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Dwight Howard, Chris Paul Or Neither: A Look At The Lakers' Strategic Dilemma

It's a strange thing to contemplate but no less true for its strangeness: Andrew Bynum might have already played his last game as a Laker. By the time his five-game suspension ends, he could be learning a new playbook in New Orleans or adjusting to life with Stan Van Gundy in his ear. Bynum, of course, is forever in the middle of all significant trade rumors involving the Lake Show, and at the moment we've got a couple monsters. Mitch Kupchak has already spoken with the Hornets about a possible deal for Chris Paul. Unless Dwight Howard shocks everyone and signs an extension with the Magic, Mitch will soon be on the phone to Orlando as well. If either of these trades actually happens, Drew (as the only proven Laker who wasn't born during the Civil War) will be the choice asset that gets it done.

If you can resist getting swept up in all this, you're a more sober-minded person than I. Howard and Paul are among the best ever at their positions. The former would join Mikan, Wilt, Kareem and Shaq in the super-elite Laker big-man club. The latter plays point guard better than anyone since number 32. And neither is even 27 years old yet so for once we could start to imagine how the franchise intends to compete in a post-Kobe world.

But which of these guys would you choose? Forget for a second the reports about the Lakers hoping to acquire both. Assuming the Lakers could land one of them but not both, which one should the main target? Or just maybe.... they shouldn't be chasing either?

Last night the SS&R pimp crew met at our usual spot (a Yoshinoya in Van Nuys) to swap informed opinions on this question. Read what each of us thinks after the jump and let us know what you're thinking as well. This is a big issue that will swing the future of the Lakers, and that future could be here before you know it.

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Ben Rosales: #teamdwight

Dwight Howard should be the Lakers' primary focus, if only because he is a safer option and foundation to build upon. While Howard has been all but indestructible these last few years, the meniscus tear Paul suffered during the ‘09-‘10 season evokes worrisome comparisons with Brandon Roy and how debilitating that kind of injury could be in the long-term. A trade of Bynum and Lamar Odom for Hedo Turkoglu and Howard is a straightforward, no frills upgrade for the Lakers, who would become a suffocating defensive team with Howard patrolling the middle and Mike Brown designing the scheme. It's also not outlandish to say that Howard would fit nicely in Brown's San Antonio-inspired offense, which would put Dwight on his spots on the block and is something he could definitely thrive in, especially with better offensive options around him than in Orlando. A Kobe/Howard pick-and-roll? Combining the NBA's best roll man (per PPP) with Kobe coming off a pick? Scary stuff. Moreover, Howard himself softens the impact of losing Odom through the simple act of staying upright and playing more minutes than Bynum, making Odom's presence as a super-sub somewhat superfluous. Even Turkoglu, who would be hoist upon the Lakers to help Orlando clear cap space, has some utility, as he would become the Lakers' best perimeter shooter and is a capable pick-and-roll operator who can manage Mike Brown's more traditional offense. The Lakers would still have to sign at least two players to fill the rotation in the frontcourt, but there are a number of serviceable big men likely available in free agency and the bar set for them -- stay upright for 10-15 minutes a night and don't be a disaster -- is pretty low. The Lakers were connected to Josh McRoberts by ESPNLA the other day, and while he might command part of the mini MLE, he would be a solid pickup. Same with Troy Murphy or Jason Smith at the four or Joel Przybilla, Aaron Gray, Jeff Foster, Alexis Ajinca, or even Kwame at the five. All would be fine for the Lakers' purposes as they move forward with a more standard frontcourt rotation. Altogether, the benefit of this trade is that there is relatively little risk involved. Howard has shown that he is a dominant player, is still only 25 years old - think on that for second - and he would provide a rock solid building block for the future.

Paul, on the other hand, has a number of red flags. There is no question that if he was still the same player from ‘07-‘08, we wouldn't even be discussing this, but Paul's overall efficiency numbers have since dropped from "transcendent and historic" to "very, very good." Three to four years down the road, the Lakers could be severely disadvantaged if Paul requires microfracture surgery or similar to repair his knees, and while the Lakers likely won't be title contenders then unless they overhaul more of their core, part of the reason for making a move like this is to position the Lakers not only to win in the short-term, but provide a basis around which the Lakers can retool for their next title run. This noted, the Lakers' clearest need for years definitely has been at point guard, and Brown's offense requires a more traditional one orchestrating the offense. I don't think it's a stretch to say that even a diminished Paul could have a bit of a career renaissance with stellar offensive options such as Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol alongside him. The Lakers could also fill the hole in the frontcourt by taking on the contract of Emeka Okafor, who is an above average defensive player. As a result, the defense will likely be as sturdy as ever, especially with Paul, an All-Defense performer, providing a salve for the Lakers' long-standing weakness against scoring point guards. The offense will also obviously benefit from having the league's best backcourt, and Paul dishing to him probably extends Kobe's career by a few years. The Lakers would presumably fill the spots in the frontcourt same as in the Howard scenario.

The wrong choice here, however, IMHO, is going for neither. It's true that this is still a championship core and they're very much in the title chase. That said, you don't get these opportunities to upgrade in such a dramatic fashion in the middle of a team's title window, and it's fair to say that there won't be another opportunity to do so. Both improve the team in the short-term, and with a new coach coming in, there's no better time to retool the roster, even with the shorter training camp and regular season. I'm more inclined towards the Howard trade because I think Howard is a safer piece to build around - he proved in Orlando that he can make a bunch of poor defenders into a top 10 defense on his lonesome, he's never had injury troubles, and again, he's a top five player at age 25. There's still room for improvement, mind-boggling as that is. As for Paul, he requires more work to build a roster around him and there's always the risk of his knee issues resurfacing, but when it comes down to it, he's a top five player who has never had the opportunity to play with the type of offensive players he'll have as teammates in L.A. In both trades, the Lakers can fill the holes in the frontcourt rotation, and it wouldn't be remiss to say that the Lakers would be a pretty quality location after such a trade in any case. The Lakers have a chance to change their fortunes in a dramatic fashion after last season's playoff debacle, and it behooves them to take advantage of it.

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WildYams: #teamdwight

Obviously adding either Dwight Howard or Chris Paul to the Lakers would be a slam dunk (provided the Lakers don't have to loot the store to get either guy), and I even think it's not too terribly remote to think the Lakers could wind up getting BOTH players, although that would probably require both Dwight and CP3 to basically demand being traded to LA. But since we're not talking about what it might take to get both and are instead talking about which of the two should the Lakers focus most of their efforts on, in my opinion the Lakers should make Dwight Howard their top priority.

