, but I rewatched the entire offensive sequences of every single one of the Lakers 15 three pointers. Of the 15, 11 were wide open shots, created within the context of the offense, and shot by players who are supposed to take open threes.
If we hit 35% of those 15 shots, or about 5-6, we would have won. The ball just didn’t bounce our way on offense. This is why the game was never in doubt, because luck screwed us over epically.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
At what point did you really think the Lakers had their mojo back?
When did they play free, fun, move the ball, shoot with confidence and trust each other.
I never said they had their "mojo" back.
They just need to stay focused on keeping leads.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
This team will not will any games without their "mojo"
Their ’mojo" starts with D, they just do not like to play that way. To much effort.
Seriously people seems to forget that D is the first thing you can control
It wouldn’t matter how bad we shot if dallas didn’t get so many open looks. there’s no reason marion should be taking a rebound between Pau and Bynum. they don’t need luck to put a hand up and contest a shot. Barea destroying our defense had nothing to do with luck. This is the playoffs and some nights team shoots like shit. That shouldn’t stop you from suffocating the other team.
Fuck, I miss Ammo and winning.
I will be not watching game 3 or 4.
Lakers have earned the boos and I just wish I was there with my best baritone, Booooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I don’t care how poorly the Lakers play, but I would NEVER boo my own team. I’m a fan during the lows as well as the highs.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
don’t care how poorly the Lakers play
I do not boo when my teams when they give the effort. Did you see effort last night?
Don't give a damn.
You don’t boo your own team. Period.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
Stop twisting my words.
I NEVER said they should be given a pass for not giving effort.
However, it’s still not an excuse to boo them.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
"Effort is all a fan SHOULD expect."
I agree with this 100%.
Let’s agree to disagree that fans shouldn’t boo their own teams.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
Glad I only watched game 1 of 2004 finals, never any doubt in that outcome
I have no doubt about this outcome either. As highly unexpected as it is, this team is done.
Ok, bye-bye
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick?" Bryant asked. "You’re going to look at the stats first?"
that series was such a downer. I even skipped graduation party to catch game 5.
I was a hopeful fan back then
Fuck, I miss Ammo and winning.
That team was lucky to reach the finals, while Detroit earned their ticket
Detroit came out hard, hungry and was relentless. This Dallas team is doing the same.
This Laker team, like the 2004 team, has a style they want to play.
But to win, they need to let their O feed off the D.
They are frustrated because that is winning the hard way.
Nobody likes doing things hard.
Let us not forget there are still 5 guys on this team that gave us 2008 game 6.
The Lakers have the ability to win on D only, do they have the will?
My brother still believes.
I still believe, but just barely. That game 2 loss felt like they had already lost the series to me, i mean that really stung. It’s surprising how CONFIDENT a few other laker fans are, assuring me they will come back and win the series. Boy, i wish i could force myself to believe that, i really could. Please give me hope lakers…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
and continuing that way, Mavs win in 6?
Still depressing though. The Lakers have to win both games in Dallas this weekend, or the dynasty is over.
There's no point trying to predict the future
there’s still games left to be played, odds are against the lakers; butif they get their shit together they still have a chance to maybe win.
Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian
The Hope for a 3 Peat doesn't end until the lakers have lost 4 games in a series right now at 2
I BELIEVE LAKERS WILL WIN GAME 3 then we’ll move onto the next game! DON’T STOP BELIEVING HANG ON TO THAT CHAMPIONSHIP FEELING YEAH!
I still believe and have faith in the Lakers. We all should.
What are we? Celtic fans?
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Been to the Bar lately?
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
nope. what happened?
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
A few people went on a reccing spree.
Turned everything green.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
and the Celtics logo and Paul Pierce's Game 1 2008 injury pic
made appearances
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation."- Michael Jordan
"injury"^
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation."- Michael Jordan
that shit was funny.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
awesome. Just saw that.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Absolutely nothing.
But that’s a big IF. If the team doesn’t come back, than all this bickering will multiply tenfold.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"You want to make history you gotta do historic things" - Kobe Bryant.
My guess, they'll probably win the championship.
The power of mint and berry, yet with a satisfying crunch!
by Mint Berry Crunch! on May 5, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck it!
im going go put in my Lakers 2010 back to back DVD and eat two big macs and 3 chocolate chip cookies.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
way to go jelly bean!
thats the spirit!
Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise.
- Kobe Bryant
i believe
i believe greatness earned beats karma any day of the week
i believe kobe will display his individual dominance and will his team
i believe pau will be consistently good from this point on
i believe dallas will hit a brick wall as well
i believe bynum will go 20-15 in games 3 and 4
i believe our bench will outdo theirs
i believe lakers love drama and so they want a fierce comeback because they can
and i also believe mitch told pau and drew the one who chokes will be packaged for d12
but it’s just me. GO LAKERS!
Mavs Fan
Hi Guys I was just reading comments I have noticed that no one is giving the Mavs credit for their defensive rebounding. Rebounding seems to be an advantage that the Lakers hold against everyone. Dallas is still being out rebounded but not by an overwhelming amount.
I Kneel Before Zod!!
If you read the post itself
You see that I did give credit to Dallas for cleaning up the defensive boards in the 2nd half (they were killed in the 1st half), albeit in a backhanded sort of way. They cleaned up the boards by putting 5 guys in the key
3heat
is it too late to jump on the Heat bandwagon?
