The 2011-2012 Los Angeles Lakers: Same same, but different
Over the offseason much ado was made, rightly so, of the Lakers' attempts to completely blow up their core in an attempt to remake the team on the fly, and upon the failure of that of their decision to donate Lamar Odom to the defending champion Mavericks and attempt to replace his production with Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts. Ultimately, the offseason left Lakers fans feeling as if the team was unfinished, that they were in the middle of a transition phase that still required one big move. With this move being yet to come, if indeed it ever does, nonetheless the feeling was one of change, that the Lakers, now Odom-less and Jackson-less, were a truly different team; whether for better or worse.
The Christmas Day season opener was reason for hope for Laker fans, with their vigour, effort, tough defense and solid contributions from fresh faces suggesting an altogether improved team, one that could once again compete, and indeed entertain whilst doing so. The youth and hustle were particularly refreshing, perhaps harking back to the days of the famed Bench Mob of '08. Then last night happened, and such optimistic assumptions needed revision; with lackluster effort, poor execution, terrible defense and general helplessness leading to an embarrassing loss to a simply inferior team. After the loss, Chris understandably made the assertion that the Lakers were indeed worse than last season, and that a championship was thus unlikely. I disagree. It seems to me that the Lakers are almost the same as last season.
Perhaps it's simply a matter of adjustment, that Coach Mike Brown's new offensive iand defensive systems are yet to be fully understood, and thus Brown is still holding onto much of the Triangle until full acclimatisation is successful, or perhaps it's the Laker vets being unused to their new team mates and thus not making full use of them, or perhaps it's simply that Brown's San Antonio-based system cannot work without Bynum joining Pau; but overall, despite blatant differences such as previously rarely-seen sophomore Devin Ebanks starting, I can't help but shake the feeling that the Lakers haven't changed much at all.
Inconsistent as hell? Check. Lackluster effort? The Lakers know no other kind. No hope against quick guards? Marcus Thornton serves as the perfect spokesman. Kobe perhaps doing too much? Yep. Pau disappearing for large stretches? Of course. Hell, we even got more than our fair share of Derek Fisher PUJITs and other assorted fails. And there was a Luke Walton sighting! It was at the point where I was actually surprised at seeing Mike Brown on the bench, and it's not due to missing Phil.
Despite the Laker FO's pressing for change deliberately and aggressively both through attempts at player movement and personnel movement, there was very little that made this Laker game look any different from any Laker game from the Lakers' poor stretches last season. Murphy and McRoberts were rarely seen making any impact, Goudelock played the same amount as Walton, and Ebanks, though efficient, was a fringe player. Thus, the majority of Laker contributions came through their vets, and the results were as much of a mixed bag as they were last season. Ron had one of his rare, but logical, good games courtesy of his efficient postwork and hustle on the boards and defense, Kobe was cold early but kept attacking until he bullied his way into decent efficiency; Pau disappeared for much of the game, finally started playing only to get in foul trouble and sit, came back alright before making the most boneheaded procession of fouls I have ever seen from a veteran All Star in his pathetic attempts to box out DeMarcus Cousins (as I predicted, Bynum was sorely missed); Blake was back to his 2010-2011 level of fail; and Fisher and Walton committed the basketball equivalent of war crimes. Welcome back, 2010-2011 Lakers; I can't say I missed you.
Now for a little rant: there is absolutely no reason for Derek Fisher to be getting any more than spot minutes. His defensive woes are already well-known, his shot selection is nearly as bad as Kobe's despite not possessing one tenth of the requisite skill, and it's rare that he even hits open threes any more. So what, exactly, is he doing on the floor? I can't think of many, if any, point guards in this League getting regular minutes as he does who are worse. Morris might be a second-round rookie, but hell, we have nothing to lose when it comes to point guard. Moves need to be made at this position for the Lakers to have a shot at the championship this season. Luke Walton should simply retire already; and Pau Gasol's foul trouble was little reason to play him as a Power Forward when Metta World Peace had been playing so well. As for Pau, the guy needs to man the hell up, that's already well known. His shooting touch is coming and going, but I think there's more to Pau now. He was never an elite athlete by NBA standards, but in his more effective years when he did play Center he did have a definite speed advantage over his opponents at the 5. I don't see that any more. He seems to have gotten noticeably slower; and his lack of vertical can't simply be a matter of will - I honestly think his vertical is as bad as Ron's, even if he tried. It seems Pau, on the wrong side of 30 and having played pretty heavy minutes during much of his stint with the Lakers, is gaining all the negative aspects of the tweener mould as he ages - he is too physically soft to play as a full-time Center, yet he is also significantly slower than a high-calibre Power Forward. His only hope to regain his lost effectiveness is to develop into a dead-eye shooter, and that requires a confidence exceedingly rarely exhibited by Pau. If I were in the position to do so, I'd hope to trade him whilst his stock was high.
