Los Angeles Lakers 2012 Season Preview: The Predictions
We've done what we can this preseason to prepare you for what will undoubtedly be one of the craziest seasons on record in Lakers history. Compact schedule? Check. Insane trade rumors? Check. A roster that could legitimately contend for a trophy or miss the playoffs? Check. Questions at every position? Check. With that in mind, we looked at the offense, we looked at the defense, and we looked at all the players. Now it's time to put our reason to the test and let you all know what we think will happen.
After the jump, without further ado, the predictions of your SSR writing team.
Wondahbap
Predicted Record/Finish: 46-20 (3rd in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: NBA Finals
Will the team make a major move during the season? Yes
Like most of our writers, I don't know what to make of these Lakers right now. I'm always optimistic about my favorite team, but sometimes my bias gets in the way. My gut tells me that this Lakers squad, as is, will be better than others expect but it will come with some frustrations along the way. I liked the Mike Brown hiring. Hindsight being 20/20, it made perfect sense to go the complete opposite route from Phil Jackson once a change was decided. I feel his defensive expertise will help carry a team that we know can play elite-level defense. Offensively, it might take some time to adjust to a new offense and new focus. Last season, the offense was never quite right, but for a stretch, because of defense they looked like they might run through the league.
What I'm anticipating is your typical San Antonio Spurs kind of season (save for last season). Not in style (although Brown has stated the offensive strategy will be similar to Duncan/Robinson Era Spurs), but more in the build-up to the Playoffs. They'll encounter some bumps along the road, not stressing best record so much, instead working into a peak in spring. It might take that long for the core to re-familiarize themselves and play comfortably in a new system with new teammates as well. I do expect Kobe to dial back on offense, but kick up a notch in defensive intensity. No more free-lancing. Bynum should have an expanded role on offense, which will allow Kobe to focus on what should be the Lakers' strength this season, defense. Because of the defense, they'll "surprise" some folks sticking a fork in them. The offense will come around.
Besides Kobe's and Bynum's roles, I expect Pau to have a bounce-back season, Devin Ebanks to delight us, Steve Blake to earn his money, Darius Morris to show real promise, Jason Kapono to eventually just watch from the bench, Metta World Peace to be in another uniform before the trade deadline, Josh McRoberts and Troy Murphy to be good pick ups, but frustrating in man-up defending, and Derek Fisher to finally get laid down, then come through when it matter one last time. I'm picking them to finish 3rd in the West, and 2nd in the Pacific. They'll "shock" the World and return to the Finals. From there, I dunno yet.
Other predictions. The Thunder are going to murder the West in the regular season, and the Clips will finish 2nd. I also expect the Heat to run through the East. OKC, Miami, and Chicago are all comfortable and young. I'm picking Kevin Durant as MVP, LeBron as DPOY, Taj Gibson as 6th Man, Bynum as Most Improved, and OKC's Scott Brooks as Coach of the Year. Still, it's tough knowing what this team will ultimately look like when the Playoffs start. Even though I don't think Jim Buss wants to part ways with Bynum, I think if the deal is there, he has to take it. I was the clown who predicted (with extreme confidence) that Dwight would be in a Lakers uni by 12/12. I also felt that the Chris Paul trade was an attempt to keep Bynum. That failed and now Jimmy will have to pull the trigger on Dwight.
Actuarially Sound
Predicted Record/Finish: 43-23 (4th in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: NBA Finals Loss
Will the team make a major move during the season? Yes
I am probably higher on this Lakers team than most. While I still have major concerns with the point guard position, I think the Lakers actually did quite well to address some of the issues that have plagued them over the last few seasons. They finally acquired a slew of solid shooters to provide the spacing needed to run the offense efficiently. They also brought in some athleticism to what was quickly becoming a plodding giant of a team.
I am not thrilled with the decision to essentially dump Odom for nothing. I really wish they could have tried to dangle Odom to another team in exchange for a solid point guard. Looking at the glass as half full however reveals an increased opportunity for Andrew Bynum to showcase his skills. Without the excellent play of Lamar Odom to back him up, I see more minutes and more of a scoring burden placed on the young big man. I think Bynum will take that big step this year to all-star status and will in fact be the starter for the West in the weekend showcase. It is this performance from Bynum that leads me to say that the Lakers will make a major trade.
