Andrew Bynum's Crime Was Recklessness, Not Classlessness
With 8 minutes and 21 seconds left in the game, and in his season, Andrew Bynum decided he had had enough. No more hedging on screens. No more helping the helper. No more watching as the Dallas Mavericks blew by the perimeter defender of their choice. He saw J.J. Barea, the child-man who was symbolic of everything that had gone wrong with the Lakers championship hopes, blow by his defender one more time. Drew stepped over and, instead of attempting a block (on the one play in which Barea tossed up a shot just begging for rejection, I might add), he delivered an elbow to Barea's chest, just under the right arm, and then immediately started walking towards the exit, not even waiting to be told he was ejected.
It was a disgusting act. You don't need Kobe Bryant to tell you that, but he did. You don't need Mitch Kupchak's approval to deem it so, but judging by the look on his face after it happened, he approves of your label. You don't need a Lakers fan to agree with you, but we do. There are few throughout Lakers Nation with the temerity to attempt any sort of justification for what Andrew did. The fanbase is as unanimous on this as one can reasonably expect when it comes to assailing the character of a beloved player. Mike Tirico called it, on the spot, as "the most bush-league thing I've ever seen", and while ever is a pretty big word, there can be no doubt that Bynum's offense will likely join the montage of unsavory moments that are remembered throughout history any time something of this nature occurs, along with Kermit Washington, Kevin McHale, and Ron Artest.
Disgusting. Bush-league. Classless. These are all the proper terms to describe what Andrew Bynum did. These are the terms that have Laker fans ashamed of him. But none of them are the proper terms to describe why what Andrew Bynum did is a serious problem.
The classless nature of Andrew Bynum's act is not what makes it extraordinary or unique. At the fundamental core of Drew's actions, his frustration at his team's lack of performance, and the growing deficit between the two teams, reached critical mass, and Drew decided to take out his frustrations on his enemy. While this is in no way acceptable, it is also hardly uncommon. It is the same emotional cocktail that caused Lamar Odom to do what he did just a few minutes earlier. It should also be pointed out that this exact set of circumstances is what caused Jason Terry to push Steve Blake into the courtside photographers in the last meeting of the regular season between Dallas and Los Angeles. The capability for overwhelming frustration goes both ways. It goes all ways. Any time there is a big lead, any time the score of a game is embarrassing for one of the two teams playing, the potential for this type of behavior exists.
That potential is a good thing. Please read these words carefully so as to not misconstrue my argument, but it is good that players get so angry and frustrated when getting embarrassed that the potential exists for an explosion. I'm glad that Andrew gets so frustrated at times that he can hardly contain it. It shows you that he cares. It's not good that he can't contain his emotion, and it's terrible that he has unleashed that emotion in this particular fashion, but the emotion itself is admirable. There are two things that separate most NBA players from the common man. The first is that, in some form or another, the NBA player has won the genetic lottery. The second is that the NBA player is insanely competitive. He hates to lose. You can be an NBA player without the second part, but you can't be a great one, or even a good one really. Without that insanely competitive drive, any NBA player is destined to under-achieve relative to their athletic ability and skill, because his opponents will always want to win more than he does. None of this is to say that boiled over frustrations should be condoned, or that their punishment should be metered. You do the crime, you do the time. That said, I feel safe in my belief that the league is better off in the 99.9% of the time in which this display of frustration does not exist because of the very passion that might lead to the needless, classless, aggressive acts that make up the 0.1%.
But Andrew Bynum is different, because his frustration is unleashed with a dose of recklessness that is completely and totally unacceptable. A big part of this is Andrew's size. Drew's act of frustration is different than Jason Terry's, because Jason Terry is a rock, and Andrew Bynum is a mountain. It might seem unfair to you that Bynum must regulate his actions to a greater degree than those who are smaller than him, but with great size comes great responsibility. There's a damn good reason why the U.S. government has entire military units and bases guarding nuclear missiles while their handguns sit in lightly secured warehouses. Capability to do damage matters, and Drew has shown the capability to do a great deal of damage.
Another important factor is that Drew continues to unleash his frustration on his opponent when they are at their most vulnerable, in the air. All three of these incidents involved heavy contact with an opponent that was airborne, and thus less capable of controlling their body once Bynum delivered his blow. Obviously, Bynum has a history here, with similar incidents involving Gerald Wallace (who ended up with a collapsed lung) in 2009, and Michael Beasley earlier this year. In all three, Andrew delivered his blow to the player while they were airborne, and all three hit the ground hard. Beasley and Barea seemed to escape without serious injury, but the degree of danger involved with these acts is off the charts.