All is not lost, though. Whilst this team seems to have maintained the vast majority of the traits of last seasons'; the changes still show their potential, if utilised well. Some more motion in 4-5 sets would be nice, perhaps Pau's passing ability could be put to use in hitting McRoberts for his habitual feed of dunks and layups. Goudelock has a jump shot, and I'd like to see him in more of the corner catch-and-shoot situations Steve Blake and Derek Fisher (and, for some bizarre reason, Luke Walton) often find themselves in, as opposed to handling the basketball. Ebanks is all good so far, and shall continue to grow with minutes. Barnes seems healed, and Artest may hopefully be settling into his new role. We're also yet to see how Bynum has grown over the offseason. The youth infusion the Lakers ordered is ready and waiting, and Murphy's shown he can still play but first some of the scrap of the Lakers of old must be trimmed off.
This optimism aside, I think the Lakers' championship hopes for this season rely not on a big-for-big swap to get Dwight Howard, but on getting another dribble penetrator, the one thing Lamar provided that hasn't been replaced. Whether this player be a wing or guard is irrelevant (particularly considering the Lakers can still amnesty Walton if they must), but they must be able to create shots for themselves as well as others off the dribble - youth wouldn't hurt. If a point guard, our only truly glaring personnel issue is solved, however if this player is a wing, a solid defensive point guard would also be needed. Perhaps this is wishful thinking, however, and if a trade does come to fill such a need, most likely it'll be one nobody expected, thus it does no good to dwell over such things.
Ultimately, as currently constructed, the Lakers have made enough changes that their potential is recognisable, but they're still sticking to old ways, which may prove to be their doom. The Lakers cannot simply involve new players, they must adapt a new mindset: they're no longer the defending champs, complacency and lack of execution and effort are inexcusable, the team simply cannot afford losses like last night's this season, and they would do well to comprehend this completely and rapidly; they are no longer the best team in the League on paper and cannot simply out-talent all their opponents. There is no more safety net.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
The Lakers have to play Morris. He could be their dribble penetrator. Morris seems to be a pass first point guard. Why not use him?! Fisher should just be waived along with Walton. Pay them to screw up some other team. Play Barnes more too. And sign shotblocker like Charles Okuwandu because Pau can’t man that position effectively.
by E-ROC on Dec 27, 2011 9:34 AM PST via Android app reply actions
I have a feeling that Brown is holding some players back so that we have fresh legs in the b2b2b.
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A good point guard is needed.
Howard would be nice but a small upgrade over Bynum. Using the Trade Exception to acquire a decent PG would be better, IMO. Blake might grow into the role but that would be better done as a backup to a NBA quality starter.
Ive been driving the Trade Pau while he still has good value bus for a while
I think hes done. We probably will get the occasional great game and thas it. The Lakers need to look at every deal on the table for Pau and take the best one. Hopefully one that has a scorer or pg included.
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 9:40 AM PST via Android app reply actions
would they want pau now?
i don’t think so
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
I think Morey would take a deal for Pau.
Dalembert and Gasol could be formidable for the Rockets.
by E-ROC on Dec 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
the same offer?
they offered scola dragic martin for pau? would that benefit the lakers?
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
how do you play kevin martin in that situation?
do you move kobe to the 3 spot or assign martin as your 6th man?
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"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
6th man for sure
He could work inside out with Artest n get open looks
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 1:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
would love to see MIN's offer for pau
if they offer beasley wes johnson pekovic ridnour for pau + anything they would want except bynum and kobe i’d take that.
