Stray Bullets: Picking Up The Slack
Imagine I gave you the raw box score of the Lakers starters from last night, but withheld the score, except to tell you there was no blowout. Then you saw that Kobe Bryant scored only 11 points on 3-10 shooting, with 3 rebounds and 2 assists, and that Pau Gasol scored 8 points on 2-10 shooting, and 5 rebounds. Most likely, you'd think the Lakers lost, right? For the team's two best players to score and shoot less than Kobe does himself on any given night, it couldn't possibly be a good sign, right? In a Playoff game at that? In most cases, and probably for any other team in the NBA, it's the makings of a miserable loss.
Instead, the Lakers secondary stars and bench stepped up to carry the night, because they are the deepest, most talented team in the NBA. This couldn't happen a year ago. Or even two years ago. Bynum wasn't able to step up and carry the team without being a blackhole. Lamar wasn't consistent and confident enough to put the team on his back. It always fell on Kobe and/or Pau. The rest of the Lakers fed off of them this time. As time goes on, no longer do they need Kobe or Pau to be All-World to find their own game. Pau's slacking? Andrew raised the intensity. Kobe's focusing on defending Chris Paul instead of scoring? Lamar took over the game.
Last night, Kobe and Pau rode Lamar, Andrew, Ron and the bench to a win. Hopefully, it pulls the Lakers out of the semi-funk they've been in.
- It was far from a perfect game, but the Lakers showed a glimpse again of why they are the most talented team in the NBA. Anyone of five guys can step up and beat you.
- I'm cool with the Lakers scoring 84 points if they continue to play defense like that. Last night's defense was similar to the D they played in their 18-1 post All-Star Game break.
- I hate Carl Landry. Not my Kenyon Martin kind of hate though. I mean it as a compliment. Dude is a straight up Lakers killer. He wasn't as good as he was in Game 1, but he never hesitates to take it straight at Pau. Want to know why Pau looks shell-shocked? It's mostly because Carl Landry smells Pau's fear like a a shark smells blood. I feel David West's injury is a secret blessing for the Hornets like Yao's injury was for the Rockets a couple of years ago. West, like Carlos Boozer, is bothered by the Lakers bigs. Landry isn't. He's quicker, more athletic, and isn't scared to attack the basket, and it's keeping Pau off of his game.
- Never mind Kobe's off night statistically. I thought he played well. It's not often that you see Kobe perfectly willing to let the game flow as it is. He was asked to play D on Chris Paul, and play D he did. Kobe only taking ten shots? He might do that in one quarter alone some games. Limiting Chris Paul was far more important than the 34 points Mamba put in Game 1.
- Chris Paul scored 20 points last night on 5-11 from the floor,and 8-11 free throws. Take away the two quarter ending threes, and two silly Kobe fouls at the three point line (CP3 went 5-6 from the line on those), and Paul only scored 9 points within the flow of the offense. Those threes and Kobe fouls didn't come in the expense of Paul controlling the pace and killing the Lakers D. In Game 1, he carved up the Lakers, creating mismatches on pick and rolls, then leaving Pau and Bynum hesitant and unsure while he tossed up jumpers, runners, found Emeka Okafor, Carl Landry, and Aaron Gray, or earned trips to the charity stripe. Due to disciplined defense by Kobe and company, Paul wasn't able to create as well. Our bigs wer able to stay home and keep theirs from easy buckets. The ball was forced out of CP3's hands and the Lakers in turn forced 16 turnovers last night, as opposed to 3 in Game 1.
- When Kobe did shoot, the bulk of it came by beating Trevor Ariza off the dribble all night long. Especially to the left. I thought he took too long getting the shot up on some drives, and he was hacked and no whistle on a few, but his dunk on the other side of the rim was especially sweet.
- Speaking of Trevor Ariza, he had a great game. But as Saurav mentioned jn his preview, having Trevor take the shots is something the Lakers are probably fine with. Ariza did a great job of not settling for jumpers and he attacked the basket with success, but his role as main scorer happened as Hornets were only able to score 78 points against tough Lakers defense. More Ariza and less Chris Paul is something the Lakers will take every game.
- Tony Brothers is the worst.