I am expecting the Orlando Magic to struggle this year and by the trade deadline it will be clear that they are not a title contender. Worried about losing Dwight Howard for nothing, look for the Magic to give the Lakers a call and work some sort of deal built around Bynum for Howard. Orlando will continue to ask for Gasol to be included but they will have no leverage and the Lakers will force their hand and the deal will not include Gasol. The Lakers will thrive with a core of Kobe, Gasol, and Howard coupled with the numerous shooting threats. I think they will make it out of the West but will likely fall in the finals to a very good Bulls team that contains the perfect PG to exploit the Lakers at their weakest point.
How certain am I with this prediction? Less than 10%. I guess I really don't know what to expect this year. At least it will make the season exciting and fun to watch.
WildYams
Predicted Record/Finish: 38-28 (4th in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: Loss in 2nd round
Will the team make a major move during the season? Yes
I'll be surprised if I'm not the guy on the staff here who's most pessimistic about this season for the Lakers. I think we could very well see turmoil similar to what we saw with the Lakers during the last lockout-shortened season, when we had the Del Harris firing/Kurt Rambis experiment, the Eddie Jones/Elden Campbell for Glen Rice trade and the whole Rodman fiasco happen in the span of three months or so. That team was a very talented team (they didn't win 67 games and the championship the following season on accident), but the turmoil overwhelmed the talent in 1999 and the Lakers got swept out of the playoffs in the 2nd round by the eventual champion San Antonio Spurs.
This year's team is gonna have to try to learn a new system with new personnel all while having virtually zero practice time (they're gonna play on average more than every other day for the duration of the season - think about that), and there's almost surely gonna be moves of some kind being made here in the early going, simply as a result of the free agent period, training camp and preseason being crammed into less than a month. I do think in the end the Lakers will make the trade for Dwight Howard (Brook Lopez getting hurt seems to make this even more probable), and even though he might make the team more formidable (key word: might), it'll just be too many new and unknown factors and moving parts for the Lakers to expect any kind of chemistry or consistency which is needed to win in the playoffs. I think the Lakers' talent might get them past an overmatched first round opponent, but they'll quickly run into another team that'll have that requisite chemistry which will upend the Lakers.
It's OK though, out of so much turmoil and confusion some great things can emerge in the future. After all, look how the Lakers followed up the last tumultuous lockout-shortened season.
Saurav. A. Das
Predicted Record/Finish: 42-24 (2nd in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: No clue
Will the team make a major move during the season? I damn well hope so
At no time in recent memory has so little been predictable about the Lakers. The team's core has been shaken up with the trade of Odom; front office has swung and (apparently) missed on a major trade, a rare occurrence in Laker land; and questions about ownership are growing all the more prevalent with Jim Buss' increased role combined with Jerry's health issues. Assuming an effort level characteristic of the Lakers of the past few years, the future looks mediocre.
There is the possibility the Lakers finally get it together for a full season in terms of effort and cohesion, but to be honest I doubt it. In between Kobe's injury, Bynum missing the first four games, and the massive turnover in terms of roster and coaching staff (of debatable benefit), there seems to be only a fool's hope that the Lakers put it all together to regain dominance. Similarly, with Paul having been traded to the Clippers and the Magic desperately trying to cling on to Dwight, prospects of a blockbuster trade are simultaneously failing.
The Lakers' period of dominance and glory appears to be fading, slipping into a temporary dormancy. It is unavoidable, no team can be permanently dominant, rebuilding is a fact of life. Only a fools' hope remains that the Lakers aren't quite done yet. But sometimes, a fool's hope is all one needs.
Ben R.
Predicted Record/Finish: 42-24 (3rd in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: Conference Finals Loss
Will the team make a major move during the season? Yes
Uncertainty is really the only proper way to describe the Lakers' current circumstances. At the point and the three, there are major questions of how a motley bunch of aging veterans and untested youth emerges into a solid rotation. Will Steve Blake rebound from a disastrous year in the triangle and perform well a more traditional offense? How will Darius Morris handle some real regular season playing time? Or Devin Ebanks for that matter? Is the fact Ebanks beat both Matt Barnes and Metta World Peace for the starting gig a worrying sign of their decline and overall lack of utility or simply an acknowledgment of Ebanks' potential? And of course, how will Derek Fisher deal with an offense highly unsuited for a glorified two guard and a coach who will call him out on his defensive limitations? The Lakers will have to adapt to Mike Brown's new system that definitely can work with this group of players on both sides of the floor but will require time to implement, which is hard to come by in a shortened season. Perhaps most of all, however, the Lakers' prospects will fall on the massive shoulders of Andrew Bynum, and how ready he is for a significant role. So much of what the Lakers do on both ends of the floor is predicated on him being a large, if not dominating, force and if there was ever a time for him to live up to his billing, it is now. Moreover, the better he plays, the more probable it is that a Dwight Howard trade doesn't leave the Lakers with a gutted roster going forward.