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"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
If that deal is still on the table,yes
I wonder if Minn still wants Pau? They have some workable pieces we could add. He’s not helping by no showing but there has ta b a team that feels all he needs is a change of scenery
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 10:52 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think Wolves will continue with their youth movement.
by E-ROC on Dec 27, 2011 10:57 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I've seen a large enough sample size I think
to say this is who Pau Gasol is as a basketball player right now. A 17-8 guy who should be the 3rd or 4th best player on a championship contending team. I love what Pau has done for the Lakers and maybe he just needs a change of scenery but a team trading pieces to bulid around Gasol would be taking a major, major risk.
id take scola dragic Martin and a pick
3 1st round picks should b enough to entice a cpl of trades to shore up weaknesses plus we’d have a capable 4 in Scola
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 11:21 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I would consider taking it as well
I like Scola almost as much as Pau (Scola was 18.3/8.2 last year), and what Scola loses out on in skill, he comes close to making up for in grit and toughness.
Add in the 3 other pieces, and we have a more complete roster with a much better bench.
Exactly
Plus Scola is money from free throw line extended. Martin is a scorer and pair him off the bench with Metta Bricks. Use a 1st or 2 and sweeten the deal to get Dwight and keep our own pick in a deep draft.
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 2:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
we need another creator, ASAP
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by bluexfalcon on Dec 27, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
yeeeah Kobe cant b the only option for that
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 10:42 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
A Deal with Wizards looks better on paper :)
Washington gets Pau and Caracter
We get Blatche, Nick Young and Singleton (can be used in trade for D12)
This
I would rather have Bynum get the majority of the touches, instead of Pau.
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by mrbarneydangles on Dec 27, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Let me provide a little defense for Fisher here
I know that bashing him seems to have become a recreational sport on here, but I think you’re making a lot out of two games. Claiming that he can’t hit his open threes anymore based on two games after he’s been doing it consistently for over a decade is really harsh. He’s probably not in basketball shape right now because of the lockout, but I still want him taking open threes when he gets the chance, and they will start falling.
Should he be starting anymore? No, he shouldn’t. But it isn’t going to change, and I think the constant bashing of the guy is just beating a dead horse at this point. Hope he finds his shot as soon as possible.
Hopefully Bynum gets lots of touches when he comes back, and MWP plays like he did last night.
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Its not like he's getting bashed for no reason
He’s Trash at this point. He cant guard his position and does little more than spot up and shoot on offense. No triangle so his use is seriously limited beyond that.
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 10:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
not starting but..
what if he came off the bench
by purplebloodgoldheart on Dec 27, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Spot duty for 3pt shooting on occasion
Beyond that id rather see Morris get his minutes and develop. The only thing Fish does better is shoot but Morris can penetrate and pass better plus his d is already ahead of Fish at this point and he will only get better
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 10:42 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I knew Fish was limited but I didn't realize how poor of a passer he was.
His passes always seem half a second late. Now if Fish knew his limitations he could still contribute as a guy who takes charges, play physical d, and shoots open 3’s. As of now though he’s playing like a guy that refuses to accept father time’s judgement and it’s making him look like a really, really bad basketball player.
The problem the Lakers have is Steve Blake isn’t good either and it’s unfair to ask a rookie to lead and playmake effectively on a team that plans to go deep into the playoffs.
I think having the rookie play with the starters will ease that burden
He wont have to do anything outside of what he does well especially when on the court with kobe. He cant do any worse than Fisher
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by EmmCeee on Dec 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I know that
But like I said, it’s beating a dead horse at this point. Do I want Morris starting over Fish? I don’t really have an opinion. I don’t mind Fisher starting, I just want his minutes cut down and I think having Morris active to take some of Fisher’s minutes would help Morris’ development.
My problem was the claim that Fisher can’t make his open threes anymore. None of them have fallen in the first two games but shooting-wise I still want him taking the open threes. It’s his willingness to drive into the lane and shoot long-off balance twos that make him seem a lot worse and need to stop. Just because it worked five years ago doesn’t mean it’ll work now. He’s 37 and he needs to realize it. If he actually played within his role I think he wouldn’t be bashed nearly as much.
Hopefully he figures that out, because I can’t see him taken out of the rotation. Just dribble the ball up the court, make the entry pass, and then spot up and wait for an open shot. Thats all he should be doing.
