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Boarding School: How the Lakers Got Killed on the Defensive Glass

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One of the great mysteries surrounding the 2010-11 Lakers is why they're not a better defensive rebounding team. It doesn't make a ton of sense, as they were just fine on the defensive glass last year. In terms of defensive rebounding rate, meaning the portion of their opponents' missed shots that they recovered, the Lakers ranked ninth in the NBA in 2009-10. This season they've sunk to 19th, and unless you think Jordan Farmar was the key to controlling the defensive boards, there aren't any personnel changes to account for the slippage. Granted, Andrew Bynum has missed some games, but he missed games last year too.

On Thursday night, the Lakers' weakness on the defensive boards was gruesomely apparent. The Miami Heat chased down 42% of their own misses and scored 21 second-chance points, the most by any Laker opponent since late November. The champs improved on the defensive glass in the second half of the game, but the improvement was from "atrociously horrible" to "merely bad." And much though we naturally tend to focus on what happens at the end of games, the first half counts just as much as the second.

Star-divide

To figure out exactly what the problems were, I rewatched and broke down every play that resulted in an offensive board for the Heat. Was it the most fun way to spend a Thursday evening? No, but I needed an idea for post and I had some time to kill before your mom got off her shift at Arby's, so I figured what the hell.

If you include "team offensive rebounds" - which occur when dudes are fighting for a board and a defensive player knocks it out of bounds, or when a defensive player is called for a loose-ball foul - the Heat last night pulled in 20 offensive rebounds total. These I divided up into the following five buckets.

  • Poor Boxout/Outworked: Just what it sounds like. A Laker was in a spot where he should've been able to collect the board, but he failed to do so because a Heat player outfought him for the ball.
  • Out of Position Because of Help Defense: The typical sequence goes like this. Dwayne Wade, say, blows by whoever's guarding him on the perimeter and drives toward the lane. As Wade pulls up at the free-throw line for a jump shot, Pau Gasol flashes toward him to contest. Wade misses the shot, but because he drew Gasol away from the rim, there's no one to box out Chris Bosh, who collects the rebound and drops it back in.
  • Ball-Watching: Let's say the Heat are running a halfcourt set from the left side. Mike Miller is in the opposite corner, guarded by Matt Barnes. As LeBron James drives toward the left baseline and pulls up for a midrange J, Miller cuts toward the basket to establish rebounding position. Barnes, however, is watching LeBron and loses track of Miller, who gets inside his defender for the tip-in.
  • Assignment Confusion: Occasionally the Laker bigs lose track of who's guarding whom. Like, if there's a down-screen near the basket, one defender might think they should switch while the other doesn't, and as a result two guys end up guarding the same dude and zero guys end up guarding someone else. That someone else can then slide in for an offensive board without anyone checking him.
  • Other: And sometimes you do everything right, and the ball just takes a weird bounce out to your opponent. It happens.

Make sense? Of course it does. With that in mind, here's how Miami's 20 offensive boards last night break down.        

 

Offensive Rebounds

Poor boxout/outworked................................

7

Out of position because of help D.................

6

Ball-watching..............................................

4

Assignment confusion.................................

2

Other..........................................................

1

Blame for the first category falls mostly on the Laker bigs. Gasol in particular was too often either muscled aside by a Heat big man or just too slow jumping for the ball. Bynum was OK in the first half and quite good in the second.

The second category reflects more on the Laker guards and wing defenders. Both last night and on Christmas Day, the Lakers struggled to contain dribble penetration. As a result, Gasol and Bynum often had to leave their posts, so to speak, to help check ballhandlers. Of the perimeter guys, Artest was the least at fault yesterday. He had the toughest assignment, guarding LeBron James, and carried it out decently enough. Kobe Bryant's on-ball D also wasn't terrible. But Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Shannon Brown and Matt Barnes all had difficulty staying in front of their men.

Barnes and Brown were the guiltiest when it came to ball-watching. That's how Miller hurt the Lakers on the boards in the second period. On several occasions, he would start cutting to the hoop before the shot was even up, and by the time his man regained sight of him, it was too late.

There are a couple things about this that I find instructive. One is that when we're talking about the Lakers' defensive rebounding problem, we're actually talking about several different problems that manifest themselves in bad rebounding results. Some of it is physical: Pau has to fight harder for missed shots than he did last night. Some of it is mental: Barnes needs to maintain focus on his man, even when he's away from the main action. And some of it has to do with communication on the floor, as when botched assignments leave an opponent open under the hoop for an easy tip-in.

Also, blame for crap rebounding shouldn't land solely on the bigs. Frequently, a put-back score is just the last event in a five- or six-step defensive breakdown that began with poor dribble containment. Almost a third of the Heat's offensive boards last night were of this variety.

Basically, there are a lot of different ways to suck at rebounding. In Miami, the Lakers demonstrated just about all of them.

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LOL

. Was it the most fun way to spend a Thursday evening? No, but I needed an idea for post and I had some time to kill before your mom got off her shift at Arby’s, so I figured what the hell

Off to read rest of the post :)

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

Dex, I am disappoint.
Dwayne Wade

Interesting analysis, but I have to ask how Andrew was OK in the first half when he had one rebound, total. He was good for 11 in the second, but the first, not so much.

Pau and LO combining for 10 rebounds all game is just ridiculous. Shit, even Ron had 9 by himself.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

Out of position, just like Dex said.

Contesting shots and no one rotated.

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's basically it

I went through each offensive rebound that Miami got and asked, “Who’s at fault here?” In the first half, it was hardly ever Drew. Either he had been taken out of the play because he was (correctly) helping out on dribble penetration, or the ball bounced away from him toward another Laker player (usually Pau) who should’ve collected it.