Despite the numerous issues above, there certainly still remains reason for optimism. For all the insanity of the offseason, the Lakers at least made a move to shore up their mediocre outside shooting, and expect internal improvement from Steve Blake and Devin Ebanks. This should open things up for what is still one of the best front lines in basketball in Bynum and Pau Gasol, even without Lamar Odom. The younger end of the Lakers' rotation has shown some interesting signs of at least being serviceable players, and they should help address the athleticism deficit the team has had in the past. The first two months will likely be a rocky affair with intermittent spots of solid play intermixed with the haphazard and disorderly, but I think the Lakers finish off the season with a nice head of momentum garnered from the team clicking on both sides of the floor and Kupchak pulling something out of his hat at the trade deadline, whether for Howard or via the Odom TPE. And once they get to the playoffs, who knows? As Chris has noted, this is still a very good roster, but the margin for error, the perpetual slacking against mediocre teams even in the playoffs, has decreased to a razor thin margin. Solid play from all quarters will be required for this team to make some noise, but at the same time, for once in a long time, motivation won't be in short supply for this team. Between a coach who will drive them every day and a desire to correct what went wrong last season, this team will at least give it everything it has for that seventeenth banner.
DexterFishmore
Predicted Record/Finish: 40-26 (3rd in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: NBA Finals Loss
Will the team make a major move during the season? Yes
Honestly, I have almost no idea where this season is headed. There are so many strange vibes emanating from the organization right now. The depth chart is lumpy and burdened with too much deadweight. I can't tell how much faith the new coaching staff deserves. Even Mitch Kupchak seems a step behind the market. (I'm sorry, but that Lamar Odom trade was just weird, and I'm not at all convinced the resulting trade exception will ever be put to good use.) Anyone predicting they could miss the playoffs is being silly or idiotic, but the floor is as low as it's been since the pre-Gasol era. A first-round playoff loss is very possible.
At the same time, I look at the roster and see a lot of easily imaginable paths to improvement. Eventually the point-guard position will get sorted out: either Steve Blake will have a bounceback year or Darius Morris will grow into a prominent role. Same with the three slot. It's going to take time to sort through how to divide minutes among Devin Ebanks, Matt Barnes and Metta World Peace, but there's talent in that group. And I like both McBobs and Troy Murphy. If Bynum stays healthy and unsuspended (I know, I know) the front court could be just as good as it was last season. If there's one thing I'm confident about, it's that the Lakers will be better at the end of the regular season than they are today.
C.A. Clark
Predicted Record/Finish: 37-29 (6th in West)
Predicted Post Season Finish: 1st round Loss
Will the team make a major move during the season? Yes
There are so, so many ways this season can go for the Los Angeles Lakers. Despite the loss of Lamar Odom, they still have supreme talent, though they lack any kind of depth around that talent. They are a year removed from having strong chemistry, but are much less removed from a year in which their chemistry was found lacking, and now they have lost their glue guy. They were swept out of last year's playoffs in the 2nd round and did not address their biggest weaknesses, but that ignominious ending might bring out their prideful best. So many questions, so many possible answers. There's no way to look at it all and come to any kind of logical conclusion. Logic left the building a long time ago.
So my feelings about this season, and my predictions for how it will go, are rooted entirely in history. History tells us that the Lakers rarely spin their wheels. They are constantly in ascension, or crashing down as they reinvent themselves for the next climb. A decent regular season, combined with a 3 or 4 seed and a trip to the 2nd or 3rd round ... that's virtually identical to last season's run. I just don't see it.
