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All-Time Playoff Records in Striking Distance of the Black Mamba

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The playoffs are here and the Black Mamba is on the attack. He's scored 30 or more points in two of the three games so far, bringing his career 30-point playoff game total to 80, second only to Michael Jordan's 109. Kobe Bryant has played in 201 playoff games in his career so he has exceeded the 30-point mark in roughly two out of every fivegames. In order to pass Jordan at that pace, he would need to play another 75 playoff games. To put that in context, the Lakers played 67 games over the last three playoffs. Kobe and the Lakers would need quite a run the next few years to make that milestone obtainable. While the odds may be against Kobe for that record, there are other playoff records well within striking distance.

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All-Time Playoff Points LeadersAll_time_playoff_scoring_medium

Kobe currently sits in the 4th spot and will likely move past former teammate Shaquille O'Neal into 3rd sometime during the next round of the playoffs. Perhaps more interesting though is that Kobe has averaged 666 points in each of the last three playoff runs, and if the Lakers play their way into a 4th consecutive NBA Finals appearance he should finish right next to Kareem Abdjul-Jabbar and possibly pass him for number two all-time. If the Lakers can avoid being the victims of an early upset this year and next, Kobe will certainly pass the great Michael Jordan for the #1 spot all time. 

It's a spot that Kobe would likely retain for a long time. A few more deep runs in the playoffs and Kobe could finish with almost 7,000 career playoff points, well ahead of anyone else on the list. As for other players catching him, the two closest active players are Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki, neither of whom is all that close. In fact, no other active player is even halfway to Kobe's total.

While a scoring record for Kobe is not a surprise, there are other playoff records that may be.

 All-Time Made Field Goals, Threes, and Free Throws Leaders

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Given Kobe's position on the all-time playoff points list, it shouldn't be a surprise to see him near the top of the list for field goals or free throws. What may come as a surprise to many is his position on the list of three-point field goals made. Kobe currently sits tied in the #2 spot with the all-time regular season leader, Ray Allen. They both trail the previous all-time regular season leader, Reggie Miller. When people think of the NBA's best shooters Kobe Bryant rarely makes the list. as he doesn't exhibit the same sniper-like efficiency of players like Allen or Miller. He does, however, have the ability to get into the zone and catch fire NBA Jam-style and absolutely burn the nets from deep. For instance: Kobe holds a share of the NBA record for threes in a game with 12, something that Allen or Miller do not have.

Kobe will likely finish either #1 or #2 all-time on this list when he retires. He's almost certianly going to pass Miller as he needs only two more deep playoff runs to do so. The biggest challenger he has is Ray Allen, who hits more threes per game than Kobe. Will Ray play enough games in the remainder of his career  to hold off Kobe? Only time will tell.

As for field goals and free throws, Kobe is currently #4 in both but will likely finish at the top of the list when he finally hangs it up. He needs two deep playoff runs plus a round or two to finish atop the field-goal list, certainly within reach given the Lakers roster. He will move into the #1 position for free throws sometime in next year's playoffs.  The list of current active players also offers no immediate threats to Kobe's standing on these all-time lists.

Steals

All_time_playoff_steals_mediumHere's a list that many probably didn't realize Kobe was on. Kobe has long been a superb defender, as evident from his 10 All-Defensive team selections. The only knock on Kobe defensively has been his periods of relaxed play on that end. In the playoffs, though, the moments of relaxed defensive focus are few and far between. As a result he's amassed a large number of steals and thus sits 8th on the all-time list. The list is pretty condensed, so Kobe will likely move past Julius Erving, Maurice Cheeks and Larry Bird in the second or third round this season. After that there's quite a gap between each of the remaining names. A deep run to the finals this year would put Kobe around 310 steals. He would still be 85 short of defensive ace Scottie Pippen for first all-time. The Lakers would need at least two more trips to finals after this season for Kobe to catch him.

The only two active players even remotely close to Kobe are Jason Kidd and fellow teammate and Lakers bulldog Derek Fisher. Neither is any threat to pass Kobe. While reaching #1 may be a long shot, Kobe is almost certain to finish at worst fourth in this category, right next to fellow Lakers legend Magic Johnson.