That recklessness is getting worse, both in the sense that he continues to commit reckless acts despite their consequences (both for himself and for his target), and that the acts themselves are becoming increasingly pre-meditated. I've long felt that the Wallace incident was just a hard foul that went horribly wrong. The result was absolutely terrible, but the play itself looked like a late rotation with Bynum deciding to take the foul and make sure Wallace didn't turn the play into an And-1. He hit him hard, no doubt, but he did so with his arms. It was a relatively standard basketball play, except that the force he used to make the play ended up being far too excessive. The Beasley play was worse, because his action left the realm of basketball completely. I don't know that it was Drew's intent to hurt Beasley, but it was most certainly a cheap shot in every aspect of the word. Still, that play turned into what it was in flash. One second, Bynum was trying to rotate, playing good defense, the next, he was sticking his elbow out to clip Beasley in the side. It was an egregious and terrible decision, but it was a decision Drew made in the blink of an eye. In no way does this attempt to justify what happened, but the rashness of quick decisions is something that everyone deals with in life at one point or another. In the world of Minority Report, these are what you might call red ball crimes.
But the hit on Barea does not have a single mitigating circumstance that can temper our contempt in any way. Bynum watched Barea get past his defender, travelled two steps to meet Barea near the top of the key, and raised his elbow immediately to make the play that he did. Barea wasn't past him, he wasn't preventing a lay up. In fact, as I've previously mentioned, Bynum actually had a very good chance of blocking the shot had he just made the normal basketball play that the situation dictates. From beginning to end, Bynum probably had 2-3 seconds to consider exactly what he was doing. In decision making, especially as it pertains to sport, that is a lifetime. It was as pre-meditated as the sport of basketball allows.
Because of this play, because of his history, Andrew Bynum will surely carry the reputation of being a dirty player, of being classless. It's difficult to disagree with the label. But the presence of class is not binary. It is not black and white. One classless act is not enough to convict a man indefinitely. Three classless acts isn't enough either, necessarily. The presence of class is a qualitative equation in which one adds all the good and bad deeds and qualities that define a person. You consider all the information and spit out a final "number". Drew has many positive qualities that we can add into that equation. He is honest, more so than many athletes, even when that honesty causes him trouble. He is hard working. He sacrifices for his teammates, both in the sense that he is willing to forego a greater portion of the offensive pie that his ability might deserve, and because he has repeatedly shown a willingness to risk his personal well-being for the sake of team success, even if his contribution to the team is marginal. He is not a practitioner of dirty play in general, doesn't throw elbows on rebounds, doesn't flop. He plays the game the right way, except for these not so isolated instances in which he makes horrible decisions. Were it not for this one terrible character flaw, I would absolutely want to have Andrew Bynum on my team, and very little of my reasoning would have to do with his tremendous gifts as a player. But the flaw overwhelms it all. As of right now, should he keep up his current pace of both good and bad, the reputation of dirtiness will be well deserved.
For that reason, I hope the league drops the hammer on Drew. Five games, 10 games, 15 games, in the end the actual time missed doesn't matter, but the message should be clear. And then, no matter what the league doles out, I think the Lakers should add five games themselves, because the message should be unanimous: Continue doing what you are doing, and you won't be welcome here. If Andrew Bynum can correct this one negative aspect of his persona, he will become an extremely valuable asset to the league and to his team, but, without reform, the bad apple among the bunch of Drew's good qualities will ruin everything. He will do damage to the league, to his team, and, God forbid, to whichever poor schmo happens to be the target of Bynum's ill will.
By now, Bynum has apologized for the event in his exit interview. He has said that it was terrible, and it will never happen again. If he keeps his word, I will root for Andrew Bynum for the rest of his career, whether with the Lakers or otherwise. He has a long way to go before the equation of his class gets back in the black, but redemption is most certainly possible. He need only look across the locker room to Ron Artest for an example. But if he refuses to learn this lesson, and continues to be willing to do serious damage to his fellow professional just because he happens to be having a bad night, then I won't want him on my team, and I won't want him in my league.
Fix this, Drew, and you are golden. Refuse, and you are a plague. The choice is yours.
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He Learned from magic himself
@ around the 35second mark.
by Bizdady on May 10, 2011 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Irrelevant.
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To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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It is relevant because Magic did the exact same thing that Bynum did in which he calls an embarrassment to the organization
Doesn’t that make Magic’s actions wrong back then, too?
Keep reading the thread, please.
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To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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For the record
if Bynum had gone after Gasol, I would have called him a GD hero for it. Because Gasol and LO and his teammates were the ones causing his wrath
LO, lo, lo
He played like he did against Boston in 08. In fact, the whole team did. I’m thinking that maybe this type of play is just part of what this Lakers squad is about, their championship run bookended by humiliating, effortless defeats where their lack of will to win was exposed.