- The Lakers seemed to want to push the tempo in Game 2. I wrote a preview for a Hornets game this season, and noticed that the Hornets used a slow pace to their advantage. It allows Chris Paul to control the pace of the game, and kill you with his pick and rolls. The tide really turned when the bench came in. It seemed that the Lakers wanted to push the ball on missed Hornets shots and turnovers. They did a great job of getting out and putting pressure on the Hornets defense before they could set up. I thought Steve Blake did a great job of pressuring Chris Paul and Jarret Jack, while getting the ball to Matt Barnes and others in transition opportunities.
- Ron Artest had a plus/minus of -6, while Marco Belinelli was +7. Go figure.
- I wasn't sure if that was Steve Blake or Caillou.
- Reggie Miller mentioned that Monty Williams stated that "his guys fight each other in practice." I wish someone would fight Pau.
- Bynum and Pau need to hedge the screens on every Okafor/Gray & CP3 screen/roll. No way Okafor and Gray can do something with the ball 15-18 feet out. If they think they can, let them. Win/win for the Lakers.
- Does Derek Fisher ever think about pulling up and holding the ball, or passing on any transition opportunity? Whenever he's the first Laker over the half court line and he has the ball, he's guaranteed to put his head down and go to the hole. Doesn't matter if it's 1-on-1 or 1-on-5.
- So long as he breaks up more transition buckets than he botches, I'll deal. He has an uncanny knack of breaking up fastbreaks no matter the numbers.
- Lamar was great, huh? I can't say enough about him. He single handedly ate up the Hornets early lead and along with Andrew Bynum seized control of the game for good. No longer does he defer to Kobe or Pau when he has obvious advantages.
- When Lamar was subbed in for the first time, he came in for Pau instead of Andrew. That never happens. That tells you how bad Pau is playing. Kudos to Phil for making it a point to drive the point home to Pau. He even called him out duirng the 3rd Quarter sideline interview.
- If Andrew didn't get into foul trouble, Pau would have played less minutes in the second half.
- Pau? I really have nothing elseto say about you. If you're going to struggle against the Hornets like this, what about the Mavs, Blazers, Thunder, Celtics, Heat, or Bulls? You better step up homie. I'm getting really tired of seeing these ultra-weak games from you.
- Thank God Andrew is healthy.
- Knock on wood.
- Don't worry Pau, I still believe in you.
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So true. No problem with it at all. Of course he's getting killed 'cuz he called Pau out after Game 1, but screw it. Totally different situation.
Never mind Kobe’s off night statistically. I thought he played well. It’s not often that you see Kobe perfectly willing to let the game flow as it is. He was asked to play D on Chris Paul, and play D he did. Kobe only taking ten shots? He might do that in one quarter alone some games. Limiting Chris Paul was far more important than the 34 points Mamba put in Game 1.
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Pau deserves to get called out.
At least Kobe missed bunnies. Pau won’t dare to attempt them. He let’s himself get pushed out then throws up the weakest shit ever.
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I picked on Pau before it was cool to pick on Pau
So now, there’s no joy in it for me. He’ll be fine, he’ll get on track.
It's never been cool to pick on Pau.
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by Deuce4Mamba on Apr 21, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, its definitely in vogue now
All the cool kids are doin’ it
straight up.
Let him get back to good form, everybody’ll be on his jock again.
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by Deuce4Mamba on Apr 21, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
love the perfect flow of the bullets
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I think Kobe might have been bothered by his neck/shoulder run in with the chair on Sunday still. Just didn't look like he was comfortable shooting when he was at the line and that makes me think he wasn't comfortable shooting unless he had to shoot.
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I loved Steve Blake aka Caillou, LO, & Drew last night!
I think that was Caillou’s best game :)
I got Wheaties!!!
lol, caillou
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LOL, so cute.
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do we have the worst starting 5 in transition situations in the league?
3 on 1, kobe has the ball, fisher on his left (shit!) artest on his right (shit!), pau and bynum trotting up the floor (shit!)
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lol
really tho, it’s no bueno
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe thats why our defensive rebounding numbers aren't the greatest
teams dont send many players back on transition defense, they just linger around and try to rebound
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And lord in heaven, please don't attempt a long pass. Instant turnover.
