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No good comes from analyzing Kobe Bryant's assists

 
I wasn't particularly happy with Kobe Bryant's game in yesterday's victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves, 90-79.  My criticisms of the Mamba would fall right in line with the usual talking points ... not doing a great job of involving teammates, taking shots that were more difficult than they needed to be, lazy defense against the one player on the other team who was playing really well, all the normal stuff.  But his line on the night was hardly terrible.  24 points on 18 shots with 45% shooting, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 turnovers.  As Kobe goes, it's a decidedly "meh" stat line, but also nowhere near disastrous.  His slow shooting performance gradually improved in the 2nd half, but overall, it was not one of his best efforts.

Instinct tells me that this was a game in which Kobe Bryant very well could have hurt his team's offensive performance, but the stats don't really bear that out.  After all, 18 shot attempts is less than his season average, he shot a decent percentage for a perimeter player, and his assist total (3) is on the low end of average for him, not great, but also well within the margin of expectation for a guy who averages roughly 5 assists per game.  However, if we remove Kobe from the equation, or more appropriately, overlook him, we know the overall offensive performance was terrible, and I think Kobe deserves a lion's share of the blame for it.  For all the times we've seen stats used to paint Kobe in an overly negative light, here is the rare counter.  Kobe's stats weren't too bad, and yet I'm making the argument that his play was that bad.

The whole thing got me thinking about how we measure Kobe's performance statistically in the first place.  For years, people have used Kobe's relatively low assist totals compared to his peers as a measuring stick for how selfish he is and how he sometimes hurts his team offensively by failing to utilize his teammates.  Laker Nation counters with talk of how the Triangle limits a player's assists by involving the entire team within the offense.  But has anybody actually looked at whether Kobe's assists have anything to do with his team's success?  Well, I did.  And near as I can tell, you can tell absolutely nothing about the Lakers offensive performance, or overall success, by looking at how many assists Kobe Bryant gets in a game.

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The Los Angeles Lakers have now played 62 games this season.  Kobe Bryant has averaged 4.9 assists/game so far.  He has been above that average (5 assists or more) exactly 1/2 the time, 31 times on the season, which means 31 times he has been below the average (4 assists or less).  Meanwhile, the Lakers have an average Offensive Rating (Note: Offensive Rating, or OR, and Points per Possession, or PPP, are used interchangeably in this piece; OR is simply PPP multiplied by 100) of 111.7.  They have performed above that average 34 times and below it 28 times.  If you compare the two categories, you can quickly determine that there seems to be little to no relationship between the two.  Here's a scatter graph that shows the relationship, or lack thereof.

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The two lines are Kobe's assists per game average, and the Lakers average offensive rating on the season, separating the graph into 4 quadrants.  As you can see, the distribution is quite balanced.  Of the 31 times Kobe has had a low assist total, his team has been above their average PPP 16 times and below their average PPP 15 times.  When Kobe has a high assist total, the team comes in below their average 13 times, and above the average 18 times.  So, we can see that a high assist total has marginally improved offensive performance, while a low assist total makes no difference at all.  But look at what happens when we attach the team's overall record to the data points in each quadrant.  Looking at this another way, here is a segmented table of the relationship between Kobe's assists and the Lakers average PPP.

Kobe's assists per game Lakers PPP
0-3 1.11
4-7 1.12
8+ 1.18

So, when Kobe has 8 or more assists, the team seems to have significantly higher offensive performance, but there is hardly any difference in the offensive performance of the team when he has few assists vs when he has an average number of assists.  Furthermore, the sample size of that 8+ assist category is considerably less than the other two categories, and thus less reliable, something which I will illustrate even further in a bit.

OK, so we know that the Lakers perform more or less the same offensively whether or not Kobe is racking up the assists.  But what about the argument that the team just doesn't perform as well overall when Kobe is dominating the ball?  By virtue of the fact that Kobe is one of the more skilled, talented players in the history of the game, its clear that he can lead the team to a strong offensive performance even if he isn't involving his teammates as much as he should, but will the team be as locked in defensively, or perform well when needed in big moments later in the game?  To find out, let's attach records to the data points in each overall quadrant.