You take a look at my predictions, and they look pretty depressing. It's not nearly as gloomy as it appears. I think the Lakers will struggle in the regular season because they don't have the depth to handle the compact nature of this year's schedule. I think they will be on the bottom end of the WC Playoff bracket because the teams which will finish ahead of them are better equipped for the regular season. And I think the Lakers will turn another history lesson, that of the 8th seeded New York Knicks making the NBA Finals the last time a compact lockout shortened season took place, as guidance that killing themselves for playoff position isn't worth it. I think one of the bigs will pick up an injury that will keep him out for a few weeks, and I think the Lakers will conserve energy with the intent of hitting the playoffs with some momentum and hoping for the 1st round upset. By then, Dwight Howard will be in Los Angeles, but the Lakers will be forced to give up enough that the depth surrounding Dwight and Kobe will fail them. They will enter the playoffs with the chance to "upset" a team in the first round, just like NY did all those years ago. It would not surprise me in the least if the plan is successful, if the Lakers end up making a deep playoff run even from a low seed starting point. But in the end, I think a lack of familiarity, a lack of cohesiveness, and a lack of health will make the team come up just short.
The only expectation I have of the season is that the Lakers will climb, or the Lakers will fall. I don't expect the difference between the two to be very large. But the Lakers' margin for error is razor thin, and I don't think this team can walk the tight rope this year.
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Can't. Hardly. Wait.
SEASON START NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Meh
I was hoping for some NBA finals WINNING!
Merry Christmas and other holidays to everybody. I hope Santa brings us a W tomorrow.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
I think trading for Howard during the season
kills our chance for a title this year but sets us up for next year. Too many changes in too short of a season this year if we get Dwight. But like Magic said, to win this year we need Gasol and Bynum to play consistently at a high level. If they do, no team can match our bigs.
the clippers just showed us that a team CAN match up with our bigs...
thats only the beginning. memphis with zac randolph and the other gasol, kevin durant and ebaka, cant rule out timmy duncan, there’s soo many matchup problems FOR the lakers, its not even funny, and im not talking about the the bench yet here.
whereas odom could of came in with the 2nd unit and presented matchup problems for, and against the opponents best guys, now who do they have? MWP? barnes? give me a break! the lakers are going to have to build some sizable leads to hold off the other teams, when the bench comes in.
its going to be a cath 22 if the lakers do aquirre dwight howard, if your going to add gasol for the trade, you might as well forget even going to the playoffs. whomever would be playing the 4, is going to get murdered out there. there are soo many questions this yr, especially at the pg position, its almost creepy how kobe is just calm about it all…..
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 24, 2011 12:17 PM PST reply actions
Whaaatttttt?????!!!!!!!
You must mean the Clippers showed they can match up with our Troy Murphy, right? Cause what I saw when Gasol and Drew were in was Gasol backing Griffin in constantly and hitting nice soft jumpers right in Blake’s grill, he also did a great job on Blake defensively. Also I have no idea what you saw when Drew and Jordan were matched up. Drew was constantly outworking him on the glass and leaving Jordan looking stupid with superior footwork. Yeah Jordan got some nice blocks on our guards and Blake did a nice job schooling Murphy. Trust me our bigs will still create plenty of problems for other teams to deal with. Your post is ludicrous, there are not going to be many minutes in the game where you’re going to have McBob and Murphy in together if ever. What you saw in the Clipper game was a preseason game and a coach playing with lineups. Seriously calm down dude.
by purrrrrple on Dec 24, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
WE ARE SCREWED
This era of Laker basketball is probably over. Sucks but it happens
TV Journalist Chris Hanson is a cockblocker
Circle of Life
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Agreed.
But every good team has a rebuilding period. Losing Gasol in the trade to get Howard would be a mistake. Bynum looks good now, so I don’t see as much advantage in the D12 trade (except we would worry less about Howard’s knees). And Kobe is fighting it but Father Time is working against him.
Unless a couple of blockbuster trades are on the horizon, I won’t have much hope for next year either. We looked old and feeble in last season’s playoffs, and now there’s so much uncertainty that we can’t pull a top seed rabbit out of a hat.
Lakers out of the playoffs early. Let’s see about putting the chess pieces in place for next year, a year with an even older Kobe. (And Fish? Maybe this is his last year?)
Just remember: As all teams do, the Lakers ebb and flow. Right now they’re in facing the ebb cycle. I just hope it doesn’t last too long.