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The problem isn't the missed 3s
It’s the ISOLATIONS that HE calls for HIMSELF
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its still too early...
I couldn’t help but think we win if Bynum was in the lineup. I thikn they fought hard in the end kinda felt the Metta should’ve had more court cause he seemed dialed in from when he entered the game. Its still not fun to lose but they’ll get it right i have no doubt about it…I still feel better than I did during the lockout about our squad…we’ll be fine
by purplebloodgoldheart on Dec 27, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions
We knew this was coming, when we went "all in" in hopes for a three peat.
“Keep the core together,” we said. “Kobe’s getting older, the time is now,” we said. And so players that would not have been brought back (Odom, Fisher) were, to go in poker parlance “all in.”
The three peat didn’t happen, and the core aged another year. The Lakers great advantage—it’s front court—are the only pieces available in a trade for Paul, Howard, whoever. But the pieces aren’t there to have both a strong backcourt and frontcourt. So Mitch went all in on Paul and Howard, and didn’t get either. That was the only gambit that would have improved the team.
I’m hard pressed to see what else can be done. Trade Bynum for Howard maybe? Why would Howard want to come to LAL when it will be him and Pau (another year older) and Kobe (slip sliding away), when he can see Dallas and Brooklyn clearing cap space to bring him on next year.
Here’s another gamble: go all in with Morris, Ebanks. See what happens. Lakes aren’t going anywhere, unless some cash strapped club is looking to dump a star for the Trade Exception.
Look, I’ve been a fan since Keith Erikson’s appendectomy, so I’m sticking with LAL forever. I just think we should not be surprised that they are in decline right now. No one else should be either.
Oh, one other thing: F#@$ you, David Stern!
Agreed
Especially the part about Stern. And, of course, being a fan since 1971.
If it huts us watching them lose to crappy teams, imagine what’s going through Kobe’s mind — the equivalent of basketball WMDs. I just wish it went through Mitch’s, too.
I’m a pessimist by nature, and I’m starting to see a 2004-05 year shaping up. The only difference will be what Drew can do. I can’t help but feel like a wound up mainspring about to blow: the FO must have something up their sleeves. Or, as the conspiracy theorists claim, the Lakers have been penciled out of this season for “basketball reasons.”
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 27, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Heard that Stern was booed in Dallas.
Just imagine what happens if/when he comes to LA. Beer bath?
by socalminfan on Dec 27, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
No chance.
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I thought it was the other way around, the way Kobe skied for the ball.
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by bluexfalcon on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
it was noice
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by bluexfalcon on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I hope that when he comes to watch the Lakers play, a fan throws a soda on him
and Lakers security somehow doesn’t see anything and all security footage of the incident gets “accidentally” deleted.
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+1
With Bynum playing (and playing well), this team has the potential to be dominant. Sliding Gasol over to the 4 will really help his game tremendously. Plus, with Bynum waiting for dribble penetrators, perimeter defenders will be more inclined to stay home on shooters. The return of Bynum will do wonders for both the offense and the defense.
#teambynum
losing to the Kings????????
i thot maybe pau was gonna play bad til the trade deadline so no one would want him. now I’m thinking he’s just losing it. Maybe Metta getting the idea of being a backup post player where he can compete. At least Kobe held onto the ball last night. We need Chris Paul—the Kings kept taking it to the rim and we couldn’t. Maybe Rondo next year?
by celticandlakerfanreally on Dec 27, 2011 12:13 PM PST reply actions
LOLDAMN, start the Nuremberg trials.
Fisher and Walton committed the basketball equivalent of war crimes.
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damn, other teams chanting beat LA during game against clips
Was that a “Beat L.A.” chant Sunday night by Golden State fans … for the Clippers? That’s sacreligious. Stop it.
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/12/26/opening-day-nba-season/index.html
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They're talking about the Lakers.
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Great article.
Moves need to be made at this position for the Lakers to have a shot at the championship this season.
Some might read this and say this is another “the season is over” comments but it is the truth. Changes need to be made.
I apologize if you get mad by what I say, let me know when you take the stick out of your ass so I can continue commenting.
SEASON IS OVAH!!!!
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