Q1 (Low Ast, Low OR) 15 6-9
Q2 (High Ast, Low OR) 13 6-7
Q3 (Low Ast, High OR) 16 16-0
Q4 (High Ast, High OR) 18 15-3
 

From this table, we can see that whether the Lakers play well on offense or not is massively important to determining their overall success.  They are 31-3 when scoring better than 1.117 PPP on the season, and 12-16 when they fail to do so.  We can also see that Kobe's ability to garner assists has absolutely no bearing on wins and losses.  In games in which the Lakers don't score well, the team is 6-9 when Kobe doesn't have very many assists, and 6-7 when he does have a large number of assists.  When the team does do well offensively, they are 15-3 when Kobe has a lot of assists, and 16-0 when he doesn't.  That last bit is pretty shocking ... The Lakers have 16 wins and zero losses in games in which they score well despite getting very few assists from Kobe Bryant.  Insomuch as we can trust these data sets which, due to relatively small sample size and random definition of low vs. high assist totals, are certainly not flawless, this point absolutely destroys the concept that the Laker team needs Kobe to get assists in order for them to perform strongly.

But we've already seen that the more assists Kobe gets, the higher the PPP, right?  The Lakers' PPP shoots up when Kobe has 8 or more assists, remember?  Well here is where shit gets weird.  Let's attach the team's record to that previous table.

Kobe's assists per game Lakers PPP Record
0-3 1.11 11-7
4-7 1.12 28-9
8+ 1.18 4-3

The fact that there are only 7 games this season in which Kobe has 8 assists or more means we shouldn't take too much away from this relationship, but how strange is that?  Keep in mind, the Lakers have only lost three games all season in which they performed above their offensive season average, and two of those games were games in which Kobe tallied double digit assists.  Could it be possible that a high assist total for Kobe is just as indicative (or even ... gasp ... more indicative) of a problem with the offense than a low assist total is?  Probably not.  It's probably just a fluke caused by a small sample size.  However, the numbers do indicate that Kobe's assist totals have little to no bearing on the team's overall performance.

Ironically, the message behind this whole argument is one that is perfectly valid, at least in my opinion.  I do think it is a bad thing when the offense runs entirely through Kobe.  I do think the team's performance often suffers, both offensively and defensively, in games in which Kobe takes over.  I think there is sometimes a combination of relaxation and resignation in Kobe's teammates when they see that look in his eye.  I strongly believe the Lakers are at their best when Kobe is but one very talented cog in the very talented engine that is the Lakers offense, and there are times, even today, when he fails to recognize the importance of that relationship.  The Lakers need Kobe to be a willing passer in order for the offense to run smoothly.  For Kobe to dominate the ball in the Laker offense more than a couple minutes at a time is a bad thing.

If the argument is valid, the only conclusion we can reach is that the method for analyzing the argument is not.  Assists are the problem.  Specifically, Kobe's individual assist totals pretty clearly tell us nothing about his team's offensive performance, nor does it tell us anything about the team's overall performance.  Since we can all observe that Kobe's willingness to be a part of the offensive system is important, we can therefore deduce that assists do not measure that willingness in any meaningful way.

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Thank you. Been saying this for years.
Since we can all observe that Kobe’s willingness to be a part of the offensive system is important, we can therefore deduce that assists do not measure that willingness in any meaningful way.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 2, 2011 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

i think that also

in some (or even many) of the games kobe has not had as many assists, that it’s due to it being a blowout and him resting extended stretches (such as the fourth quarter) and therefore doesn’t get the minutes and opportunities to generate assists (and/or points)

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by LOOOeee on Mar 2, 2011 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

Nice work Chris

Just to add some additional information…

I quickly calculated the correllation between Kobe’s assists and the team winning and the results is -0.036 this season. I also did it for last season as well and the result was 0.093.