Tornadoes suck.
OK, Mr. Fuck That, what is your suggestion?
Given the salary cap and how far over it the Lakers are, what would you do? Give Kobe new knees so he can run and jump like he was 25 again? The league already has it in for the Lakers after Stern nixed the CP3 deal. CP and D12 would have helped us immensely, but it would have cost us in other ways. (I’d be much happier with both of them than I am with the current team of Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, and pieces.) We have several aging players and a few crappy contracts, and the young prospects aren’t ready this soon. These Lakers will be very lucky to survive the second round of the playoffs. KB24 can’t carry the team the way he did 3 or 4 years ago.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was joking
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Beat LA?
I can’t imagine that being directed at the Clippers instead of the Lakers. The world is upside-down.
Tornadoes suck.
I won't be saying it
I’d like to see them succeed for once.
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Yes!
I’m actually happy for them. I just can’t get over the resenment of having two LA teams. It’s twisted, but I guess we have to deal with it.
Tornadoes suck.
wondahbap didn't bother mentioning the Mavericks
That’s how much worse they’ve gotten
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
i like dexs prediction
cant count the lakers out till there done tho
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i frequent this site almost daily, but never commented. im a laker fan for life! bleed purple and gold. i have a question. has chris paul signed an extension or a contract with the clippers? i have not heard of it yet. technically, hes still available. i doubt sterling will give him the money he wants. the lakers can still get him, i believe. i would not be surprised if howard and paul end up in la next year. if not paul, then deron williams will come here. i have not heard anything about deron signing an extension either. anyway, it was just a thought, a guy can dream, cant he?
functioning alcoholic is more like it.........
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GO DOLPHINS!
success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.
CP3 did sign a 1 year extension, but I don't know about deron williams.
Nice to see another dreamer.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 24, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
So we all agree that Dwight is coming here?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 24, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions
Sure!
If Jim Buss and both GMs are in agreement, who are we to argue?
If Bynum has a breakout season and turns into a beast, we could regret it. But Howard belongs in purple and gold.
Tornadoes suck.
Lol I love this
I read through everyone’s prediction, felt increasingly optimistic about the season (I myself, I must confide, am somewhat confident) then I read the C.A.’s thoughts and my burgeoning optimism petered out.
I think this Lakers season will either go very well or be an unmitigated disaster.
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
Everyone needs to have a drink or smoke a joint or something
Why doesn’t everyone just chill out and let tehe first few weeks of the season play out before we all claim the sky is falling. I like alot of the opinions in this blog. I believe all we need to do is pace ourselves and develop chemistry all season get into the playoffs as a 5-6 seed which shouldn’t be that hard and then we can make a hard run in the playoffs and you never know what will happen. There’s just as much too like about this team as their is not to like, and for the time being I will focus on the good.
Because
the sky IS falling. By losing Odom, we got worse than we were last season. Those Lakers didn’t get past the 2nd round. Not only that, the team aged while others got stronger. We picked up a couple of so-so players, got a new coach with a new system, didn’t address key issues, and will have to reinvent the wheel. My expectations are low this season. But that has a bright side: If the Lakers get bounced early, at least I saw it coming.
I still have hope that something big is coming our way, and it’s more than just D12.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Metta World Peace to be in another uniform before the trade deadline
Since we’re not using amnesty, it seems more likely that Stern would see the error of his ways and reverse the Paul trade so he can join the Lakers than someone actually trading for MWP.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
MWP is a wash
I love the guy, but I’d rather see him in another uniform. And I’d really like Ariza wearing purple and gold again.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Either Ariza or
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Funny how...
ex-Lakers are being mentioned as trade material. Turiaf isn’t the first name that’s come up, and he won’t be the last. I’d take Ariza over Turiaf if he became available.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT KIND OF MIXED UP WORLD IS THIS!?!?!?!?!?
Lakers fans turning into Clipper fans, players choosing the clippers over the Lakers ESPN AND NBATV saying that the clippers are the kings of los angeles, when 2 weeks ago the only clipper fans out there were closeted ones! And the worst one of all, kids at my school bragging about how their team the CLIPPERS beat those old lakers, when last year, they were all cheering for the Lakers!!