 

 

Assists

All_time_playoff_assists_mediumThis has to be the most shocking list to see Kobe's name on given the media's incessant claims of his ball-hogging nature. Sure he currently resides at only the #11 position, but this list is also rather condensed. Kobe has averaged 123 assists over each of the last three playoff runs. Another trip to the finals would probably yield another 110 assists this postseason and bring his total to around 1,074, which would launch him from #11 all-time all the way up to #4. The only players still ahead of him would be the trinity of arguably the top 3 point guards in history: Magic Johnson, John Stockton and Jason Kidd.

Kobe has no chance at catching either of the first two Hall of Famers, but Kidd could be passed depending on how long he plays and how far Dallas makes it in the playoffs. If the Lakers continue to make a deep run or two over the next few seasons and Dallas continues to play only one or two rounds, there should be enough games in Kobe's favor to move him past Kidd.

Once again there are no other active players currently threatening to catch and pass Kobe. Only two have more than 600 assists, Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker. Billups is an older point guard that will probably retire before Kobe and is not on the type of team to make a deep playoff run. Parker on the other hand is younger and on a solid team, but the gap between him and Kobe is very large and will likely result in Parker falling short.

 

 

Summary

It's not surprising to see Kobe charging to the top of the playoff scoring list. Finishing near the top in threes, steals, and assists is more unexpected. Assuming that Kobe and the Lakers were to make the finals this year, the conference finals next year, the second round in 2013, and just the first round in 2014 (the last year of Kobe's current contract), Kobe would likely finish #1 in points (including #1 in the trifecta of field goals, threes, and free throws made), #3 in assists, and #3 in steals.

It's a testament to Kobe's all-around ability as both a scorer and facilitator along with his defensive greatness to finish with such lofty totals. Obviously the all-time playoff stats are greatly influenced by the number of playoff games played and Kobe has been the beneficiaryof playing for teams that have made it to 7 NBA finals and counting. However, he has been the engine (or at least engine 1A) for all of those teams and has driven them to success. Perhaps that speaks to Kobe's greatest strength of all - winning - and why he will likely find himself at the top of one more list when he retires: Most All-Time Playoff Wins.

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Wow, I love that close-up shot of Kobe. You can even see how light his eyes are.

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by SoCalGal on Apr 23, 2011 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

yup

fits perfectly according to the article. he’s zeroed in on those PR’s

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by jXn on Apr 23, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Laser sharp in every way.

We’re sooooo lucky to have him!

by Lkrs4eb on Apr 23, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was totally just going to comment on that.

That picture is amazing and is absolutely perfectly appropriate for the accompanying piece. I love it. Oh, and I really like the charts, too. I like the purdy colors.

by BigSkyCat on Apr 23, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Excellent editing!

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by Koshu on Apr 24, 2011 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, it's what I do.

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by SoCalGal on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome write up AS

I really do hope that Kobe and crew have what it takes to make several more deep playoff pushes and get him a few more rings. I believe he will move past Jordan on all time playoff pts and though he may not catch him for 30 pt games, he’ll come pretty close. Though the main factor affecting that is that he no longer is required to hoist up 30 pts on a routine even in the playoffs due to a healthy trio of Pau LO and especially Bynum.

Btw I love that pic, epic.

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Apr 23, 2011 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

It has been such a privilege to watch him grow up and evolve.

by Tlacaelel on Apr 23, 2011 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah I'm not looking too forward to Laker life after Kobe

Even if we were to pick up a current high profile free agent (like a Dwight or a CP3) sometime in the next couple of years…. there is no one else in the league that will carry us to that consistent championship level… LeBron has the potential to be that kind of player but he needs a lot of work

by yesu_ni_mungu on Apr 23, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lebron is not Lakers material

Sorry. He’s a street kid who got massive PR in high school, and has great skills but not much in the character department. He hasn’t proven that he’s a leader. Hopefully, the Lakers never give him that chance.

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Lebron???

Don’t think so.

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by LakersForTrey on Apr 24, 2011 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm
Sorry. He’s a street kid who got massive PR in high school, and has great skills

sounds a lot like Kobe, don’t you agree?

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 24, 2011 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great skills?

Not on the same level as the rest; give him above-average athleticism (not historically great), or Kobe’s natural build, and he’s a moderate All-Star at best.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 24, 2011 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, I was talking about Kobe, right?

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 24, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops, replied to the wrong person.