Defense wins championships.
Rec c.a
Bynum should of taken Gasol down first lol
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
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by BrittneyM on May 10, 2011 6:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, but I think you're way off the mark.
It’s by far not the exact same thing.
-Different context. If you actually saw the rest of the game outside of just that highlight , you’ll see that it was a game during which both teams fouled hard, in an era much rougher than today, with that notoriously rough Pistons team doing most of the cheap shots up until that point. Ask MJ or Bird what it was like playing against those Pistons. AND it was a meaningful game in a meaningful series, where the outcome of the series could still be decided, unlike Bynum’s down-3-0-in-the-series-and-down-a-shitload-on-the-scoreboard-with-a-few-minutes-left-to-play-in-the-4th-quarter cheap shot.
-Greater difference in the strength and weight of the players involved, thus greater potential damage. Self explanatory.
-Different intentions. Those Lakers you saw in Youtube have been hacked numerous times driving to the basket in that series. In that foul play Magic was trying to send a message to the whole Pistons team that his team won’t take that kind of crap anymore. He was trying to make a statement, and the next guy who drove through the lane just happened to be Isiah Thomas. Off court, Magic and Isaiah are really close friends, both being from Michigan, and in many LA-DET season games those days they actually picked each other up when one of them went down on the court, which is unheard of these days between NBA players.
Bynum’s foul on the other hand, he was just mad and frustrated and wanted to hurt somebody.
by Number Nine on May 11, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I love how people are referring to this play on twitter
as if this is the course of action Magic would condone today.
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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Hey, they forget that slavery was once accepted too.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Wait, you didn't know that?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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No, goes to relevance.
What was once acceptable is no longer.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
It doesnt matter if it's condoned today.
The fact is he did it. It’s almost the pot calling the kettle black. He can disapprove and say it was wrong but he still participated in a dirty play too. Hell, on more than 1 occasion. In all honesty, They should have hard fouled the hell out of Barea when he was running wild earlier in the series. Yes, I would have preferred Drew hit him while going for the ball but in all honesty the result would have probably been much worse. It happened. It’s over and i hope in a similar situation Drew makes a play for the ball and Hard fouls a guard that keeps driving and killing us.
If ya team aint the Lakers then your team SUCKS!
LOL, this isn't over until the punishment is meted out and time is served.
And it will be talked out for quite some time.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
how is it calling the kettle black?
That clip is from 23 years ago. Things have changed. People learn from their mistakes. Magic certainly doesnt feel the same way about that foul these days. so because of that one instance, he’s banned forever from talking about a similar play with another player and calling it wrong?
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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hmm
He can disapprove and say it was wrong but he still participated in a dirty play too.
Like i said above. He can disapprove and say it was wrong but he still did the same shyt. The NBA has changed since then. It’s definitely softer but i grew up watching people get knocked down going in the paint on a regular so plays like that dont particularly move me the way it does some people. He should have gone for the ball and still knocked his ass down. The end result imo would have been worse. 5’2 160lbs vs 7’0 280lbs is going to end up bad for the lil guy. i wonder what the reaction would have been had he gone for the ball and still clubber Langed him
If ya team aint the Lakers then your team SUCKS!
and
because he did dirty plays 23 years ago and acknowledged them as wrong, that makes him a hypocrite?
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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Who said he was a hypocrite?
Let’s be real. We live in a world of Political Correctness so Magic may have been voicing his true feelings or he may have just been saying what he was supposed to say. So the fact that he has been in dirty plays not jus 1 is something to look at. I grew up watchin those teams and i can say for a fact if it wasnt Magic there was a player on that team who would have knocked Barea down alot harder than drew did.
If ya team aint the Lakers then your team SUCKS!
you practically did
It’s almost the pot calling the kettle black
Jason Terry just hit another 3.
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Alright, it's all about perception.
So, I think we can move on from this.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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"Almost" kinda kills that assumption
Thus the reason i put it in there. Nothing definitive about that statement. Magic is my Fav player ALL TIME so he gets special treatment in my wording of things.
If ya team aint the Lakers then your team SUCKS!
LOL, Barea is 5'10", not 5'2".
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Ron said Barea was 5'2" like 10 times in his interview lol
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LOL, I know. He said it last week too.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Chris.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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It was Classless...
The Lakers can’t count on him…especially in the playoffs. Little heart and injury prone. He is averaging 8 ppg and 5 rpg in the playoffs. He misses 33% of the regular season with injuries. Far better off with Howard.
Only championship parades apparently.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
by Joshua S on May 10, 2011 2:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The lakers and the loss!