So even though I get how you’d look at the 1st half box score, see that Bynum had only one rebound and say he should’ve had more, when I looked at the action play by play, there was maybe only one Miami miss where I concluded, “Drew should’ve had that.”

Also, my piece only looked at the Lakers’ defensive rebounding. You could fairly argue that Drew should’ve had more offensive boards, but I didn’t do that analysis.

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by DexterFishmore on Mar 11, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Miami came out and wanted it more, they get paid too and they played better that night and deserved to win.

Rebounding im sure was point of emphasis #1 in their game plan, so they just came out and executed. Something weve become accustomed to seeing The Lakers do it to others, still only one bad game.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

THIS

Excellent post there Dex. Everyone automatically sees the box score and when our bigs don’t have rebounds “STEP IT UP!”

Lamar Odom was a rebounding machine last year, and earlier this year as well. What happened? Our bench has no rebounding presence and that is where a guy like Ratliff or Smith could help. Also, for a guy with ridiculous bounce and great athleticism, Shannon Brown doesn’t rebound well.

It feels like we have the worst rebounding PG rotation in the League lol

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

Lamar Odom was a rebounding machine last year, and earlier this year as well. What happened? Our bench has no rebounding presence and that is where a guy like Ratliff or Smith could help. Also, for a guy with ridiculous bounce and great athleticism, Shannon Brown doesn’t rebound well.

You know that were 7th in defensive rebounding right? One bad game.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

But we're 19th in defensive rebounding rate.

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by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

yea, what LakerAce said

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

rate>total

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Someone explain how the rate is measured please.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Very good write-up Dex

Our height is not an advantage when we dont use it to rebound. The lakers know that but why they dont fight for rebounds is really beyond me. Rebounding is effort. Our bigs need to bring that extra effort

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

No kidding. Ugh!

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Just watch the last six minutes of the 4Q. That'll definitely do the trick.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers lost?

A tsunami happened??

What a crazy world.

Moment of silence for those hurt and killed by the earthquake and tsunami.

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by Koshu on Mar 11, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

. . . and for the Lakers' rebounding.

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by Koshu on Mar 11, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

glad to hear you're alright!

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by imposibol on Mar 11, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks!

How were the effects in the Philippines??

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by Koshu on Mar 11, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

We are good, thank God. The news people were reporting 73 cm waves. LOL

and Japan. Wow. I thought I’d only see that in the movies. Gotta pray for their swift recovery.

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by imposibol on Mar 11, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Our nation football team (Phil. Azkals) are also in Japan right now.

Glad they’re safe as well. But I heard the earth is still shaking there at the moment.

Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?

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by domz on Mar 11, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Koshu

もしかして日本人?昨日の負けで結構落ち込んでたけど、今朝覚めてすごい心配ばかりで=(

by FromDowntown on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

whoa....

subliminal messages ftw

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Hai. Very unfortunate.

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"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")

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by Koshu on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I blame this one on our poor bench play and lack of rebounds.

it seemed that the laker bench could not sustain a 2 point lead or even play defense yesterday. To top it all off, there was hundreds of times i saw 3 lakers standing underneath the basket waiting for the rebound just to have some heat player come and snatch it up. Than there was Kobe’s clutch play or lack there of in the final minutes. As much as i want to harp on him for taking that ill advised 30 footer with 23 seconds on the clock, and not taking care of the rock, i can’t help but think if someone else would of stepped up, than kobe wouldn’t of had to go all 1 on 5 mode. i really wanted this win yesterday but fuck it. on to the next one i guess. oh, and has anyone seen Lamar Odom lately. he was a pinnacle of the Lakers’ success in the early season but has pulled another disappearing act once again. Sorry guys… I’m just venting.

if kobe keeps passing people up on the all time scoring list... i'm going to have to keep changing my sig!

by lakerdynasty on Mar 11, 2011 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

Great article
No rebounds, no rings

Pat Riley

Tim Duncan wins championships. Vince Carters fills the arenas.
Kobe Bryant does both.

The ideal way to win a championship is step by step.
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by imposibol on Mar 11, 2011 10:34 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I still think the guy that causes trouble for us

Is Big Z. He’s so fucking huge, he seems like he plays our bigs to a standstill going back to last year.

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

SMH

Yeah that’s exactly why we’ve been swept by the Heat. It’s Zydrunas Ilgauskus. That guy has just killed us this season. Not LeBron. Not Wade. Not Bosh. But Big Z. Shall we double team him if we were to meet in the finals?

Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.

by RA37thriller on Mar 11, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget that Kobe sucks.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Ship his ass out

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

no

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

im sayin that he's made our bigs not be as dominate

thats a key factor to us beating good teams dude. Of course the other 3 guys were the main key but I still think we can beat them if those 3 are playing well AND our bigs guys are dominating theirs. You get it now?

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

if you knew basketball you can actually see how much Big Z

affects the game when he’s out there guarding the paint and guarding our bigs.

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't start denigrating peoples' basketball knowledge, okay?

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

lol well the dude was acting like im an idiot

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Come on Des, dont get all sensitive on us...

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

lol im just sayin

i was just making a point and he acted like i was talking out my ass

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats not an anomaly with you no?

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

if i talk out my ass

i usally say i am

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh ok..lol

I’ll remember that next time

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Just because he disagrees with you, or dismisses your opinion, doesn't mean he knows nothing about basketball.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

how much Big Z

affects the game when he’s out there guarding the paint and guarding our bigs.

Big-Z doesnt guard anything, ever.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

uhhh his huge frame kind of disrupts our bigs

you havent noticed that? Ben R made a note about this in the post game recap yesterday

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Ben R made a note about this in the post game recap yesterday

Whos Ben R. and why would i care?

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

fight fight fight!!!!

