What's Going On?
by wondahbap on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM PST
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First, Woj tweets the Lakers traded Andrew Bynum and Lamar for Chris Paul. Then he runs a correction stating he meant Pau Gasol and not Bynum. Now, multiple sources are saying 3-team trade talks between the Lakers, Hornets and Houston Rockets were revived and the deal is actually Pau to Houston, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin and picks to New Orleans, and Chris Paul to the Lakers. The news keeps changing and nothing is official, but something big seems imminent.
The New Orleans Hornets are engaged in trade talks with the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets about a three-team trade that would send Chris Paul to the Lakers and Pau Gasol to the Rockets, sources said.
The Hornets would receive either Luis Scola or Kevin Martin, and possibly both, as well as draft picks. Houston owns the New York Knicks' first-round pick from 2012, as well as its own.
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seems like houston is giving up way too much
just for pau
They end up with extra cap space
which means they can sign Nene. Nene+Gasol = almost as good as Bynum+Gasol was.
Coach Fisher has a ring to it
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
Duran Tweet...
Lamar Odom to @710ESPN @stephenasmith “L.A. is home…maybe I rubbed people wrong way w doing the show”
CORPSMAN - Usually a young, long haired, bearded, Marine-hatin' Sailor with certain medical skills, who will go through the very gates of Hell to get to a wounded Marine.
Conquest Chronicles
poor lamar...
on the bright side, he’ll start now, and have a better chance of making the all star team
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Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.
The Los Angeles Lakers have agreed to surrender Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom in a trade for New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul, sources tell ESPN.com’s Marc Stein.
Terrible trade for the Lakers.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Not sure about that
Pau is awesome, but Paul is the best PG in the league.
Live ironic and whatnot.
by Brian. on Dec 8, 2011 4:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Man i love LO
Only a championship can heal this wound in my heart
Bryant said: "That stuff doesn’t get to me. You can’t motivate me or take me to a place that I’m not already at. "His six and my six are different. That’s not to say that his were more challenging than mine because I had to play a different role and do something out of character my first three. They’re just different.
Three good bigs, now one good big.
For a point guard in an offense that has Kobe Bryant in the backcourt.
Terrific,
This deal only makes sense
if they are getting D12. This lineup makes then one Bynum injury from being killed up front.
Having said that, this is basically the best starting backcourt of all-time. Think about that.
I agree Mitch must know he can get D12 with CP3 on the roster
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
This is what I'm thinking
There’s NO way Mitch makes this deal without knowing what it will take to get D12 from Orlando.
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
So no DHoward?
I figured lakers would hold on to Odom to package with Bynum for Howard..does this mean were going to wait for Howard to come through free agency, or will orlando bite on a Bynum for Howard straight up deal?
if this deal goes through,
Mitch already knows we can get Dwight with Bynum + pieces.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
that's the only thing that I can figure...
otherwise, WTF?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Must be something missing here . . .
Surely the Lakers are picking up another player . . .
Should be a great incentive for Howard. How could he pass up Kobe and Paul? Lakers would be set for 10 years.
Better yet: It keeps Boston from getting Paul. If they thought Rondo had an attitude problem before . . .
i really hope odom isnt in this trade,
Or we get a Pf in return. I don’t think it works out financially, does it? Odom was supposed to go to Orlando with Bynum, lol.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
okafor, maybe?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Kinda hoping its Carl Landry…
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
theres no way orlando is going to trade bynum for howard straight up!
i dont like this deal at all now that i think about it. took one 7 footer, and the lakers lifeblood on the bench for one pg!??
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
We will get another person in this trade not just CP3
Landry maybe? hopefully? which would definitely be enough
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
It won’t be straight up. Probably several pieces/picks/money to go with Bynum. It’d still.doable. and if Dwight says I want to be traded to the Lakers or I’m leaving next season, don’t u think Orlando would take the deal.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i dont like that we are giving up two 4s. look, paul is fantastic, but is anyone else worried about his knees or am i the only one? maybe if i know more, i’ll be less worried. what kind of injury did he suffer? i heard it could be similar to that of brandon roy’s—which is what exactly?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
IM GONNA MISS THE CANDY MAN
but how can howard resist playing with two nba stars. howard can make up for the L.O.ss
The Hornets have been good to us over the years,
first Kobe now Chris Paul
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 8, 2011 4:09 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Haha, nice
I just realized that now.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
I just cussed out my TV...
Must be basketball season.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
We have to get something else in return....