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." -Confucius
Nope.
Bye.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick?" Bryant asked. "You’re going to look at the stats first?"
Don't you have to accomplish something to be overconfident?
Being up 2-0 in a series against a two time defending champ is not accomplishing anything. It just means they have to be that more focused. I don’t think any team at this point would take the Lakers lightly.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
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Come on guys! This is the MAVS!!!
We made them cry last time we played them in the regular season!
Get your shit together!
"I’ve never understood this stuff, where a star player sits out and a team goes into the tank. Well, they need him because he makes them better. Well, if he’s making them better, they should be able to survive without him. That’s how you lead your guys. You’ve got to be able to make guys suffice on their own, without you. If you’re there all the time and they take you away, they shouldn’t need a respirator."
-Kobe Bean Bryant
They have about 2 days to let this stew.
I don’t think any of them like it. If they don’t wake up now, then they don’t deserve to make the WCF.
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the
stumbling is not falling
Its not yet over. Game 3 baby! There will be a change in the wind.
by Rix on May 5, 2011 7:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Best description I've heard so far...
Heard it on the radio, can’t remember who said it:
“We’re just one win away from being one win away from tying this series 2-2.”
Let’s keep the faith!
Say Goodbye to Artest
I don’t know the ramifications regarding his contract, but I’m sure Ron has sealed his ticket out of town.
Down 2-0 and on the brink, and you do a cheap shot to get suspended, weakening the Lakers D just when they need everything to just survive — I can’t see Buss or Kupchak wanting you back.
Lakers need a miracle. I smell 2004.
Former LakersForDeuce: "The 2010 champs made me up the ante and change my name!"
Fisher was suspended for his shot at Scola in 2009. Why would Artest be shipped out of town?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Fisher has history and Kobe — and Phil
Think it through.
Fisher’s shot on Scola, probably calculated, was to wake the Lakers up. I don’t think Fish would do something so blatantly stupid. Second, if Fish gets the boot the Lakers still had guards. With Artest out, it changes how Kobe has to play.
After all that, Fisher has come through so many times that he would have a pass. Artest made some key plays last year to help us win the title, but he doesn’t have enough emotional capital built up. If we lose the series, he’s done.
Former LakersForDeuce: "The 2010 champs made me up the ante and change my name!"
by LakersForTrey on May 5, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know Artest wasn't trying to do the same thing?
And if we lose this series, you’re seriously saying it’s because of Artest?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
he'd be part of it
not the main part (Pau) but we needed more from him than the little he’s done
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
it might be a good thing that we don't have him.
dude has been awful. maybe he needs rest.
Fuck, I miss Ammo and winning.
No, don't take this where it wasn't intended to go.
It was a stupid thing to do. That’s all.
Done by someone who is impulsive, and childlike.
He has proven that in the heat of the moment he is capable of making a horrible, impulsive and childlike decision, and you can’t put championship hopes in the hands of someone like that.
Translation: If he can’t be trusted, he has to go.
Simple.
Former LakersForDeuce: "The 2010 champs made me up the ante and change my name!"
by LakersForTrey on May 5, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You just took it somewhere else.
Put it this way, SoCalGal and I disagree with your assessment of the situation.
You're telling me that after everything Ron Artest has done to rehab himself since he was in Indiana,
everything that he has talked about, including his therapy and what he has done to raise more than a million dollars for mental health awareness, even receiving the NBA’s Citizenship Award two weeks ago, you still call him impulsive, childlike and harken back to a time when he made a horrible decision because he did ONE stupid thing in a game. Because of that, he is untrustworthy and can’t be relied on the HELP us win a championship.
I guess Bynum can’t be trusted either since he really is a child at 22 and took out Michael Beasley with a foul. He was suspended for 2 games which makes his offense even more serious, right? Get rid of him too. Oh, wait, he gets a pass.
Unbelievable.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
How do you know Artest wasn't trying to do the same thing?
And if we lose this series, you’re seriously saying it’s because of Artest?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Not even a big deal.
He barely hurt him and he will come back after the win in game 3 even stronger.
Agree, lol. This "dirty" play was "mickey mouse" as some dude said.
This shouldn’t have been a suspension. It’s not like he swung his elbow to knock his teeth out, he reached to make the foul. BS call. BS suspension. Fuck the dude that reviews this shit. Plus I never heard anything about rescinding that first tech. That first tech was a ghost tech on him.
Plus replace him with who? We r better off with getting Dwight instead. Bynum isn’t as good as he was. A year ago I saw him shooting jumpers like Gasol and making them. Gasol ain’t making jumpshots either. Now they lost range and need to go all near the rim? Fish did’t do shit either. Ron scored and contributed more than him this last game.
Don’t blindly scapegoat bruh.
I agree
He held out his arm and it went higher than he wanted. He patted the guy on his back. I don’t why this was a suspension. I can understand a foul or a technical but not a suspension. It just wasn’t in the attitude of the foul.
I agree completely
This was a sissy suspension. I mean, yea, he hit him, but it wasn’t malicious; it was dumb. He didn’t even leave a minor mark. I don’t think he deserved the first tech he got in the game, but the hit at the end just deserved a tech.