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

because he backs up my point

and he actually knows basketball. You dont have to care but dont act like Im talking out my ass

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok i can name a random person and have that random person back my argument too. Watch.

Hey i know this guy Jacob P. and he really doesnt think Big Z impacts the game. He said so on the other Lakers blog.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Come on guys...let it go

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

lol this guy is the one talking out his ass

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

actually im not talking at all. Im typing words on a keyboard as are you, so calm down take a deep breathe and relax.

Its the internet. Dont take it too seriously.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

this guy....

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Whats wrong with what were doing? This is a blog, and there are going to be conflicting arguments. It happens.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright dude, lets just agree to disagree then

But I stand by my points and I bet theres alot of other people who agree with me. Maybe theres some who agree with you and thats cool. But it wont change my mind

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

wtf is your problem

okay let me someone back up your smart points then

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

and I'm not saying Z shuts our guys down

Just that he doesnt let them completely dominate him like our bigs tend to do against virtually everyone else

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ehh he only played 24 mins, had 3 rebounds, 1 blk, and made 2 shots.

I really dont think he impacted the game as much as you make it seem.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

True, his stats arent great

but defense is more than stats. Because the guy is 7’3, just his mere presense disrupts both our bigs and guys who drive down the lane. Kinda how we talk about Bynum and just having his presense. Both those guys change lots of shots by just being out there, and that doesnt show up in the stats.

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Theres a difference between being big, and being a big softy. We should know that because of the whole “Pau is soft thing”.

When teams/payers play The Lakers they know that Drew is going to be a force defensively. Not JUST because of his size, but because of his jumping ability, long arms, willingness to play defense, and his role on the team is that.

When yo play Miami how many people come to mind before Big Z? A lot.
Your not worried about him defensively for the same reason that your not afraid of Rons offense, its not part of his game. He has never once in his life played defense, so players attack the basket, and play as if hes not their.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone hwo plays ball at the park/gym knows what i mean. Theres always that really big guy who looks like a beast, but then you start playing and hes the worst one on the court.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I get you but still

Just watch real closely what happens when Big Z is out there guarding Andrew or Pau. Of course, a few times they’ll score on him just because he’s so damn old and slow but alot of times, they arent able to grab offensive or even defensive boards over him because he’s huge. Im not sayin you gotta have a huge gameplan for him (although we should involve him in more pick and rolls) but if the guy is out there, our bigs arent gonna completely dominate him like they would against say, Joel Anthony.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Even Nazr Mohhamed

Damn, he’s a Thunder

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by domz on Mar 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

Although in the first half yesterday, Bynum didnt have any rebound and Z played alot of that first half. But that was probably because he banged knees.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And because Bynum wasn't thinking about rebounds

Bynums issue is mental, like Paus. But once Bynum was told to look for rebounds, he got them. Big Z played in the second half and Bynum got rebounds over him, Pau did not.

Oh Pau, you perplex us so!

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

So so so so so much.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah my argument applies alot more to Pau

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Frankly, the fact that Andrew has to be told to look for rebounds is also perplexing.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I could've taken a lazy Bynum in the ATL game

But seeing him and Pau be lazy in Miami is painful.

They did great in San Antonio… c’mon guys, we needed you in Miami too.

Its not playoffs, though. So… patience is a virtue.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, I just didn't understand it.

12 rebounds is fine for a throw-away game. Last night we threw it away and it wasn’t a throw-away game. That’s when he needed the 17. How is it Kevin Love can get 10+ every night and Andrew can’t? Baffling.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Love is a rebounding monster

He tries harder than anyone on the floor, has fundamental boxing out techniques and simply out works you.

Not just Bynum, but Lamar, Pau, Brook Lopez, LMA, Duncan, Blair, Zebo, Darko, Dirk, Chandler, see where I’m going with this?

7 footers have a tendency to just put there arms up because they’ve been that tall their whole life lol. They simply were bigger than everyone on the playground. Love fights for his rebounds.

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, I always see where you're going with your Bynum Defense.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, go easy on Bynum.

He had one rebound in the first half.

And he actually tweaked his ankle, not banged knees.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah there you go

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Bynum

Not gonna go easy on him at all. It says something when Ron is the one willing to go fucking balls out to get a rebound in the post. Wheres our bigs!?!?!?!

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

My comment is full of sarcasm.

Des said Andrew didn’t have any rebounds in the first half. I countered that he had one.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you

I was agreeing and expounding on what you said.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

according to dex's analysis..

Bynum was on help defense most of the first half and should have only corraled one or two additional defensive rebounds.

by Kobe B on Mar 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If it was any other team then yea. But on a team with LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Mike Miller(even though he kinda blows) its hard to find time to prepare for Big Z.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Ben R is one of the most knowledgable guys on SSR.

He could be one of the writers if he wanted to.

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8 + 24 > 23 + 6

by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not saying he's Hakeem Olajuwan

but he doesnt let our bigs completely mess him up like most other ones do

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

So your saying just because hes big he bothers our bigs right? In that case every “big” center should affect the game like Big Z does?

How about when we played Orlando in the Finals? You dont think Howards presencemade it difficult? Yet we handled Orlando like nothing. There a lot more examples that i dont need to use.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Howard did give our bigs problems

but because we had two bigs, he could only guard one and plus Pau was able to shoot his faceup game on him, where he was alot less affective. And yes, just because a big man is as tall and big as our bigs, they actually do disrupt them. Watch the games and you’ll know why.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

So Tyson Chandler, Marcus Camby, Brook Lopez, Robin Lopez, Roy Hibbert, Okafor, Deandre Jordan, Nene all must give our bigs problems because their big right?

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on how tall those bigs are

Guys like Chandler, Camby, and Jordan do give them trouble because they are tall enough and/or strong enough to not let them dominate them.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Im pretty sure almost all these guys are 7 feet +.