Was meant to reply to Trey’s original comment.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 24, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

Kobe’s father played in the NBA. He grew up upper class in terms of finances.
He spent part of his youth in Italy/Europe being exposed to European cultures.
Kobe is definitely not a street kid.
He got some PR in high school, but he wasn’t already anointed the face of the NBA. He wasn’t the first overall pick, only the 13th.
Kobe does have more skills, granted.

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by Plan9FOS on Apr 24, 2011 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh gods, not this shit again.

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 24, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think most of Kobe's PR came from

him jumping to the NBA draft correct?? Actually asking, much too young I was to remember

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by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually he wouldn't be jumping directly to the NBA w/o all the PR he was getting.

He was a beast in high school, broke all kinds of records and won championships. plus his dad was a player, so that was also a hype booster.

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 24, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

really now?

you wouldnt want a player that averages 27/7/7?

TREY J FOR MVP

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by shaqfor3 on Apr 24, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we're still running the triangle??

No.

If we’re running a simpler offense he could come here.

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by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

He’s egotistical enough to try and make everything about him, he’s used to franchises bending to his will. That’s not gonna turn out well here.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 24, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

you wouldnt think cp3, howard, odom, and gasol, (if hes still a laker ), could go deep into another title run?

everybody ha always stated that the frontline of odom, gasol, and bynum was the best, ok…if you have dwight? cmon! and cp3? finally a bonafide all-star pg? with odom, and gasol? shit!! we dont need lebron! he can stay and fail at miami till the day he retires…ringless!! that frontline i just mentioned wouldnt even be fair! (ok, the bench would have to be bolstered). that would be a dream team!

by Mark Jaramillo on Apr 24, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I remember when he first came into the league

My brother and I were really excited because Kobe had potential but neither of us had any idea of how great he would actually become

by yesu_ni_mungu on Apr 23, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

LeBron is the only other player with potential to be in the All Time Great players from this Era

other then that i dont see any one who will fill the role of being the Face of NBA

Worst job in NBA: guarding Kobe

by rballer on Apr 23, 2011 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Tmac? VC? Melo? AI? Westbrook (similar game as Rose)?

there is a new face ESPN promotes every season and it falls short

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by rballer on Apr 23, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see Durant

once his body fills out

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by Marty Mart on Apr 23, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He may never fill out, like Pau.

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by SoCalGal on Apr 23, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true

Just putting it out there. A.I was a performer too, he just depended on a brand of basketball that wasn’t as successful in the postseason due to the onus being mainly on the refs to call fouls for him

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by Marty Mart on Apr 23, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Durant will ever be good enough.

Personally, I think he’s being overrated by many.

by E-ROC on Apr 23, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

griffin?

too early, but I can see it.

"Everything negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise."
- Kobe B. Bryant

by volar on Apr 23, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffin will have to leave the Clips to have maximum impact

The timing is just about right.

Griffin cares about people, so he can’t possibly think much of Sterling.

Sterling will probably ship him off for peanuts before he lets Griffin fall to the Lakers, but BG in purple and gold would be incredible.

Griffin, Drew, and a decent point guard — now that might be fun to watch.

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by LakersForTrey on Apr 24, 2011 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

B. Roy was capable of doing it. Unfortunately, yeah…

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)

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by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

all time 3’s made is really surprising
Let’s hope he beats out Ray Allen

mmmmm.... delicious

by Cup Noodles on Apr 23, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

he's younger than Ray

He’ll probably end up 1 or 2.

"Everything negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise."
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by volar on Apr 23, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

AS I love the charts you make

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Apr 23, 2011 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Great article, AS!!!

Kobe’s an assassin.

Laker fans are so spoiled! It will truly be a sad day when Kobe decides to retire.

Veni Vidi Vici

by l3oh on Apr 23, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Do not speak of Armegeddon

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant

by jXn on Apr 23, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In unrelated news, I strongly feel that Memphis is going to beat San Antonio

How would Memphis match up with Oklahoma City? I’d like the Lakers to not face the Thunder in the WCF. As it stands, we may end up playing Portland in the 2nd round, which would be kind of interesting.

by yesu_ni_mungu on Apr 23, 2011 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I want to watch a Gasol vs Gasol playoffs

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 23, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Black Swan Pau VS. White Swan Pau... awesome!