Sorry, but I was so happy to see you guys lose! You have had back to back championships. You have so much talent, skill,game, but also so much arrogance and pampness too. I think now that Phil is gone you guys will be grounded back to earth. Sorry buy the cheap shots by Lamar and Bynum were in such poor sportsmanship. Dallas deserved to win with great perimeter shooting and passing. We even won the Mavs twice and could have possibly won two more. Brandon Roy, really put the fear of God in them. They totally changed after the 23 point let up at the rose garden. ITs just like you when you had the 16 point lead and let it go; and when Kobe missed the last shot in game 2. I wonder if kobe will be in L.A. next year, or will he pull a Lebron? Anyhow, we will see you next year! Hopefully we will have our center back ready for action. Last thought don’t trade Gasol, he really is a great player, unless you want to trade for Oden. ha ha!!
by Blazerfan07 on May 10, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Explain to me, please, WTF is "pampness"?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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That would imply "dampness".
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
LOL kobe aint going no where
not with that contract
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." -Vin Scully
He ain't going nowhere, period.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
I sure HOPE he stays in LA
Because they were pretty easy to roll! Let’s face it, Kobe WAS great. So was Michael Jordan, but every player hits the wall eventually. You can have him.
by Jim Bradshaw on May 10, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Gee thanks!
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Look "friend"
We at SSR pride ourselves on how well we treat our guests. That doesn’t mean we are doormats for every hater with a rant. In case you might not have guessed…IT IS WAY TOO SOON FOR YOU TO BE TROLLING OUR HOME BOARDS…home boy. Now pack up your shit and come back in, let’s say, a month. We will then be ready to respond in a manner that upholds our core values. In the mean time, I am sure you will have plenty of company on Yahoo and similar boards. You are, as always, welcome here, but not at the expense of those who call SSR home. This my personal opinion, and not necessarily that of those who manage this blog.
Management: banhammer me if you must, but I could not let this pass…even at the risk of my own membership.
no more witty signatures for a while...we're in mourning y'all
by bigdeal1188 on May 10, 2011 1:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
My only criticism would be for you to save your anger for a more relevant troll
this one made me laugh at its disjointedness
In fact, it's so good, I'm gonna rec it.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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thanks
for the Recs…and I think I was exceedingly well controlled, considering…
thank God for SSR and the hoard of fans here…it’s going to make the recovery period soooo much easier…I didn’t have you guys after the 2008 meltdown…that was a very dark period
now, back to kicking ass on WfW
no more witty signatures for a while...we're in mourning y'all
Won the mavs twice?
what the fuck is this?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on May 10, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Shhh, just let it marmalade, er, marinate.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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but its bottling my mind.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on May 10, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL...Genius!
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Thanks to the Blazers...
for being bigger losers than the Lakers. Its funny that a gimpy Bynum is the pinnacle of what Oden hoped to be. Good luck with that.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
by Joshua S on May 10, 2011 2:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Rec him!
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64
That did show recklessness and classlessness on on my part. Cooler heads prevail.
To quote the immortal cat: “I has a sorry.”
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
you just said what we're all thinking
it’s just we have better self control….however marginal
no more witty signatures for a while...we're in mourning y'all
We're gonna get a lot of drive-bys with this post. Wear your flak jackets.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
Tweetness: @SoCalGal64

"Phil Jackson seems to enjoy his status as 'NBA grand philosopher' and uses that platform to lob verbal hand grenades into other franchises or the league offices for fun." - Kurt Helin
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by bluexfalcon on May 10, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL nice
"I might be sick in the head or crazy or thrown off or something like that, but I still think we are going to win this series," Bryant said. "I might be nuts. Win on Sunday. Go back home and see if they can win in L.A."
*Kobe Bryant is sick in the head, crazy AND thrown off. Don't forget nuts.*
LOL, exactly.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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Nah, no drive-by's here.
This was an awesome post.
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aye, rec'd
"Phil Jackson seems to enjoy his status as 'NBA grand philosopher' and uses that platform to lob verbal hand grenades into other franchises or the league offices for fun." - Kurt Helin
"Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks." - DexterFishmore
Stalk, err, Follow me on Twitter: @bluefalcon916
he is the brother of falconPUNCH!
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Hey Mitch
can we have our Dwight now?
"In basketball -- as in life -- true joy comes from being fully present in each and every moment, not just when things are going your way." -Phil Jackson
It was retaliation...
Did anyone see how Barrea threw an elbow into Blake going around a screen before he drove to the basket? I think Andrew saw that the refs didn’t call a foul for Barrea’s elbow on Blake and retaliated.
Still not the right thing to do, but understandable and not a totally malicious act. Not condoning Bynum’s actions, but the refs need to call obvious fouls or this type of retaliatory stuff happens.
it was totally a malicious act.
by the very definition of malicious.
retaliation or not.