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Odom's long passes right?
gotta love those lol
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The best one was at the end of Game 7. Otherwise, hell no.
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I mean it in
When we need transition buckets, we get them. Fish is good at going at the contact
you mean you dont cringe when you see fish driving down the lane?
transition or not, thats not his strong point. dick bavetta could swat one of his layup attempts
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No no, I only cringe when it's not on a fast break and its the regular season.
I don’t worry about Fish at all in the playoffs, honestly.
Last night
I liked his drives to the lane. They were odd, yes, and awkward, and difficult, but damn it if it didn’t seem like he knew what he was doing.
It was like he was saying “if my old ass can drive the lane you guys better stop taking jumpshots and get in here!!!”
What?
Nearly all of his non-transition drives (as all the transition opportunities were basically open layups he botched) were into heavy coverage in which he was expecting to get bailed out at the rim because he didn’t have a chance in hell of converting. He never gets that call and it might as well be an empty possession.
It’s almost striking to see the difference when Blake comes in and works on getting everyone else into their sets and limits himself solely to catch-and-shoot opportunities. That’s basically what Fisher needs to do, as he’s an absolutely terrible finisher and has been for basically his entire career.
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I disagree completely
He converted a lot of his drives last night.
Yeah and I noticed he went to the hole more thane he does...
I think he figured that Paul and Kobe weren’t converting buckets so he took it to the hole instead of just shooting. Which is a good idea.
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No, he didn't
He converted maybe one attempt out of like three off the dribble. And missed two of I believe three wide open attempts in transition. He’s an absolutely terrible finisher and annually finishes among the bottom in the league in terms of converting at the rim. Considering that he almost never draws fouls on his drives, you could rank his drives worse than him shooting long twos off the dribble, a Brown step back, or a Kobe heat check. It’s pissing a possession away, especially because he’s not good at dishing the ball out on penetration, another contrast to Blake.
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Fish and Blaker have different roles
If Fish began thinking like Blake there’d be no intangibles. I dont care how many times Fish misses, he takes a risk and those risks translate to buckets when we need them most.
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Oh, come on
There’s zero justification for him to drive to the basket in the halfcourt. Absolutely none. All the intangibles in the world don’t help there. On a night when Bynum was owning the paint and Artest had a guy 40-50 pounds lighter than him in the post, there’s no excuse.
In transition? Okay, I’ll take that. I’ll deal with PUJITs and fairly open layup attempts. But against a set defense? Doubt he could score on a drive consistently against a college defense, let alone a NCAA one.
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by Ben R on Apr 21, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
let alone a NBA* one
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I think we've long established that Fish isn't a great
offensive nor defensive threat. Safe to say his best years are behind him. So he’s terrible at driving to the hoop and misses most of what he attempts. What exactly are you getting at?
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That he simply take open jumpers and become passive like Blake?
We can come up with all the adjustments that Fish can make to his game. However, if the Lakers are fine with it and have endured his terrible drives to the baskets and lived to tell about it with back to back chips, then if it ain’t broke we don’t need to fix it.
Would another pg do a better job in Fish’s job? Absolutely. But like we live or die with Kobe’s chuckerific lifestyle, then we abide the same with Fisher’s daring ventures to the hoop and questionable decisions on both ends of the floor.
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Fish's place*
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However, if the Lakers are fine with it and have endured his terrible drives to the baskets and lived to tell about it with back to back chips, then if it ain’t broke we don’t need to fix it.
I hate this attitude. A spade is a spade. I don’t care who it is. If you make crappy plays, you should get called out on it. There aren’t any sacred cows on this team; if Phil and Kobe are legitimate subjects of criticism — and they have been over the history of this site — then Fisher isn’t exempt from that. For sure, he’ll provide us with a moment these playoffs that will probably further enshrine him in Laker lore, but that doesn’t let us excuse everything that happened in the 47 other minutes of the game.
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by Ben R on Apr 21, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No one has exempted Fish for his actions
In fact he’s gotten a fair amount of criticism for his lack of defense and inability to get things going on offense, especially being the co-captain of this team.