Pau/Drew/Lamar have owned each and every one of these guys at some point or another by the way.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope Lopez, Hibbert, Okafor and Nene are not 7 ft

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok then add these:

Pryzbilla, Bogut, Noah, Perkins… Thers more i dont feel like adding them.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep those guys hold their own defensively

particulary Noah against Pau. Actually, Bynum has done well on Perkins when he’s been healthy.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on now. You tell me what name doesnt belong:

Kendrick Perkins, Joakim Noah, Marcus Camby, Big Z.

Just because your tall doesnt mean you can play D. Ask Pau(ouch).

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it does actually

You dont have to be super young and quick to be able to contain a big. Height and wingspan are alot of what is good about being a good big man defender.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You dont have to be super young and quick to be able to contain a big

You do when those bigs are Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, and Lamar Odom.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Then why didnt they play better yesterday

and also on the first meeting with Boston when Shaq played?

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Because there are times during the season when you lose, there are times when your best guys play bad, there are times when your worst guys play well…

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The other team gets paid too, they want to win just as much(probably more)than The Lakers do right now.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

lol thats all it is?

Theres more to it than that, theres an actual basketball explanation for it.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

lmao you couldnt understand that?

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Whats the explanation.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

that theres more to it than just

oh this game they didnt bring it and the other team did. Thats true to a degree but there is a basketball explanation as well, which ive stated several times

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Because of their mindset.

Our bigs have issues. Pau is soft, Bynum gets taken out of the game with mental mistakes, which is why you see him fouling and sitting the bench in fourth quarters.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You seem to think that every big guy can defend and just because their big they effect the game negatively for the other team. Thats wrong.

Just like smalls, there are good bigs and bad ones. Z right now is a bad one.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true

If a guy is as big as Pau he is gonna be able to contain him most nights.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, that is so wrong you have no idea.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Its such a false statement that i wont bother making a counter argument to it.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Its an opinion as are your statements

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Then disagree dude

It’s my opinion and there are others who agree.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Find me one person who agrees with this statement. PLEASE.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ben R and also C.A. know what I mean

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true.

When Pau is focused, nobody can stop him.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree.

Big Z’s massive windspan clearly bothered Pau and made. His defense isn’t what it used to be, but he’s bigger than any other big in the league and that WILL affect the game.

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by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

and made rebounding difficult*

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by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

BIG Z HURTS OUR REBOUNDING?

Are you serious?

If thats true, we’re fucked. As in upper case fucked with a “no title contention” sticker attached to it.

The guy doesn’t even get PT in most games. Spo put him in bc he’s been proven to fluster Pau. The fact that he thinks this is an actual strategy should be INFURIATING and disrespectful to Pau.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Like you said, we shoudn't generalize.

It was only 1 game, and although he hurt our rebounding last night, it’s a hardly going to be a regular thing.

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by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

THANK YOU

Theres one Kevin

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hes not agreeing that anyone as big as Pau can guard Pau.

That is a ridiculous statement.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he is

he said that Z’s wingspan affected Pau and contained him

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Hes saying one person affected Paus game, not everyone who the same size as Pau can stop him. Thats ludicrous.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Not everyone okay

Got carried away. But guys like him and Shaq as well as Chandler will affect him.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Again your saying centers can stop a power forward.

Thats usually the case.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

thats what i was saying in the beginning

In that Big Z gave Pau problems and you acted like that just wasnt true. When it is.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Its not true. Im just saying that its usually the case that a 5 can stop a 4.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, des, i meant Big Z in particular

every big is unique, and each one of them will affect Pau in a different way.

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by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Pau has no problem with big guys, he faces up takes the jumper or goes right past them.

The guys Pau has truble with are the smaller brutes. Big Baby, Blair, Criag Smith…

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

LOLWUT

your shitting me right? He abuses shorter guys.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not saying ONLY shorter guys. Those short, strong, position defenders that he cant back down or take off the dribble.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

wow des you're in quite the bull fight

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by jXn on Mar 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Pau owns smaller guys.

He walked all over Boozer in the playoffs last year.

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by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Please re-read what i said. Obviously he owns smaller guys.

Im talking about those specific type of smaller guys.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I got you

He doesnt own those guys. But he does better against those guys than guys who are as big as him like Shaq and Big Z.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Shaq/Big Z are 5’s, and Pau is a 4. So….

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

lol they still guard him

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt it. Big Z, Shaq would be assigned to Drew.

KG, Bosh would have Pau as an assignment.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaq has guarded Pau

particularly when Drew was hurt or out of the game. Same with Z.

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Then Pau is dumb. If Shaq is guarding Pau, Pau should own him.

All Pau has to do is face up without committing his dribble. Shaq is fucked.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Guys, take a deep breath, regroup, and continue your convo down below.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

lol yeah this format is getting on my nerves

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH. There i feel better now. aha

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Perkins isn't either, but he scraps like he is.

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by Joshua S on Mar 11, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm loving this discussion! Proceed, gentlemen

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by Deuce4Mamba on Mar 11, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Just do it respectfully.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed. It's interesting to hear both sides, equally passionate.

Like watching a tennis match…

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by Deuce4Mamba on Mar 11, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay lol

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But I understand what you mean

Thats why I said it does apply to Pau.

But it SHOULDNT! Pau lets it apply to him because he shrinks. He played a good game yesterday, but he could have been better, we Need him to be better.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah exactly

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

OT

but the Heat are trying to put this bar out of business
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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

should I go omlette or egg McMuffin for lunch?