No way Paul’s contract equals LO’s and Pau’s
we migh be getting scola. why would hornets want odom and scola, two pf?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Landry is a Free Agent, I think
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
No way Paul's production = Odom + Gasol
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
by D4P on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
No but Paul + Okafor might
You can’t evaluate production when it’s 2 players against 1, you have to see who the second guy with Paul is.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
This is a terrible deal unless Mitch gets D12.
We just wagered our whole season on Andrew Bynum’s health. If he goes down, we’re toast.
Sigh. I’m going to miss Pau.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
Chris Mortensen: "You know it's the 'Show-Me' State right Sam?"
"Pshh, 'Show Me.' (smirking) Yeah, I've heard that."
-Sam Bradford
bingo.
At least his knee has never been an issue…..Wait, oops. My bad.
We’re toast.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
this has prompted me to return from my studies...
CHRIS PAUL CHRIS PAUL
DWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
Lakers fan since the first grade.
we MUST be getting a big guy in return
the thing is, according to espn trade machine, the hornets giving up only paul is not enough salary to take back odom, martin, scola, etc… they have to send someone else out. okafor to the lakers?
theres always kwame brown hahaha kidding…
i want jeff green!
by BasedRaiderFan on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, he always put up good numbers. He was our most consistent player.
Call him what you want but he is an amazing player. He had one bad playoff season and all of sudden his contributions to the two championships are forgotten? nu uh..
Oh well. I’m interested in what Paul can do. Very exciting.
by AV. on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Hollinger's Estimated Wins Added 2012
Paul: 18.3
Gasol: 17.9
Odom: 10.5
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
OMG you spelled it out
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
irrelevant...
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
Other than CHI and LAC
Where else does D12 go other than the Lakers?
The Nets also have an offer on the table
Brook Lopez and picks
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I wonder what the excuses would be for a lineup including LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Dwight.
I’m guessing no all-world PG, and Spoelstra as the coach?
Ok, I'm Back! Season's Back.
Surprised at trade.
I thought the Lakers valued their length advantage.
I thought Gasol’s softness last post-season was just a phase.
I guess Dwight wanted this stuff in place.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!
I has a sad
ArashMarkazi: Lamar Odom is very emotional, sounds like he’s almost in tears during interview on @710ESPN.
:(
Again, this is a horrible deal if we don’t get Dwight. Sigh.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
Chris Mortensen: "You know it's the 'Show-Me' State right Sam?"
"Pshh, 'Show Me.' (smirking) Yeah, I've heard that."
-Sam Bradford
that "length" didnt work out too well against dallas...
they shot that theory down bigtime! and literally!
Dallas was extraordinarily hot. It carried over against LeBron too.
Oh well. I’m all for this trade… if it’s Phase 1 of 2
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!
Gasol and Odom are each more than half as good as Paul,
which makes this trade an overpay for the Lakers.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Unless Dwight comes, I don't like this trade.
And the Lakers now only have Bynum to offer for Dwight. No bueno. Lakers will be building around Bynum and Paul who have 1.5 knees between them.
They charged me 15 dollars. That's how much it costs to only have 20 dollars.
I'm thinking, hoping Dwight is a done deal
and this was the first part of it (please)
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!
who would they trade though?
I can’t see just Bynum being enough and the Raiders have no expiring contracts to offer
They charged me 15 dollars. That's how much it costs to only have 20 dollars.
by Rich Langford on Dec 8, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
RAIDERS?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
haha its been a long day for all of us
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
wow...hahaha my bad! I'm stuck in football mode still
They charged me 15 dollars. That's how much it costs to only have 20 dollars.
by Rich Langford on Dec 8, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Bynum and the Bench Mob is
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!
Do the Lakers have most of their picks in the years coming up?
If so, that could be a major help. Also, some of your bench players are starting caliber.
If LA just traded Gasol & Odom and didn't get anything back other than CP3 then they've got nothing left to trade
With Odom & Gasol gone, the most salary-friendly trade assets the Lakers have now (other than Bynum) are Luke Walton and Derek Fisher, just cause their contracts expire in the summer of 2013. And that’s very worrisome cause I don’t think there’s really anyone out there who’d be interested in either of those guys with their contracts. But after them it’s Blake and MWP, who’s contracts don’t expire until 2014, or guys who just don’t make enough money to really impact any trades.
ESPN’s Trade Machine still shows Sasha’s $5.5m trade exception on the books, and LA’s got some (probably) low-worth draft picks they can throw in, but unless LA got something else out of this Paul deal, they really don’t have much to offer in trade beyond Bynum.
Completely agree.
If they were going to do ANYTHING, they should have focused on Howard. Now I’m not so sure Orlando would go for it. :/
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
Chris Mortensen: "You know it's the 'Show-Me' State right Sam?"