Basically those two numbers justify your claim that his assists tell us nothing abou the Lakers as they are both very close to zero.

by Actuarially Sound on Mar 2, 2011 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

additionally....

additionally… I also took a look at the deference between Kobe’s assists and his average assists over the year and it did yield a stronger -0.22 correllation.

This implies that when Kobe’s assists are quite a bit different (either higher or lower) that the Lakers do not win as often. This may be evidence that the Lakers are best when Kobe blends his role as a facilitator and a scorer but not simply one or the other.

That being said, when I extended the same analysis to prior seasons the correllation moves back closer to zero so this season’s result may be due to small sample size more than anything else.

by Actuarially Sound on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting . . .

I think you’re probably right when you say that means Kobe is blending his roles:

Few assists means that Kobe is trying to do it all by himself, for whatever reason.

Many assists seems a little harder to explain, because Kobe will pretty much never NOT shoot the ball if that is what he needs to do. In other words . . . while he has been known to shoot his team out of games, he never passes his team out of games.

A possible explanation is that teams take the strategy of shutting down Kobe and forcing his teammates to win. If it works and no one picks up the slack, Kobe is forced from double and triple teams to pass all game and the Lakers lose. If it doesn’t work, they abandon that strategy and Kobe ends up getting his points and not racking as many assists.

by LAMojo on Mar 2, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

So, is your last paragraph really explaining your second sentence?

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by SoCalGal on Mar 2, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this indicates even futher a possibility that I hinted at in the article

What if its not in the team’s best interest for Kobe to have high assist totals?

We all know the Lakers are at their best when the Kobe is a willing participant in the offense, and we know the offense is predicated on spreading things around so defenses can’t key in on one specific thing. Everybody points to Kobe’s high volume shooting and low assist totals as evidence of ball domination which is bad, but if Kobe is getting high assist totals, that can just as easily be an indication of his ball domination as high shooting numbers. My numbers don’t exactly bare that out, but I could definitely see it being a possibility that a 10+ assist game from Kobe being as indicative of the team offense not working properly as a 25+ shot game can be.

by C.A. Clark on Mar 2, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, that's pretty much what I was going to say.

Having 10+ asts in every game, and shooting the most shots by a clear margin on the team screams just as much ball domination and just shooting the most shots in and of itself

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by Marty Mart on Mar 2, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never really had a problem with Kobe dominating the ball, as long as he makes good decisions and works within the offense.

If he gets good looks he needs to take the shot, and he is often as his best when breaking down the defense and dishing to the open man. Doing these things can take up a lot of possessions and generate a lot of assists, but it is still to the Lakers’ benefit.

It’s when Kobe’s ball domination leads to isos and long jumpers that the Lakers struggle.

by LAMojo on Mar 2, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying ball domination is bad

just saying that it’s funny that ball domination that ends in shot is seen as bad, whereas ball domination that leads in an ast is good. Like the people who try to point out Kobe having 1 ast while having high point totals. I find that to be a worthless argument because he was scoring effectively. Why would you go away from that? They don’t at any level of basketball

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by Marty Mart on Mar 2, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Get Chris Paul and tell him to dominate the ball for us

/solution

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by Ben R on Mar 2, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

lmao

yep, you know he’s not going to shoot a lot anymore, but he sure will play within the offense

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by Marty Mart on Mar 3, 2011 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

man c.a.! with you,dex, actuarially sound....

ive seen, and been on numerous laker sites, but screen and roll is by far the best laker site ive been on well…ever! nobody gets in depth like you guys, its like your actually “there” you know what i mean? just great writers here. no ther place compares!

sorry to get off topic here, but, when kobe does get his teamates involved, the lakers are unstoppable. but since the ball generally does go through him pretty much every play, then i guess it might look like hes selfish, and im pretty sure he trusts his teamates more now, with back to back championships, then in the past. maybe he just gets lazy? sounds dumb yes, but im just saying.

by Mark Jaramillo on Mar 2, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Great article CA

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Mar 2, 2011 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

nice article

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by _logan_ on Mar 2, 2011 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

Part of what hurt's Kobe's PER, etc

In advanaced metrics, seems to be the value placed on assists. Obviously other things come into play, such as efg%, rebounds, turnovers, etc.