And a close second would be watching Pau VS. Marc ;)

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by deadmuse on Apr 23, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

An awesome panoramic view

But at the same time sad because talking about his legacy is a reminder of how close we are to the end of his career. I savor every moment, but I’ll be thinking ahead to the off-season of 2012 and hoping we can land someone like Dwight or Chris that can help prolong the Mamba’s reign so he can break every one of those records.

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by deadmuse on Apr 23, 2011 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Yea, hopefully, the organization will send him rinding into the sunset ( blvd)

I don’t see us getting either player, though. We really don’t have any space. Kobe’s set to make about 3 million more next year. This is why I was so iffy about Fisher’s 3 year contract and Ron’s 5 year one.
 Hate to say it, but our championship window will be closing soon. I’m not sure if the Laker’s will have a smooth transition once Kobe retires. We could be facing another dark, no play off period. Oh well, right? It’s been good. They’ve spoiled us.

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by volar on Apr 23, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naturally, it's easy to think like this.

So much can happen in an off season, or mid-season trade that a team like the Lakers won’t be depleted for long.
Not to mention that Kobe’ s eventual decline is something that can be anticipated, unlike his trade demands a few years back.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Apr 23, 2011 7:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anything can indeed happen

In the last year: San Antonio has become a run and gun team, the three biggest players of 2010 free agency went to the same team, the Celtics broke up their starting five which “had never been beaten,” (I’m still laughing at that one, thanks Doc), Utah shipped out a franchise player, Jerry Sloan is NOT coaching in Utah, the Memphis Grizzlies are up 2-1 in a playoff series against the Spurs with Rudy Gay out. That’s barely scratching the surface.

It seems like the impossible happens on a daily basis. Hell, Kobe’s highlight reels alone prove that. So I’m still hoping for the best.

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by deadmuse on Apr 23, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

volar right?

serious though i could see Kobes restructuring his contract in a few years to get somebody else on his “decline” to get him some more chips.

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by Big John Stud on Apr 24, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

where does he rank for the most playoffs wins?

Kobe will always be behind Fisher in that category though

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 23, 2011 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Depends

on how long Fisher keeps playing

by Bryan_ on Apr 23, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Bryan said, depends on how long Fisher will be playing...

Kobe is only 3 behind Derek. Fisher gained 4 wins on him from his deep run with Utah. Kobe picked up a few games on him though in various years where Fisher missed a game from injury or suspension (remember the pick by Scola that Fisher fought through (hit him) and got a suspension).

by Actuarially Sound on Apr 24, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since we're talking about Kobe's legacy

Do you think the Kobe/Shaq Lakers were better than today’s Lakers?

by yesu_ni_mungu on Apr 23, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

let today's Lakers 3peat first, then we can discuss this properly.

but imo, a mature Kobe lead Lakers > Shaq lead Lakers

The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Beko on Apr 23, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shaq never led the team.

He just happened to be the highest paid, star player. Shaq relied on the veterans around him to lead. It was always about him first and he had never outgrown this attitude. Now he doesn’t have the game to back it up.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Apr 23, 2011 7:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Shaq never really led the team, or made others better. He wasn’t a facilitator and didn’t have multiple roles like Kobe does. Kobe truly matured into being a leader. Shaq was a larger than life character who demanded the attention just by virtue of his personality, but he never had the maturity to lead.

by Lkrs4eb on Apr 23, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are the ?? s for?

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by Joshua S on Apr 25, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

easily.

TREY J FOR MVP

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by shaqfor3 on Apr 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

depth-wise

I think they’re equal because they both lack real depth at the wings or the post. I think this team is stronger on the perimeter defensively with both Kobe and Artest, but outside of that, I don’t think Pau and Bynum would be able to keep up with Shaq down low. As they couldn’t even keep up with old Shaq last year when he was with the Cavs.

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by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't lie

I used to feel like the Shaq/Kobe team was like the tide… just inevitable, on schedule, and unstoppable. The most I was worried about was Game 7 in Portland, thinking “wtf is Kobe gonna do with this play” before the lob to Shaq… once they connected on that, it was like they were plugged in/light switch was thrown, and KB8 was the missing piece with the veterans. I guess I kindof feel that way now w/ Bynum — if he flashes his maximum, we should not be beaten, but the lapses in concentration from this team are sooo frustrating!! That team didn’t seam to ever let up off of the gas… same Hollywood personality drama as now, just with more clear leadership in this era.

by Prodigal PGcounty son on Apr 24, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

2346 assists for Magic johnson...

