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Which Laker Frontline Is Most Effective?

Arguably the greatest strength of this Laker squad is their ability to trot out two All-Star caliber big men together at any given time in the game. It means that the vast majority of the time the Lakers have a crushing advantage in the paint over their opponent; and when the offense isn't clicking there's generally at least one big man who can still be relied upon to get buckets, meaning that the 'bail-out' responsibility isn't solely on Kobe's shoulders. It also leads to a great number of easy points, whether it be through offensive rebounds or open dunks given due to double teams on Kobe. Undeniably, the presence of Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum on the Los Angeles Lakers is a boon 29 other teams would kill for.

However, it can sometimes be difficult for a coach in dividing minutes up between the three. During the Regular Season, it's a total non-issue, as getting the stars rest and reducing their minutes is considered a good thing (though, with Phil Jackson's propensity to leave Pau Gasol in during the fourth quarter of blowouts, it could be argued he doesn't place as much value on this as most coaches). During the Playoffs, however, it's literally a case of having too many weapons to choose from.

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With seasoned veterans who know and relish their role like those on the Lakers, there's not really a problem in terms of player egos - all three of the core Laker bigs are beyond the stage in their careers where they worry about minutes - which makes this far less of an issue than it could be on some other teams (though I'd wager most of those teams wouldn't make the Playoffs). But there is an issue, however minuscule, in that  Phil literally has so many options it'd be hard to choose.

All the various combinations of the three Laker bigs have their own respective strengths and weaknesses; from the overwhelming size of the Bynum-Gasol frontline (one that Phil in the past has said he really likes); to the mobility, versatility and offensive fluidity of the Gasol-Odom frontline; and the cover-all-bases approach of the Bynum-Odom frontline. All these lineups also have their weaknesses; whether it be the Bynum-Gasol frontline's size making it difficult to guard 'stretch fours' and switch on screens; the Gasol-Odom frontline's relative lack of size and overwhelmingly surprising incompetence on the defensive boards; or the Bynum-Odom frontline's lack of the (usually) most effective Triangle pivot man in Pau Gasol.

As such, it's easy to imagine that it might be hard to choose a line-up to put out there. Obviously, the choice would depend on a variety of factors, such as match-ups, score, what style of offense the Lakers wish to play (obviously Bynum's not the best-suited to pushing the ball), the need for rebounds, the defensive scheme, and time of game. And Phil Jackson's probably the best coach in the history of the game at organising talent, so he'd do it better than most.

But what's interesting is that Lamar Odom, one who many have been lauding as the most consistent Laker throughout the season, and the League's Sixth Man of the Year, has seen his minutes drop in the playoffs. In the Playoffs, with the complete elimination of players like Theo Ratliff and Joe Smith from the rotation, one would expect all three members of the frontline's minutes to increase; however Lamar's have dropped from 32 to 28 minutes per game. Incredibly small sample size is of course a massive issue here, but the trend still exists, with his minutes dropping consistently every game. One would think that a major reason for his drop in minutes, in the small sample size provided, would be his subpar performance in Game One, but indeed that game featured his highest minutes total of the Playoffs so far.

It's possible to draw a strong correlation between Odom's drop in minutes and Bynum's resurgence as a dominant force on the inside, with Bynum's minutes having jumped from his regular season average of approximately 28 per game to roughly 31. And indeed, Bynum does deserve the extra minutes, but at the same time Odom is arguably as crucial as Bynum. Indeed, the Bynum-Odom frontline is statistically the Lakers' best defensive frontline by a wide margin; as shown in this table:

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(from Actuarially Sound's excellent piece here)

The table also highlights some other interesting trends, such as Phil's preferred frontline of Gasol and Bynum actually being the least effective of the frontline combinations when played in conjunction with the starters. It also reinforces some already known notions - that the Odom/Gasol frontline is the most effective offensively, for example. However, perhaps the most jarring realisation from this table is that the most effective frontline that the Lakers possess (statistically, at least) is by far the least-utilised front line.