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This is a great post. Nothing that I disagree with.
Keep it up my man.
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Foul
I wonder in the two players for the Lakers got tired of the playoff refereing. It seems that fouling the big guys is how you stop the Lakers. If you don’t get fouls called then what is the result?
Drew's motivations are irrelevant
that’s the point of the whole post. It doesn’t matter why he did what he did. The why is the exact same as why Lamar did what he did, but nobody gives a shit about LO because he didn’t endanger anybody
My concern: how much of that Barea shot was aimed at the Lakers?
Great analysis, C.A.
I fear his recklessness, as you call it, cuts both ways. When he walked away after assaulting Barea, it seemed like a “fuck you” to certain players for giving up. He seemed to be sick of his own team. Trying to read a player’s emotions is tricky, but I saw potential chemistry issues that concern me about his long term chances with this team.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
he said it himself that there were issues on the team
someone’s gotta go
Defense wins championships.
It's be funny if he called out Kobe to be traded.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
The more I think about it
The more this whole thing seems like an enormous overreaction. Is he a bad guy? No. They were getting embarrassed, he was tried/late, he made a bad decision. Lets treat this like it was the end of the world and Drew just committed murder. There’s better things to feel outrage about than a meaningless cheap shot/ hard foul. Obviously stupid, but yeah no one here or anywhere else has ever done anything stupid.
Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian
by Uncle Leo on May 10, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I've never done anything that stupid.
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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by SoCalGal on May 10, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've also never been
7 feet tall, full of rage and testosterone and have nothing to lose… I’m not saying he did the right thing… But I feel for the guy… He is human after all, maybe not a nice one with excellent coping skills but he is human nonetheless.
"Full of rage and testosterone" is the excuse men have been giving for violence for a century.
Don’t give me that bullshit. And what do you mean “nothing to lose”? That’s a good enough reason to do what he did?
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Yes, I’m an arrogant Lakers fan. So fucking what?
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SoCal chill
All I’m saying is that it is easy for us to say these things about him but we were there in his shoes in that moment and we can’t possibly imagine what he was feeling. He’s an immature kid in a 7 foot tall man’s body. I’m saying try to feel for him. I feel for Barea too, don’t get me wrong… he got it bad. But we have no idea how frustrated/angry/humiliated/you name it, Bynum felt at that moment.
still not excusable.
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Did I say excuse him?
No. I said try to feel for the guy. Or not, don’t really care. But I feel for him. He needs some professional help.
If this were the end of the world, or he had committed murder, the reaction would be much crazier
He’d be suspended a full season at least
IKR?!
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What I have issue is not just this single act.
But the fact that he’s done that a few times already. That can be an indication of his character.
Just one thing to say the the title of this:
It was both.
[enter some witty remark here]
by fanoftheunderdogs on May 10, 2011 2:22 PM PDT reply actions
Thank you for your contribution.
But next time, you should actually read the piece before commenting on it.
why would you create a title that misrepresents what the article is about?
Defense wins championships.
The title is actually perfectly representative of the piece
because Bynum’s act was classless, but the classlessness is irrelevant and happens all the time. What made Bynum’s act criminal (in basketball terms) is the recklessness with which he acted.
But people read the title, and see “crime not classless” and their conclusion is made. Just because people don’t understand the weight with which I choose my words, is that my fault?
Or if your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff.
Considering there was more than the title on the front page, reading just the title is ridiculous.
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just something to think about
It is entirely possible that the title and the piece don’t match, which you can only know if you read the piece.
The title is there to get your attention and give you an idea about what the piece is about. If they don’t match, it is understandable that one might feel a bit mislead and/or question the relationship between title and article.
A person can deduce what was meant by the title after reading the article but I can see how it caused a bit of confusion.
Defense wins championships.
That's why there is a paragraph on the front page to go along with the title.
The rest of the article is after the jump.
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I don't think that's really fair though.
If an idea requires expanding into an article, wether for justification or clarity, that idea probably cannot be completely relayed in a single sentence.
I can see how it caused confusion, but the title of the article fits the article’s point, at least from my understanding. It’s not a writer’s fault if people don’t read their article after reading the headline, nor is it his fault that language isn’t so perfect a vehicle that entire thoughts can’t be specified through a title.
{big hug}
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So, 6 drive-bys so far. How many more can we expect today?
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Plenty once the Celtics lose. Their fans will get tired of blaming the refs and come over and have a go at us.
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by Joshua S on May 10, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No more than 16.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
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Trolls and that leave some well thought out manure and then don'y stay to back it up.