My reasoning for the Lakers going after Howard instead of Paul is not necessarily related to me thinking Howard is a better player than Paul, however, but is more about what the Lakers would most likely still have left on the team after acquiring either player. Since the Hornets have Emeka Okafor at center, the odds are they would not be interested in getting Andrew Bynum in exchange for Paul, even if Lamar Odom came as part of the package. No, my guess is they'd be more interested in a deal centered around Pau Gasol (possibly also with Odom included), and this would be too much for the Lakers to give up, I think, as it would leave L.A. with a totally depleted front line. Orlando, on the other hand, would be out a center, and therefore probably would be far more willing to take Bynum (and probably Odom) in return for Howard. This would leave the Lakers with Dwight and Pau up front to go along with Kobe, Artest, Barnes, Fisher, etc.

I think we're all pretty well aware of what both Dwight Howard and Chris Paul could bring to the Lakers overall, and can easily see why the Lakers would want either player. I just think that if you're gonna have to give up Pau Gasol and possibly Odom to get Paul, that's only worthwhile if you can simultaneously land Dwight Howard in a trade for Bynum (which definitely is a longshot, but both trades probably could be worked if both Paul and Howard demanded that their teams deal them to the Lakers). So there you go, my vote is for Dwight Howard.

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Actuarially Sound: #teamdwight

My vote would be for Dwight Howard.

My sincerest apologies to Chris Paul, but you sir are no Dwight Howard. I wrote last year why Dwight Howard should have been the MVP over Derrick Rose. It only makes sense that I feel the Lakers' primary focus should be to obtain the league's best player when they have a real opportunity to do so.

"Defense wins championships" is a phrase we're all too familiar with and no player in the league has the defensive impact that Howard does. There are quite a few lock-down defenders in the league but most of the "locking down" pertains to the individual they are guarding. Howard on the other hand locks down the entire opposition. The Magic have been in the top three in defensive efficiency in each of the last three years, a remarkable feat considering they have no above-average defender outside of Howard. Everyone in the league recognizes this and that is why he is the reigning three-time Defensive Player of the Year.

What people fail to recognize is how much he contributes on offense. Two years ago the Orlando Magic had a higher offensive efficiency than our mighty world champion Lakers. Howard demands a double team more than any other player in the league and showed significant growth with his post moves last year. Surround him with players that can make an open shot and he will test any defense. He has carried Orlando to an NBA Finals and made them a perennial title contender without a teammate anywhere close to the caliber of Kobe Bryant or Pau Gasol, let alone both.

The biggest reason to get Howard though is that he is simply the perfect cornerstone on which to build a franchise. He is dominant on both ends of floor, he has a clean and marketable image, and he shows up every day to work. That last part is key, especially compared with the injury history of one Andrew Bynum. Howard missed four games last season (two due to suspensions and two due to the flu) and those four games were more than he missed in his first six seasons combined. He has missed a grand total of seven games in seven seasons. The bigger a player is the more games they will likely miss due to wear and tear on the body. Howard bucks that trend. He truly is Superman.

Howard and a bunch of role players will always be a playoff team. Give him a halfway decent cast and they will be a title contender. Give him teammates like Kobe and Pau Gasol and titles are almost certain to follow. That's why Dwight Howard should be Lakers' primary focus.

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Saurav Das - #teamcp3

My vote would be for Chris Paul. It seems quickly forgotten how good Chris Paul can be - only a few years ago he was in MVP contention with Kobe and LeBron. The man is the ultimate point guard, something the Lakers have not had since the days of Magic. With the abandonment of the Triangle and the aging of Kobe, the Lakers need a new ball-handler and a stopgap option won't cut it. I also think the issue with Chris Paul's knee is overblown. The inconsistency in his play seemed due to lethargy at having to play on a team that had gone backwards over the past few seasons and had no chance of any serious accomplishment. The knee issues were an easy out. With the Lakers, there would be no excuse for such lethargy.

That aside, as great as Dwight Howard is, we currently have a premier frontline, still arguably the best in the league and as the colloquialism goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I would love to have Dwight, as he's likely a better long-term option than Paul, but the Lakers are still in a win-now position in the latter years of Kobe's career, and I believe bringing in Paul to take over primary ball-handling responsibilities and preserve Kobe's legs will be a greater benefit to that end; not to mention his addition bringing some desperately-needed shooting ability from deep. Plus, I haven't entirely lost faith in Bynum's ability to stay healthy and achieve has potential... some day.

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C.A. Clark: #teamneither

I vote for neither. Fundamentally, it is pretty stupid to be against the acquisition of either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Both players are game-changers in different ways. Howard does it by being a one-man wrecking crew on defense, and Paul does it by orchestrating an offense better that Maria Von Trapp performs The Lonely Goatherd. They are both amazing players, and the Lakers would be lucky to have either one on their team, even if it cost a couple big pieces to make the deal happen. So why the nay vote? Because of the significance a move for either player would make.

Put simply, I'm not ready to give up on this era of team just yet. This team, this current team with a core of Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom, is one year removed from being a two-time champion. Yes, they flamed out in embarrassing fashion last year, and the nature of that flame out hints at the possibility of this team having outlived their shelf life. But I think back to that blissful stretch of games last season, when the Lakers went 17-1 with a dominant defense and an efficient offense down the stretch. For those 18 games, we saw the Lakers as they intended to be seen. That wasn't some fluke of scheduling, or some random streak of luck. For nearly a quarter of a season ,including some of their most difficult stretches of schedule on paper, the Lakers played as a cohesive unit, and dominated the league.

Where did that team go? How is it that the same group of guys got run out of the building four straight times in the second round of the playoffs? The answers to those questions remain a mystery. Maybe the team chemistry really did go south. Maybe the complacency of two straight titles killed the Lakers' hunger. Maybe three straight seasons of 100+ games caught up with an aging team and they ran out of gas. Maybe God decided to grace Dirk Nowitzki with a run for the ages (a circumstance, by the way, that makes me smile but for the necessity of the Lakers having been defeated so badly to accommodate it). Maybe all those factors at once. Or maybe all the doomsday statements that have emanated from that second-round sweep are true. Maybe the Lakers are too old, too unathletic, too et cetera, et cetera. All I know is, for 18 games the Lakers' athleticism, defensive cohesion and collective willpower were more than enough to seemingly strike fear in everybody's hearts once again. Now this team is well-rested and made hungry by the fact they are not the ones with the target of defending champ on their back.

So why not improve their chances even more by obtaining another NBA superstar? Because you have to field a full team of players, and the Lakers are already extremely top heavy. Outside of the core of Bryant, Bynum, Odom and Gasol, there isn't a single player on this roster that you can be excited about taking the court. And while either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard would be an awesome addition, there's no way either one can be had without losing two of those four players, meaning the Lakers would be reduced to a Big Three of their own. A move for Paul or Howard is a move for the future, and a damn smart one. But I think a move for either player, unless it is an incredibly advantageous move for the Lakers, would make a championship this season less likely. A veteran squad like the Lakers cannot just reinvent itself completely on the fly. As it is, with Phil Jackson and the Triangle offense already out of town, that ship might already have sailed, but if the team pulls the trigger on some kind of two-for-one deal, leaving the Lakers with three stars and a bunch of the same veterans to fill in the gaps, all while trying to learn new offensive and defensive systems on the fly in a shortened season? It just seems like asking too much.