Christmas couldn’t come soon enough.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM PST reply actions
Lakers Rule LA
Even if we finish behind them this year, we won’t next year. I don’t get the turncoats, the type of “fan” who looks at the standings and roots for the team who is running away with the division.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
dude broussard is ballwashing the clippers bigtime!
makes me sick!!
Lakers....win more than they lose
Kobe is bruised and buried most the season…..naysayers say he is done….Bynum steps it up BIG time…….get to NBA Playoffs…….
MAMBA comes home…….AVG’s 30, 7, 7 on NBA asses. 6th Chapmionship on MJ’s ass. children of MJ cry…..Barkley is pissed…..
Sarge has spoketh
I'd take that
But would add the following:
Ammo joins Lakers. Many long haired babies are fathered in the Southland. He sets up a kingdom of funk, and rules all with his manly mustache.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
by 99bc99 on Dec 24, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Not re-signing AMMO >>>>>>> Trading Shaq
as Mitch Kupchak’s biggest blunder.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 24, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
couple interesting players hitting the waiver wire
Merry Christmas Eddie House and Nate Robinson, you’re fired.
Lakers could use them both
too bad we can’t give them the roster spots taken up by Metta and Luke.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
Lakers will be alright
then they will trade Bynum for Howard in a moment of blindness, Bynum has a breakout year in Orlando which really makes the trade pointless, hopefully by this point Lakers have not traded Gasol as well for D12, because if they have, they are royally screwed with no useful trade pieces left and will fall into a 10 year cycle with no championship…
Then again, Bynum could have a 20 10 year which would not eclipse what Howard could do, yet we trade for Howard using only Bynum, we get the better half of the deal as Bynum never truley realizes his potential in Orlando while D12 flourishes and builds a post and mid range game that makes the Lakers front line of Gasol and D12 the deadliest in history possibly…. maybe…. Then Gasol plays his ass off for a deep playoff run increasing his trade value, we trade Gasol for an extremely talented point guard or power forward… Hopefully it is a point guard that Morris can play back up to along with Blake… Then with the Odom TPE we sign a servicable Power Forward like Paul Milsap… However if the Lakers decide to trade Gasol for a Power Forward like Josh Smith of the Hawks.. Then they will use the Odom TPE to pick up a decent point guard IF Blake has another horrible season or Morris just flat out does a shannon Brown job… However if our point guard position isnt so bad the TPE will be used on acquiring a good SF/PF versatile player who can help Ebanks but also back Josh Smith (Paul Milsap? Trevor Ariza?)…. By the end of the year Fisher will realize that he has passed through father period and is now gracing grandfather period… He decides to retire with Luke Walton in a press conference subsequently known as ‘The Retirement’… Lakers amnesty MWP… And with some money in the bank do two very useful signings, giving us some length and athletisicm… Then the Lakers make a championship run next year, giving Kobe his 6th championship as he takes down the 3 headed bum squat known as Miami…
Or Gasol could flame out and we never trade him for a shit and nothing happens apart from us collecting Jason Kapano’s….
It's weird
we are all hoping that Bynum either gets hurt, or ruins his career in Orlando just so we can feel better about ourselves because we have all been emotionally scarred form the CP3 ordeal.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 24, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
I dont understand where you got that conclusion from
after reading my comment, nowhere do i wish Bynum any harm or ruin of career… But i mention that if the Lakers trade Bynum when he is having a beast season then it is not worth it… I am of the opinion that if Bynum is having an amazing season he should not be traded… Infact if you read my comment i say that if bynum is having a 20 10 season (20 point 10 rebound) then we would still have the better end of the bargain in Dwight… Infact I’ve put that as a best case scenario that Bynum develops into a 20 10 guy which is an all-star which makes Orlando give Dwight up without us giving up Gasol, yet still though Bynum is an all-star, he is not as good as D12…
Please read my comment again… But if you were just making an observation free of what I’ve written in my comment… Then yes oddly enough, i have met people who are wishing harm on Bynum if he is traded to Orlando… But saying WE ARE ALL hoping, is bullshit… Most folk on this site don’t wish Bynum harm at all…
by Funkensteinn on Dec 24, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
You could be right
I think Mitch (unless he’s flamed out himself) is shrewd enough not to trade our entire front line for D12. The loss of Odom (even with his ups and downs) would then loom enormous. I keep thinking Bynum will have his best season yet. An even swap for D12? OK, I like that given the panic I get in my gut every time Bynum goes airborne. But Gasol and Bynum for Howard and some crappy contracts doesn’t make sense to me anymore. It might have had we snagged CP3.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
gosh sorry
I didn’t mean to offend you by accidentally putting all in there. And in case you didn’t read my comment, I never said you wanted him to do badly, and I also said or ruins his career. Finally, it was meant to be funny which is why I said that we had all been emotionally scarred by the CP3 ordeal.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 24, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I gotta say, it's uncomfortable as a Lakers fan to be this uncertain
We’ve been spoiled by the team’s past 5 years of consistent dominance. This is the first time we can’t say that the Lakers can beat any team in a 7 game series. But despite that, let’s see what kind of damage this squad can do. Go Lakeshow!!!