At most it was Flagrant 1
because he did hit him in the face while making no play on the ball. It seemed like he thought Odom wasn’t going to foul, so he was gonna run over to do a tough foul. I don’t think it was suspension-worthy, but I understand why it was
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
hell, even I was wondering why
Odom was hesitating to foul Barea
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Ron isnt going anywhere
no GM in their right mind would touch that contract.
"We have trust issues." - Andrew Bynum
twitter
Would you say he's
trippin?? lol
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Can anyone explain to me the Luke Walton situation?
I remember watching the NBA playoffs a few years back and saw that he got a decent chunk of playing time as a young player. I thought he’d be a heavy rotation guy by now. What’s up?
He had injuries, and then turned out to be a terrible player
Not trying to be flip – that’s really the story in a nutshell.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on May 5, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
No
back problems and lack of scoring/defending ability leaves him with one replaceable skill: Passing
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
He's a Walton
/end of conversation
by C.A. Clark on May 5, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Some historical precedent
From whowins.com
In the NBA quarterfinals (second round), only 9 times has the team with HCA to start lost the first 2 games (out of 99 series).
Of those 9 times, only twice did the team down 0-2 win the series.
2 out of 9 is your “historical probability” for what it’s worth.
If you gave me those odds, I’d take it, because I think the Lakers’ chances are better than that. But they’ve really given themselves no margin of error now. Dallas is in the driver’s seat obviously, and they control their own destiny.
The best the Lakers can do is execute well and let the chips fall where they may.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
Execute "well," not perfectly.
If Pau has finally heard enough and decides that he’s going to just lower his head and go to the hole, Dirk will have no answer. Between Gasol and Drew, the Dallas bigs will fall to fouls.
If we win game three, I think the famed Dallas psyche will come into play. The pressure will be back on them to win game four at any cost, and not let the series end up with 2 of 3 in L.A.
Former LakersForDeuce: "The 2010 champs made me up the ante and change my name!"
by LakersForTrey on May 5, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to just "Lower your head and go to the hole" when players can hack at your arms without calls
Ala Deshawns “block” on him. They’re not getting calls in the paint, clear as day.
Agree, Pau has been getting fewer calls than fouls, by large margin
Gotta use some of those jump hook moves and clear with the off hand.
The perfect end to a 3 peat.
We are going to win and win big. It will be the best come back ever. It takes winning one game and then the next. We will have homecourt and then they will panic. We can do this, we have in the past and we will now. Just another test my friends.
The Great Comeback!!!
BELIEVE!!!! it will still be the LAKERS in the Finals. it will be dramatic comeback!!!
remember in the regular season?
we lost the first game against dallas, but then we won the next two. if you think about it, we lost the first two, so that means we’ll win the next four on account of multiply the numbers by two! hahah
make sense?
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Do you guys like yourselves?
I honestly don’t get how you can like the Lakers. Didn’t we all grow up in the same universe? We watched the same movies. We were taught the same values (for the most part). If this is true then why on earth would you call yourself a Lakers fan?
1) Kobe Bryant tries to talk “hood”. He used the word tripping a few days ago. Kobe. You’re 33 years old. You can talk street if you’re under 18 OR if you’re a rapper from Compton. Anyone else looks stupid when using that language.
2) Phil Jackson has won X number of championships with Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, and Pau. Most overrated coach of all time? He’s in the running.
3) Your fans suck. People on sports radio comment that Laker fans show up to games late in the first quarter and aren’t focused on the game.
4) You’ve won X number of championship, and have the highest payroll in the NBA. You are the team the Might Ducks face at the end of Mighty Ducks 1, 2, and 3.
5) Ron Artest is a thug. Stu Barns is a thug.
6) Celebrities watch your team.
7) Your city has so much more than sports. There is something about watching a Packers game in Lambo field. Those people bleed the Packers. You Lakers fans are the opposite.
I will think of more reasons not to like the Lakers, hang on one second…
awww jealous burn huh?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
well if your sorry ass wants a real answer
I like them because they were my introduction to sports at a young ass age and I live very close to where they are. Also like them because they do win alot and when they went through tough years, I still loved them because they were my hometown team and I knew that better days were ahead.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
So you like laundry.
Great answer.
Why not like players rather than like a team due to its proximity to you? You’re mindless.
wow dude you must slit your wrists when the lakers win
I love the Lakers but its not like sports will completely ruin my life and I get all ultra sensitive over it like you seem to get. Your life must suck.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and trust me. I'm not jealous.
I get to watch a stuck up franchise like the lakers walk off into the forest and die this year. Watching their demise has been sweet this year.
not happening this year
lakers were just fucking around the last two games. Wait and see what the heart of a champion can do to another inferior team
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You're delusional...
It’s round two of the NBA playoffs. They got beat at home by an superior team who wants it more. Heart of a champion? More like heart of a heavyweight fighter who gets fat and loses the fire after he wins the belt.
dallas is not a superior team
When both teams are playing in their highest gear, the more talented team wins which you will see happen the rest of the series.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
More...
8) Derrick Fisher is one of the worst floppers in the NBA. Havent we all been taught to earn what we get? I tell my kids to NOT play like this guy when he acts.
9) Lamar Odom has no heart. One of the most talented players in the NBA and he acts like he’s proud to get the 6th man award. I’m sure we all watched Rudy and Rocky. You know, people with less talent who wanted it more than the next guy.