Adding Howard or Paul might seem like a no-brainer, especially from a business perspective. With either player, the future is bright. But there are times when you just have to bite the bullet and say "To hell with the future." For me, this is one of those times. Kobe Bryant makes it one of those times. Howard and Paul are amazing, but neither one will end up with the legacy that Kobe Bryant already has, and he deserves every chance to improve upon that legacy. When Kobe Bryant is on your team, there are no smart business moves to be made. The only thing you should be thinking about is how to make one last score.

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Dexter Fishmore - #teamdwight

Heading into this exercise I thought trading for Dwight would be uncontroversially the Lakers' best move. I still think it's the right strategy but my certainty has been dented by the fine points made in favor of CP3 and standing pat. Whatever happens, I won't be outraged.

The only thing I'd add to the exhaustive discussion above is that I'm more bullish on the Kobe-Dwight chemistry than the Kobe-CP3 chemistry. Kobe has loads of experience playing alongside a dominating post man but none (outside of the Olympics) with a point guard who needs the ball in his hands. You know those Miami Heat possessions from last season when either Dwyane Wade or LeBron James would do an iso from the top of the key while the other just stands there in the corner? I could see a version of that with Kobe and Paul. Meshing his game with Dwight's would be more frictionless.

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wondahbap - #teamdwight

Dwight Howard, easily. I think the basketball reasons are fairly obvious, and I'm sure one of our esteemed writers will explain this in fine detail, so I'll leave it to them. All on-court reasons aside, I think Dwight WILL be a Laker because it's just too good for business. It's my thinking that the extend and trade exception that the owners supposedly "conceded" at the last minute really had nothing to do with giving back to the players once the union disclaimed. I believe the sign and trade exception was kept to get Dwight to LA as fast as possible.

I won't believe for a second that the NBA is looking forward to anymore 'Melo situations. Seriously, we just suffered through a 149-day lockout because the owners were intent on taking control from the players. Months of hammering, threats, and ultimatums. If LeBron's decision fiasco was the kick starter to the owners desire to limit franchise player movement, then the "'Melo-Drama" in Denver had to be the straw that broke the camel's back. No way the owners, who were so intent on crushing the players during the lockout, wanted to just hand over the very tool the players started using to hold franchises hostage.

So why did they keep the extend-and-trade? Could be because it allowed the Lakers to go along with the raised luxury tax rule and revenue sharing. You think the Buss family cares if Sacramento's owners starve their franchise to the bone? There were widespread rumors of division between the owners, and what other reason could there be besides how to divide money, which the Lakers have tons of. Very simply, the other teams wanted the Lakers to pay more for what they have. To share the wealth. None of the new tax rules, or revenue sharing plans affect a team more than the Lakers, who can and will always spend. If I'm Dr. Buss, I'm steaming mad that I'd have to share my money with the poorer teams. With deep pockets (that just got a hell of a lot deeper with their new TV deal), the Lakers owe it to their fan base to spend. They will, and the other teams like the Kings might profit more off the Lakers than themselves. The NBA is a lot more popular when the Lakers do well. So, if the Lakers were going to be forced to pay out more money, damn straight they want to be sure they can grab super-star free agents when they have a chance to...like now.

Other than the fact that Dwight is a beast, why else would the Lakers want D12? They have a 25 year/$5 billion TV deal to fulfill with Time Warner. Kobe's 15 seasons in and winding down just as this deal kicks in. It's time for the Lakers to look towards the future. To return a very large investment. Excluding Michael Jordan, the Lakers have always had the biggest star in the sport. Mikan, Jerry, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, and Kobe. No disrespect to Bynum, but I think we'd all agree that his star will never be as big as what it takes to have the #1 job in the NBA on the league's glitziest team.

Imagine Kobe suffers a major injury (God forbid). What then? I want you to imagine what this team looks like as presently constructed without Kobe. Now imagine what it would look like if Dwight were here and Kobe went down. No disrespect to Andrew, but I'm sure you are seeing two very different pictures, and the latter seems much more promising. No doubt the Lakers have also considered this, especially because it means millions of dollars. Even if Kobe stays relatively healthy until it's time for him to retire, eventually he has to retire. As Chuck would say: "Father Time is undefeated." The Lakers can't just assume that the next superstar will be standing right in line when the time comes for Kobe to say bye-bye. You jump on these opportunities when you can. They've already missed the boat on LeBron because of timing. You probably just read that last statement and threw up in your mouth, thinking I'm crazy. But if you believe for a second that the Lakers didn't have some serious, very quiet consideration into that possibility, you're lying to yourself (they jettisoned Shaq's lazy ass because they could). Kobe was/is too good, and definitely too powerful for that to ever be more than a wishful thinking. Dwight? It's good for Kobe and the timing is right.

What the Lakers have isn't broken, and Andrew Bynum is a fine player - but superstar, he's not. And we know Pau can't carry the Lakers on or off the floor. Superman Redux could. Nothing against Drew. I love his game, and think he'll only improve. If he remains a Laker, I'll be more than happy, but this is Dwight freakin' Howard we're talking about. Dwight affects a very large bottom line that Andrew Bynum may never be able to replicate. Not only does his presence on the court make this an obvious move, but business dictates it. I'm 100% positive in my belief that Dwight will be a Laker within one week.

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id go with howard...

its the logical choice. if your going to trade a couple of bigmen, then get another in return. not big for small. im sure there are some servicable pg’s out there for the taking than just paul.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 6, 2011 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly

Give me Dwight and Hedo’s toxic contract (that we can’t amnesty), give Orlando Bynum, Artest, Walton, sign and trade Brown if you have to to make the money work or give them Blake. LO stays here, because regardless of what everyone says, we need a dependable back-up and LO is our guy. We got in trouble when Pau was ineffective, Bynum was hurt, and LO was in foul trouble. Let’s not make that same mistake. Get a true center from the clearance bin and go after Luc Richard Mbah a Moute as our starting SF (sorry Ron Ron) and trade for Ramon Sessions (trade exception) plus give Cleveland Caracter and we have the makings of a championship team. This is just my opinion.

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by Busboys4me on Dec 7, 2011 4:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Starters
C Howard
PG Sessions
SG Kobe
SF Mbah a Moute
PF Gasol

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Fisher, Odom, Turkoglu, Barnes, Ebanks, Morris, (Aaron Gray, Kwame, or McRoberts), and (Azubuike, Goudelock, or my dream Afflalo). Seems about right.

Great players win games. Great teams win championships.

by Busboys4me on Dec 7, 2011 4:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Without a doubt Howard has to be it. I wouldn't trade CP3 for bynum.

Mainly for one point. The Lakers 2nd biggest asset behind Kobe is their size. We are forgetting that interior presence on both ends of the floor has been the biggest contributors besides talent to winning a title since MJ retired. Teams stacked up to beat the Lakers for that purpose. If it wasn’t for their size, the Lakers don’t beat the Celtics in 09 and Orlando in 2010. Even the Mavs, who never had that interior defense won because of T. Chandler’s presence. Giving that up by trading for CP3 is not something that is worth sacrificing the Lakers size advantage for.