"Pshh, 'Show Me.' (smirking) Yeah, I've heard that."
-Sam Bradford
Did I miss something?
"You said you was king, you lied through your teeth For that fuck your fillings, instead of getting crowned you're getting capped"
-Eminem
"Chris was simply the best I have ever seen. He would stay in the gym for hours, launching threes from everywhere inside halfcourt, in repetitions that spoke more of obsession than dedication. Chris practiced with fear, with a sort of cold sweated abandon, like he had been let out of hell to play ball one last time." -MATTHEW PIERCE
nothing major
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
hehe
"You said you was king, you lied through your teeth For that fuck your fillings, instead of getting crowned you're getting capped"
-Eminem
"Chris was simply the best I have ever seen. He would stay in the gym for hours, launching threes from everywhere inside halfcourt, in repetitions that spoke more of obsession than dedication. Chris practiced with fear, with a sort of cold sweated abandon, like he had been let out of hell to play ball one last time." -MATTHEW PIERCE
Can someone explain exactly who is going where and how the salaries would line up?
First, why would New Orleans want Odom and Scola in the first place? Seems redundant. But even if those guys and Kevin Martin AND Goran Dragic are going to NO with Gasol going to Houston and Paul to LA, that’s not even remotely close to working under the CBA, even with the new 150% salaries matching rule. Unless, is this allowed because Houston is under the salary cap so those rules don’t apply?
Also, if it took both Gasol & Odom to get CP3, is there any chance at all the Lakers can get Howard with just Bynum? Maybe Orlando doesn’t care much about Odom due to already having a couple solid PFs? I guess now Fish’s contract could be combined with Luke Walton’s and Bynum in a Howard & Turkoglu trade if Orlando was just looking to cut a little salary, but otherwise I’d think it’s looking like if the Lakers ever do get Dwight Howard it’ll probably be for Bynum straight up, and I’d only imagine that could happen if it’s right near the trading deadline and Orlando is super desperate.
I don't understand this at all.
I agree, even if the trade somehow works under the CBA, why would New Orleans want to accept so many salaries anyways? It doesn’t make any sense. Scola and Odom are both over 30 as well.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
Something is missing...
as many have stated above gasol and odom for cp3 is not justifiable..I’m thinking they’re are certain pieces missing. Doubt Kupchak would ship off 2 PF’s for 1 Pg..I’m thinking Okafaor and his riduclous contract are gonna be dumped on our books..then we package okafor with bynum for dhoward..works out! :D
even then
we still end up with zero PF type players unless we get one as a MLE or a throw in
could we play World Peace at PF??
I know he’s short, but he’s strong and having him next to Howard down low can be very formidable..
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
heard rumors
lakers might use amnesty on him. Luke is considering retiring so the lakers won’t waste the amnesty on him, so unless luke decides to keep playing, world peace is gone
Pau and Lamar?!?!
I really hope this works out cause I’m panicking a bit…gonna miss them both they belong in purp n gold…was hoping for a pau d12 front but we’ll see what mitch got up his sleeve…
by purplebloodgoldheart on Dec 8, 2011 4:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
great but!!!
ok so we get rid of essentially our two PF players. Yeah CP3 can get the ball down court, dish as needed and aggressively defend off ball BUITTTTT who the F is going to do the dirty work and rebound? Bynum or Howard will handle post up and handle on side of the key but who defends the other bigs and rebounds on the other side. Unless as part of the three way we get a PF even as a ‘throw-in’ we as hosed
Million dollar question. And it has to be answered or else this trade was horrible.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
Chris Mortensen: "You know it's the 'Show-Me' State right Sam?"
"Pshh, 'Show Me.' (smirking) Yeah, I've heard that."
-Sam Bradford
bynum blake and barnes is enough for orlando
World stays here
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
(Fire Ben Howland, Dan Guererro, and Gene Block)
Go Lakers! Dodgers vs. Angels World Series!
orlando would rather have barnes though
they don’t want that massive contract
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
hell
give orlando everything but CP3 KB24 and andrew goudelock. dude has mad range
by BasedRaiderFan on Dec 8, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Kelly Dwyer article on Yahoo
This is the important part haha
Worried NBA onlookers? The biggest team in the basketball world got the best player available. And, yes, the Lakers still have the NBA’s best trading chip in hopes of getting Dwight Howard from the Orlando Magic. Chris Paul and Dwight Howard could actually play on the Lakers, if you can believe it, with Kobe Bryant. Mitch Kupchak would have to come out of retirement to play power forward, but this could happen.