10) Free agent destination. They are the Yankees of the NBA. Once again, haven’t we been taught to appreciate the entities who have to fight for everything they earn?
dude this is pure jealousy!! ahaha
Who is your team man?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I could name any other NBA team and you would mindlessly bash them with no real reasons.
I don’t know how you can look at the folks up in Portland and appreciate how they run things up there.
who said i dont appreciate how they run stuff there?
I admire how they are competitive all the time without being a huge market like San Antonio does.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
because they were my first sports team
who was your first team?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
In the NBA? Probably Portland, though I've never even been to Oregon.
I just like the way that franchise was built. I love all of their players. There isn’t a single player on that roster that I don’t at least have a mild appreciation for. I just value what they stand for. I could never root for THIS lakers team because they stand for things I do not value.
My original favorite sports team was the Buffalo Bills because I’m from Buffalo. I will admit that there has been a two year stretch when I didn’t root for them because I didn’t like the core of their players. That’s a true fan.
Being a fan means rooting for whoever you want
but not abandoning that team when things go rough which is what I never will do. I would be like that if I grew up in Portland and that was my first sports team. But I grew up near L.A. and they were my first fucking team from like 6 years old man. It sticks with you forever. You just dont fucking get it. I honestly dont care about the shit you said above because as long as the Lakers are still playing in the NBA, I will root for them to win no matter what.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't take me for some asswipe bandwagoner fan
who just likes them cuz they’re from L.A. and win alot.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with bandwagons...
As I told you. I grew up in Buffalo. There was a time, during the Drew Bledso era, that I revoked my fandom because I didn’t like the players on our team. We were a .500 team for the most part when Drew was our QB and we had numerous players who would showboat after a play when we were down in the ballgame.
It has nothing to do with jumping on the wagon when the team is good or bad. It has everything to do with rooting for players, coaches, and your city. That’s something I will never understand about this LA Lakers fanbase. You are rooting for boarderline scum. How can you live with yourself?
I dont give a shit
how the players are like personally or where they’re from or what the city is like you fuckin retard. I care if they play basketball in the NBA and play the hardest they can every night and get the best out of the talent they have. I dont look for moral values and shit in sports cuz if you do than just go root for your christian school’s softball team.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I could never do that.
I guess I’m just a different breed than you are. I use my head when watching sports. You support whatever team they tell you to support.
i support the team i grew up loving from the moment I first saw them
thats how most fans are. Why would you care so much about wtf they do or how they are in their personal lives thats kinda weird man lol
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop feeding him man.
He’s bringing some Yahoo Sports level discourse.
Kelly Dwyer is without a doubt one of the worst sportswriters in the world. The only reason I say he's "one of the" and not "THE worst" is because I haven't read enough of the Russians' coverage of the NBA to make a fair assessment.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on May 5, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You are rooting for boarderline (sic) scum
Bit judgmental, aren’t we?
I support the team and players that value championship character, work ethic , teammwork, and a leader that has a fearless determination and takes up the challenge to be the best at what he does. That happens to be the Lakers, and has been since 1996.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
lol...
His post is so full of “sic” it’s laughable.
Credibility….it starts with intelligence.
Who is a fan of Drew Bledsoe and doesn’t know how to spell it?
Who the hell is Stu Barns? Isn’t he the dentist from The Hangover?
Lambo field? Do they sell fast Italian Sports cars there?
Starting an internet war with pathetic spelling is like starting a street fight with a wiffle ball bat.
This dude makes me happy that my parents gave a shit about education.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
THIS!!!
Haven’t we already discussed the kind of character on this team? The Lakers didn’t win their championships because of character. They won becauseThe Logo amassed a crazy amount of talent on their roster.
Teamswork?! Have you watched when the Lakers struggle over the past two years? They are KNOWN for not playing team ball. Kobe is a hawker and, according to Bynum, the team doesn’t trust eachother or play help defense. What are you people buying?
I can appreciate Kobes work ethic. I think that is sort of admirable. However, his selfish play, the fact that he’s been vastly overrated these past two years, and his “trying to sound gangsta” when he’s 33, was raised in wealth, and has been a multimillionaire almost half his life make me think he is someone to root against, not for. Oh and he bought a helicopter to go to practice. You have got to be kidding me. I love to see guys like this when their career and their team is overtaken by better, younger athletes.
lol
tripping is not a “gangsta” phrase. It’s just a phrase not used by you.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
You can amass all the talent you want
The Knicks had the highest payroll in 2008.
The Mavs had the highest payroll in 2007.
What did that get them?
Teamwork, along with one great player (Kobe) and one very very good player (Gasol) trumps talent.
And that is why the Lakers have won the last two titles.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire
by Gil Meriken on May 6, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Portland? WTF? There are many NBA teams that are great. The Bulls look very good.
I love their grit and hustle (Noah!) plus the OKC Thunder. I would totally be 50% less pissed if any of those teams won the NBA Finals. But the Lakers still have a chance. And yes, screw all other teams. They SucK!!!!
exactly I hope if we go down its OKC/ Bulls Finals
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the Bulls too.
They are one of my favorite teams as well.
My only knock against them, and I know this is pretty weak, but I can’t stand how people gush over D. Rose. I actually like the Bulls a little less because he “earned” the MVP award this year. Lebron should have gotten his fifth MVP award this year because he’s been the best player in the NBA for the past 5 years.