Great piece, I thoroughly enjoyed your observations. How nice would it be to do this over the last 10 years?

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by 99bc99 on Mar 2, 2011 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Well, over the past few years won't help..

The past decade has seen Kobe with multiple kinds of teammates. I’m pretty sure comparing this year’s numbers with a team that include Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Artest and so on would show much different results than say an ’05-06 team that saw Kobe teamed with Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, and Smush Parker..

It’ll make more sense if you could break it up into eras or something. Pre-Phil, Phil’s first stint, post-Shaq, Gasol. that would make the results a lot more interesting..

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by bengalithugg13 on Mar 2, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

This is probably one of the most if not the most insightful laker blogs out there. Great job guys, it’s always a pleasure reading

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by Hdg23 on Mar 2, 2011 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

this is why i dont read ESPN articles anymore.

SSR fucking beats them by a long shot.
nice article!

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by purple_gold on Mar 2, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Everytime I glance at that pic, it cracks me up...

…Johnson is looking right at the Camera at the perfect time…. His face is priceless, too… He has a “wanna get away?” look on his face… I don’t blame him..

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by Hensi24 on Mar 2, 2011 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

They say everyday is a school day, you def took me to school CA

I gotta say that Kobes game is really hard to dissect by looking at purely stats which you just proved. Its sexier to make the argument that he is a ball hog just because he shot too much without actually looking deeply into it. Good work…well written too

by lakergirl on Mar 2, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

Done with lurking

Ever since Josh Tucker took his talents to this site from his old one (which I can’t remember), I’ve always been impressed by this site. It is a good balance between the old LA Times blog that the Brothers K used to run, and the super-serious tone of FB&G. So here we go.

The analysis here is very interesting, but of course, assists in themselves are difficult indicators of Kobe’s involvement. “Hockey assists” and should-have-been assists (resulting in fouls, or missed shots in themselves) are unfortunately not statistically definable. The Laker win-loss record on the 4-7 assists thing was a revelation, though.

Kobe far and away is my favorite player of all time. So red flags do pop up on criticisms, no matter how valid. But of course, I do get frustrated with him isolating, backing up from 20 feet to launch contested jumpers. Or jawing at the refs. Or him freelancing on defense too much.

There were times when I asked myself why he couldn’t play the way Magic did, racking up 10+ assists and being “unselfish”. But he’s a different player. And assists do not necessarily translate to “involving your teammates”. Would be great, but as this article shows, not necessarily translated to improved offensive performance.

by mr suave on Mar 2, 2011 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

It was respectkobe.com

and welcome to SS&R

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 2, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

welcome to SSR

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by gen!e on Mar 2, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not the shampoo...

It’s a Filipino rock song about mustachioed ladies’ men. And thanks!

by mr suave on Mar 2, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

from parokya ni edgar?

pretty neat song

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by crushmybones on Mar 2, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

welcome!

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 2, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by BrittneyM on Mar 2, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else think people are overrating Chicago?

Ive been watching their games alot closer the past month and a half and even with Noah and Boozer in the lineup together, they rely way too much on Rose against the better defensive teams. Take for example the game against Atlanta today. It was Rose or bust for the whole game and nobody stepped up in his stead and he burned out in the 4th quarter. I think they’re second round and out for sure if they play Miami or Boston.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 2, 2011 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

Are you saying Atlanta is a better defensive team?

I think the bulls got tired of playing after a while there. I have been watching them and they are way better than they showed today. They relied heavily at the end on Rose today and he just didnt have it

by lakergirl on Mar 2, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they'll rely too much on Rose in the playoffs though

If they play Boston or Miami, that style isnt gonna work.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 2, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

rose 5-21 wow that is not...efficient

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by Tkuang on Mar 2, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Thunder just lost Durant this game

to a leg injury. Those damn legs in OKC. lol.

