Lakers Failed To Upgrade & Are Paying For It
During the off season, the lakers should have upgraded their frontcourt as well as adding Blake and Barns. At the time I thought bringing Shaq back for a year or two would have done the trick. Many Laker fans were upset that I made the suggestion, many said that we didn't need him. But what I was really looking to do was fill a large whole we have had all season at center. The very thing he has done for Boston (look at their record compared to ours and tell me who was right).
Andrew Bynum has been hurt most of the season, which forced Phil Jackson to move Gasol over to center. This move as worked for short stretches in the past, but this year it was a total disaster. Gasol had a great first 10 games of the year, but since maybe 4. He was forced to play out of position, getting beat up, man-handled, drained mentally and physically and the move has disrupted the entire team chemistry. Bringing Odom off the bench was great for him, but it created a huge whole on the bench. Ratlif has not been, nor will he be the answer. Teams are killing us with their speed, and with the right tough big guy knocking some guys to the floor, we would not have had half of these loses and Gasol would be in much much better shape/confidence.
Now Bynum has returned, and he has played well in some games, but his play has always shown that some matchups are not for him. He is still slow and needs someone else that can do the same things as Jackson requires of him to do. Rebound, block some shots, intimidate, knock some guys on their butts, and to be the enforcer.
Having that guy on the floor can make a huge difference to the other softer Lakers like Gasol and Odom.
The Lakers needed to have made this move in the offseason, BEFORE Gasol got himself all tired and wiped out. Now the team is hurting. Of course Kobe's knee recovery has not helped. He cannot be expected to play at the level of play he wants to and practice with the team, which does hurt chemistry, which is why I would like for us to have picked up a better backup for him as well, but the main thing was some frontline help.
At this point I think the Lakers only have a couple of options. If the Lakers use the $5 million trade expection we picked up for Sasha, and combine that with Shannon Brown and maybe Character and or Joe Smith, the Lakers could throw in some cash and get a key player. I heard that the Phoenix Suns Lopez with in the coaches dog house. Well that would be an ideal pickup, because Lopez is big, athletic and physical. That would do nicely. That would actally help the lakers control the pain on every given night, and get their physical toughness back.
I have heard trade rumors that the Lakers have thought about trading Artest for Stephen Jackson. I believe that has not even truly been discussed, and I know that Michael Jordan doesn't want Artest. However Stephen Jackson has been a pill for them and has a big contract, so if Michael Jordan could, he would move him. Stephen Jackson would be a great backup for Kobe, and help the Lakers run the triangle more effeciently because he is big guard and can shoot the three. Again, we would through in the $5 million trade expection we picked up for Sasha, and combine that with Shannon Brown and maybe Character and or Joe Smith, and the Lakers could throw in some cash and a 2nd round pick to get the deal done... and even then, Jordan might not think its worth it.
I have heard about Aaron Brooks being on the trade block and he might actually be a good trade for Blake and Character, but the thing the Lakers need the most, is that enforcer that can shift the pain back in our favor. Even if it costs us Odom. I like the big guy in Atlanta.
What do you think we can do to salvage this season that is realistic?
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You should read Actuarial Sound's new post.
Our frontline isn’t the problem, but rather our 3pt shooting.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"I'm a perfectionist who's not perfect." - Ron Artest
8 + 24 > 23 + 6
we were never a 3pt shooting team so that was to be expected.
what baffles me is our average defense this year.
Fuck, I miss Ammo and winning.
Agree 100%
We have the best frontline combo in the league. But when Pau and Drew get doubled we have no spot up shooters to make em pay for it. Artest is spotty. So is Barnes, Blake, and Shannon. We could really use a J.J. Redick type of player. A pure shooter. Jimmer Freddette anyone?