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The one thing that really peeves me about this whole incident
Is that Bynum, 7 feet tall and close to 300 lbs, just had to take his frustration out of the littlest guy on the floor. THAT to me is so, so, so not cool. But he formally apologized for his action. We don’t know the extend of his sincerity but he said it and we have to take his word for it. Can we move on? It’s just one more embarrassing moment in a very forgettable week of basketball. RIP Lakers 3peat 2009-2011… We didn’t even get to know you.
We have plenty of time to "move on". It's not like there are more pressing Lakers issues right now.
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Le sigh....
I was just watching some stuff on YouTube from the 09 playoffs… You know, the ones that extended past the FIRST FUCKING WEEK OF MAY!!!!
He apologized and then said "I don't want to be suspended."
If he’s sorry, he might have said that he deserves some sort of punishment.
Defense wins championships.
There's a difference between Bynum "wanting" to be suspended
And thinking he deserves it.
Kelly Dwyer is without a doubt one of the worst sportswriters in the world. The only reason I say he's "one of the" and not "THE worst" is because I haven't read enough of the Russians' coverage of the NBA to make a fair assessment.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on May 11, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
right, there is, isn't there
but he answered the question about deserving to be suspended by saying that he doesn’t want to be suspended.
his answer sounded hollow to me. i would have preferred him to say that he will accept the punishment the league hands down.
Defense wins championships.
+10000000
me and Leigh on the exact same page.
I would like to join you'll on this page.
Kelly Dwyer is without a doubt one of the worst sportswriters in the world. The only reason I say he's "one of the" and not "THE worst" is because I haven't read enough of the Russians' coverage of the NBA to make a fair assessment.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on May 11, 2011 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
The only problem I have with this article is...
that picture on top of bynum with his shirt off. lol! i’m tired of looking at those man boobs and this is about the 3rd time it’s been posted.
He got his name when his parents were in a restaurant. His father was very pleased with a steak he ordered and at the time his mother was pregnant. So his dad asked the waiter what's the name of the steak that he ordered and the waiter, obviously told him. It's called, Kobe.
I don't think any NBA player has man boobs.
Maybe Glen Davis.
Probably Marc Gasol as well.
Dude is chubs.
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 10, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
thats nothing
but I really wish he could have kept his shirt on. It just added to the embarrassment.
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i agree shapfor3
i wish someone would of asked him why he did it.
He got his name when his parents were in a restaurant. His father was very pleased with a steak he ordered and at the time his mother was pregnant. So his dad asked the waiter what's the name of the steak that he ordered and the waiter, obviously told him. It's called, Kobe.
by lakerdynasty on May 10, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly you've never Shaq without a shirt. Bynum is nothing close to that.
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lol, retry your comment
i’ll delete this
no one will know
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lol ok
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Seeing as how this is Bynum's third forearm to the body type of foul
He should really be required to take some anger management classes. I’m not joking. He really should be helped by professional sports psychologists before he does this again. If he doesn’t see that there are real consequences besides missing a few games and paychecks he might not change.
I'm guessing that he's a problem in the locker room as well
and possibly the cause of the Lakers disfunction
Defense wins championships.
Not sure where you're getting that information.
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educated guess?
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well most hunches are actually based on memories or experience
this is true
Defense wins championships.
You know, you might be right
I mean, I still like Bynum… but there might be some truth to this?
Wow have times changed
What Bynum did was weak and egregious, but happened, oh about 20 times a year in the 70-90’s. The Celtics and Pistons teams were good for 3-4 a year themselves. Karl Malone threw more elbows and knees than any player ever and wasn’t killed this bad.
It was a frustration play by a dumb kid. Suspend him for a few games and let it go. I only wish he had done that to Gasol, Blake or Odom to wake them up instead.
by fins on May 10, 2011 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ya things have changed.
But you have to abide by the ways things have changed and Bynum didn’t. He might have felt at home back in those rough and tumble days but like you said, things have changed.
just because it was acceptable 20 or 30 years ago doesnt make it right
see slavery and the other things society tolerated years ago.
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ROFL
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I've seen this justification several times.
I was a kid in the 80s and early 90s. You didn’t see 7-0, 300 lb guys putting a flying forearm shiver into the ribs of an airborne 5-10, 170 lb guy. Hard fouls? Sure. But that was NOT a “hard foul.” It was an attempt to do bodily harm, and nothing more.
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 10, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, it did happen. : )
Not justifying it, but it did happen.
When?
When did a guy the size of, say, David Robinson ever put a forearm shiver into an airborne sub-6-footer, who weighed 100 or so pounds less than him?
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 10, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It did not happen
Hard fouls, yes. This is different. And Bynum has made this move his own
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on May 11, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Link?
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 11, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Suspension and fine
NBA just announced Bynum will be suspended five games and fined $25K to start next season.