Oh of course, a Lebron fan
It all makes perfect sense now.
Kelly Dwyer is without a doubt one of the worst sportswriters in the world. The only reason I say he's "one of the" and not "THE worst" is because I haven't read enough of the Russians' coverage of the NBA to make a fair assessment.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on May 5, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You have so many "favorites" you can't pick just one.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I knew it. That post from you above was you trying hard to get the bait bit.
Funny man. Go back to the Mavs blog dude.
The cowboys suck, the Mavs too. It’s all about the Lakers and Raiders. :)
he's a dallas guy?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
im gonna start off with..
and welcome to SSR
Tim Duncan wins championships. Vince Carters fills the arenas.
Kobe Bryant does both.
The ideal way to win a championship is step by step.
-Phil Jackson
lol
While I don’t mind Beiber, this is just another sign as to what kind of fans this organization attracts.
Hey they are revenue, nothing more. They are good cashcows. Plus they want to be entertained.
What’s wrong with that?
bills fan ahahaha
close
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL this guy...
You really think you’re special huh? LOL quit trying to act all high and mighty. Learn how to be a true fan dude. You’re nothing.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick?" Bryant asked. "You’re going to look at the stats first?"
he's prolly never stepped outside his city limits
and only seen a person of color on TV
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL seriously
He is really tripping over Kobe saying “tripping” LOL
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick?" Bryant asked. "You’re going to look at the stats first?"
Seriously, since when the fuck is "tripping" = "hood"?
How white is this guy?
Kelly Dwyer is without a doubt one of the worst sportswriters in the world. The only reason I say he's "one of the" and not "THE worst" is because I haven't read enough of the Russians' coverage of the NBA to make a fair assessment.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on May 5, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't hear many multimillionaires using that word.
Like I said, if your from Compton its OK to use all your life OR if your a 17 year old who looks up to, and feels pressure from all the rappers on MTV. It looks pathetic when Kobe tries to do it.
You don't hear of many multimillionaires
being as young as Kobe is either. lol.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
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Kobe is young?!
He’s 33 and he talks like he’s 16.
Oh and people, let’s not get hung up on the word “trippin’” Kobe uses hood slang all the time. He’s too old for it. He’s too rich for it. He’s too intelligent for it. He’s too far removed for it.
Ron Artest can pull it off. Kobe just comes off as fake in interviews.
Can’t wait to see them fall.
Yes, Kobe is young for a multimillionaire
there’s a reason people are surprised and make lists for young millionaires under the age of 35.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
No, we are going to get hung up on the word.
I’m more hung up on your broad, sweeping, generalizations.
Have fun rooting for this guy/team/attitude...
Only two more games (hopefully). I would love to see Kobe and the Fakers get sweeped.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/radio/index
Yeah, every team has floppers. You’ve got to be kidding me.
Just to throw another couple adjectives
pejorative, condescending, deleterious, and malevolent
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
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Well, to be fair, Kobe has been a millionaire since he was 20.
And your comments about using the word “tripping” if you’re from Compton is borderline racist.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on May 6, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's midnight, and i'm kinda bored.
1) Kobe is almost trilingual, fluent in italian and english, and knows a lot of spanish. So he used the word tripping. It’s called the colloquial language. it uses slang words. Different cultures have different basic everyday vocab. If kobe grew up on hawaii and spoke in pidgin english you’d hate him as well? Honestly, if you don’t like “hood” language, i’m pretty sure you dislike perhaps 75% of nba players.
2) Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe and Pau, have won one championship without Phil Jackson. And that was with Pat Riley, the guy who ran showtime of Magic, Kareem, and all those other guys.
3) there are what, 10 million people living in los angeles county as of 2008 data (http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=uspopulation&met=population&idim=county:06037&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+of+los+angeles)
You are going to find greater number of each type of fan in a group of 10 mil then in a group of 1 mil. every team has those fans. Fans in Miami, after landing your MVP of the last 5 years, wouldn’t even bother to show up by halftime most games. they had to beg fans to go to games. The people that go to laker games is based of economics, but there are plenty in that group of 10 mil who are rabid like blazer fans and are willing to arrive early, stay late, and yell there hearts out. You’re looking at a nonrepresentative sample of fans when you just talk about the ones that “arrive late”
4) so we have an owner that is willing to spend money to put out a winning product? this sounds like jealousy because other owners are just trying to cut costs. maybe they should make better business decisions eh? Buss, by spending lots of money, can make even more money if the team wins because of his spending a little more money in the first place. Thats just good business.
5) no, he’s a physical basketball player with documented mental issues. he grew up in a tough place, and has risen above it and succeeded.
Who is stu barnes?
6) Celebrities watch our team. So you hate the lakers because people who have made a shit ton of money and worked hard for it, watch the lakers? Do you hate the red sox? the clippers? celebrities watch those teams as well. They are people just like we are, why can’t they have the same rights we do.
7) again, sample size. per wikipedia the population of green bay wisconsin
Population (2010)
- City 104,057
Once again, there are 10 million people in LA county. You could easily find 100k of them who bleed lakers.
8) in my mind, a flopper is someone who acts like there was contact when there wasn’t any: see manu ginobli, chris bosh
derek fisher gets hit plenty of times, what he is good at is making sure the refs notice said contact and call the foul.