The Lakers earned this, though. They cut salary and took advantage of bad GMs in Vancouver, New Jersey and Charlotte on their way toward securing Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant in 1996. They took advantage of bad ownership (which had turned down more talent-laden offers in years prior) in Memphis to pick up Pau Gasol in 2008. They made the gutsy move of selling high with Shaq in 2004, when Bryant wasn’t even under contract, to pick up Odom and payroll flexibility. They ignored Bryant’s please and hung onto Andrew Bynum instead of trading him for Jason Kidd. The Lakers earned the right to make this deal for Chris Paul and possibly more with a decade and a half of shrewd moves.
Moves that have also left them embarrassed after getting swept out of the playoffs a few times, or lacking any semblance of a rotation outside of the superstars, and plenty of criticism along the way.
But the reason they’re able to deal for Kobe, for Odom, for Gasol, for Chris Paul and possibly Dwight Howard is because they have the pieces in place. Not because they make more money than anyone else (though this did help them hang onto Odom two offseasons ago), but because they have the parts.
The jerks.
This isn’t over, which might be the most astonishing thing of all. The NBA is back. How u?
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
by steffun4tw on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
sorry about the bad spacing
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I hear Kurt Thomas and Kwame Brown are available. :-)
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
This is deep because
can Orlando really turn down a Bynum/Barnes/Blake for D12/Hedo or Arenas deal? I don’t think so. Orlando will get cap relief plus they are gonna get the best player availible for Howard.
I think the Lakers are on the verge of getting both Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.
Amazing….
Only potential monkey wrench
is if Otis Smith decides that NJ’s package of Brook Lopez & picks is more appealing.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
I think the monkey wrench would be if Howard
says hell sign a long term deal with the Nets.
One of these big time free agents is going to be a huge bust,
and it sure ain’t going to be Paul :P
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
those last few years of Pujols's contract
will be terrible, but if he gets them to a world series or two, I think its ok.
horrrible
way to much size to give up for a point guard! plus if we get omeka has some are saying then trade him and bynum for dwight,that leaves us woth no size other then dwight!
by the fantasy king on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM PST reply actions
ok but then we'll have D12 CP3 AND Kobe
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
There's more to basketball than size my friend,
CP3 is the little man’s champ!
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 8, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Available FA PFs
David West and Troy Murphy are still available. Anyone heard about them?
sign and trade
with west would be legit..but I’m playing into fantasy and idk if it would be possible with the new CBA
Can someone explain
why the Hornets want two 30 year-old power forwards again?
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
if that's all we have to worry about
the celtics shouldn’t bother us
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
lmao
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Mitch Kupchak should get a statue outside staples
If we turn Pau, Odom, and Bynum into Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.
Shit just rename staples too...
"You said you was king, you lied through your teeth For that fuck your fillings, instead of getting crowned you're getting capped"
-Eminem
"Chris was simply the best I have ever seen. He would stay in the gym for hours, launching threes from everywhere inside halfcourt, in repetitions that spoke more of obsession than dedication. Chris practiced with fear, with a sort of cold sweated abandon, like he had been let out of hell to play ball one last time." -MATTHEW PIERCE
Dwight's message to Orlando
“I’m going to the Lakers now, and you can get Bynum, or I’m going in a year and you get nothing. And the Lakers could trade Bynum in a year for all sorts of things. You decide.”
This is an odd trade unless the Lakers have D12 lined up.
In which case, the NBA is rigged.
I don’t see how it is possible to land D12 with the assets they have left (in a fair world).
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
They have arguably the second best center in the league
along with multiple trade exceptions (Sasha & Walton) and 3 SFs, of which Orlando has none (besides Hedo, who would most likely be involved in the D12 trade). I think the assests match up quite well, all things considered.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
D12 to Bynum is a huge step down.
More than trade exceptions and MWP (amnesty candidate), Barnes, etc.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
The Magic are not going to get equal value for Dwight Howard.
They just aren’t. But they take the best deal that they can get right now, or they don’t get anything at all. Not many teams have better assets to offer than the Lakers do.
Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league?!!?!
I wouldn’t put him in the top 5
I wouldn't go that low, he's fairly solid.
There aren’t that many true centers anymore.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
It's not a fair world.