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:52 AM PST reply actions  

I think its time to put a spotlight on Gasol's defense

For a legit 7" with a long wingspan its horrible how many times he lets a smaller player score around the rim. How many times does he back pedal while raising his arms? As if that should be enough of a deterrent, instead of jumping. And it’s not like he is a foul prone big, quite the opposite. He rarely is in foul trouble. Contrast that with Drew’s defense around the rim and its embarrasing.

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

I agree, LETS GRILL HIM!

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh the back pedaling kills me...he contorts his body giving the offensive player room to make a move

Sometimes it works because he blocks the shots…most times he fouls or let them score…He def needs a stronger base

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

And i know he’s European, but would it kill him to give a hard foul once in a while?

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It might not kill him, but it might injure him.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi Trouble Maker :)

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Food For Thought
From my perspective (which included no eyeballs), the Lakers first half was defensively poor. 55 points is far too many to give up in the first half against this team. Chris Bosh played well (again), which has to rest on the shoulders of Gasol and Bynum (again). The real damage was done on the boards. The Lakers lost the first half rebounding contest by a good margin (8 or 9, pardon I listened to the radio and don’t know for certain), and gave up a load of offensive boards (11 or 12, perhaps).

The defense stepped up in the second half, and for the game, LeBron and Dwyane Wade were 16 of 40 (40% FG). If the Lakers were able to keep LeBron and Wade to relatively poor shooting, how did Miami win the game?

I’ll tell you:

Miami has severe weaknesses in two places: size and depth. If you can’t control the glass against Miami, and beat their second team, you deserve to lose.

People want to blame Kobe, but this game was lost before the final minute of the game.

The Lakers lost the aforementioned rebounding tally by 9 boards, which led to 6 more Miami shots (7 more made baskets overall).

And much more importantly, Miami’s bench far outplayed the Lakers’ second unit. Mike Miller played well early (as he often does, before the pressure sets in), and Mike Bibby played well late (as he’s the Mike with actual meaningful basketball games in his career). The pair was 6 of 9 from the floor, including 4 of 6 from 3PT range, including a huge pair by Bibby early in the 4th quarter that seem to swing some momentum (again, I listened to the game in a car).

Conversely, Shannon Brown, Steve Blake and Matt Barnes were 0-6, including 0-3 from 3PT range. Barnes is not back at 100%. Steve Blake, contrary to every belief in the off-season, has not mastered the triangle offense, and is in the midst of a shooting swoon. Shannon Brown’s awful shooting (12-56 from 3PT – 21% – over last 26 games) is only matched by his horrific shot selection and complete misunderstanding of game flow.

Again, just some thoughts from a guy who never actually saw one second of the game.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Yup yup yup, just what I was saying.
People want to blame Kobe, but this game was lost before the final minute of the game.

2010 was a kick ass year. - Kobe Bryant
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

And kobe sensing his team wasnt going to be able to do it, tried to do it for them.

Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher

by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah no it wasn't

That was a bad three by Kobe and gruesome missed layup by Artest. If that layup goes in its tie ball game with 1 min. left. Anything could have happened!

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If that 3 goes in, everyone is screaming KOBE IS A GOD, HE'S SO FUCKING GOOD, OMG!!!!!1111 ELEVEN

Because it missed, he’s the shitpile who lost us the game. It should never have come down to that in the first place. It was lost before that.

2010 was a kick ass year. - Kobe Bryant
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats 3 was a horrible, horrible shot. Right when he shot it i knew it wasnt going in.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

No argument about the shot, just the beating he's taking for it.

When he took that running, leaning, one-legged 3-pointer at the end of the Miami game on December 4, 2009 (my favorite of all time right now), no one thought for a second it was going in, not even Kobe. But it did and we won. That’s why he does it again and again and again and again. And we praise him when he makes the shot, then shoot him down when he doesn’t. He doesn’t change, but “we” do.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

In tha Miami game when he caught the ball his first step was away from the basket, that was a mistake which was obviously covered by what he claims was “the luckiest shot ive ever taken”.

We had a good amount of time to get a very good look, but he went early and it wasnt a good shot.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, I didn't say it was a good shot, just that's he's taken bad shots that have gone in before.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Your saying we shouldnt get mad at Kobe because hes made those shots before right?

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

lol love to see her response to this

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

And so you shall.

2010 was a kick ass year. - Kobe Bryant
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Not impressed.

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

ROFL pic fail

nevermind everything lol

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely FAIL.

And we all know I live to impress desecrator09, right?
;-)

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

oh yeah

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I'm saying get mad at him EVERY TIME he takes the bad shot.

Don’t go screaming praise about how he’s so fucking good when he takes a bad shot, but makes it, then bitch and moan when he takes the same shot but it doesn’t go in. Be consistent.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I got you

I dont know if he does that though lol

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok well my case is that he missed those big shots more than hes made them. So if anything my argument is made on the right bases and your isnt.

Right?

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

lol this is exactly what I said yesterday

the whole missing more than making argument which I got crucified for.

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

We're really talking right and wrong, not differences of opinion? Alrighty then.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

uh oh

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

the one in december was a desperation shot at the buzzer

I cant blame him for taking that. The two yesterday however were incredibly difficult shots WITH brand new shot clocks. Sure he can make them, but they had little chance of going in. Thats why there is an issue.

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

YES!!!

YES!!!!

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

no

the issue was with the quality of the shot, not whether or not it went in.

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah thats what i said yesterday

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I can live with the bad three, it happens from time to time

But my point is if that layup goes in, whatever came before it is irrelevant. Its a tie ballgame with a min. to play. That’s all any team can ask for!

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Why can you live with the bad 3? Because it was Kobe? Come on double standards….

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS is something I agree with you with

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

This is exactly my point.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course!!!!!

I take the good and the bad with Kobe. No shame in that.

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you take the good and the bad with Pau? How about with Drew? Phil? Fish?