Of course, many don't believe statistics are the be-all end-all in basketball analysis, and I'm of that camp myself, however it does make sense that Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum combine to make a very effective frontline. The two combine the best of both worlds, in that Bynum is a true big man of the type that can go to work and get baskets in the low post, whilst being a monster on the boards and a significant defensive presence. Meanwhile Odom adds versatility in his ability to switch on screen-and-rolls, defend and play virtually every position on the floor, grab a rebound and run the break, guard stretch fours and play as a dribble penetrator and floor-spreader as well as in the post.

This combination of size and mobility is in contrast to the Bynum-Gasol frontline, which does feature some redundancy in that both require being fed the ball in the low post for most of their offensive input. Also, with Bynum's reliable range being limited almost exclusively to the paint, and Pau's being to abou 18-foot, spacing issues present themselves as well, as shown by the comparatively lower offensive efficiency of that line up compared to the other two in the table above. While the lineup does feature more size than any other in the NBA, it does so at the cost of mobility, making screen-and-roll defense more difficult. What's more, as Gasol and Odom are very comparable rebounders (15.6% and 15.2% Total Rebound Rate, respectively); this lineup doesn't even present a significant advantage on the boards.

The polar opposite of the 'Twin Towers' line up, the Gasol-Odom line up is perhaps the most well-known of the Laker line ups. Whilst Phil claims he prefers the Bynum-Gasol frontline due to its overwhelming size, a combination of injuries and offensive fluidity have led to this frontline combination playing more often than any other; a trend even more present in prior years where Bynum missed greater amounts of time to injury. It's the line up that was on the floor for most of the Lakers' 2009 and 2010 Championship runs, and the one that's trusted to close games out by Phil. However, we've seen instances when this has cost the Lakers. Whether it be singular events like the lack of Bynum's presence in rebounding leading to the Kenyon Martin put-back; or larger trends such as the Laker defense comprehensively collapsing in fourth quarters, there is much evidence to point to this line-up not always being a great idea, particularly in closing out games where stops are needed.

The primary reason for this lineup being out there in crunch-time is offensive fluidity, with the combination having a higher offensive efficiency than any other; but that idea seems somewhat redundant in true crunch time, where Kobe's usage rate spikes and Gasol often disappears. If Kobe is carrying the offense; then why put in a frontline which is more gifted offensively at the cost of any chance whatsoever of effective defense? Unless an opponent is playing small-ball in which the matchups dictate that Gasol and Odom will match up better with the opponent, I would argue that Bynum should be in the game in crunch time. 

As for the issue of where that leaves the other two big men, it really would depend on match-ups, but quite frankly Gasol has a habit of disappearing in fourth quarters, when refs swallow their whistles and teams get more physical; whilst Odom has a knack for getting the crucial rebound, or hitting the deep three, or going coast-to-coast for the back-breaking layup. Odom has been a true closer this season, with clutch moments comparable only to Bryant's. This is probably a pretty controversial stance to take, considering the line-up on the floor to win the last two championships has featured Odom and Gasol; but I believe that with Odom's emergence as a consistent force on the Lakers, and Bynum's growth into a defensive monster (not to mention Gasol has regressed in terms of rebounding, efficiency and defense in comparison to the prior two years), a frontline featuring Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom is the best one the Lakers possess, and as such should see the lion's share of minutes. What do you think?

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OOOH OOOH pick me...pick me!
Which Laker Frontline Is Most Effective?

Sarge Clemins

by Big John Stud on Apr 23, 2011 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Sarge and his M16?

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

i was gonna say….“The one that wins?” lol

Sarge Clemins

by Big John Stud on Apr 23, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

They all win, when playing with the starters.

Those numbers AS compiled are amazing.. any lineup featuring our starting backcourt with any two of our bigs always wins by double digits, whereas any lineup with ANY of our bench backcourt barely breaks even.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Bynum and Odom win twice as hard as Bynum and Gasol.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuggin hardcore!

Gasol just seems to suck even more on Dfence when Bynum is out there. Take an instance last nite where Drew Had Ball, God and everybody else (besides Gasol i guess) knew Drew was gonna shoot 10 footer….Gasol just needs to run a few steps toward rim for “chance” at rebound, well he dont and little 6 ft something incher gets said Board that is NOT gobbled up by the Spanaird.

OR Bynum goes up to challenge shot on a swith out (which means Gasol shoulda been covering Meka near rim) Gasol does not notice “big” man behind him….big man get ball, big man score.

