Playoff Grades For Every Laker
It's been three days since the Lakers lay down and invited the Mavericks to spend a Sunday afternoon kicking them in the face, and I can't say my bitterness has faded much. Two championships were needed to drain away the poisonous memories of Game Six in Boston. If the Lakers hold up their end of the bargain by winning back-to-back titles in 2012 and 2013, I'll be happy to forgive what happened in Dallas. Until then, I'm going to make myself feel better the way I always do: by assigning blame to other people for things that displease me.
After the cut, I've handed out postseason grades to every Laker who took the court in the first or second round. Devin Ebanks didn't play, so he gets an incomplete. Neither did Derrick Caracter, but for getting pinched by the New Orleans PD while "obviously drunk" at an IHOP, he earns an honorary F minus. Everyone else is listed in ascending order of minutes played.
To the report cards!
Theo Ratliff: You recall those 54 seconds Theo played in Game One against the Hornets? I sure don't. And that's pretty typical for Theo's Laker career as a whole, which I think we can assume is over. But the box score says he got a rebound and didn't commit a foul or turnover, so... good work? I guess? Grade: C.
Luke Walton: In the end, not even Phil Jackson could find something to like about Luke Walton's game. The new Adam Morrison got nine straight DNP-CD's, including the Ron Artest suspension game, before Phil tossed him into the fire with less than five minutes remaining in the season and the Lakers down 34. Luke proceeded to miss both of his shots and commit a pair of turnovers. But following in the footsteps of Theo Ratliff, he did collect a defensive board! Only two more years and $11.5 million left on Luke's contract, people. We'll get there someday. Grade: D-.
Joe Smith: In Game Three against the Mavs, Andrew Bynum picked up two first-quarter fouls, so Phil began the second period with Joe Smith on the floor. Whoever was announcing - can't remember who it was - tried to make the case that Joe was still valuable because he was the number one overall pick in the 1995 draft. Possibly he was being sarcastic. Anyhow, while Joe was in the game, the Mavs scored nine points on six possessions and made four baskets within 10 feet of the hoop. Grade: D.
Trey Johnson: The great Trey J never got the chance to dominate the opposition the way we know he can. Phil gave him just 12 minutes of burn scattered across three games. Had he been given 20 minutes a night, obviously we'd be prepping for a Western Conference Finals showdown against the Grizzlies or Thunder. Trey J made just 1 of 5 field-goal attempts, though his four rebounds are nice. Grade: C-.
Matt Barnes: Matt's playing time was cut back severely in the playoffs, to 13 minutes a game from 19 in the regular season. Part of that was Phil's effort to match up with small lineups the Mavs were using, but part of it was an understandable response to Barnes's poor play. The problem, as it's been for so much of Matt's career, is that he thinks of himself as a three-point shooter. He's not. He made 2 of 12 attempts from long distance in the playoffs and would be much better off if he'd focus on being a garbage man par excellence. On the positive side, he didn't get thrown out of any games. Grade: C-.
Steve Blake: It's hard to remember now, but Blake actually had a pretty strong series against the Hornets. He made 4 of 7 three-pointers, dished out 16 assists and committed only three turnovers. The Mavs, unfortunately, flame-grilled his ass. Blake was one of several perimeter defenders who were helpless to stop Barea's penetration, and his inability to make a three-point shot turned him into an offensive albatross. I'd give him a D- had he infected anyone with chickenpox. Since they didn't happen... Grade: C.
Shannon Brown: Shannon's been viciously flayed for his postseason performance, but I actually don't think he was that horrible. He took good care of the ball and was one of the team's more efficient scorers in the Dallas series. I get, though, that his dribble-dribble-dribble-jumpshot routine is torture to watch, and he really shouldn't have this much trouble figuring out when to go over and when to go under a screen. Grade: C.
Lamar Odom: After a regular season in which he finally shed his rep for flakiness, Lamar reverted to his classically Odomesque up-and-down form in the playoffs. He had a few games when he disappeared and a few when he was among the two or three most productive Lakers. Dirk Nowitzki lit up him, but I suspect he would've done the same to 100% of the human race. Although Lamar was rarely the Lakers' main problem, he likewise rarely looked a threat to swing a game in their favor. More was needed from him. Grade: B-.