I guess if the Lakers don’t get Howard I would say keep the team as it is. Next year, the Lakers will have enough cap space to worry about sigining a player for the future. Right now, I want them to focus on the present and Kobe’s legacy of winning as much as possible.

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by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder if either of these guys

can fix the fundamental problem that the Lakers have which in my mind is mental focus, as we saw last year when we are focused and healthy we are unbeatable… I loved the meltdown that occurred in OKC, it showed that everyone can succumb to the pressure of playing at the level required to contend. I would hate to trade for one or both of these guys only to have the same type of mental letdown that happened late last year, or the year before when we went in looking for all the world like the most dysfunctional team ever. Granted, we won that year but i think everyone would agree that that is not a model to follow. given all that and the fact that I had resigned myself to no NBA at all, let me just say…YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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by Gazoo on Dec 6, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

You guys eat at Yoshinoya?

This ruins all of SS&R’s credibility. Yoshinoya?!!!

by BruinFan1 on Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

It's all good.

I ate at Urasawa before driving up to Van Nuys.

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by Ben R on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Ben R on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

sigh...yoshinoya..

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by LOOOeee on Dec 6, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

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by lakerdynasty on Dec 6, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

#teamboth

and bring back ammo and lewis monroe to shore up the bench

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by Czheck on Dec 6, 2011 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

#teamHoward

A 3 of Howard/Pau/Kobe >> CP3/Pau/Kobe

I’m LA will try to get both, but I can’t see that happening.

by Michael_Necci on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

just watched espn...

and realistically, it is impossible to see the lakers grabbing both, acorrding to shein, steven a smith, and tim legler. i know its there opinions, but they had a point. surely, the hornets, and magic are going to want more than just bynum/odom, or bynum/ gasol. there both going to want all 3.

but legler had another point in saying, that if both howard, and cp3, both told there teams…“los angeles is the ONLY team i want to go to”…then they up the pressure, and both the hornets/magic would have to give in at some point, and take less, or risk losing them 2 outright.

but if the lakers had enough to grab one, im on howard all the way. like i stated earlier, there are other servicable pg’s that could come in and help. that is if they retaine blake. i think the pg they drafted from michigan’s going to be a good one.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Otis is on crack if he thinks hes gwtting odom pau n bynum for howard. Id do any combination of bynum and… But not in ny,wildest dreams would I trade all three. And paul seems to be gwtting too much hype. Three bigs for a pg? Really?

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by chaucer on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

All 3?

Yeah, fuck that

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by Hdg23 on Dec 6, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Cp3 please

For Bynum but I really wanna see Gasol bounce, I’m tried of his ass

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by BrittneyM on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

We can get both

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ca7gh7b

Orlando keeps its defense solid with both bynum and okafor and can use the amnesty on arenas saving more money. NO gets a good front line with gasol and odom. We can throw in a couple of picks as well.

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by bjk1903 on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

eww

who plays PF – some scrub from the streets?

Having Pau + Bynum or Dwight + Pau is way better than having Dwight + CP + Random Scrub PF

by rshinsec on Dec 6, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

ummm i think having CP3-Mamba-D12 will offset any scrub playing PF

plus you can sign a decent PF for mini MLE or vet min. Anyone would love to play for a team with those 3 guys. Lets be honest, Kobe is not going to play forever and we need to think about the future. With CP3 and Howard on the team, you already have the PG and C position locked for years. So in a couple of years when the Lakers will have plenty of cap space, you can sign whoever you want.

by bjk1903 on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

You'd make a good salesman

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by Hdg23 on Dec 6, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

#teamdwight

Dwight is a force that when he’s on he cannot be singled covered, and defensively I don’t think a player has a bigger influence on the court than he can. CP3 is still the best PG imo, but im not a fan of trading a big for a small, and if LA has to take a ridiculous contract i prefer it to be Hedo over Okafor .

The defense on PG’s will still be bad of course, but in the West after CP3, Westbrook is the most athletic/offensive driven PG and I would love for him to get anywhere near the paint with D12 there.

by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

said this before

cp3/kobe/pau is >>> kobe/pau/drew/odom/ and equal to if not better than, to kobe/pau/howard

having howard will take away a lot from pau’s game and not to mention the gaping hole that is at PG.

fish is the worst point guard in the league, but it wasn’t a big deal because of the triangle offense but now…he has no value expect

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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.

by YoungMoney24 on Dec 6, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

#teamdwight

Getting Howard would be dreamlike.

Be Athletic.

by thestuff01 on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm with CA

I’m concerned that people don’t realize/forget how good Bynum is.

Bynum is Dwight, except with better offense. He’s completely capable of being an absolute BEAST defensively, and maybe with Mike Brown’s new schemes will realize that D first, then O.

No one else will be able to pull Dwight out of Orlando this year besides the Lakers. Play this season and if it doesn’t work out, sign Dwight and then trade Bynum for an elite PG.

Best of both worlds.

by rshinsec on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

bynum CAN be a beast...

but realistically…can you really count on him for the whole season healthy……..? send him out while he’s still relativly healthy.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 6, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Bynum is def not = to Dwight at all

Bynum has a bit more range and a better FT%, but Howard is basically better @ everything else. He is more effecient offensively, better rebounder (Howard rookie season = Bynum best season), better defender in all ways, quicker, more agile, and doesn’t get hurt.

Your hoping that Bynum will improve, theres no hoping with Howard. Bynum has the capabilities of being beast, Howard is already BEAST and he can play full minutes. And if Bynum can improve under Brown’s new schemes, why can’t Howard get EVEN BETTER.

Also how would we trade for an elite PG with Bynum next year anyway? CP3 will either be a free agent (and he’ll prob go to NY) or be traded at that point. If all we have to give up is Bynum to get Howard then it better get done, because Howard is elite, Bynum is very good.

by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Howard is ready now and proven plus being in LA will improve Howard’s already better then average offensive game. I don’t think we need that “elite” PG. Especially if we have to get small to do it. Don’t get me wrong, I like Bynum but I would trade him for Howard in a heartbeat.

by kingofatlanta on Dec 7, 2011 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree If I could look into the future and know Bynum would be healthy

I would go with Paul. The way I look at it upgrading from a healthy Bynum to D Howard is like going from a high end Mercedes to a Rolls Royce. It’s definitely an upgrade but outside of the name brand, the gap is overstated.

Going from the Fisher/Blake combo to Chris Paul is like going from a 1988 Ford Escort with 200 K miles to a Rolls Royce. In fact it’s actually unfair to the Ford Motor company to make analogies that involves their vehicle to the basketball talent gap of Laker point guards and Chris Paul.