Sarge Clemins

by Big John Stud on Apr 23, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks man

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.. well done

It was the same point that I made in a couple of previous posts this season however your way with words was more effective than mine. Very well done my friend. Rec’d.

by Actuarially Sound on Apr 23, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Haha, originally I was going to write a short post bitching about Odom’s minutes going down in the postseason.. then I found that table of yours. There’s so much to derive from that table it’s crazy, there’s a whole series of topics that could stream from it.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree...

I couldn’t touch on all of them in my post because no one wants to read a novel.

by Actuarially Sound on Apr 23, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed it's a well stated article

It’s nice to have the problem (of 3 effective big men) but what’s equally interesting (to me anways) is the continuing evolution of Pau and Drew’s game. Drifting out to the elbow and beyond isn’t strategic as much as tactical and it forces our best spacing. Let a team try to pack in their D and we’ll cut em up…inside the arc. It works when we’re committed to rebounding. Good read and the base article was an excellent study.

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by Zen and Tonic on Apr 23, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bynum/Odom > Gasol/Odom

Especially at end game situations. But Phil doesn’t see it that way.
Nice read, Saurav!

by jackpot on Apr 23, 2011 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Guess he likes continuity.

Thanks

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Caracter and Joe Smith !!!

Haha, but seriously, I don’t think it matters all that much. Would like to see Odom get a few more minutes though.
Awesome article as well.

mmmmm.... delicious

by Cup Noodles on Apr 23, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I've always preferred the Odom/Bynum lineup for defensive purposes

Even last year when Drew wasn’t the defensive terror he is right now. As Saurav points out, it makes better sense from a matchup perspective because Odom and Bynum feel like a more natural frontcourt pairing on both ends.

Granted, one benefit of the Odom/Gasol pairing is that it opens up the paint more for our wings, namely Kobe or Artest, to post up with better spacing (as Odom moves to the perimeter and Pau to the high post) whereas Drew is largely a spectator as the weakside rebounder in those scenarios.

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by Ben R on Apr 23, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Just for the heck of it

Since minutes go up anyways and the bench isn’t used as much i think it would be cool if i saw Bryant, Artest, Odom, Gasol and Bynum, Idk how it would work but the length is there and i guess quickness isn’t affected. But now they can guard a pg. Just a thought =)

by Crisawn_is_a_Lakers_fan on Apr 23, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

You beat me to the point

Just set-up around the paint and let them shot from 18 ft out. You tilt the zone to the main 3 shooter for time to closeout with a couple steps, ie.. without running them off.

by SkyHooker on Apr 23, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've dreamt of that many a time

I mean what the hell. We play the Triangle. Odom and Kobe can both bring the ball up the court. I’d love to watch at least a quarter of that lineup on the court!

by BruinPain on Apr 23, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah at least in a blow out.

To see how it goes. Maybe in game five of this years finals haha. I think Phil Jackson needs to read SSR

by Crisawn_is_a_Lakers_fan on Apr 23, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think, to grasp on something from the article,

that Pau was often left in at the end of games that were blowouts was to build his confidence in the closing minutes of quarters. Phil wanted to instill in him being that primary or at least a lethal offensive option in the 4th quarter. I’m pretty sure he said that at one point.

As for this, I don’t think Odom necessarily needs more minutes, but I think him playing with Bynum more while with starters would be a better idea while Pau plays more with the second unit as their primary weapon in the post. I actually like the Bynum/Gasol lineup we trot out to begin games because many times it helps us establish good presence in the paint to discourage before we get smaller on the perimeter and with Odom. I don’t think he should be playing more than Pau though, unless Pau is playing like he was in the first two games. I just think when usually Bynum comes out, Pau should go out and then come in with the second unit while Odom plays with Bynum and the starters to get him in a rhythm before being the ballhandler with the second unit. Then Pau stays in when Bynum comes back in. What I really wish was that we had freaking Kurt Thomas to come in and give good defensive minutes. lol

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by Marty Mart on Apr 23, 2011 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Play them all

Some of you are so hard on Fish, try sitting him.
Play LO, PG, AB, RA. KB and use a zone to make the opponents chuck from the outside. Then use moving screens (body blocks) against anyone stepping into the paint, with or without the ball. This is Perkins standard mode.