Ron Artest: Against the Hornets, Ron gave the Lakers exactly what they needed. He played good D, did his part on the boards and knocked down open treys. Against the Mavs, Ron unraveled. His shooting touch abandoned him, and he scored a one-game suspension for clobbering Jose Barea at the end of Game Two. When he was on the court his defense on Shawn Marion was more or less up to snuff. Grade: B-.
Andrew Bynum: Oh, Drew. Everything was going so well! You were a monster in the New Orleans series and the one Laker Dallas didn't have an answer for. Oh so briefly, you managed to put our Dwight Howard fantasies to rest. We would've been eating out of your hand all offseason. But you just couldn't help yourself. In the fourth quarter of the final game of the year, you just couldn't tune out that little gremlin on your shoulder imploring you to do something pointless and nasty to Jose Barea. And now you're suspended for five games next season. You'd better not spend that time watching soccer. Grade: B.
Derek Fisher: The Lakers' last chance to do anything in the Mavs series arrived right after halftime of Game Four. The Mavs had a big lead but went into a bad offensive slump, scoring two points on the first 10 possessions. A Laker run could've brought them within striking distance. But in a span of four offensive trips, Derek Fisher missed two wide-open threes and a layup. Although it probably wouldn't have made a difference in the end, this was the first clutch situation in a while in which Fish didn't come through for the Lakers. It didn't help that he was no better than a traffic cone at preventing Barea and Jason Terry from dribbling into the lane whenever they fancied. Grade: C.
Kobe Bryant: This was a fairly solid postseason for El Kobester. His shooting was rough at times and he couldn't conjure any endgame magic, but there was otherwise a lot to admire. His conduct of the offense was generally measured and thoughtful. He did his part to get the big men their touches. His defense against Chris Paul in Game Two and dunktastic explosion in Game Five of that series were key inflection points. And alone among Lakers, he played with unflagging pride and professionalism. Grade: B+.
Pau Gasol: I don't envy Pau the coming offseason, which will overflow with heated public chatter about his interior life, but that's the downside of being a Laker star. You get to make $18 million and be a prince of the city, but you'd better come through on the court. Pau lived through this once in 2008 and acquitted himself well. I'm reasonably confident he can do so again. Still... he's in danger of becoming the West Coast Chris Bosh. Grade: C.
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Ouch!
Still… he’s in danger of becoming the West Coast Chris Bosh
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
But bosh atleast knows how to step his game up
He had a poor game came back and had a great game unlike Gasol ASS
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by BrittneyM on May 11, 2011 10:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
But East Coast Chris Bosh is in the ECF :(
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by WnatKobyKareenLabronRailly on May 12, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
And now you’re suspended for five games next season. You’d better not spend that time watching soccer.
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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your kidding!
Gasol a C? how about a big fat F! didnt rebound,play defense and shot horribly! i think in general you were pretty high on most of these grades but a C for Gasol i dont see it!!
by the fantasy king on May 11, 2011 9:42 AM PDT reply actions
he's considering it.
Since they didn’t make it too deep into the playoffs he feels that he will get enough rest.
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rest your ass, pau.
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considering that there probably will be a lockout
maybe he needs the work.
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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oh yeah, totally forgot about the lockout.
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Kobe Bryant does both.
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i kinda thought he should play
when he plays during the summer he plays consistently throughout the regular and post season.. he rests and we get inconsistent pau
maybe this should do him some good
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by crushmybones on May 12, 2011 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don't know whether "rest" is good for Pau.
The “rest” he had last year didn’t go down well with the team this year.
Dean: Kobe will probably continue to play until he's 36; or barring any major injury...like death.
by Brownnel2000 on May 11, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I really give Pau GaSOFT
A Big fat F+!!! He didnt even bother to show up when we needed him………. If Pau has one good game, we would still be playing today!!
Since you playing ball let me show you how I put my "D" down........ Rebound!!! Your man dropped the ball and I caught it, Im trying to Lay-up in ur body, ya Im ballin!!!