Having said ALL that we just can’t count on Bynum to stay healthy and he’s one more major knee injury away from being damaged goods, so I would trade Bynum for D12 while the getting is good (assuming NO would rather the Gasol/Odom package).

by Archon on Dec 6, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

We forget

Because he doesn’t play. And also, Bynum has lately been showing how childish he is i.e. parking in handicap spaces, cheap-shotting little people like JJ Barrea. I think LA is too much for this kid and he needs to be somewhere where they wont scrutinize him as much. Howard on the other hand is ready for the spotlight of LA and he’s a really likeable guy off the court. Not to mention his defense that the Lakers NEED.Bynum consistently looks clueless in the paint.

Next point, the Clippers, DO have enough to pull howard away form ORL. They have pieces that i think, make a better trade for the magic than the lakers can offer. The Lakers need D12 to say, i want to be wearing purple and gold (which he has if i remember right). So if the Lakers back out this season as far as the efforts to obtain D12, then I think we lose the chance forever.

by Allen M... on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

o_O

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by imposibol on Dec 6, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

#teamcaclark

i agree with the why loose 2 for 1 line of thinking…

by gen!e on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with this. If we are not going to get both

keep the team as is. I tried a trade and posted it above and it worked. So maybe we can do something along those lines.

by bjk1903 on Dec 6, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Well if we have to give two players to get D12

Orlando will prob send us Hedo, if we go for CP3 we prob give up Bynum and Odom and they might send us Okafor. Both Orl and NO want to get rid of those contracts,

by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

hard choice but # Team Dwight

I will say the gap between Dwight and Bynum isn’t all that big but Drew’s injury history is what tips the scales for me. On the other hand we might finally have a chance to get Fisher off the floor and trade Charmin Gasol for Paul. You trade for Howard n get the dpoy and all around monster but still have garbage at PG. Get Paul and tha garbage is gone but we’re depending on either an injury prone albeit very talented Bynum or A pushover in Gasol for tha future. I’m goin for Howard and hoping Morris can displace Fisher

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by EmmCeee on Dec 6, 2011 11:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

The gap between Bynum and Howard is actually pretty big.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

defensively Dwight is better

But Drew is light years ahead of him offensively. If it werent for his injury history we wouldnt b talkin about this deal. It would b what else do tha hornets want in addition to pau for Paul. But history isnt on his side so id make this deal

Da Bears....enuff said

by EmmCeee on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No way Dwight is light years ahead of Bynum.

A lot of Dwight’s offensive skill set is still very raw, where Bynum has worked with Kareem and has developed a very nice hook shot and other moves.

I think Dwight is the better player, but when healthy Bynum is right behind him.

Bamboozled.

by PoPs_737 on Dec 6, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Whoa, that's a bit of hyperbole.

Drew might have a very refined game, but Howard is no slouch on offense either. He’s learned how to use his agility to get open on running hooks and similar, and there isn’t a better big man in the game rolling to the rim off the P&R or on cuts. He also has had to deal with double teams way more frequently than Drew, be a much greater focus of his team’s offense, and he gets downright mugged next to the rim quite a bit. Drew is definitely really good, but Howard is as well.

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by Ben R on Dec 6, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Howard

Love CP3, but Howard would be too good to pass up. On the one hand, the Lakers are desperate for a quality PG, and it doesn’t get much better than CP3. On the other hand… they would be better served by having a solid, not all-star, PG, and Howard is simply a massive upgrade from Bynum.

Why has no one mentioned the possibility of landing Jameer Nelson in a Howard trade? Well, it’s probably not realistic, but it would solve a lot of issues. He would be a great fit there, I think.

Of course, landing both would be great. But the team would be gutted. Who knows how that would play out.

Kobe/Paul/Dwight? With a big 3 like that, a defensive coach in Mike Brown… the supporting cast doesn’t really matter all that much, as long as they’re not terrible.

by fopa101 on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

rec'd

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You just blew my mind good sir...

*knock on wood

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by Hdg23 on Dec 6, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

CP3 first imo. CP3 is still young and a true point guard first and foremost...

who can play good D and will get a good number of boards for a guard—the only thing with him is to make sure he is healthy. He can score a lot of points if needed to, but he would rather feed others especially on a team with real post up players (Bynum, Gasol, Kobe). He has never really had a back to the goal player in NO: not Chandler, not West—he does some this but only in spots, Landry could do the most but he was neutralized by the Lakers front-court as the series went on, not Oak, ect.).

I think Bynum when healthy showed he can be just as dominant with rebounding and D as Dwight as he was a big reason why the Lakers had their surge last year. He has a better post up game then D12 imo. He has nice touch on his turnaround and it is hard to stop him from getting position and to block it. The mean streak is not a bad thing either but he must control it—not the 80’s anymore.

Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:

"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

Centers like Dwight Howard are so rare...

take him and don’t think twice about it. Adaquate PG talent is far easier to come by. A decent point can run well with a Bryant, Odom/Pau, Howard lineup.
I know Mike Brown’s offense will require more of the PG, but look what the Lakers did with good pieces around an average point in Fish.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Dec 6, 2011 12:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed!

Chris Paul is so good, but Dwight is so rare! I’d take my chances on getting a decent to above-decent PG to go with a exceptional C, rather than the other way around.

Now Dwight just needs to exert a little leverage for a LAL trade. I can’t think of a better Christmas present than starting the season with him in purple and godl!

by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 6, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Coach Brown was on AM830 this morning

He’s pretty stoked about working with the awesome team we HAVE right now.
Of course, who wouldn’t be…
He says that all the guys are really focused in on redeeming themselves from last year’s “disaster” at the hands of the Mavs, and will do whatever it takes to get back on track. He mentions the additional work he will put the team through to help defensively.
He’s also really happy about Bynum’s potential, and not concerned with the trade rumors.

by Raaddad on Dec 6, 2011 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

It's Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa all rolled together...

for Mike Brown. He gets the current roster with perhaps a perennials DPOY in his stocking. Life’s good Coach Brown.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I kind of look at it this way...

If someone said you could have any center in the league, there would only be one choice.

If someone said you could have any point guard in the league, you might say…

Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Rondo? (maybe not)

Personally I like Williams better than Paul even though I am in the minority.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Dec 6, 2011 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

I with you on that one...

If there is a moment where we consider more then just CP3 then that just isn’t the player we should go for.

by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 6, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. The PG options are more open.

If history teaches us anything here it is that an elite big man is key to championships, but an elite point isn’t. It’s certainly fun to think about, but I’m not feeling the Paul vibe either. I’ll take Deron Williams size and skill set over Paul’s. Aquire Howard now and entice Williams in free agency if the Lakers want an elite PG.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think CP3 is a better overall pg than those others and agree that the others are not that far off,

but at the same time I think when healthy Bynum is just as good as D12 and for those who don’t think so, I would argue he is a close second. With that the Lakers have one of the best centers, so adding a the top pg who is still young first makes a lot of sense to me.

Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:

"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Dec 6, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

good point, then don't do it.

Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:

"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Dec 6, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

#teamdwight

I think as a Lakers fan I need to be honest with myself, and I admit Dwight Howard is the best center the league has seen since Shaq in his prime. I love Drew for what he has helped us accomplish, but he is NOT better than Dwight, and as talented as he is, he isn’t on Dwight’s level. Yes, when healthy, Drew is the 2nd best center in the league(Yao’s gone and Bogut hasn’t fully recovered), but the gap between 1st and 2nd is bigger than what most fans will admit. Drew blocks shots and changes shots, but I haven’t really seen him control a entire team on D like Dwight does. On offense Dwight and Drew are still improving, but even at this stage Dwight showed last year he can DOMINATE you. Also, I want to point out that in the past the majority of title teams have a dominate center or power forward, not a dominate point guard.

Lastly if I was asked, who would be the better player to build around, Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum? I wouldn’t hesitate saying the former, would you?

by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 6, 2011 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

Every Lakers fan should be giddy about...

the prospect of getting an elite big who actually wants to be in peak condition and not rest on the laurels of his talent alone.
Dwight faired better in ORL than Shaq did and he can certainly leave his own mark in L.A. without the worry of being in a certain chubby-former-Superman’s shadow.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Dec 6, 2011 12:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

all over espn.com and espn radio. lakers are trying to get BOTH howard and paul? really?

"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."

by chaucer on Dec 6, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

It's not that they're trying to get both that surprises me.

I’m just curious what kind of assets they have to bring to bear. What, is Luke Walton going to retire, and they’re going to use him as an expiring contract as well?

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Assets

The Lakers have the assets to get either in a value for value trade, assuming that their franchise decided for some reason to trade them.

But this is not a normal situation. These potential trades are being driven by the players, not the teams. Automatically that drives down the “value” of the players involved because everyone knows that they WILL be traded.

Plus, because of the way the contracts are structured and the way the CBA works, it is the players themselves who will get to decide. If both players demand a trade to the Lakers it WILL happen. And the Lakers, unlike any other team, actually have the assets to make for a credible swap for both without it turning into a fire-sale situation.

The other issue in play that might allow for the Lakers to acquire both is the simple fact that Paul does NOT have the value he did a couple of years ago. If we as fans can see that Paul’s knees are questionable, and if we can see that there multiple other players in the league who are as good, then it follows that the front office will see that CP3 is not worth as much as D12.

That means that it’s unlikely that there will be competing offers that are drastically better than what the Lakers can offer, especially when you factor in the veto the players have over the situation. Folks like to mention the Clippers, but I will eat my shorts if either player allowed a trade to a team like that, and that goes for many of the other teams with “superior” assets.

The only way I see that happening is if the teams are willing to trade for a player that will refuse to sign with them. And if they are, are they really willing to offer up the same assets that they would otherwise? Personally, I don’t think so.

by TFisher on Dec 6, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

who was our starting pf when shaq and kobe won threepeat?

"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."

by chaucer on Dec 6, 2011 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

hORACE GRANT and Horry.

I think.

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

A.C. GREEN!!!!!!

"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant

by desecrator09 on Dec 6, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Our Power Fowards were essential during the 3-peat

A.C. played 19 min per game in the ’00 playoffs, Horace 26 mpg in ’01 playoffs and Horry obviously hit all those 3s.

by LAL32 on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The only thing that makes me think none of this is gonna happen is the Lakers' propensity for secrecy when it comes to deals (i.e. Gasol).

You just never hear about anything before it happens so this is all very much out of character for this team.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

same here debbie downer. : )

It was the exact same thing when they got ariza. But if anything makes you feel better, when the Lakers got Shaq from the Magic, the season prior, there were already so many rumors that it was going to happen.

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean

it’s just the size of the player involved. Pau was a good player on an average team that had never won a playoff game. Not many people even knew he was on the trading blocks like that. For Dwight, folks have been counting down for him to be available since those terrible midseason trades that only put more pressure on him.

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by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, it just keeps me from being completely optimistic.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness

by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

lol I gotcha

I’m not optimistic. It’s a chance. I have my doubts and I have my hopes. They equal each other out for the most part.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hah. I was thinking the same as well

Hopefully we’re wrong though

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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius

by Hdg23 on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Chris Paul

Bone on Bone
Why dont the lakers pick up B-Roy also
No Brainer D-Wight

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

why? we already have Kobe

low blow?

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I didnt even think about Kobes knee

my apology is extended

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it'll take Gasol & Bynum to get Dwight

But I do think Bynum + likely Odom + pieces & picks might swing the trade.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

With all due respect

Odoms value is nowhere near what people at this site think it is, that being said I think it is still a good deal for the Lakers

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right the sixth man of the year is usually worthless.

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I forgot that Odom was the 6th man of the year last year

Orlando would probably jump at the opportunity

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really?

As a guy who likes the Suns & Lakers (Don’t ask), I can say with some certainty that Hedo pretty much can’t do much at this point in his career; he’s simply an albatross that nobody really wants. So, essentially, it’s Bass & Dwight and somebody who should be amnestied.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, I am simply speculating on what Orlandos demands may be

It is healthy for us to examine both ends of the spectrum
j

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Orlando can demand anything they want.

If Dwight makes clear he’ll only play for the Lakers, the Magic will either (A) be forced to take a lesser deal in order to get something, or (B) let Dwight walk.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Because that's worse than letting Dwight walk away.

It’s three bad contracts for playings with (severely) declining skills; if that’s the offer the Lakers are trying to force on the Magic, then the Magic won’t take it, because taking it would be worse than getting nothing.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Odom has always been valuable

and it’s only made him more known to be available to the Lakers. People think of him as an everyman defender, rebounder, and mismatch. That’s what he is. he can play on stretch 4s and post-up fours. he’s one of the best pnr defenders in the league and he’s a great off the dribble playmaker. The only problem with Odom is consistency and focus. Which other teams can factor in, but I don’t think it’s hard to say Odom is a very alluring pickup for teams needing to replace a frontline and keep it respectable

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Not if you can get the best Center BY FAR in the league

And get younger all at the same time (Yea I know technically Bynum is younger)

by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 6, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Except Odom's mobility is why we value him since

Pau and Bynum isn’t as mobile. With Dwight has Bynum’s size with the mobility like Odom

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

In my humble opinion

nobody besides the Karsmashians want Odom

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

fixed
In my humble trailblazer fan opinion

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, but they're your opinions.

Which inherently already include your bias.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I accept your analysis

but I do not agree that my opinion is that far off from what Otis Smith might propose

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He can propose whatever he wants.

End of the day, he hardly holds any of the cards.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No, but if it's the deadline and there's no other takers because Dwight won't resign with any other team

Then the Lakers are the ones holding all the cards. And that’s the point I’m trying to make; anybody can demand anything, but if their position within the negotiations is bad, they don’t need to hold their breathes.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

if it is why not just do this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ohoxw8
Who wouldnt want to play for the Lakers?

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Rose wants to run his own team, which is why he didn't court LeBron in the first place, and LeBron wants to be in Miami with Wade & Bosh.