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That he shouldn't drive to the basket in the halfcourt
That’s basically it. Trying to say that it’s somehow not a terrible decision escapes me.
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by Ben R on Apr 21, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just wanted to point out:
Fish converts 49.3% of his attempts at the rim (for this season), as opposed to 36.1% from everywhere else inside the arc. Unless, he’s shooting a 3, I don’t really see why Fisher taking a jump shot is a better outcome than him driving to the rim, where he both finishes better and is more likely to draw a foul.
We all know that he takes some ill-advised off the dribble jump shots. Most of the time, he misses them. So wouldn’t you rather he make an ill-advised (if it even is that) move to the lane than shoot one of those? I know I’d certainly be much more happy with it. Because even in driving to the lane, there are a bunch of other possible outcomes than just hit or miss. He can pass off to a cutter or one of the bigs. He could miss the layup, but having drawn defense as he drove in, created an easy offensive rebound or put-back. If he’s taking contested off the dribble jumpers, those are all either not possible or far less likely.
Let’s be clear that the most common offensive play Fish should be making is an open 3-point shot. It just seems like, of the other plays he makes, the benefits of one are much greater than the other.
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Basically
all he is saying is that Fish should not be attacking the basket as if he’s Derrick Rose and should be spotting up for jumpers as more of a set shooter instead of trying to create off the dribble. Do I want him to be like Blake? No. But if he is going to dribble like a threat he needs to kick it out more often and rarely when Fish gets the ball and takes a dribble does he pass it off.
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Oh yeah, I understand that.
Just pointing out that he’s not THAT bad going to the rim. Obviously it’s preferable that he take open, set shots, but we’ve seen all season (and last season) that he’s going to dribble the ball. Once he does, it’d be much better to have him drive than launch the ball up from outside. Those are the worst shots he takes.
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See for me
I prefer he drive, but look to kick out of it. If a defense is capable of letting Fisher break through them then they will more than likely also be bad at rotating to cover from a kick out and swings as well. Unfortunately, he rarely does that
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49.3% at rim is probably worse compared to the League Average
than 36.3% in midrange. I don’t have the time to check that, but I’d expect them to at least have similar differentials.
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by Saurav A. Das on Apr 22, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought Kobe played well; he got hacked on a couple of plays with no calls.
Hehe @ Caillou
I don’t know what’s wrong with Pau, but I still believe that he’ll get it together. He HAS to.
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Wondah, you hate Kenyon like I do? You loathe/extremely respect Carl Landry's mentality in basketball?
Yes, we’re twins.
Landry completely floors me with his professionalism and play. Did you see last night when Jack UNLOADED on him in the fourth quarter for not getting down on defense. Yea, it was cute and all that Jack wanted to see his team play hard, but that was uncalled for. Landry had been keeping his man under wraps, and Jack had been doing a lot of Not Shit. Yet, Landry kept his mouth closed, and kept working. No, they didn’t win, but that’s a guy you want on your bench, and in games.
by Jevon O on Apr 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
we've been saying
y’all are brothers
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to know where Jack gets off yelling at his teammates. Chris Paul I could understand. Jack? WTF
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Jarrett Jack and the coach are really close
Jack’s dad helped raise Monty, and later Monty made moves so he could have Jack on his team. I think he’s got Jack taking some leadership positions and being the hardnose for the team.
Still, it was uncalled for.
I thought he had a right to.
His star or starter’s status shouldn’t affect calling out what was right. They’re pros.
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Wondah, think about mentality, though.
You want Steve Blake doing that to Gasol in the middle of the game? Nahhh.
Handle stuff like that on the bench or in a huddle or somewhere where you don’t castrate the player in front of 20,000 people. Landry is not going to forget that, I promise you, and not in a good way.
Yes I would like that.
Plus, it’s the Playoffs as Wondah says and Jarrett Jack is the veteran on that team.
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Jarrett Jack got traded to that team around the trade deadline.
Jarrett Jack is also and NBA journeyman and was drafted in 05. Carl Landry is the Exact same age as Jack.