The Kenyon Martin put-back was an easy foul call and was directly linked to the lack of desire the team showed in the following games. Remember KB was brutalized in Utah the game before. They simply let the League Office know that there is a correlation between effort and equality of officiating. Maybe LO should have been stronger on that rb but it looked like he got pushed off-balance just as he was taking step and was not able to recover. Good veteran move by Martin, but a clear foul the way the game had been called to that point. What Allen did to Fish in the 3rd qrt of game 7, was also not called. But the game against Denver was not called that way for 4 qrts and game 7 was.

The Lakers are still the best draw and I would assume the League wants them giving 100%, so the Lakers should get 100% from the League. Bumping and grinding is being physical, grabbing and pushing is fouling. If the League is going to allow “physical” play the Lakers need to match elbow for elbow.

Grabbing…OMG, now I am back to the Wade non-calls,s,s on Kobe……aw. Wade the MVF, most valuable fouler.

by SkyHooker on Apr 23, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Why not a lineup of Fish, Kobe, Odom, Gasol and Bynum?

Odom is athletic enough to play SF and I would think he would be able to do a better job guarding someone like Durant than Artest. It’s not the same as putting out 3 centers and expecting it to work but only Odom would be playing out of position, and it’s not like he’s a 7 ft immobile rock.

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by afrikabamboodle on Apr 23, 2011 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I see a lot of people suggesting a lineup with all three.

Phil tried that a few times in seasons past and it didn’t work out too well; though with Odom and Pau’s increased range and Odom’s increased freedom of movement its more suited to work now than in prior seasons. However, there’s simply the fact that if you play all three at once, it’d pretty much mean a reduction in minutes for Barnes/Artest, who’ve been playing alright; and simultaneously would mean minutes for Joe Smith and/or Theo Ratliff. Basically, it results in a re-allocation of minutes from Artest and Barnes to Smith and Ratlifff – not good.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Bynum/Gasol is best. It’s a no-brainer.

by JovanBuha on Apr 23, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Do explain.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 23, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just feel it has the best balance. Statistics may say different, which I understand, but looking at it, I feel it’s quite obvious. Pau Gasol is our overall best and most talented big man. He should be on the court in our best line-up because he’s our 2nd best player, an All-Star and All-NBA caliber guy, and one of the best offensive big men in the game. Now, Drew vs LO. Both bring unique skill sets to the table, but I feel LO’s are more similar to Pau’s then Drew’s are. Drew is a defensive anchor, who puts on his hard hat and bangs down low. Pau is more finesse (or soft), and doesn’t have the same defensive effect. LO, for all his talent, is more of a finesse player too. I just feel LO and Pau are the most similar, and for us to have the best line-up, we need offense (Pau), defense (Drew), down-low (Drew), midrange and long-range (Pau), passing (Pau) and our two best bigs (Drew and Pau). I love LO, and we definitely wouldn’t win a chip without him, but he’s our 3rd best big men. When all three are on their game, he’s the worst. By far, in my opinion. No one in the NBA can replicate what Pau can do. Seldom few can do what Bynum can do (maybe only Dwight Howard). The same can’t be said for Odom (I mean maybe, but there’s a few similar guys).

by JovanBuha on Apr 24, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great job Saurav

I also am confounded as to why we have Pau-LO on the court in crunch time when Kobe is taking over. Bynum should be in there to prevent any put-backs or offensive rebounds by the other team, hence leading to second chance points that really hurt us down the line.

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by jXn on Apr 23, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Just play Kobe, ron, LO, Pau, and Drew. problem solved

you really havn’t lost any quickness but are getting way bigger and much much better on defense the only downside is that the bench would suck balls but for some reason i can’t remember phil ever even trying this line-up.

"This team is going to win regardless of if I get 15 points or if I get four points. That’s the kind of team we are," he said. "But this team won’t win if we don’t have defensive toughness on the inside. I just think that’s the biggest thing I can bring." – Andrew Bynum

by njg425 on Apr 23, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

next time i'll read the comments BEFORE i post lol

"This team is going to win regardless of if I get 15 points or if I get four points. That’s the kind of team we are," he said. "But this team won’t win if we don’t have defensive toughness on the inside. I just think that’s the biggest thing I can bring." – Andrew Bynum

by njg425 on Apr 23, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for breaking this down Saurav.