Remarkable…

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by Hdg23 on Apr 23, 2011 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Honestly

when they talk about playoff performers, I’m so surprised that so few people talk about Magic. Outside of one really bad year in which he was called Tragic, his postseason statistics are so much better than his regular season ones

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)

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by Marty Mart on Apr 23, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trivia question: Who has more assists in the playoffs? Kobe, or Tony Park?

In other words, someone’s answer to the question will tell you exactly what type of NBA fan he is.

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by CalLadLal on Apr 23, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed!
23462891564382182443586464123444824136561715461878978998 2346 assists for Magic johnson… Remarkable…

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by Big John Stud on Apr 24, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another great piece AS!

We really are lucky aren’t we? To have been able to watch one of the most unique and special players in the history of the NBA grow before our eyes in terms of basketball ability and mental maturity. An entire decade’s worth of amazing performances to look back on, and really, some more to look forward to. His name is already among the legends. The fiercely passionate Black Mamba. The Champion.

by CaptainWaffles on Apr 23, 2011 8:34 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Speaking of Kobe's eventual last years in the NBA.

Something about the Lakers that has always amazed me was how the front office is willing to trade or move a star player to improve for the future. Goodrich was let go, and in return we got a compensation pick. Shaq traded for several key pieces of the current team.

Basically, if that day ever comes that Kobe is traded for draft picks and some young fella… I wouldn’t be surprised, and I wouldn’t be shocked if the next GLOAT candidate arose like a phoenix from those ashes.

cal: 5 - 1 - 2 lad: 6 lal: 16 cfc: 4 gbp: 13
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by CalLadLal on Apr 23, 2011 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

That last part gave me chills

I can’t wait to see who is next in line

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

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by Hdg23 on Apr 23, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope kobe won't be traded

just for the FO get some good pieces

Just got one more than Shaq. You can take that to the bank. You know how I am. I don’t forget anything. - KOBE "JELLYBEAN" BRYANT

by mrkn2ny on Apr 23, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember, though

He has a full no-trade clause.

Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.

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by DexterFishmore on Apr 23, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, everyone is based on the assumption that he agrees to the trade.

cal: 5 - 1 - 2 lad: 6 lal: 16 cfc: 4 gbp: 13
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by CalLadLal on Apr 23, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

this might sound a tad selfish on my part,

but I would hope that he would never agree to a trade.

The days where players play for one NBA team are pretty much gone and he is one of the few that I can think of who have done so. Some of those trades are by the players’ own doing of course, they aren’t winning where they currently are, they hate the city, whatever, but Kobe has been successful with only one team and that is one of thing things that I love about him as a player. I would hate to see him in a different uniform. I would sort of break my heart. I’m a big believer in loyalty and tradition and well, I would love for him to be remembered forever and always as a Laker.

by BigSkyCat on Apr 24, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

You may have your wish granted.

He’s stated he’s a Laker for life on a couple of occassions; and he understands what it’d do for his legacy if he stayed with one team for his whole career. With his no-trade clause, that means it’s unlikely for the FO to trade him even if they want to – which isn’t a given, as he’s unofficially estimated to bring 80 million per year in revenue for Buss; and even when his game tapers off, the legend of Kobe will keep reeling in dollars. The only potential conflict I can see that may lead to Kobe switching teams is if Kupchak wants to drastically reduce his salary after his current contract and Kobe doesn’t comply.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 24, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah,

and from the legacy standpoint you mention, it really wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to go somewhere else. Not now. He’s worked so hard for so long with one organization and been uber successful — to leave now? And for what? A year, maybe two of mediocrity or so-so success? And, even if he were to surprisingly somehow enjoy some level of success with another organization it would only pale in comparison to what he has done as a Laker because the reality is there just aren’t enough years left.

by BigSkyCat on Apr 24, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did Dirk pick one up in his extension, or Paul Pierce?

Or do Kobe and TD have the only ones in the League?

