What Combination of Laker Bigs Works Best Against the Thunder?
Today's big game against the Oklahoma City Thunder is filled with interesting matchups. There is the league leader in points per game, Kevin Durant, against one of the better on-ball defenders in Ron Artest. There is also the league leader in points per minute, Kobe Bryant, against another one of the better defenders in the league, Thabo Sefolosha. There is the interesting cross-match of Kobe Bryant trying to defend the younger and significantly more athletic Russell Westbrook. Despite all of these high profile matchups, none may have a bigger impact than that of the Lakers' lineup featuring Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol.
It is not often that one can identify any significant trends looking at the results of various line-up combinations between teams, the reason being that there are very few games to analyze, with only two to four games between teams per year. One could gather additional data by looking at prior seasons but oftentimes the rosters change drastically, making comparisons somewhat useless. Lakers-Thunder games, however, don't have these problems. The Lakers and Thunder have had very few roster changes, although the Jeff Green for Kendrick Perkins one is a doozy. They also played each other in the playoffs last year and that series went six games. This gives us a unique opportunity to compare lineups across 11 games over the last two seasons (four last season, six in the playoffs and the one game played this year). An analysis of those 11 games yields some interesting results.
During those 11 games, the Lakers played lineups featuring Derek Fisher, Kobe, Artest and some combination of Odom, Gasol and/or Andrew Bynum at the other two positions for 300 minutes. Here are the offensive and defensive efficiency statistics for each of the three combinations.
It is quite clear that the Lakers have been absolutely superb with their biggest frontline, featuring Gasol and Bynum, having a net efficiency differential of +25.5. The have also been quite effective with their "medium" sized lineup, pairing Odom with Bynum, having a net efficiency differential of +11.5. Unfortunately, when the Lakers have played the "smallest" of their main frontline rotation the results have been very poor, with a net efficiency differential of -15.0. This lineup had both the lowest offensive efficiency and the highest defensive efficiency (by far) of the three combinations.
The reason for this is quite easy to explain: the Odom and Gasol front line simply doesn't present the size mismatch the other two lineups do. Nothing shows this more than taking a look at the rebounding rates for each of these three combinations.
As you can see, the frontline combination of Odom and Gasol has been quite poor on the defensive glass, grabbing only 56.3% of the Thunder's missed shots. This is a significant drop relative to the other two combinations and is a big reason why the defensive efficiency is so poor. They are doing well to force the initial stop, but failure to end the possession there is killing the team. They also have not grabbed as many of their own misses on the offensive glass. The Thunder have dominated them on the glass with this lineup and thus significantly outscored the Lakers when this lineup was on the floor.
The Lakers have won 8 of the last 11 games against the Thunder due to their supreme size and rebounding inside. So while the sexy matchups feature stars like Bryant, Durant and Westbrook, the real matchups to watch will be when Odom and Gasol are out there together. They haven't done well in the prior 11 games but Odom is playing the best he has as a Laker this year and Gasol is channelling his inner Black Swan. Will it be enough to turn the tables? We will soon find out.
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I love the graphs so much. Great read.
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Good stuff, AS. Fingers crossed for turned tables today.
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It will be interesting, now, to see how the addition of Perkins shakes this up
Again Actuarial, I like this and enjoy your posts.
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yeah, was going to post that somewhere
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by bengalithugg13 on Feb 27, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, killed it again
Just read your first piece (late to the party) and was seriously, seriously impressed, and this is just as good. Between C.A., Dex, the new guy, and all the other great contributors here, SS&R has become one of the best blogs around in a very short amount of time. Looking forward to reading more of your stuff in the future.
As far as the Thunder..
I’m curious to see (in a couple weeks) what Perkins looks like without Garnett next to him. I think this move put OKC over the top, but I also believe Perkins will never look quite as good as he did next to KG.
Defensively, I think the Thunder should be right there (although they did lose Ron Adams, the key behind last year’s D). It’s the offense I’ll be watching. If Ibaka can’t hit the J consistently, their spacing will collapse.
Ibaka hasn't had to hit the J
so it will definitely be interesting to se
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odom’s production has slipped the last couple of games. i hope he doesn’t regress to his inconsistent days now that all-star voting and all-star game are over.
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I don't think Lamar's season-long production had anything to do with the All Star Game.
He had no idea he was gonna be placed on the ballot. And don’t take the past couple of games as an indication of his whole season. Use what came before as the measuring stick.
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Odom
His production will be key for us, when he comes of the bench. And i agree completely, now that all-star weekend is over Odom needs to stay consistent. Especially against the Thunder, who are still scarred against the Magic loss.
It's interesting to note in those graphs
that Odom/Bynum and Gasol/Bynum practically have the same rebounding rates, yet the only thing that takes a hit is the offensive efficiency. That was rather interesting to me, especially with all that Odom can do. Sure, Gasol has a great jumper, smooth passing (usually..), a lot of speed for a big man and some nice off-ball moving, but Odom has all of that and some ball handling skills which makes him naturally able to drive to the basket. I don’t know how that efficiency works out for all the other teams, but it would be interesting to find that out.
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Very interesting
I always thought that the Odom/Gasol lineup was our best offensive lineup, while Gasol/Bynum and Odom/Bynum were more defensive oriented, but obviously the numbers suggest otherwise.
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8 + 24 > 23 + 6
That may still be true...
It may be that Odom and Gasol are “normally” our best offensive line-up but in this particular match-up the reverse is true. I think it is a product of the lack of size of the Thunder front line (pre Perkins) that makes the additional size become so impactful.
by Actuarially Sound on Feb 27, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
The Headline on ESPN says "Thunder Ready to Storm?"
How DARE you invoke the name of the WNBA champions!
I love the Knicks. They beat the Heat and lost to the Cavs. TWICE.
You know that's the name of your WNBA team, right?
I love the Knicks. They beat the Heat and lost to the Cavs. TWICE.
Thunder shock the Lakers in OKC
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So guys, how pumped are you
For the Cleveland-Philadelphia game this afternoon? Because I know that’s what you came here for.
I love the Knicks. They beat the Heat and lost to the Cavs. TWICE.
lolwut
Pheonix and Indiana are already in the 4th quarter.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"I'm a perfectionist who's not perfect." - Ron Artest
8 + 24 > 23 + 6
they started an 2 hours before us right?
mmmmm.... delicious
by Cup Noodles on Feb 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
shot clock turnover
20 second timeout called by indiana
I love the Knicks. They beat the Heat and lost to the Cavs. TWICE.
where's the GT?
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by princeton11loveshalos on Feb 27, 2011 11:28 AM PST reply actions
eh, it's still gonna be several hours until the Cavs-Sixers game
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