9) lamar odom has been described as the heart and emotional center of the team various times the last two championship runs. Lol.
10) which explains why the clippers have gotten all the free agents these last few years. Maybe the lakers just foster a culture of #winning, and people like winning.
Roll Shaw
Thank you for comment #8 especially
I am so fucking tired of people calling Fisher a flopper. Fisher takes charges. Occasionally Fish slightly embellishes the contact. Fish does not flop.
BTW, you forgot to add Chris Paul to your list of floppers. That dude acts like he got with a cannonball every time the air conditioning comes on in the arena.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
*got hit
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
i just put the ones i've seen.
i know there have been a lot more, but i hardly saw the lakers hornets series so i’m not making calls on that one.
Roll Shaw
You get the reputation you earn.
Fisher has been stamped a flopper because he’s one of the worst in the NBA at it.
OK, prove it.
Show me a flop.
I bet if you can show me one, I can show you 10 from Manu, CP, etc.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
He can't show you anything. He be banned.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
You're out of touch. Then again, your an LA fan...
1) Only a certain type of person could argue that a 33 year old, who has been weatlhy his entire life, should try and use the dialect of people who grew up in harsh environments. I’m sorry but Kobe feels pressure to be someone he’s not. I can’t respect that.
3) I can’t stand Miami fans either. The fact remains though that LA belongs in that grouping as opposed to real fanbases such as Portlands. It’s night and day if you’ve ever been up to the Rose Garden. It should embaress everyone who steps foot in the staples center.
5) This just in…All NBA thugs have mental issues. That doesn’t give me the go ahead to root for them. I guess you like seeing 6 foot 9 guys closeline little 6 foot 180 lb point guards who don’t talk trash, and just play one of the most blue collar games you can find. Call me crazy but ONCE AGAIN, I tell my kids not to conduct themselves in that manner when they are playing ball. Funny how you can root for that.
6) I don’t mind that celebrities watch the lakers. I just think its indicative of the kind of fan base you have there. Go watch the Redsox play. I wouldn’t describe their fanbase as full of a bunch of rich primadanas. The Staple Center is a place to go to get seen. It’s not a place you go to watch a basketball game. That is something I can’t respect.
7) I don’t think you realize how different some fanbases are to yours in LA. Go to a Knicks game. That place gets LOUD and the fans care about what happens on the court. Would you like to Wiki New York Citys population for me?
8) You have got to be kidding me with this. Derek Fisher flops any time he thinks a ref might see it. He does not only embellish the times when there is contact. Only a true homer would say something like this. Learn to remove yourself a little bit. Youd come off less biased.
9) You can be an “emotional leader” (only in LA huh?) all you want but when your diet sucks and your work ethic is weak it doesn’t make me want to work for you. Once again, he had the talent to be a top 3 player in the NBA during his career. He had the heart to be a borderline 6th man.
10) The Clips don’t get free agents due to ownership. You should realize that.
7) I feel that's going to change in NY soon
they’re already upping ticket prices. Their prices have been low this entire decade as they’ve been losing money because they had a terrible team. Those folks are going to have to pay eventually
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TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Actually
Nd unfortunately Dolan wasn’t losing money. In the worst of times ~94% of tickets were sold. It took 3 months of NBa games for them to jump back to the most valuable franchise. It was actually disheartening to see people still paying during the Thomas era. It’s ljke being a cubs fan. You don’t show your dissatisfaction by showing up and paying exorbitant prices. If 8000 were showing up nightly rather than 18000 from 04-07 maybe Thomas wouldn’t have lasted as long.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on May 6, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
ahh i c
I thought they had been losing slight margins, but I guess it was just lower profit. lol
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Believe me
It’s downright baffling.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on May 6, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I know it’s bad form to feed a troll (is that too colloquial for you?), but I can’t resist.
Did you even pay attention to what gen!e said? Or did you decide to just repeat what you’d said for the most part?
1) Tripping is not a thug word. It’s as simple as that. It may have started that way, but it has pretty wide spread use now. Sure, it’s not proper English, I wouldn’t use it in a job interview or anything, but in my everyday life? I’m white and from a decently well off family, but I don’t use the word trippin because I’m trying to be something I’m not, I use it because it appropriately express a feeling – no different than any other word.
3) You say you can’t stand Miami (which was just an example) and ignore the actual point gen!e was making. There are lots of Lakers fans who bleed purple and gold, but they aren’t always the ones who can afford to go to the games (Lakers tickets are fairly expensive if you didn’t know). Additionally many true Lakers fans (in the sense that you mean – e.g. that they get loud, which really isn’t the only indication of a fan) do go to games, but they sit in the upper levels and don’t get the same camera time that the celebrities do.
The Rose Garden should embarrass (spelling isn’t that hard on a computer) us? You mean the same arena that Kobe used to get MVP chants in? (Like in so many other arenas – NY, Boston, etc) Now I’m not saying Portland doesn’t have true fans, it does, I’m just saying even your idealized fan base isn’t perfect by your standards.
5) How about showing your kids that not everyone is perfect and using Ron Artest as an example of someone who has worked hard to overcome their problems and make a positive impact in the world? You keep bringing up your kids and I find the values you seek to install in them odd. You seem to have some great problem with rooting for guys who have flaws (everyone does) even if they are attempting to work past them, but you apparently have no problem throwing salt in peoples wounds and attempting to relish in the suffering of other people. I don’t have kids, but when I do that is not a lesson I want them to learn.