Lol I agree
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There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
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by BrittneyM on May 11, 2011 10:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It probably comes with the following caveat
F for Effort.
I would also give him an F
F for FLAILING ARMS after every blow that he took and complained about
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by WnatKobyKareenLabronRailly on May 12, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Poor.. Luke. lol...
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Rec Dex got folks looking at me wondering why the hell I'm I laughing while at work but
Good stuff besides everyone other then Kobe, LO, Bynum, UPS and Ron Ron gets an FFF+++
Kobe: A
LO: C+
Bynum: C-
UPS: C
Ron: C
Those are the only 5 I can tell was doing something, good or bad their effort was there throughout the playoff run
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
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by BrittneyM on May 11, 2011 10:10 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
C- for Bynum is waaay off imo
He did his thing in the playoffs and outplayed the other “All-Star” on this team with fewer opportunities. Bynum gets a strong B or B+
If ya team aint the Lakers then your team SUCKS!
C- for that hit on barea and losing his cool
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There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
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by BrittneyM on May 11, 2011 7:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Trey J went from "imma get a ring now yesssssss this is crazy"
to…
“damn…that sucked.”
Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian
funny stuff haha
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
Pau's countenance in that photo says it all
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
I'm pretty sure Barea is the closest thing to a gremlin in this league.
you just couldn’t tune out that little gremlin on your shoulder imploring you to do something pointless and nasty to Jose Barea
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
Heat are going to wint his year =/
thats lame
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lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
You ever seen debby downer?
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For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Derrick Rose and Dirk Nowitzki would like a word with you.
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 11, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Amen on Kobe.
And alone among Lakers, he played with unflagging pride and professionalism. Grade: B+.
And Luke’s grade should be consistent with the season, D(NP-CD).
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by SoCalGal on May 11, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
you are so fucking mean man
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 11, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
it's "whoa"man not man
sheesh des
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
HUH
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 11, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He's trying to get you to say woman.
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
His contract
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
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rofl
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 11, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't it obvious?
Luke Walton is legendary.
"Everything negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise."
- Kobe B. Bryant
How can we let go of
SWAGBRO
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by WnatKobyKareenLabronRailly on May 12, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Great Analysis
Although I think the letter grade for Pau was too high. If Pau had played like himself, Dallas may still have won the series but no sweep and probably goes 7 games.
Fisher and Pau got C's?
If there were letter grades lower than an F those 2 should have gotten em. Pau more than Fisher because we already know Fish is a nonfactor on both ends of the court. All the others are pretty much on point tho
If ya team aint the Lakers then your team SUCKS!
I want to give myself an F for this series
didnt get to watch really any of it,saw kobe miss the game winner,broke tradition and shaved smh prob why we lost
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by Czheck on May 11, 2011 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
rec
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I think this is worthy of a temporary ban.
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To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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yep, me too man
thought it was over after brick fest in game 2 and Kobe’s FAIL. that message i wrote was inpirational but full of lies so yeah
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 11, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed with your analysis
So when do we start the thread where we fantasize about potential trades since we cant do shit in FA for a while?
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/5/10/2163962/all-purpose-trade-scenarios-fanpost
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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YES
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 11, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You can probably pin some of Gasol's troubles on Bynum
Gasol had to play huuuuge minutes to start the season when Bynum was out. Seems he lost his legs off and on during the season. Didn’t watch the Lakers a whole lot, but heard he slumped a couple of times during the season.
After all of those minutes he played the last 3 seasons, he didn’t need to spend time guarding centers this year.
LOL, I keep laughing at the look on Pau's face in that picture.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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LOL same here.
It’s hilarious
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
Pau looks like a downed airman taken POW in a Nam war movie.