Neither of those players are in any danger of going anywhere, because they’re both on long contracts, whereas Dwight’s will be expiring shortly.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand and respect your opinion

I just dont agree with the value you place on Odom

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't value Odom that much.

He’s had his best year, yes, but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and can’t find consistency as a starter, but I don’t think the Lakers will give up both Gasol & Bynum for Dwight, and will likely make the Magic choose between Gasol + Odom or Odom + Bynum.

That is to say, I don’t value Odom highly either, but it seems a likelier trade scenario.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Point taken

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Its not only Odom "the SMOTY"

but also Odom “the expiring contract”, that plays a role into the trade as well. And Odom/Bynum is better than the other rumored offering for Dwight

by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 6, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, you don't have to agree, it's just the way it is.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Rose cant even spell team

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheap shot, but Rose has to dominate the ball to be effective.

He likely wouldn’t be able to coexist with Kobe, at least not without one or both changing his game.

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by HaikenEdge on Dec 6, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

this comes from the dude with Brandon Roy on his team who couldn’t co-exist with a PG because he didn’t get enough isolation touches

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Him and Blake are BFF

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake?

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

SnowFlake

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Still makes no sense

Blake hasn’t been there. Roy had problems with Andre Miller and them changing the offense cuz he wanted more touches

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

oh ok

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He's referring to Andre Miller.

As Roy had to work off the ball whenever Miller came in since Miller couldn’t space the floor. Given that isolation-heavy units are typically shut down by better playoff teams and Roy is no exception, I’m pretty sure Roy figuring out to co-exist with Miller would have worked out better for the team as a whole than complaining about touches.

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by Ben R on Dec 6, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Who says?

I think it’s much like that, only we’re aren’t the ones playing the game. There’s billions on the line. They’ll do what they want. By they, I mean the NBA.

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by wondahbap on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

its cool. I was just teasing. everyone is welcomed here.

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

And some good teasing is healthy for the heart as well

I like what you say, and it is true that the Blazers are my favorite team, but being that I lived in LA for 6 years and alot of my family lives there, I am very familliar with Laker fan Dynamics

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by AbuFatimah on Dec 6, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

get dwight

get ramon sessions/baron davis. k.

Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.

by LOOOeee on Dec 6, 2011 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

Hmm, also:

I would go for Dwight since any PG pickup is an improvement on the status quo, but only Dwight is an improvement on Bynum.

Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.

by LOOOeee on Dec 6, 2011 5:38 PM PST reply actions  

we can probably keep gasol, go after dwight and sign baron davis (if he’s released). this would be nice too.

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by chaucer on Dec 6, 2011 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

What about this scenario?

Dwight to the Lakers, CP3 to the Clips. The Hallway Series would be HUGE.

Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin

by 82-0 on Dec 6, 2011 6:22 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Oh, and coming from a Clippers fan...

you do NOT want Baron Davis. Not very motivated, struggles to stay in shape, he can be a selfish player, and you’ll only get flashes of his true potential. You’ll spend every game wondering whether Good Baron will show up or Bad Baron will chuck his way through the game instead.

Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin

by 82-0 on Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM PST reply actions  

Right, except the difference is that Bad Baron is still miles better than any of our points.

Plus he’ll have Kobe in the same backcourt breathing down his neck to keep him in line, and he hasn’t really had a reason to give a shit ever since he left the Dubs, his last serious playoff squad.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Dec 6, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather see Baron chuck 6 3s

vs. Fisher flopping on long twos

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I've said this before

Even on a bad year he got a PER of 17.
Derek Fisher AND Steve Blake in their BEST years still haven’t gotten that. Hell, they probably didn’t even get that COMBINED last year.

Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.

by LOOOeee on Dec 6, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Derek Fisher and Steve Blake COMBINED last year was 16.4 and Baron alone was 17.0 last year

Your are 100% correct. You win! Oh wait… we are still stuck with two crap PG’s unless someone better is signed. We all lose, but fingers crossed.

by neokoros on Dec 6, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Baron shows up when he feels he can win and in LA that is a posibility

"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant

by Jelly Bean on Dec 6, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That attitude is shameful, and that's why people get so upset with him.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I say Dwight

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:27 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Lmao!
, Drew (as the only proven Laker who wasn’t born during the Civil War)

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by Hdg23 on Dec 6, 2011 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

im with ca (for now)

neither

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"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant

by bernel on Dec 6, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

I like Dwight

Drew has made it clear he wants to be the man now. If he stays here, he could kill team chemistry, run over Mike Brown, & start a feud with Kobe which could end really badly. If Drew goes to Orlando, he will get the chance he desires. If the Lakers can pull a Bynum/Odom for Howard/Bass deal, a lineup with Howard, Gasol, World Peace, Kobe, & Fish with a bench of Bass, Barnes, Morris, Blake, a random 3-point specialist (think Dunleavy or James Jones), & a Random Cheap Big (even the ghost of Chris Mihm would work here) would make us favorites for #17 this June. Mitch could even bring back AMMO for awkward high-fives, post-game brawls involving Spencer Hawes & overall fan morale.

F*** Fairness. F*** Happy Endings. F*** Bad PR. F*** Losing. F*** Guarding 3-point Shooters. These are the tenets of the Black Mamba.
- C.A. Clark (well, except for the last one .. I added that)

by Jason78 on Dec 6, 2011 6:56 PM PST reply actions  

Chris Mihm is retired from basketball. I think his ghost went with him.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep! This is one of the reasons why I want to trade Drew sooner rather than later.
Drew has made it clear he wants to be the man now. If he stays here, he could kill team chemistry, run over Mike Brown, & start a feud with Kobe which could end really badly. If Drew goes to Orlando, he will get the chance he desires.

I doubt he’ll be happy being our defensive anchor, he wants a bigger offensive role now. Which irritates me no end. Earn it, Drew, don’t just expect it! When you’ve missed as may games as he has (not his fault, but still!), you have to work your way into a position where people can feel comfortable depending on you as a main option. Drew is not there yet.

by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 6, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

CP3 is my all all time fav player,but..

I love the Lakers as well, and as much as I want my favorite player donning the jersey of my favorite team, we have to get Howard. Quoting one article I read on ESPN, the guy is a robot, end of story.

by One_Zero on Dec 6, 2011 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Dag everybody wants Dwight

Defense is needed, I can understand

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

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by BrittneyM on Dec 6, 2011 8:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

if only Dwight was a pf....