I think this is a case in which not knowing the locker room dynamics of that team at all
Makes any of this massive guesswork. For all we know, he may be the guy most respected in the locker room after Paul and West, or he could be a complete jackass. I don’t think his age, skill level, or tenure with the team are really indicative of anything unless there’s a big discrepancy.
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by Ben R on Apr 21, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't compare Jack/Blake to Landry/Gasol.
More like Fish to Gasol.
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Bad example.
I want the fucking ball boy calling out Gasol in the middle of a game.
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by Saurav A. Das on Apr 22, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
It's the Playoffs.
Landry didn’t say anything bc deep down, he knew Jack was right. That’s a sign of a team that gets along. It didn’t bother them.
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by wondahbap on Apr 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Landry also played worse after that :(
I think it showed that they were falling apart. I saw him go out of his way to pick Landry up after he fell a play later, but Landry’s face was a mask, like he was drained. Honestly, that’s a very dangerous thing to do.
Think about the fragile chemistry at work, and having someone yell and scream at you in front of a customer; it can be done, but it’s dangerous. Jarrett doing it is very, very dangerous.
Didn't know Landry was as sensitive as Kwame Brown
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He must be a venus fly trap in disguise
He’s been killing us for as long as I can remember
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Jevon and Wondah disagree
The world is back to normal
Haha.
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lol
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
dammint!! Twins arguing!
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by Big John Stud on Apr 21, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Jack went 2-6 last night and ended up with 6 points. Who should have been yelling at him?
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Landry.
So they can all yell at each other because its the playoffs and showing emotion and overstating minor errors is what makes teams closer, as evidenced by the Lakers willingness to holler and scream at each other at all times.
Actually, I support a stern talking to by any player to another player for not hustling, but screaming and bowing up to them for an extended amount of time like Jack did, then following it up with not doing shit to help the team out just comes off awkward with a capital Awk.
Exactly. It has nothing to do with star power and that's not what I meant when I said I could understand Chris Paul yelling.
I meant at least someone who’s doing something to help the team, which Jack was not.
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I pointed out this a while back but in the Orlando series....
Kobe yelled at Bynum in the bench. “Get your head in the fucking game”. As you pointed out he did it on the bench not on the court.
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I think that we as Lakers fans sometimes support the over emotional yelliness because
the Celtics are our main enemies, and that is their go to method for enthusiasm.
Phil Jackson, on the other hand, believes in a calm, zen-like, manner of motivation and organization and that rubs us the wrong way sometimes.
Naturally, then, we will see other ways and secretely wish that was what we did and ponder and pine for it.
screw the celtics
i loved it as a basketball fan
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Explain then
How that helped the team at all
their energy dipped considerably after that play
I liked seeing that emotion is what I'm saying
never said it benefited them.
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Brothers need to get back on D
I wish folks would yell at our bigs about it a lot more
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I agree. JJ had pretty much every right to call his fellow teammates on that play.
He is a very hard-nosed player that gives you his all on any given night. On that fastbreak, he was the only one down the other end defending as the rest of his teammates nonchalantly trotted down the court. When you’re desperate to win, you do whatever it takes to make the rest of your teammates realize that “Hey, wake the hell up! This is the real deal right here so leave it all on the court or go sit down and let someone else take care of it.”
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
Only for that play though.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
I wouldn't justify him yelling at any other time of the game.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
"Hey, wake the hell up! This is the real deal right here so leave it all on the court or go sit down and let someone else take care of it."
…“as I proceed to do nothing else of value the rest of the game!”
Well he had a bad game
Usually he’s quite the spark off the bench and credit the Laker D for paying more attention to him after he ran circles in the first game.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
I felt the same way
not only are they pros, there grown men
by KobeBryantSlamDunkGiant on Apr 21, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack doing a lot of "Not Shit". I love it.
His only move is to fake on a jumper and then draw contact.
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by Deuce4Mamba on Apr 21, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
heheh
I like Jarrett too. Hard working NBA player. I think he regretted his move, though, because no one backed him up and everybody looked at him like he was the crazy kid with the bad breath. Even Chris Paul gave him the “calm down bro” look and then proceeded to chatter with Kobe.
Dude, I'm dead tired today. Stayed up until about 12:30 to watch the whole game. Had to get up at 5:30.