If Gasol continues to play like yesterday, which would be more in line with his effort and effectiveness during the past two playoff runs, I’d be happy to toss out the numbers. I’d say the odds are he’ll live up to previous billing more than not.

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by Koshu on Apr 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

So $ > £

Is what you’re sayin

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by Joe Guerra on Apr 23, 2011 3:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Tough answer

Although I agree that Drew is finally showing the potential that Laker fans have been waiting to see for the past 2-3 years Pau in the line-up allows the triangle offense to run more fluid. We all know Koby is going to demand the ball most of the last 4 minutes but he seems to be more willing to include and pass to Pau and odom in crunch time than to Drew. Also, as Koby said after the game one loss … Pau is the number two option and there is a responsibility that goes with that. If it works for Koby then it works for me.

by Allleft74 on Apr 23, 2011 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I like having Odom in because he causes match up problems for most teams

but I prefer the gasol bynum lineup to close games. Gasol has knack for seeing plays at end game and making timely blocks no matter how much he sucked throughout and Bynum is often a beast on D when healthy. Odom might be more mobile but he still smaller and had a couple of sleeping moments this season.

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by Madz on Apr 23, 2011 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Tough Call

Although I beliew that Drew is finally showing the growth that laker fans have been waiting for these past 3-4 years, I still am sticking with Pau and Odom. We give up some rebounding and a solid shot blocker we gain a smoother running triangle offense. With Pau’s range the middle is freed up for drives to the basket with little hel defense from the other team. this holds especially true for Koby when he drives. But I think the biggest reason I go with this line-up in “crunch” time is that Koby has more confidense in Pau than he does Drew. As he said the other day, Pau is the no.2 option in the offense. Chemistry is everything in the play-offs and if the is what Koby wants … let him do what he does. we all know in the ladst 4 minutes or so koby is going to demand the ball and try to take over the game anyway. With Pau in the line-up (and Odom) he tends to pass a little more, it seems, because he believes in them and he knows they will be in the right place to make a play.

by Allleft74 on Apr 23, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

A theory on why the Gasol/Bynum lineup is the "least" effective, according to the stats.

And it’s quite simple. Gasol/Bynum are the starters, so during most of the first quarter, they’re playing against the other team’s starters. We usually only see Odom/Bynum or Odom/Gasol when the other team has bench players on the floor as well. I think this might skew the stats a bit.

Gasol/Bynum might be our best lineup, the stats just don’t show it because this lineup is usually only used against the other team’s best lineup.

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8 + 24 > 23 + 6

by LakerAce on Apr 24, 2011 12:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Odom/Gasol play a lot with the starters as well.

It’d probably be at least 50/50 for them playing with the starters or bench.

"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.

by Saurav A. Das on Apr 24, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Odom and Bynum has been the best starting unit even when adjusting for the level of the competition

Basketball-value.com provides not only the raw plus-minus for the various line-ups, but they also provide an adjusted plus-minus in which they adjust for the quality of the opposition. The adjusted plus-minus for those same three line-ups are:
Gasol-Bynum: +10.5
Odom-Gasol: +9.7
Odom-Bynum: +17.7

The combination of Odom and Bynum has been the best starting unit (with the other starters), even when adjusting for the level of the competition.

by Actuarially Sound on Apr 24, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, cool.

Thanks!

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

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8 + 24 > 23 + 6

by LakerAce on Apr 24, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tough choice.

I like how we see all three lineups during the game, Phil can see which one works the best given the match-ups against the opponent’s frontline, as well as see which of the three players have played the best. Despite it being the playoffs, I think Phil is still doing a little bit of teaching on the court, as in yanking out Gasol for not doing well, but still giving him crunch time minutes to find a way to get it together (Game 2, I think).

That said, less minutes for Odom means more for Bynum, which can only be a good thing. Nice read.

This space is open for a good sig.

by phaia on Apr 24, 2011 2:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Odom's minutes????

Easy with the averages. We are 3 games into the playoffs and his time is down 3 minutes a game……..Verdict; Over Analysis………

by bradleycsocal on Apr 24, 2011 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

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