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by Marty Mart on Mar 2, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

first parker now durant...

hmm i think dirk already used up his injury for the season

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by lakerdynasty on Mar 2, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of BaB is complaining that Rose's general recognition skills were poor

And that he didn’t establish any kind of rhythm, particularly seeing that Josh Smith was out and Boozer should have gotten the ball a whole lot more. That said, give some credit to Atlanta, as they can hang with anyone if they put their minds to it, especially after getting Hinrich solved their defensive issues at the point. No way they win that game with Bibby trying to check Rose.

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by Ben R on Mar 2, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Do yourselves a favor.

Don’t become a Cavs fan. It’s not worth it. You can never trust their ability to get the job done.

I hope we get Harrison Barnes someday. He kicks total ass.

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by WaveOcean on Mar 2, 2011 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

You're probably not getting Barnes

For your first pick (at least top four), your priority will probably go something like 1) Kyrie Irving 2) Perry Jones 3) Jared Sullinger 4) Derrick Williams.

The second one (probably around eighth), will likely be one of the foreign players (Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesely, or Donatas Motiejunas) or someone like Jordan Hamilton or John Henson.

Barnes, if he declares (which is an open question; there’s a fair chance he and Irving stay at school), would likely go somewhere in between that range (fifth or sixth).

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by Ben R on Mar 2, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

well you know I love Kobe's game

they say tomoto and I say tomato so you can basically trash Kobe and I don’t give a you know what cause dude flatout gives EFFORT from the start of the game to the end of the game and thats what you want, players that don’t give up when things ain’t going their way so give me Kobe’s game everyday

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by BrittneyM on Mar 2, 2011 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

lol

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

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by BrittneyM on Mar 2, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe is completely killing the Lakers' offense...

trade him now for Luther Head or Ramon Sessions!!

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by lakerdynasty on Mar 2, 2011 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

But the stats don't lie!

You are afraid of the stats! You are like denying science and progress by denying the stats!

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by Gil Meriken on Mar 2, 2011 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

Shit, Denver beat Charlotte by 40, 120-80.

Think the Bobcats are gonna be pissed the rest of this week?

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by SoCalGal on Mar 2, 2011 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

i think they save there energy all year just to go crazy on the Lakers...

MJ has them do this in order to stop Kobe from overshadowing him

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by lakerdynasty on Mar 2, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

oop *their*

grammar fail

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by lakerdynasty on Mar 2, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

they ain't winning the championship so I guess they need to suck it up now

they gonna be losers the rest of the way, embrace it Bobcats

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by BrittneyM on Mar 2, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really

they traded their best perimeter defender and their best big man in Nazr. I don’t expect them to be too great. They’ve committed fully to rebuilding. I commend Jordan for doing it, too many owners aren’t willing when they at least make the playoffs.

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by Marty Mart on Mar 2, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still thinking they're gonna come out extra hard on Friday against us, since they're in our heads already as it is.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 2, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still befuddled as to why they cut Derrick Brown

If you want to run now, having an athletic guy who can finish in transition is a pretty good thing to have.

But yeah, props to Jordan for realizing he needed to blow up the team, although I’m surprised he couldn’t unload one of his bad contracts (Najera/Carroll) in the Wallace deal.

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by Ben R on Mar 2, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 3, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

at this point, their expectations for the rest of the season are probably fairly low

so nope

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 3, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

great article CA

damn i love how were doing all these charts that are so easy to understand!
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by crushmybones on Mar 2, 2011 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

I don't have a problem with Kobe passing or not passing really

I just want him to 1) cut down the turnovers: no need for extravagant passes in traffic or losing the ball when he’s getting tunnel vision in an isolation, and he could do a bit better at more seamlessly transitioning between “distributor Kobe” and “get his Kobe” — if the guy plays you for the pass in the start of the game, which has become the norm more and more nowadays, shoot the damn ball 2) play off the ball more: by far the best possession I remember from Kobe in the last couple weeks was his clinching bucket in Portland OT in which he was fed the ball off the elbow from the post while in motion and had a really easy shot with the defender lagging behind him; he doesn’t have turn into Rip Hamilton and start running his ass off screens, but forcing the defense to account for him in motion without the ball will not only make life easier on everyone else but get him easier looks.