Come on. If your going to disregard everything negative Kobe does then you must do it for everyone.

Cant get on Pau for playing tough, dont get on Drew for not rebounding, dont get on Fish for shooting anything except GW’s, dont get on Phil for not bringing in the right guys.

Kobe is great, but he makes mistake like everyone else.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Its called a double standard

Great players have earned it. Doesn’t make it right or wrong. I give Kobe leeway on some bad shots. The man has brought me unbelieveable joy for the last 14 yrs. Can’t say the same for Pau, or Drew

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm so he believes in Double Standard

Its just whether or not you believe in that I guess…

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

they arent but they dont get the benefit of the doubt all the time either...

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Without Pau we wouldnt have won the 2 Championships. Kobe should be given a break from time to time, but hes given a break on just about everything he does with Laker fans.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah he does deserve the benefit of the doubt SOMETIMES

but not all the time and last night was an example where he definetell didnt

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

No, he's not.

Come on Kevin. You’ve been around here long enough to know that’s definitely not true.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok 85% of Laker fans are the “Kobe cant do anything wrong” type, then there are the 10% that think he should be held accountable, and the 5% that just blame him for everything.

Sound about right?

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is disregarding Pau's role

But yes I do treat Kobe differently than the rest of the team.

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well thats not right.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Because its not fair to the other players.

Not at all.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

agree

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

basketball is still a team game

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This is an unrealistic view of basketball, AND sports.

This isn’t pop warner football or high school basketball where the coach can bench you for not wearing team sneakers. Kobe is different, works harder, shows up earlier, and plays more aggressive because thats Who He Is.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It's definitely not, but even one of our writers says he holds Kobe to a higher standard than he does the others.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats perfectly fine, but to an extent.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is it fine?

2010 was a kick ass year. - Kobe Bryant
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

cuz he's a writer lol

jk

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Because hes done a lot more more this organization than anyone else. So he should be allowed to screw up a little.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

mmmmhmmm

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I have to say wow.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

IKR?
No one is disregarding Pau’s role
But yes I do treat Kobe differently than the rest of the team.

17andover

Well thats not right.

Kevin M.

Why not?

17andover
 
Because its not fair to the other players.

Not at all.

Kevin M.
Because hes done a lot more more this organization than anyone else. So he should be allowed to screw up a little.
Kevin M.

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

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8 + 24 > 23 + 6

by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

should he though?

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair?

This isn’t Little League. They are all big boys.

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

ha

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell that to Miami.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Even Bosh knows his place

And its way, way behind James and Wade.

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

but shouldnt we hold them all to the same expectations?

no one is above the team

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

mmmmmhmmmm

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Listen even in other jobs people are held to a higher standard, but again to a certain extent.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

its knowing where that extent stops

is the hard part to figure out…

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It is. But not really, its only hard when your looking back.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, when you figure out when we should stop blaming Kobe for all of the Lakers' ills, or praising him for all of our good, let us know.

‘Cuz up above you said everyone should be treated the same, but now it’s fine to cut Kobe some slack once in a while, but he’s to blame for last night’s loss, I’m a bit confused.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

thats what i meant by

the hard part if knowing where that leeway stops and when it should take effect. This is getting DEEP….

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

ok

I can agree with this

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

You shouldnt be confused at all.

Kobe has earned a little bit a lead way, he works so hard and has done so much that you have to give it to him.

I dont think i ever said Kobe is to blame for last night game, if i did im wrong. This is the problem right here.

Kobe lovers wont budge their stance AT ALL and say “you know what maybe Kobe can impact the game negatively” or “Maybe Kobe was at fault more than this guy”. While us Kobe critiques try and meet you guys in the middle.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Your taking everything i say and taking it to the extreme to back your argument.

The reality is that i never said ALL of the Laker ills should be blamed on Kobe, nor ALWAYS praise him.

Its somewhere in the middle.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

So for everyone reading this just to clarify:

NEVER did i say Kobe should be blamed for everything

NEVER did i say Kobe should be praised for everything

NEVER did i solely blame Kobe for last nights loss

SoCalGal its not right to say that i said things i didnt say, it really makes people change their opinion and go away from my argument because they think i said thing i didnt say.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

*said something i didnt say

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

We've all generalized here so don't get bent out of shape.

But you have contradicted yourself, so I’m just trying to understand exactly what you mean. Now I see, so it’s all good.

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Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I see, so it’s all good.

Ok.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

My stance is this:

Kobe deserves a little extra slack, no doubt. Hes done a lot, worked hard so he should be allowed to screw up a bit more than others.

But theres a limit, and while looking back on games its hard to define that “line”, during that game, or recently after its very easy to tell.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Again Bullshit

Choose any sport you like. There’s always a pecking order!

by 17andover on Mar 11, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Still, the #1 gets his share of the blame when he deserves it.

I never argued against a pecking order.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

of course there is

I’m just saying no one should get off easy for a mistake, while the other guy gets grilled.

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell the officials that.

Also, although a morally true point, it is in actuality false.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Mar 11, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, it is right.

He works the hardest and carries the entire damn team. Treat Kobe the same as everyone else and he’d not be a Laker very long, and I wouldn’t blame him.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I kinda agree

we give him a lot of lead way, maybe too much.

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The people who are giving him the lead way, know that they are doing so incorrectly.

If something is wrong/bad for one player to do, its wrong/bad for everyone else.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean there was a post earlier this week and the whole post was about how Kobe is playing bad defense on purpose as part of the great conspiracy.

I mean come on now.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, that wasn't taken very seriously.

2010 was a kick ass year. - Kobe Bryant
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It was from some of the comments i read.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

afroman was one of them i bet

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, dude, there are 31 comments on that post.

31 and that doesn’t even mean 31 people commented. You can do better than that.