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by Deuce4Mamba on Apr 21, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Man... same here
When that game went off I sadly looked at the clock and it was midnight thirty and I got sad because I knew I’d be dragging like hell today. Sure enough…
The only thing worse is staying up that late for a game and it ending as a loss.
Then it’s hard to get to sleep with RAGE FACE.
"I want what all men want. I just want it more." - Kobe Bryant
Oh, so true
You end up going into a depressed half slumber
What man was Landry keeping in check??
He was mainly guarding Bynum/Odom and they had Okafor and Grey switching onto Pau when both were in the game. There weren’t many possessions where Pau was being guarded by Landry even when Oke was in foul trouble
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As for where I land on this "problem."
Landry didn’t say shit because Landry did need to get his ass back so that Chris Paul wasn’t trying to get a rebound over the taller Kobe. I hate that our bigs trot up the court on breaks and at times don’t even run. Sorry, that’s a no go especially if you’re down in a game and trying to get back into it. It’s not like this was after Landry had dropped like 20 points, he was in the middle of a rough game too. It was just frustration boiling over. I see no problem at all with what happened. I loved the intensity. What had Jack been doing?? Doesn’t matter if he was 2-6, he had just broken up a fast break hustling back on defense only for his big men to not hustle back to help out the small Chris Paul gather the rebound when they saw Kobe was beating him out front for the reb. They were losing, they weren’t matching his hustle, he let them have it. Take it, play harder, and move along. Can’t take it, BE A MAN and make sure it doesn’t happen again instead of moping on the court.
Should Jack have waited for a timeout? Maybe, but the coach didn’t call one after the foul and at that point it would’ve been a mute point for him to react the way he did. Fuck, I’d be pissed as hell if a fast break ran by DEREK FISHER resulted in something good as well. lol. Especially if it was because of a lack of hustle
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
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by Marty Mart on Apr 21, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I concur
That was a poorly executed transition defense by the Hornets. They showed no will to get back and stop the basket (though I encourage such behavior for future games lol). Monty didn’t call a timeout and Jack was the only one back there trying to play defense while the rest of the gang slowly rolled back. It was Monty’s job to address the issue and when he didn’t call the necessary timeout, it’s only fitting that Jack let the team have it. Doesn’t matter what he did the rest of the game, he’s still one of their key guys and he will cause us problems any time he’s on the floor. Even if he was 2-6, there’s many things the box score fails to show, and Jack is a feisty player who may not rack up a lot of assists or points consistently, but he still gives us headaches with his speed and effort. It’s the playoffs, and if at any time you feel like your team is starting to unwind you do whatever it takes to yank them out of the funk. Sometimes it works and other times it backfires, but it shows a lot of concern and heart on Jack’s part to make his teammates understand the gravity of the situation at hand.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
I also do wish that sometimes, players like Barnes and Blake really get in each other’s face every now and then to remind each other what needs to be done. However for a savvy veteran squad like ours, it’s really not required as they’’ve been through these situations so many times to understand how and when to adjust.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
To be fair
Fast breaks run by Derek Fisher in the playoffs have a very high success rate.
anyone know why Caillou is bald?
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Caillou stands for all children. He doesn’t have curly blond hair, a carrot-top, brown hair, glasses, or ethnic features, because he represents all children. We wanted to make Caillou universal so every child could identify with him. And they do! Caillou’s baldness may make him different, but we hope it’s helping children understand that being different isn’t just okay, it’s normal.
ahh
I see
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"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
Except he's white as shit. Haha.
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LOL exactly what I was thinking.
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some benjamin button type shenanigans
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by bluexfalcon on Apr 21, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I would have just added the point totals from the box scores and realized the Lakers won.
Imagine I gave you the raw box score from last night, but withheld the score, except to tell you there was no blowout… Most likely, you’d think the Lakers lost, right?
Just kidding, wondah! Great “Stray Bullets”!
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True.
Haha.
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cool bullets
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Big Z is mad I called Steve Blake Caillou.

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Haha yeah I don't know if you can say "my childhood" yet.
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by Jevon O on Apr 21, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
ahahahahahahahahaha
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"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
Looks like he discovered something else.