Loss of game checks + NBA fine = $950K
exactly, and less severe than i thought it could have been.
but i think we’re all in agreement if this bad habit continues, he’s going to see 10+ game suspensions
basketball doesn't build character, it reveals it
it should have been a 10+ suspension on this occasion
bring down the hammer hard, and maybe he’ll stop.
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hmm
I agree that Bynum’s foul was bad and has not place in the game. But you equated it with what Kermit Washington did. Bynum’s foul isn’t even close. It was bad, Drew apologized, and I believed him, and Barea is ok.
Let’s move on now.
by Ian Curtis on May 10, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, thanks, but it's not time to move on yet. We're getting there.
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also
I didn’t think Odom’s foul warranted an ejection, and I didn’t think Artest’s foul in Game 2 warranted a 1-game suspension.
Drew’s foul calls for him to change the behavior, and miss a game or two, but not five. I guess the league has changed, though.
I do not think it was as bad as KW
but I do think the egregious nature of the play, combined with the stage on which it was committed, and the storylines that are included in its backdrop, will make this one of the more famous black marks on the league, which is why it is included on the list.
Not all moments in the montage carry equal weight.
This will linger until the 6th game of next season. (whenever that may be)
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by Joshua S on May 10, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually think a 5 game sentence is light
considering he is a repeat offender, it was a blowout and he plowed the smallest guy on the court.
Circumstantial. Punishment is based on the foul itself, not the circumstances surrounding it.
The fact that it was the smallest guy on the court, the fact that it was a blowout makes the foul even more lame, I agree. But NBA punishments, fines, and suspensions are based on the play only, not any external circumstances. They would and should level the same fine if he pulled the same kind of move on Dwight Howard in a tie game.
Hence, I think 5-games is too much.
I would agree with you
BUT, they fined him and suspended him 2 games earlier this season and he did not get the message. I don’t like these fines and suspensions, but thems the rules. Somebody needs to counsel this kid. He has a violent temperament and he needs some professional help.
there's a difference between what Fish did to Scola and what Bynum did to Barrea
and that is their sizes
and the time at which each act took place
Defense wins championships.
Hmm.
OK, I do agree that, because it’s a repeat offense, it warrants a longer suspension than the first. So in that sense, maybe he does need more than a 2 game suspension. Good point.
But I don’t think he has a “violent temperament” or that he needs professional help. Two seasons ago, hell, even last season, I wanted Drew to get angrier, I wanted him to play with more emotion. He has gone overboard now, though I think he’ll strike a balance.
As fans, we hold the Lakers to a very critical yardstick, as we should. But the Celtics make dirty plays like this for breakfast. I hope Drew can keep the scrappiness next season, but make better decisions with regard to flagrant fouls.
C'mon man....
Three bone crushing flagrant fouls against much smaller guys than him… That’s not right and he needs to address that. I’m all for hard playoff fouls but these are vicious hits on smaller guys.
I don't think they were bonecrushing.
I’m glad the league has its flagrant foul rule to protect the safety of the players.
And you’re going to throw Beasely into the “much smaller” category? Drew is bigger than 98% of the league.
I guess he just needs to know and control his own strength.
Dude...
He collapsed Gerald Wallace’s lung… Ok, a lung isn’t exactly a bone, but you get the idea. Wallace ain’t even that small and he got it bad. I have no idea how Barea did not break something in that collision. Bynum could do that to Dwight Howard or Kendrick Perkins or Big Z or Tyson Chandler or any other CENTER in the league, but so far he has only hit SFs and smaller. Not cool.
If he did that to D. Howard, he would have experienced MUCH pain afterward.
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 10, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
He knows he won’t get f’ed up right then and there with a hard retaliation punch. It’s messed up and cowardly to hit some one a lot smaller than you because you know you’re not going to get hit back.
Man, this is really something that matters to you
You’ve been discussing it nonstop in every single SSR thread
Eh
I’m over it. LOL Nah but it did suck to see that level of immaturity and stupidity from a guy who we all thought had turned the corner in his career. It isn’t a total catastrophe, this will die down, but it’s still sad that it happened.
Oddly, I've only discussed it in comments sections that were--gasp!--discussing it.
Shocking, I know.
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 11, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The Cs do not make plays like this
They play tough, and some of what they do could be considered dirty, but huge difference between this and even what Rondo did to Brad Miller back in 09
Shitty and dirty
but unless KG collapsed the dude’s scrotum, the risk for long term injury makes it not the same thing
I guess I just don't agree with you on the severity of the Bynum foul.
It was bad. He should be suspended. He should change his behavior next season.
But I see worse fouls than this in the NBA every year that get 2-game suspensions. I appreciate your insights, though.
Please post some YouTube clips of "worse fouls than this in the NBA every year that get 2-game suspensions."