Then we could trade Gasol. I wonder if Fisher will b included in any deal….what a dream offseason that wud b

Da Bears....enuff said

by EmmCeee on Dec 6, 2011 9:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No one will take Fisher in a trade.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The santa barbera retirement home

contacted me as Fish’s representative and said they are willing to trade Denture cleansing solution to Jerry in order to have Fish come be their representative

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL, that's wrong and you know it. You should be ashamed.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I know not what happened

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Da Bears....enuff said

by EmmCeee on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

anyone think the magic would b willing to part with nelson

Fisher goes to bench or orlando and we get a pretty good PG to pair with tha Mamba for tha 1st time in a long while

Da Bears....enuff said

by EmmCeee on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'd be careful

I am on the band wagon with Clark. Sure the players talked about in the trade are terrific, how ever, the Lakers lost because of the bench, the ten minutes or so they played. Many games last year we had 12 pt. leads give or take a few pts. and when the starters went back in we were down by six. Even with as bad as point guard is, the fact is we were very competitive. I fear if we give up one player to many to get this deal done, its not going to work in our favor. I only trade Bynum straight across for Howard, no Odom or Gasol in the deal. And I would never trade Gasol for Paul. This team needs a bench 1st, and a decent Point guard. Anyone else on the Lakers is expendable.

by snob on Dec 6, 2011 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

Lakers didn't lose because of the bench.

Gasol didn’t do shit in the post-season; worse against New Orleans than Dallas, but remember Phil Jackson thumping him in the chest during the Mavs series. Fisher was no good, Artest was no good, LO and Andrew were serviceable, Kobe gave it his all but just couldn’t pull it off. Although the bench sucked, the starters did their part to get the sucking going.

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You are right about sub par or dis-interested play by the starters, how ever the bench play in their 10 minutes on the court destroyed any hopes the Lakers had of beating elite teams. I certainly would not let getting Howard or Paul, and giving up to much to get them, cloud our judgement, if you do not address our bench, I do not care who we get, we are not going to the finals. Howard for Bunum & no other Laker bigs, OK. Odom for Paul, and throw in scrap players, OK, but not Gasol for Paul. No way.

by snob on Dec 7, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Gasol playing like crap destroyed the Lakers' title hopes.

Bad bench play can be overcome in the playoffs, as it was for the previous two title runs, when your starters, who are all playing more minutes in the playoffs, compensate for it. With a bad bench, we couldn’t compensate for Pau under-performing, but no bench in the league would have been able to do so. In any case, if you have a chance to get two of the league’s top five players in their prime while still keeping your best player (Kobe), then you do it and worry about the consequences later, especially a pair like Paul and Howard who could have tremendous synergy with one another.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Dec 7, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

in this parallel universe where you could choose one of them

I’d like to have CP3. Its been a long long time since we’ve had an elite point guard, and I’m personally kind of tired of seeing so much mediocrity at the position last several years (yes, I know we ran the triangle). He took us 6 games with a terrible supporting cast, which makes me wonder how good the offense would be if he was setting up Kobe for off-the-ball looks and throwing Pau some lob passes. Plus, we all know Buss is very fond of showtime.

by shaqfor3 on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

lol

the phrasing of this made me laugh.

I’m personally kind of tired of seeing so much mediocrity at the position last several years

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 7, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

No, not that it's bad writing

just that the phrasing was so perfectly put that I could practically taste the disdain for the players at the position lol

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco

by Marty Mart on Dec 7, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

They have a 25 year/$25 billion TV deal to fulfill with Time Warner.

lol, it’s $5 billion/25 years wondah. We could sign every one of our players to max contracts and pay luxury tax up the wazoo if Buss was getting a billion dollars a year from the media deal.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Dec 7, 2011 4:11 AM PST reply actions  

lol yeah, the valuation of the entire franchise is only $643 million

Which feels low to me, If i had a billion dollars sitting around, I know what I’d try to do with it.

by neokoros on Dec 7, 2011 4:20 AM PST up reply actions  

#TeamHoward

I just wouldn’t was to see trading size for a PG. Paul is not the second coming of Magic Johnson.

by kingofatlanta on Dec 7, 2011 6:52 AM PST reply actions  

He's closer to Magic than any other point has been for the past two decades.

There’s only one real comp. for the numbers Paul put up in in ‘07-’08 and ‘08-’09: Magic Johnson.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Dec 7, 2011 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

LIES!!!!!

LeBRON JAMES IS THE SECOND COMING OF MAGIC JOHNSONELEVENONETWELVE!!!!!!111one

You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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by SoCalGal on Dec 7, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm happy

the game is afoot, happy I’m a Lakers fan, happy to write something in this space and happy to be pondering such weighty issues. I knew I picked the right team at 8 years old in 1968. No other team"s fans have the blessings and advantages that we have. HeHeHe.
Since last year I have believed in keeping the core intact for many reasons. But now that the time for moves is truly at hand; I am forced to conceed that the D12 option is best for the short and long term. Especially the long.
Every post from our leaders make great points and analysis. For me, I’ll be content with any potential result; because we will be in contention regardless.
Random thoughts/opinions. I thought it was evident throughout the course of last season that the fire and cohesiveness necessary to 3peat was just not there. It was a variety of forces aligned against us. The motivation and will that could be summoned by the players and coaches, including Phil; was not enough to overcome the toll which was taken by the previous 3 years efforts. Our core has proven that they have the skills to get it done. Kobe was hurting. Couldn’t really drive the team, in practice and otherwise. Phil had lost his masterful effectiveness with this group. Players were distracted by other ambitions or injuries.
I believe Bynum is on the cusp of domination, period. (if healthy, maybe a big if). Being 3rd fiddle is not ideal for his growth. Howard already is dominating; and he is enigmatic and a hard worker. In keeping with marketing advantages and being desirous of having the premier player in the league (or as close to it as possible) for our team – we must have D12. In truth, he is tailor made for LA and the Lakers. And he’s healthy, and 25? I’d rather have Nelson than Turkaglue. I’m not so sure about giving up quality bigs for CP3 and his funtioning alongside Kobe. However, I wouldn’t moan about having CP, Kobe, and Pau (or Andrew) as a core. Pau is better at center than he is at power forward. He just needs to be rested periodically.

I will die a Lakers fan
"All glory is fleeting" - Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

by midnightrider1961 on Dec 7, 2011 8:18 AM PST reply actions  

Team Neither

Paul is an easy no. Dwight is a much more difficult no. But a large part of the reason for the Laker’s dominance was that the constant stream of 7 footers pretty much overwhelmed other teams, including the Magic with Dwight Howard. The only way I see that team losing is if the other team can hit a boatload of threes. The Lakers ran into that team that hit a boatload of threes and lost a series where when they were down 0-3 they still had actually made more fieldgoals than their opponents. That had never happened before in an NBA series and I’m not sure it’s going to happen again.

by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 7, 2011 9:55 PM PST reply actions  

Oh definitely

If the Lakers could get Dwight for ONE of their big men that’s an easy trade. But it looks like it’s going to cost two.

by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Is anyone a little worried?

That if we do get rid of Bynum and he stays healthy that the Lakers might actually create a monster?

Think about it…what if he was just unlucky and he’s healthy now and we actually get under value for him. What if he puts up 30/18 (absolutely possible) for a contender and ends up meeting us in the playoffs?

We already know we can beat D12, we don’t know if we can beat a Bynum anchored team.

by rshinsec on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

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