"Don't tell me why you didn't win. I already know. The other team wanted it more. Period." -Jeremy Piven
by RA37thriller on Feb 19, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
im more in line for like…winning this yr! your looking too far ahead.
by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 19, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck
He looks like a lottery or at the very least mid-first round pick at this juncture, and we don’t even have a first rounder to have a legit shot at nabbing him. Unless the new Time Warner deal has given Buss new wherewithal to start burning money to buy up picks and trade up, there’s no chance we’re getting him.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
exemption, not expection...
as for shaq, he hasnt really done squat for the celtics, but ride the pine, chewing on his freakin mouthpiece, injured as usual. as for stephen jackson, i dont think trading one headcase, for another, is the answer. as for upgrading, i think barnes has been productive, prior tho his knee injury. he gave the lakers a couple of good 20 point gms, and hustled on the boards. but i will agree, to use that trade from sasha, to pick an additional role player, but for the ones you mentioned? dont think so in my opinion.
Well, Jackson is much better than Artest
That’s hard to dispute. The bigger problem is that it’s been pretty clear that Jordan isn’t interested in Artest for Jackson or Wallace.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
You mentioned how Kobe not practicing is hurting chemistry but then supports two major trades at the end
What do you think that would do to chemistry? How many times did a team win the chip after making major trades at the deadline? I partially agree that we needed some frontcourt depth but then I wonder if they would see any playing time in the new system(shaq excluded). It’s not like our starters are playing bigs minutes anyways. Kobe and Pau are the only ones playing over 30 mins.
Fuck, I miss Ammo and winning.
Uh, failed to upgrade?
Steve Blake was considered a significant upgrade over Farmar in terms of defense, outside shooting, and willingness to pass the ball.
Matt Barnes was considered a significant upgrade over Luke Walton in terms of defense, athleticism, and toughness.
Theo Ratliff was considered a significant upgrade over Mbenga in terms of defense and experience.
What happened?
Ratliff got hurt, causing a cascade problem with the bigs rotation in Bynum’s absence.
Barnes got hurt, cutting into the effectiveness of the entire bench unit, especially Blake and Brown, who both thrived with his hustle and slashing ability.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t consider a trade at this point of the season, but to say that the team failed to upgrade is an unfair criticism.
Mitch added three veteran players this offseason, two of whom got hurt.
Artest, Bynum, and Fish, however, have all downgraded from last year, and it shows.
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who created this back when we siged blake?
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/7/8/1558450/steve-blake-signing-is-savvy-move
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Oh for A Second There I Thought You Were Going to Say
We should have traded Fish for Deron Williams.
Instead you are saying the answer to the problem is to have someone who will play 3 minutes a game and garbage time.
Picking up Steve Blake
I still like picking up Steve Blake and Matt Barnes… I do believe that those are good upgrades from last years bench… and I am certainly not saying blow up the whole team… only get rid of those that are not major pieces for a REAL enforcer… if we were a bit more beefy, I think we would be able to spread the floor better, which might help out our three point shooting, as well as our sad defense and our rebounding, and get that edge in the paint where the game is really won.
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by Wise Laker Fan on Feb 18, 2011 10:01 PM PST reply actions
Blake/Barnes good signings
But there’s a few people on our roster i cant understand.
Firstly, What possessed the Lakers to get Ratliff i have no idea. To say that he can teach the ‘young’ guys a thing or two is absolute rubbish, as the majority of the team is in its 30s. Also, i dont want to be hating, but he cant play at the pace our competitors are playing at.
Secondly, how has Walton stayed around for so long. Dont get me wrong, there was a time that i use to really rate him, but now he doesnt seem to be getting much playing time. He’s not getting the opportunities to show hes great decision making/ passing skills that he once had. Admittedly, he has been unlucky with injuries.
Browns coming into his own, as hes greatly improved his range, but being in Kobe’s shadow cant be easy for anyone.
When this team go up against the spurs/thunder, you name it, in the play offs they cant expect to have Kobe carry the way as that wont work. They shouldve signed some help as people have mentioned above. We need that spark off the bench people, if we want to make a run at this year.
I think we’ll hold our in during the playoffs like we always do, but things our tougher this season with some teams really bulking up their roster.

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