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by SoCalGal on Apr 21, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
o_O
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"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
Pau Gasol is still a legitimate All-Star
He just shoved his head so far up a particular bodily orifice that it’s painfully stuck. Here’s hoping that one of his team-mates pulls him out of that awfully smelly place soon.
I can’t wait til we get our Pau back:

Was very impressed with the way Kobe played Paul
Aside from those two moronic fouls behind the arc and not staying glued to him when he hit that three at the end of the half. Pressured the hell out of him usually with a big blitzing off the pick-and-roll to force him to give up the ball and then denied the hell out of him for the rest of the possession. I can’t remember a sequence in which Paul got the ball back after being forced to give it up at the start of the possession. Kobe is still world class at ball denial and it’s probably his best defensive trait when he’s focused.
But good lord, Pau looks lost out there. Has no clue how to get around or over Landry and can’t realize that Gray has feet stuck in molasses. He’s almost always slow on his rotations on defense and save for some nice rebounding by our wings, we would have gotten wrecked on the defensive glass whenever Bynum left the game.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I was disgusted with that fadeaway Pau took on Landry.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
time for us to turn on him?
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll give him another game
Maybe a change of location and some seafood oughta bring him back to life
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
Ship his ass out
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"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Some punk kid stole a towel from Tyson Chandler ahaha
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
prolly wants to use it himself
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
lmfao
Tyson was ready to throw punches
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
the kid woulda towel-snapped him
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
in the nuts
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
the way he took it
it seemed as if it hurt. he yanked that shit mighty hard lol
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
woulda been funny
if he took it, towel snapped him then threw it back at him ahaha
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
another ron artest moment?
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
cept the fan would be kicking the players ass
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Apr 21, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
huge blow to the mavs
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
the way tyson turned to look...
he was def. ready to punch until he saw it was a fukin spoiled brat.
Good stuff Wondah I enjoy these bullets.
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i speak for everyone when i say this:
kobe sucks, not clutch, cant klose, and no where close to MJ.
Worst job in NBA: guarding Kobe
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i think he was quippin lol
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
KD is hacking SSR accounts, now?
"The game wasn't coming to me, so I just took it" - Kobe Bean Bryant.
by Saurav A. Das on Apr 22, 2011 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Kinda O/T but interesting Read
Looks like Kobe and Pau are not the only smartasses on the team.
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Is it heresy to suggest that if Pau keeps this up...
He spend more time with the 2nd unit? Actuarial’s breakdown from a while back, seems to show this may be an effective fit.
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by Joshua S on Apr 21, 2011 12:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
If this were already the Finals, maybe.
Still a lot of games to hopefully be played, and we need Pau to regain form.
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It doesn't hurt in trying it out
I mean LO already won SMOTY so have him replace Pau in the starting lineup and see how the 2nd unit runs with Pau anchoring. I think it will be profitable since the focus would be to get the ball into the post and Pau would have more responsibility in leading that 2nd unit.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
He actually has the last two games
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
TRADE KOBY FOR LUTHER HEAD!!!! (it's a movement)
KOBY BRAYNT isn't bi-polar, he's #Bi-WINNING
I would be willing to bet Pau is hurt again.
He trots up and down the floor and does not use his base to maintain position. It might be his back this time or the weak legs again.
Great stuff wondah!
Kobe was excellent on defense last night, and yet Pau still continues to confound us with his lethargic play. One play that really highlighted that for me was when Odom grabbed the ball and ran all the way down court and scored, while Pau was trotting back. TROTTING. I really hope he snaps out of his funk by Game 3.
I think as long as Lamar Odom and Bynum keep getting the ball down low
we can’t be stopped in the long run. At this point Kobe needs to play backseat to Bynum and Odom and then turn it on in the clutch like he did last night…
SOOOOO Me, Cam, Ron, Jerry and Hurney are going to drink some Cammy Cam Juice.. who's coming?
the weak link
Gasol continues to show that when the going gets tough, he goes packing. This article shows statistically how he’s shied away from some of the Lakers’ biggest games: http://chasing23.com/2011/01/why-laker-fan-should-be-concerned/

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