It’s the Laker’s world and everyone else is just living in it.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 8, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Hahah +1
"You said you was king, you lied through your teeth For that fuck your fillings, instead of getting crowned you're getting capped"
-Eminem
"Chris was simply the best I have ever seen. He would stay in the gym for hours, launching threes from everywhere inside halfcourt, in repetitions that spoke more of obsession than dedication. Chris practiced with fear, with a sort of cold sweated abandon, like he had been let out of hell to play ball one last time." -MATTHEW PIERCE
I can live with this statement.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
But this is the NBA
Where superstars hold their team hostage (Melo) or flat out lead their team on only to screw them (LBJ)
Where GMs won’t trade quality assets for a guy who refuses to sign a long term contract.
I can only imagine how Kobe's and CP3's phone call went,
Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring…
Kobe: Hello?
CP3: Yo Kobe, I’m calling to see if I should come play with you in LA.
Kobe: Da fuck? Don’t waste my time with this crap.
Hangs up.
Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring…
Kobe: Listen Chris, stop wasting my time son. How many rings did you hear before I picked up?
CP3: 5. Okay I’m coming to L.A. :)
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
lol nice
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
To me, this doesn't make much sense.
I haven’t followed the NBA as regularly, but why would Houston do this?
Seems like a lot for Pau.
Houston is very, very deep.
They always wanted to put together the pieces to get a superstar, and they did. Plus, they still have the cap space to pursue someone like Nene.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Remember how big the last skinny tall dude worked out for them?
They’re in the market for another :P And they’re a solid team full of role players and not yet there All Stars. They need that one franchise player to build around.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
I guess that makes sense.
They would essentially have a strong frontcourt like we did minus an outside player of Kobe’s skill level.
by broncodude793 on Dec 8, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows,
maybe Yao unretires and Houston will boast the skinniest dual 7 footers in the league and make history :)
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 8, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
If we get Okafor, I'm okay with this deal.
Still a solid defensive frontline, especially for the five games Paul will be out. We still have Bynum as a trade chip for Dwight, and until Otis Smith gets willing to trade Howard, Bynum is going to beast as the primary post option — definitely so after hearing about his bulking up and refining of his game at Freddie Roach’s gym — and become the primary trade chip for Howard near the trade deadline.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Err, five games Bynum* will be out.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I think Okafor has to be included
otherwise the money doesn’t match up. Either him or Ariza has to be in the deal, and knowing Mitch, he’ll push for D12’s future backup.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Best part about this? We can stop giving a shit about yearning for every semi-average point guard on the market.
Seeing as we have the best in the game. Fuck yes.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
What was that about Baron Davis?
about to be amnesty’d?
AMNESTY’D?
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
lmao. this.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
:D
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Plus, Paul is going to transform this team.
I’m really serious about this. By himself, he makes players around him better like no other point in the league save Nash. Even some of the substandard pieces of this roster could see a renaissance with Paul distributing to them. He is that good. On top of that, he is an explosive scoring force on his lonesome and forever solves our point guard defense problems.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
+1
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
In doing that
Lakers have lost their biggest advantage though. Last year the biggest problem with playing the lakers was the size and how many bigs they had. Pau, Odom, Bynum. Now the Lakers lose Gasol and Odom (not to mention Shannon Brown) and now we go from a deep big team to a much smaller and much shallower team.
Lose one advantage, gain another.
There’s more than one way to win a basketball game.
I don't think she'll fit it in Houston :(
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 8, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Couldn't keep relying on Bynum/Odom/Gasol
There was a lot of inconsistency there. And due to this inconsistency and injury problems, we had 3 players taking up the role of 2 players. Since Bynum has the potential to be the best of all three, we got the piece that would help him develop the most; a pick-n-roll pg.
Makes sense when you rationalize the trade like this.
Oh and there’s some dude in Orlando too we might need Bynum for…
Is this really a good trade?
Who’s going to guard guys like Bosh and Dirk now?
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
by WaveOcean on Dec 8, 2011 5:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I know right! That's the new reply to every question anyone has
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
I'm sorry, blue
No man alone can guard ZBo and Marc Gasol at the same time.
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS
Lakers fan since the first grade.
by smart_guy on Dec 8, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not done.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
Going against Melo, Amare, and Tyson Chandler in game 4 with
With a front court of Metta World Peace, Derek Caracter, and Luke Walton
urm
This is a bad trade for the Lakers this year, but a great one overall. Had to get younger for the future and losing 32 year old star for 26 year old is great move.
A 26 year old guy with cadaver knees
He literally has the knees of a dead person.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Did I miss something?
He had surgery to clean up a torn meniscus.
Oh well.
This trade is pretty terrible but I guess we have to get used to it.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM PST reply actions
lol I feel like that too.
But then I think “we just got the best pg” and mixed feelings arise.
by AV. on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
can u get howard
too this only works if u get howard too for byuim and spare parts
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