"Confidence is a lot of this game or any game. If you don't think you can, you won't." - Jerry West
"If you're a competitive person, that stays with you. You don't stop. You always look over your shoulder" - Magic Johnson
"What I'm doing right now, I'm chasing perfection." - Kobe Bryant
"I gave it my body and mind, but I have kept my soul." - Phil Jackson
by Middle Earth Riverdweller on May 11, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, this, "I'm going to make myself feel better the way I always do: by assigning blame to other people for things that displease me..."
made me chuckle. Sad loss, but I think it’s really a blessing in disguise that we got pummeled the way we did. Sometimes to really get the best job out of your lithium battery, you have to milk it all out and then charge it completely. They’d be back with more hunger in the coming year(s). But, a tweak or two of the roster, esp the bench, may be necessary.
Dean: Kobe will probably continue to play until he's 36; or barring any major injury...like death.
Who said this?
Actually, this, “I’m going to make myself feel better the way I always do: by assigning blame to other people for things that displease me…”
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Dex did.
Dean: Kobe will probably continue to play until he's 36; or barring any major injury...like death.
by Brownnel2000 on May 11, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Last sentence, first paragraph.
Dean: Kobe will probably continue to play until he's 36; or barring any major injury...like death.
by Brownnel2000 on May 11, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks.
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To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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:)
You’re welcome.
Dean: Kobe will probably continue to play until he's 36; or barring any major injury...like death.
by Brownnel2000 on May 11, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
In terms of head and heart (not ability), biggest problems on this team
1. Odom – wants to make tv shows and sell stuff
2. Gasol – wants to be a doctor
3. Artest – wants to be a rap artist
4. Bynum – immaturity, anger issues, possible locker room saboteur
5. Barnes – wants to sell clothing
6. Brown – low basketball IQ
7. Fisher – thinks he can still start
Defense wins championships.
SMH
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on May 11, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because... man, thats simply not true. It's just not fact, its opinion. And it's the worst kind of opinion, its conjecture
It’s not an indictment on you, its just not something you can measure as relevant problems.
I see.
I actually thought it would be funny, but I guess not. Oh well, I guess not.
I am a bit surprised that people don’t think the off the court stuff is much of issue. It was brought up at one point by the team in mid-season but I didn’t read much about it in the blogs. Now that I think about it, Jordan was making movies during his title runs… or was that during his hiatus? But Jordan was good enough to get away with it.
Be Athletic.
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LOL
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
Bynums "Grade"
Why is everyone acting like this was an isolated incident with Bynum? He gets a free pass because they used to “throw harder fouls back in the day”? He’s a Sprewell. He’s a TO. He should be gone.
No one's acting that way
Try reading the many, many other things we’ve written about the Bynum incident. We reference over and over that this isn’t the first time something like this has happened.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on May 11, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I read a bunch last night
and it always came back to “well Magic did… blah blah blah” and “Patrick Ewing… blah blah blah” ‘Drew Bynum isn’t worthy to make Magics bed. And Ewing was scum. Show me tape of MJ repeatedly hitting guys who were in mid-air. Or Magic. I will happily recant my rant and apologize to ’Drew the next (and first lol) time I see him at a charity event or black tie dinner
it always came back to "well Magic did… blah blah blah" and "Patrick Ewing… blah blah blah"
No, it doesn’t always come back to that. You’re cherry-picking comments you didn’t like and ignoring the many people here, including the actual authors, who hate what Drew did.
Also, even if someone was justifying it on the grounds you suggest, that’s not the same as pretending it’s an isolated incident.
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by DexterFishmore on May 11, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, I went back and reread the article "Reckless not classless"
And you are correct… sort of. the posts mostly pointed to the past as I said (Except the author as you pointed out) but quickly devolved into making JOKES about Barerra’s height and discussions about every topic except ousting Bynum from (as I have said previously) one of the greatest B-Ball dynasties of all time (future included)
just chill
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on May 11, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Cont.
As possibly the greatest dynasty in B-Ball history the Lakers need players who are above all that tantrum/violence B.S.
Sorry Cont. AGAIN
Almost forgot my point.. LMAO. He gets an F. Because of disciplinary infractions. Sorry about that ramble
Instead of continuing, I think you need to stop.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Sorry if I offended anyone
apparently posters can compare hard fouls to slavery or make jokes about the fouled players height but can’t state an honest opinion without foul language or inappropriate comments without upsetting certain posters. I apologize for whatever infractions I commited
LOL, okay.