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by Ben R on Mar 2, 2011 10:23 PM PST reply actions  

great point

Great point – given that Kobe can finish on any type of offensive situation, it’s when he gets the ball while in motion, with the defense scrambling, that he is most effective. He doesn’t have to be Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen, but one ideal situation in my eyes is precise running of the offense with Kobe as the receiver of the last pass when the defense is beat.

The sample size may be too low, but I wonder about the Lakers’ record when the team assist total is high, Kobe’s assist total is average, and a lot of the assists were because he scored after a good pass.

by mr. shrimp on Mar 4, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Toney Douglas, G | 32 min. | 10-13 FGM-A | 4-6 3PM-A | 0-0 FTM-A | 0 ORB | 4 DRB | 4 TRB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 2 PF | +13 | 24 PTS

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310302018

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by Ben R on Mar 2, 2011 10:28 PM PST reply actions  

PJ wouldn't have let him play anyway....

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by Hensi24 on Mar 3, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Douglas was very polished for a rookie

Given how awful Farmar was that year, I’m fairly confident Douglas would have beat him out for the minutes at backup point.

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by Ben R on Mar 3, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Fisher mentioned this after game 7 2010 finals in an interview

something to the tune of… Kobe isn’t going to get the numbers that a Lebron or whoever gets because the Lakers run the triangle. Its not give the ball to Kobe and run the pick and roll and have him do w/e.

Having said that, it does seem like he tries to get his points sometimes when he’s at like 15 or something. I’m pretty sure he’ll make awesome decisions in the playoffs. Hopefully.

by heinzketchup on Mar 3, 2011 3:05 AM PST reply actions  

Trust is Kobe's real issue

“For Kobe to dominate the ball in the Laker offense more than a couple minutes at a time is a bad thing.”

It is a bad thing if Kobe believes that him taking a poor shot is better than someone else taking an average shot. We see the effect during most end game situations. When Kobe is played man-up, he will shoot 99% of the time, no matter the quality of the shot. When he is doubled he MIGHT pass the ball rather than put up a prayer. So hoping for the forced shot, a late double is most teams strategy. To counter, Kobe goes deeper in the corner, making the pass-out even tougher. But this limits Kobe’s shot options and allows the defender to stay on Kobe’s shooting hand. Hence the late game block by Pierce in the 2008 finals.

This strategy will be employed by all teams during the playoffs, I hope Kobe trusts his mates to make a few key shots. When he starts out front elbow to elbow, he is willing to pass, when he starts lower, he rarely passes. So we can read Kobe’s trust factor based on where he starts with the ball. Also it might help to design a few options for Kobe to pass out of the corner early in the shot clock and disrupt the defense’s tendencies.

by SkyHooker on Mar 3, 2011 8:25 AM PST reply actions  

It would also help if his teammates start making those key shots more often. That'll go a long way towards building trust.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 3, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree it would help, but....

I would rather lose a game were Kobe allowed the other guys to shoot 15-45, rather than him shooting 10-30. Because that will stop the Kobe gazing and force his mates to keep playing. At some point Kobe has to realize that carrying the team is only a temporary fix and that forcing his mates to get it going is better long-term, even for him.

by SkyHooker on Mar 3, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

The end goal is to win games as well,

if they’re not scoring or hitting shots, it’s against a competitive person’s nature to not try everything to win. So going down shooting is what Kobe does. The only time that is bad is when others are shooting well and he goes away from them

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by Marty Mart on Mar 3, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I always come here to read up and load up on ammo so i can make great points and arguments on other web sites. great read.

by chris z on Mar 3, 2011 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 3, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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