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 10, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
They have years of experience and can pull it off like ninjas. Maybe not stuff this blatant, but enough to disrupt things.
I suppose some may say, no whistle no offense. Jason Kidd pulled this off beautifully against Kobe, several times.
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I LOVED what Fish did to Scola
that is the type of foul that sends a message to your team and opponent. Bynums foul was not that.
Bynum foul was just dumb and unnecessary
5 games is just about right
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by BrittneyM on May 10, 2011 6:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That foul was completely uncalled for and a classless move on his part
I just hope he conducts himself better next time. I know he is frustrated on how the team and series was going, however that is no excuse for what he did. Then to make the comments after the game….really? I am glad he came out and apologized for it, yet that doesn’t change things one bit.
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Iam sorry but i am glad Drew step up finally and told that little dude he wasn’t just waltzing into the paint any more, hell back in the day they played hard and fouled hard, especially in the playoffs, now a days like in all things you have to be politicaly correct and thats crap.Like when Kobe called the ref a name, so what it’s a name not a blade in the back wetalk about Gasol being soft, We as a nation are turning soft
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Yet nobodies perfect.....
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 10, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
you're right - I've always wished Raja Bell finished the job on Kobe
maybe someone will do this to you, too, in a pickup game.
You don’t remember “back in the day” – people fouled hard but cheap shots like this were exceptional.
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on May 11, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What he did was classless, reckless (out of frustration), ect., ect....
but aside from that and the foul that he was suspended for where he led with his forearm and was suspended for it, I don’t remember him being singled out/suspended for hitting anyone like either one of those examples. He explained the forearm shot he was suspended for was to set a tone for no easy buckets (I hope after being suspended and criticized severely that he understands that this is not the 80’s culture anymore and you can and need to give hard fouls without leading with forearms which it seemed he had learned his lesson since).
I think he and D12 are the best big men—the only thing was Bynum’s health but he is young and stayed relatively healthy this year and had a great year; he has a nice turnaround shot (and should get more touches next year, the D and rebounding are there; I think this year he was as important as Kobe was for the Lakers) in the paint and plays hard and very physical; I don’t think he has done enough to be considered a dirty player, but as he has been told I’m sure, he needs to understand that these acts add up as far as rep goes and missing five games really hurts his team and the suspensions will get longer if he continues with these kinds of plays.
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Trying to see this foul in historical perspective...
is it second only to the Kermit Washington knockout of Rudy T as far as horrible Laker fouls go? Or was there another that I’m unaware of?
And while we’re at it, how does this one rank compared to the McHale-Rambis clothes-line?
Or the Radja-Kobe clothesline?
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Classless all around
It was classless, ron artest is classless, kobe is classless, the lakers are classless.
The Lakers used to have class, Wilt and West, Kareen and Wilkes.
Any defense of bynum is also classless imo. Hard fouls are part of the game, in a 36 point blowout that ends your season it is also pathetic.
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Please
The only manchild is Bynum. Dude acts like he is still in high school.
Major failure in Kobe’s leadership is Bynum’s wayward attitude. If anyone should be able to take someone who joined the NBA at 18 under their wing, it should be Kobe. Seems like he never stepped up to the responsibility regardless of how much he likes him.
Kobe is absolutely responsible for Bynum's development and his actions.
In fact, he is also responsible for the war in Afghanistan, the BP oil spill and Hurricane Katrina. Dude’s got a lot to answer for.
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Don't forget
If kobes leadership was better, the economy would be better, and gas prices wouldn’t be so high. If only he’d set a better example.
by Aethereal on May 11, 2011 11:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Goddamit, Kobe!
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I Don't Think that You Understand what Leadership Means
But that’s OK, I have a lot higher expectations for Kobe though.
I'm pretty sure it's not SoCalGal who has the leadership comprehension problem.
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 11, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
more Kobe blame
Global warming, past ice ages, meteor strikes, several inqusitions, most of the crusades, and reality TV.
( actually sounds like his career)
Transformers 1 and 2, Soap Scum, Gingivitis, Lung Disease, JaMarcus Russell, MTVJams, Baron Davis' stomach, Power outages, Tsunamis, Erectile Dysfunction
What do these things all have in common?
Kobe’s bad habits are responsible for all of them.
Yeah, I'm not even a Lakers fan,
and even I wouldn’t go that far…
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by K. Scott Bailey on May 11, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely his fault.
That, and Eat, Pray, Love
Amazing book, but I couldn't bring myself to pay to watch the movie.
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If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
You haven't been banned.
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No, he was.
I took a look at his comments and have no desire to have him as a member of the SSR community
Yeah, I warned him first, but you're right, he should be gone.
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