First, I doubt you offended anyone, and certainly not me. Second, the “poster” you refer to who “compare[d] hard fouls to slavery” was me, and that’s not what I did at all. I merely pointed out that because something was once acceptable (i.e., slavery), it doesn’t mean it’s acceptable now. I was telling people to stop saying that because something happened in the past, that doesn’t mean it’s okay now. I’m one of those people who hates what Andrew did. I can count on one hand how many SS&R members approve of what he did.
You only read what you wanted to read, as Dex said above. Your comments aren’t inappropriate, they just aren’t sensible. There is no way Bynum should be “ousted” from the Lakers organization because of what he did.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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There is no way Bynum should be "ousted" from the Lakers organization because of what he did.
And that is all the approval for what he dids that I need for my point to be valid.
And yeah I know the "slavery" comment was you lol
total cheap shot there sorry
So because I don't think he should lose his career, I approve of his actions?
Yup, selective interpretation, despite my very clear disapproval.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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wait wait wait
U give Pau a “C” letter grade and u expect to trade him for Howard? haha don’t u see NOW why the lakers wont get D12? Even the team who has Pau gives him a “C” what do u think the Magic give him? haha
Erm, I don't know how much influence Dex has on what "grade" the Lakers organization gives Pau.
But, hey, if he has that much swag, more power to him.
Even the team who has Pau gives him a "C" what do u think the Magic give him? haha
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Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Nice one there.
"Confidence is a lot of this game or any game. If you don't think you can, you won't." - Jerry West
"If you're a competitive person, that stays with you. You don't stop. You always look over your shoulder" - Magic Johnson
"What I'm doing right now, I'm chasing perfection." - Kobe Bryant
"I gave it my body and mind, but I have kept my soul." - Phil Jackson
by Middle Earth Riverdweller on May 11, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
"C" refers to THIS play-off performance, not the value of the player as a whole.
Even D12 wasn’t able to carry his team through the early rounds.
"Confidence is a lot of this game or any game. If you don't think you can, you won't." - Jerry West
"If you're a competitive person, that stays with you. You don't stop. You always look over your shoulder" - Magic Johnson
"What I'm doing right now, I'm chasing perfection." - Kobe Bryant
"I gave it my body and mind, but I have kept my soul." - Phil Jackson
by Middle Earth Riverdweller on May 11, 2011 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
You are very generous in grading Pau
No way do I give him a C and the team and coaching staff as a whole get an F for the Dallas series. That was just plain bad. I mean they couldn’t adjust to anything on defense.
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Pau...
Got that “what chu talkin’ bout Willis” look on his face. Game 4 was just so awful, I turned it off when the score was doable, just could tell by the majority of the body language they weren’t going to come through. Your report card was kinda nice to some players, and the Kobemeister did what he always does, play his damn heart out. I couldn’t look at anything sports or NBA related until today, that traumatized! I actually cried watching Phil’s exit interview, sad, can’t believe he won’t be back! (yeah, I’m a girl and I cry sometimes). However you SS&R’s are the best balm. I’m not too good with the back and forth on the posts, I’m a lurker and a hit and run poster, but I love this site and thank you for being there for crybabies like me!
Some consolation and perspective
Big deal the Lakers lost in Round 2 and got swept
The Celtics lost in Round 2 and won ONE game gee what a great accomplishment.
Unfortunately in the 4 year run of the BIg 3 plus Rondo -
The Celtics won ONE NBA Title, made another final, and lost in the 2nd round twice
The Lakers won TWO Titles, made another final and lost once in the 2nd round.
Hard to argue as to which team was more successful during this time period.
Defense wins championships.
by thestuff01 on May 11, 2011 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It's really that hard to argue? LOL!
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
That one win must have equated to another title AND erased an extra 2nd round loss
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
And the Spurs LOST!!!
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by WnatKobyKareenLabronRailly on May 12, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pau lived through this once in 2008 and acquitted himself well. I’m reasonably confident he can do so again.