2010 was a kick ass year. - Kobe Bryant
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
To be great is to be misunderstood. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

the EXACT REASON I can deal with the bad three is because it was Kobe.

You guys are crazy if you don’t remember Kobe winning So many big games by taking those exact threes. That is his game. Dislike that shot, and you dislike the player Kobe is. It is what it is.

by Jevon O on Mar 11, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure Kobe wasnt the sole reason we lost. But he certainly didnt help. Not at all.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

The game was winnable before he turned it over.

Might’ve been an ugly win, but every bit matters, from the beginning to the end. Just as you can’t say it was only because of Kobe that the Lakers lost, you can’t say that it was only the rebounding that lost the game. The game was tied. The Lakers, even with their poor rebounding, still had a hell of a chance of winning.

Saying that, though, Kobe was one of the reasons that the Lakers weren’t getting killed from their poor rebounding in the first half.

by B- on Mar 12, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Alright guys argument resumes right here :)

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone else tired of this?

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, you started it, mister.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

and i'm ending it

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Why? Arent bogs made for arguing?

You ending an argument prematurely basically means you give up.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

lol no because I've stated my points enough times

and I’m tired of arguing

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This is my last point on this subject.

Your making defense out to be this 1-1 thing. Its not, it used to be but its not.

Fact is that when Pau has the ball it really doesnt matter who guarding him, its who supposed to help the guy thats guarding him. Because im 1000% sure Miami game planned on Gasol beating Z every time down so the help defense is just as important as the man-man defense.

Get what im saying?

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Yeah

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Hollinger on the Kobe postgame practice
Hollinger: A scripted sideshow that the media lapped up as though it was a free milkshake.

lol

what do you guys think? Was it bad on his part to practice just an hour after the game? Could he have gone to a private facility, or would the media have tracked him down anyway?

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

Uh no it wasnt at all

He wanted to practice and ppl are just blowing it up like its something crazy and now he’s getting all the haters something to talk about

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The media is at least

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Supposedly the Heat had a practice court available for him, but he decided to use the arena.

Personally, I don’t see the big deal. The only reason people are making so much of it is because we lost the game and because it’s Kobe.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I kinda wanted him to be a little bit more furtive about it

but yeah, its Kobe. The media will follow him all over the place anyway.

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

the whole thing is stupid.

anyone who took undergrad psych 101 knows that preparation for success is best done in the same building where the “test” will occur. kobe just thinks that he sucks in that arena and so he’s practicing in said arena for the last time before he’s gotta come back here.

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by _logan_ on Mar 11, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

*there

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by _logan_ on Mar 11, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm

interesting theory.

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Its just not that serious.

Kobe has done before and admitted to doing it before. Because the journalists did their jobs and reporting what they see, others want to have a b*tch-fit. Its all kinds of dumb.

by E-ROC on Mar 11, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Everything is reported differently in the age of Twitter so it really doesn't mean anything.

Last night I was watching a re-run of Law & Order (the original) and there was a blackout. The cops were complaining that they didn’t have any power to recharge their radios. The lieutenant reminded them all that there was a time when cops didn’t have radios, just whistles.

The point is that how you do things changes, people, but what you do doesn’t. Reporters report, just in a different way. Those who never knew Kobe’s done this before know now and will be on the lookout so they can scoop everyone else (and bitch about it) on Twitter.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the original Law & Order

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, me too. Was a great show.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Miss Lenny so much :(

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by Ben R on Mar 11, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He was great.

One of my favorites on the show. Irreplaceable.

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

favorite characters*

Jerry Orbach was a great actor.

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF THE ESPN LOSANGELES MOOD RING

went from CONFIDENT to NERVOUS in one game WTF

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

fucking pincher bugs in my room

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

sent by the haters!

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

killed em

all good :)

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Desert bugs are the worst.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

scorpions yeah those suck

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by desecrator09 on Mar 11, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

wow argument day.

peace to those in japan.

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by _logan_ on Mar 11, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

At least 1000 feared dead after Japan quake

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by jXn on Mar 11, 2011 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

Just a rough day.

Haven’t been in the mood to get on here and talk much cuz of what’s going on.

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by jXn on Mar 11, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Great talking with you guys today, i have to go to practice. I might be on later tonight if anyone cares aha.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

You're always welcome here, Kevin, never doubt it.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks. Good talking with you.

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

later!

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you should get in a rebounding gym Pau

KevinDing KEVIN DING
Pau had no idea Kobe stuck around last night and never has done that. “Usually I’m hungry after a game, so I need to hurry & go to dinner.”

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

LOL, let him eat. He could use some more meat on his scrawny ass bones.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he can always eat after rebounding :)

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol i like the part

where he says he “needs to hurry” and go to dinner like he collapses if he feels hunger pains or something

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL...he prolly does...then checks for blood when he gets up

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by lakergirl on Mar 11, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yawn.

That game yesterday.

Moving on..

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

we want to be peaking end of may-june. not beginning of march, anyways...

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by _logan_ on Mar 11, 2011 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

Something stupid is going to happen

Like Kidd, Terry, Beubois, Barea or even COREY BREWER having a career game against the lakers

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you can take Jason Kidd and Jason Terry off that list.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

never!

kidd is shooting 37% this season and terry is feast or famine

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Kidd torched us.

Also, Sasha Pavlo-something or another.

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that was terrible

especially since before that game, Kidd was having 0-7, 0-8 games. Vs the hornets the other day i think he went 0-7 again

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yep he did, and 0-5 from three

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly, so it won't happen again for Kidd. Terry has done it to us before, but the others haven't had their chance.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

the NFL is headed for a lockout
dkaplanSBJ: BREAKING NEWS: nfl players are set leave negotiating and go to court to decertify, source in room says

if the NBA can get their shit together this summer maybe, next year could be huge ratings-wise.