7) See above about Kobe MVP chants in NY
8) You can find a flopper on pretty much every NBA team. Move on.
9) Really? There was a great article about this, but I can’t find it at the moment, maybe someone else knows the one I’m talking about. Did you ever consider that sometimes we expect too much from athletes? He works hard, and yes perhaps he didn’t achieve his full potential, but that can be said about the majority of athletes and people in general. A borderline 6th man? He just won 6th man of the year and could start for most teams in the NBA. Please come back to reality.
10) So what you’re saying is they have the same market and weather and location but the Clippers don’t get free agents due to ownership, and the Lakers do get free agents due to ownership? So they run their team better and some how we should like them less for that? You pretty much agreed with gen!e while trying to disagree here.
And to your complaint of personal attack below, please get off your high horse. You’ve come off as condescending with all of your posts. They don’t attack individuals, true, but they attack everyone on the site instead. You essential told us we should be ashamed of ourselves and that we are horrible people. So please, don’t act offended by “loser” (seriously if that’s the worst you get when you act like this I would be shocked).
Have you seen
The celebrity row at the garden? Oh and tickets are raised 49% next year. There has been an incredible amount of bandwagoners since the melo trade, this isn’t unique to LA, although it’s more prevalent in NYC and LA.
I’ll give you the garden being loud though. In the 90s nothing came near it, and there has yet to be an explosion anywhere else like the 4 point play.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on May 6, 2011 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Ron Artest is far from a thug. Has he made mistakes? Yes. But by the actual definition of a “thug” and the behaviors we attribute to them, there are very, very few thugs, if any, in the NBA. And the ones that are don’t last long. For someone claiming that LA is a bunch of “rich primadanas” (spelling is hard) you are speaking in a very uppity and condescending way as if folks can’t make mistakes. Lets just say, you’re not representing yourself or whatever fanbase you represent very well
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
1) there is a whole science behind how people talk and all that shit. But kobes a 33 year old, multi-millionaire. i think that first of all, he has earned the right to talk how ever the fuck he wants, and the 1st amendment guarantees it. also, when kobe gives an interview, he is addressing an audience right? if you are talking to a crowd, where 99% of them understand spanish, but only 50% understand french, do you speak in french, or in spanish?
5) i’m just gonna go with klofslofski here
5) How about showing your kids that not everyone is perfect and using Ron Artest as an example of someone who has worked hard to overcome their problems and make a positive impact in the world? You keep bringing up your kids and I find the values you seek to install in them odd. You seem to have some great problem with rooting for guys who have flaws (everyone does) even if they are attempting to work past them, but you apparently have no problem throwing salt in peoples wounds and attempting to relish in the suffering of other people. I don’t have kids, but when I do that is not a lesson I want them to learn.
6) then jack nickolson and lou adler must really be want to be seen, a lot.
Nicholson is a fan of the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Lakers. His attendance at Lakers games is legendary, as he is a season ticket holder since 1970 and has held courtside season tickets for the past 25 years at both The Forum and the Staples Center, missing very few games. In a few instances, Nicholson has engaged in arguments with game officials and opposing players, and has even walked onto the court.20 His ardent refusal to miss a Lakers home game means that studios are rumored to have to schedule filming around the Lakers home schedule2021 although he disputed this claim in an interview with BBC radio in 2008.22
Roll Shaw
Kobe tries to talk "hood"?
Thats an ignorant statement. I don’t care about the rest of the garbage you said, but you can take your ignorant, uninformed, unintelligent diatribes somewhere else. Just because someone uses a slang term different from something you might use doesn’t give you the leeway to label them. You can keep your ignorant personal attacks to yourself, because, unbeknownst to you, I know plenty of people, regardless of race and socio-economic status, that use slang terms when they are in a relaxed state. Grow up.
Damn
I’ve been in 3D this whole time. Fucking Avatar
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
He still sucks, you don't come on a fan site and call them thugs. Loser
You just know he has no team now and just lives to try to put down others. Again Loser
yep haha
just tryin to make himself feel good and less insecure
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The mods should just boot David Jaffe off the site.
C.A., Dex, SCG, wondahap?
he's gone
hasnt made a post for a while
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
dudes lucky Josh Tucker's not around. lol
Tim Duncan wins championships. Vince Carters fills the arenas.
Kobe Bryant does both.
The ideal way to win a championship is step by step.
-Phil Jackson
And what's Josh's role on SSR?
I don’t see his name at the bottom of the page.
he's in heaven
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
he's the founder of SSR but had to leave
he’s in SSR heaven
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
while David Jaffe is in SSR Hell
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I just found Josh Tucker's SB Nation page
http://www.sbnation.com/users/Josh%20Tucker
Too bad he’s no longer a part of SSR. Now, he has his new homepage, where in his bio he does not reveal that he’s a Laker fan (I guess he shouldn’t do so).