CAN we just STOP with this people. IT DIDN"T happen except in your mind. Getting to the finals is not a failure. Getting blown out in the second round when you are the two times championship is a failure. If you keep calling failure when there is none, you can’t recognize the actual failure (like now).
Not sure how anybody but Bynum and Kobe got over a C+. Even Kobe was B- Kobe and Bynum was a B, because he still didn’t bring his A material (I hope).
Pau a C was the most generous. Dude pretty much cost the series. For Pau that was an F+ at best (unlike in 2008 where HE PLAYED WELL).
In the 2008 finals against his nemesis, Pau had a 0.532 field goal percentage (0.530 for entire playoffs) 10.2 rebounds per game (9.3 for all playoffs), 14.7 points per game (16.9 in all playoffs).
Defense? Kevin Garnett had a playoff average fgp of 0.429 in 2008 finals, playoff average of 0.495, 10.5 rpg playoffs, 13.0 2008 finals, 18.2 playoffs, 20.4 finals.
2011 against Dallas? (Pau had a) 0.422 fgp (0.420 for all playoffs), 9.3 rebounds (7.8 for playoffs) per game, 12.5 ppg (13.1 for all of playoffs).
Pau sucked this post-season for the first time ever as a Laker, period.
Can’t wait for Luke Walton’s “Decision 2013”, it should be pretty exciting. The great part of the 11.5 million is that you pretty much double it with the luxury tax, 23 million for Luke WHEW! Maybe we should just make him coach and save some money. Mitch, you better work some magic because I’m not sure how much clout you have left with Pau now that his brother is good and those checks are still going to Luke.
OK, we get it - you think Pau played well in 2008
When I wrote that “he lived through it once in 2008,” I meant that he endured an offseason of heavy criticism about his play. As is pretty clearly indicated by the context surrounding the words in question. Maybe you think that criticism was misplaced, but it obviously happened.
Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.
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by DexterFishmore on May 12, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Its easy to blow off crticsism when it isn't warranted
But when you know in your heart you just laid an egg, you are going to question yourself.
Not saying Pau isn’t going to come back, but the guy is at a crossroads in his career.
Pretty good stuff Dex
It was a sad day watching Fish fail like that. I still remember jumping off the coach when he “stepped into” that 3 at Orlando and when he dropped the 3 during game 7, you knew they where going to win. Time for him to embrace the 15 minute bench role.
Kobe going away from Bynum/Gasol happened during stretches where they missed on multiple trips. That is when Kobe looked elsewhere, especially when Dallas was pushing them out pretty good. I thought Kobe tried hard to get Bynum/Gasol to demonstrate they could handle the 1st option role. His leadership skills have really grown.
I was happy to see Odom want the ball at the end of game 3, but shocked he settled for the turn-around jumper. That has to be the weakest part of his O.
Somebody has to hit 3’s to space the floor and Ron’s spot, along with Fish, is where it had to come from on this team. Trevor looked good, yes….
Shannon always has me thinking he should have the ball more. The bigs need to go high-post more with him in the game.
Bad timing for Blake to get sick.
Barnes is an energy and defense guy, playing on a weakened knee proved to much.
Somebody started these playoff’s saying that it takes a little luck to win it all.
I agree and this year the Lakers had no luck at all.
good points
So you’re not one of those guys who cringe when Brown has the ball, eh? He did some good stuff.
But as for luck, I kinda feel that desire is the key to luck. The desire to win makes your own luck, and wills those clutch shots in.
Be Athletic.
Only disagreement is Fish
Statistically, Chris Paul played worse against Fisher than anyone else, and Jason Kidd had very few open shots, so I’d have to say he was really the only Laker who defensively did their job both series.
by Derek Fisher Fan on May 12, 2011 11:27 PM PDT reply actions
Great Post
This was a great post but i think Pau Gasoft needed and F and so did Fisher, Blake, and Phil Jackson…. Pau completely disappeared, no D and no O, Fish was not clutch and no D, blake made a few wiiiiiiiide open buckets and Phil did not adjust at all to what Dallas was doing… in other words you can trade anyone but Kobe and Gasoft… without him we would not have went to three str8 finals!!!! we need to give Pau another shot…

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