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

David $tern Knows!

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

nba cant afford to go into lockout either

so its a must win situation.

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

A lockout means up to 8 more months of SS&R Rough Cuts.

Put on your thinking caps, people!

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

If that is the case, you can all find me over here:
http://www.theshortfuse.com/
http://www.fmfstateofmind.com/

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd better not be leavin' us, yo!

Not for futbol!

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, nah don't worry

I’ll be around of course. :)

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

so what's the nba situation looking like in comparison to the nfl's at this point?

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by jXn on Mar 11, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

much further apart

it doesnt look good.

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

with the players/ owners

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

so if we do end up going into a lockout would it be the entire season

or would we have a shortened one? like 20 games or so? i remember we had something similar about 12 years ago

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by jXn on Mar 11, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

lockouts gonna make for some creative c-a-c contests...

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by _logan_ on Mar 11, 2011 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

sorry if you guys have already discussed this but this article ticked me off

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/A-deeper-look-at-Kobe-s-post-game-shooting-pract;_ylt=ApOVQMsv45pgFtJsnvGXYiy8vLYF?urn=nba-332860

Kelly Dwyer and Eric Freeman are 2 peeps I aint fond of

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by jXn on Mar 11, 2011 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

i came on here to discuss the same thing.

i think freemans article is a little more anti-kobe than dwyers. but still, one has to wonder what was going through Kobe’s head when he did this.

if kobe keeps passing people up on the all time scoring list... i'm going to have to keep changing my sig!

by lakerdynasty on Mar 11, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

CORRECTION

it was woj’s article i was thinking was less anit-kobe:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Arby9YgDjLawtBgQcOfohfe8vLYF?slug=aw-lakersheat031111

if kobe keeps passing people up on the all time scoring list... i'm going to have to keep changing my sig!

by lakerdynasty on Mar 11, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Its a shooting session at the arena in which the game was played immediately following the game.

Its not a big deal, but since its Kobe, lets do some article that delve deeper into a practice session.

by E-ROC on Mar 11, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kobe haters are having their day to howl.

The LeBron hemorrhoids at ESPN and their wanna be counterparts are trying to shift much of the crap that was dealt to the Heat recently onto the Lakers. It’s just the bi-polar way of things. All about the view count.

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by Joshua S on Mar 11, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Can’t win em all. I would have really loved for them to win this game, but as long as they avenge themselves in Dallas tomorrow i’ll be very happy. Especially the way dallas is rolling

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by Hdg23 on Mar 11, 2011 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

boston lost to philly

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

Nice!

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

clippers choked a 20 point lead and lost to the d-will less nets also lol

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

D-will less??

wow. They are really terrible on the road this year.

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, that's a great rivalry we've got going with them.

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by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

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by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

so just after one game Broussard thinks that Mia can win
Broussard: Miami. The Heat match up well with L.A. Kobe can’t dominate his matchup (Wade), as he does almost nightly. The Heat bigs can hold their own against the Lakers’ bigs, who are mainly finesse. (Andrew Bynum’s rugged, to a degree.) Derek Fisher can’t exploit Miami’s point guards and wreak havoc by penetrating the paint. The Lakers have no answer to slowing LeBron down.

Lebron Slowed down
Wade had a terrible game 2-12 at one point with kobe defending
Mia have bigs?

Worst job in NBA: guarding Kobe
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by rballer on Mar 11, 2011 7:48 PM PST reply actions  

he's right

"Baron is one of those guys who feeds off the crowd, but if the crowd sucks, he just feeds himself." - Bill Simmons

"the next time i check in a hotel and the previous guess doesnt put toilet seat down and i fall into the toilet. im gonna be pissed "-Ron Artest

by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

well they matched up pretty well with us

so it isnt a horribly off base opinion.

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, it's after two games, but who's counting?

Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.

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by DexterFishmore on Mar 11, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The Heat match up well with L.A. Kobe can’t dominate his matchup (Wade), as he does almost nightly.

Same could be said for Wade.

The Heat bigs can hold their own against the Lakers’ bigs, who are mainly finesse. (Andrew Bynum’s rugged, to a degree.

No one in the league can stop our bigs when their fully engaged and into the game, least of all Miami.

Derek Fisher can’t exploit Miami’s point guards and wreak havoc by penetrating the paint.

Who can Derek Fisher exploit? Miamis PG are and will never be the problem.

The Lakers have no answer to slowing LeBron down.

If i could choose one person to guard LeBron for a game/series it would be Ron, Matt would be high that list as-well.

Im not worried about Miami, not in The Postseason when the big boys come to play(get it…?).

by Kevin M. on Mar 11, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

for what it matters i agree with desacrator09

i think big z is the darth vader in the lakers universe

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by Czheck on Mar 11, 2011 7:48 PM PST reply actions  

bulls half game out of first

"Baron is one of those guys who feeds off the crowd, but if the crowd sucks, he just feeds himself." - Bill Simmons

"the next time i check in a hotel and the previous guess doesnt put toilet seat down and i fall into the toilet. im gonna be pissed "-Ron Artest

by Tkuang on Mar 11, 2011 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

The Big Puzzle

bynum has got to be the most frustrating laker ever. good recap of the thorn he is in all laker fans sides here: http://chasing23.com/2011/03/the-most-enigmatic-laker/

by kb1834 on Mar 11, 2011 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

Oh please!

get off that

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by bluexfalcon on Mar 11, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

really?

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"I'm a perfectionist who's not perfect." - Ron Artest

8 + 24 > 23 + 6

by LakerAce on Mar 11, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

ok.

"What doesn't kill you might injure you, or just kill you later." -Czheck Proverb

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Mar 12, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

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