Josh Tucker - NBA Author
I was born in Fresno, California, where I spent most of my childhood. At the age of 10, my family moved abroad, living in Switzerland, France, and several West African countries, before returning to California when I turned 19. I’ve since lived in Oregon and Kansas, and currently reside in San Antonio, Texas, with my wife and, very soon, my daughter. I have been an NBA fan since before I can remember and am extremely passionate about the sport. In 2009, I founded one of the major SB Nation basketball blogs, and in the spring of that year I covered the NBA Finals in Los Angeles for NBA.com. I am currently a high school math teacher, a volleyball coach, and of course, The Hometown Fan’s NBA Author.
Try this...
It’s not updated anymore, but he started it. He also founded SSR.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
do you know where he is at now?
over at http://thehometownfan.com/half-court-swish.html
"Phil Jackson seems to enjoy his status as 'NBA grand philosopher' and uses that platform to lob verbal hand grenades into other franchises or the league offices for fun." - Kurt Helin
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to explain where he is....just who he is to us.
I probably didn’t make that clear. Yeah, I know about that one, but just because he told us a while ago.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
ah, yea
I should have figured you were explaining that to the new guy
carry on PS lol
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you really have to kill the dude? LOL
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Kobe Bryant does both.
The ideal way to win a championship is step by step.
-Phil Jackson
busy
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You got it.
Still reading the one Bills program that he borrowed from a friend years ago. Sadly wondering why, why, why.
He's been warned
Let’s refrain from calling anyone a loser. Thanks.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on May 5, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
the shit he said should mean the boot IMO
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
he was basically being racist
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I sincerely hope that the handful of other people in this thread who have attacked me personally have been warned as well.
While I may have attacked general populations, more than a couple people in here have thrown insults directly at my character.
I get the feeling that you only issue warnings to non Laker fans though. Can’t say I’m not suprised.
Nonreality called me a “loser”. Nothing I said was directed towards any single individual on this message board.
Kind of fits the bill though.
Go Mavericks!
Dude didn't even realize that Dex was chiding the SSR members who called him a loser
Man, what a loser
No, but seriously though folks
Don’t call people losers
by C.A. Clark on May 6, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Loser.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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lmao
"Phil Jackson seems to enjoy his status as 'NBA grand philosopher' and uses that platform to lob verbal hand grenades into other franchises or the league offices for fun." - Kurt Helin
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LOL, fuck, except that he's not kidding!
I couldn’t post a comment and had to do that whole “accept these terms and conditions” thing!
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
I got this message that tells me I'm not allowed to post comments on this blog.
So I tried to post a test comment and nothing happened. Then when I tried to check my admin stuff, I get “PERMISSION DENIED”. I almost peed my pants until the warning popped up.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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LOL, dude, I was getting in my car to drive to LBC and hunt you down!
And thank you for the smiley face, even though you have now ruined my perfect record of never being warned or banned. FIX IT!
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Yeah, a badge of honor to be banned from my own site, where I'm a mod!
LOL, you are in sooooo much trouble.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Mmm hmmm, yeah, but no.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
LOL
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
Are you disappoinated that Magic Johnson is so pessimistic about the Lakers?
He heavily criticized the Lakers publicly after home losses to Miami and Boston, and now he has lost hope in the Lakers coming back against Dallas. Thoughts?
he just doesnt like how this group of lakers has been the last few yrs
He doesnt like their casual attitude and stuff which his teams never played with under Riley.
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
he's kind of a frontrunner on twitter
sorry.
One minute he’s preaching how we need trades, next he’s saying we are the best team.
"We have trust issues." - Andrew Bynum
twitter
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 5, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Lakers aren't playing like champs
the champ should criticize it. I got no problems with it. You’d think it would serve as motivation when a freaking 5-time champ and former part-owner can’t even feel faith in you and he actually used to hold stock in the team
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Magic's a salesman now
He’s selling his name and analysis; can’t look at him as anything else. He is a legend, but his commentary is intelligent salesmenship
I didn't say it wasn't sensational
just saying that even if it wasn’t he’d have a right to criticize
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
Game 2 Was a High School Coach's Dream.
After the weirdness of the box score in game 1, I decided to watch it pretty closely for game 2. It was pretty crazy how even it was for almost the whole game. There was one point where the Lakers were down 6 and were shooting the exact same field goal percentage and had hit the exact same number of field goals as Dallas, had the same number of turnovers, same number of rebounds-all sorts of stuff. The score differential was exactly the number of three pointers made.
The reason why I say it was a coach’s dream though, is that at that point the Lakers had 5 more free throws than Dallas, and they had missed 6. That’s the kind of thing that a coach tapes, shows to his kids and says “look how awful the Lakers played . . . but they would’ve been tied half way through the fourth quarter if they just hit their ’throws.”
Would the game have turned out differently had the Lakers been tied at that point? I don’t know, probably not. But it sure would have been nice to know.
by Derek Fisher Fan on May 6, 2011 1:19 AM PDT reply actions
Very well written, man. The truth has been spoken. Now we need a fucking win!
"I want what all men want. I just want it more." - Kobe Bryant
What's with everybody feeding the troll?
Really, we’re going to dignify his hate-filled opinion piece with that many responses? Ignore and imho /ban because of his over generalizations, and stereotyping of Laker fans.
There are a lot of haters who can’t wait for the Lakers to fail. Well, personally, I wouldn’t like to give them a sounding board via my favorite sports blog.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Wanted to give him plenty of rope because we pride ourselves on not overreacting
even when the team is sucking badly.
But yeah, he’s gone
I figured that's why he was still here
lol
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