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it is Kobe and Garnett.

cal: 5 - 1 - 2 lad: 6 lal: 16 cfc: 4 gbp: 13
twit | "Sooner or later the word's going to get around the league that Matt Kemp might beat you." - The Bard, Vin Scully

by CalLadLal on Apr 23, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't think it's possible for Garnett to have one.
“A “no-trade” clause can be negotiated into an individual contract if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons"

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q88

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct. I forgot that it was for his time in Minny.

cal: 5 - 1 - 2 lad: 6 lal: 16 cfc: 4 gbp: 13
twit | "Sooner or later the word's going to get around the league that Matt Kemp might beat you." - The Bard, Vin Scully

by CalLadLal on Apr 23, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah

Just got one more than Shaq. You can take that to the bank. You know how I am. I don’t forget anything. - KOBE "JELLYBEAN" BRYANT

by mrkn2ny on Apr 23, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow.. Great this stuff. Kobe is amazing!

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by rs850_Lakers on Apr 23, 2011 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Awesome piece.

I know Kobe’s a great passer and not nearly as much of a ball-hog as the media lets on, but I was a little surprised to see him so close to the top 10 in assists.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 23, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

awesome piece

kobe currently sits at #11 in assits is pretty impressive to me

by shop on Apr 24, 2011 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Perhaps that speaks to Kobe’s greatest strength of all – winning – and why he will likely find himself at the top of one more list when he retires: Most All-Time Playoff Wins.

I’m guessing that Bill Russell would be #1 by a too large margin? Unless the playoff format was shorter during that time.

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8 + 24 > 23 + 6

by LakerAce on Apr 24, 2011 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Definitely shorter. Was best of 5 until fairly recently.

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by SoCalGal on Apr 24, 2011 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, there were fewer rounds

Those Bill Russell teams played only two playoff series each year.

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by DexterFishmore on Apr 24, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Russell is not very close

Most people don’t realize that when the Celtics won those 11 titles from 1957 to 1969, there were far fewer teams. From 1957 to 1966 there were only 6 teams in the entire league. In 1967 the league expanded to 8 teams (Boston lost the first year under the expanded league breaking their run of 8 straight titles) and remained at 8 teams until 1975 when it expanded to 10 teams.

I always view the Celtics run of titles as somewhat over-rated. Essentially they won 9 of their 11 titles in a six-team league. They basically had to be in the top 16% of the league which is the equivalent of a top 5 team in the NBA currently. Mathematically it is tougher to make the conference finals under today’s format is than winning a title back when the Celtics were dominant.

by Actuarially Sound on Apr 24, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome write up AS

re 30 points game, Kobe could close out on Jordan sooner than expected if you think that Kobe has had circa 40 games with 30 points or more only in the last 3 playoffs run (almost two out of every three games with 30 points or more), he might need 3 other deep playoff runs though

by Al Fharidi on Apr 24, 2011 1:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Will definitely bookmark this for future reference. Good work AS!

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by Koshu on Apr 24, 2011 3:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice

Another Laker who is in striking distance, and I’m not completely sure about this. But isn’t Derek Fisher closing in on the All-Time record for NBA Finals 3 pointers? He’s second all time in that category right now.

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Thanks for the memories Andy

by nyyrocks29 on Apr 24, 2011 6:22 AM PDT reply actions  

With Kobe's sharp instincts

maybe he would continue to serve the Lakers as GM after retirement, assuming Mitch were to hang it up. In that capacity, he might just reel in the next Kobe. [Um, Kobe the owner??]

by st0rmchaser on Apr 24, 2011 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I doubt Kobe will go the GM route.

Or at least I don’t see it. Maybe he could go part ownership similar to Magic, but I don’t think he’d ever attempt to be a full GM or owner

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)

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by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he will step away from basketball completely.

Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Apr 24, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not a GM...

but I doubt he’ll walk away from hoops. Time will tell…

by st0rmchaser on Apr 24, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

For a period I think he will

but I could see him doing something with basketball that does not involve him being in player’s faces. Maybe PR or something

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)

KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING

by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

in their faces

in terms of how they’re playing that is.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)

KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING

by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, Kobe and PR do not go together.

He does have his own company now so maybe that will be more involved in basketball, but I really don’t think he’s gonna do anything himself. Just my opinion.

Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Apr 24, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant more of the consulting type lol

not necessarily someone’s actual PR guy. lol.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)

KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING

by Marty Mart on Apr 24, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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