"I’ve never understood this stuff, where a star player sits out and a team goes into the tank. Well, they need him because he makes them better. Well, if he’s making them better, they should be able to survive without him. That’s how you lead your guys. You’ve got to be able to make guys suffice on their own, without you. If you’re there all the time and they take you away, they shouldn’t need a respirator."
-Kobe Bean Bryant
I wonder if there would be ANY team that would take MWP
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
So, I'm a little slow on the uptake.
But we probably would have had a team featuring CP3, Dwight and one Mamba.
Hey that was cool to think about , for a while.
Anyway, GO LAKERS!
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Should we pick up nate robinson?
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by chaucer on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
When Caracter returns...
Shrek and Donkey, part 2?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I think theres something up w gasol n kobe. The chemistry just isnt the same. It feels like they dont.like each other n dont want to play together.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Dec 24, 2011 9:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There may be a plus side to all this CP3 to the Clips madness
Apparently Clipper ticket sales have gone through the roof, and I expect the price will too. Maybe Laker tickets will get cheaper ^^
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
My worthless prediction:
Assuming no major injuries or blockbuster trades, the Lakes go 40-26 and finish 4th in the WC. But I hope we shed Luke and MWP, put Fish on the bench, and get some serious value for Odom’s TPE.
If there really is bad chemistry between Gasol and Kobe, then we’re looking at 2004-05 again — no playoffs, and we’re fodder for the Clippers.
Tornadoes suck.
Reality Stinks
I think C.A.‘s comments are the closest to reality for this abridged season. My biggest concern is Kobe’s wrist. Having played a lot of ball over the years I can tell you a pulled or torn tendon on your primary arm or hand is a huge problem that doesn’t go away without rest. Now Kobe, we all know is maybe the greatest warrior ever, and he was really spry until this injury but I think if he plays through it, he will be mediocre (for him) all season. He needs to give it a few weeks to heal. It may mean a few more early wins if he plays now, but deeper into the season it will start to undermine everything.
Of course if he doesn’t play, combined with Bynum’s stupid suspension and the new system/player integration, the Lakers could be 3-4 games under .500 20 games in.
Each scenario spells a sub-par season with an early playoff bounce.
Getting Howard for Bynum and other non essentials would be great for next year, but only if it’s only Bynum we lose. We cannot afford to lose Gasol too. I don’t sense that Bynum will ever be what we had hoped, but we cannot lose our entire front line for one guy. Howard is tier 1, Bynum tier 2, but most other teams only have tier 4 or 5 at center, so I’d rather stand pat than lose too much.
So no matter whether we pull THE trade or not, I see 5-6 seed, 1st round bounce.
With trade and only Bynum loss, I see re-boot next year into champ mode again. If not, a slow fade into the sunset for the great Kobe Bryant.
Ouch
Reality bites. I agree completely.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Meh
It’s a sprained wrist. We really don’t know how bad it is. It will heal, as long as he doesn’t keep falling on it . . .
Worse than a sprained wrist
Torn ligaments are worse. A strained ligament would heal faster. Knowing Kobe, he won’t rest and, as CA said, we could be under .500 20 games into the season. In Kobe’s head, he’s still a phenom rookie. In his body, he’s something entirely different.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 24, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Strained and torn ligaments
all fall within the classification of a “sprain.” And “tear” can mean partial or complete, and “strain” also refers to tearing of the ligaments, just not in the same coherent fashion. This can also occur on varying scales and intensities. That’s why these injury reports all need to be taken with a grain of salt. We aren’t his doctors. We don’t know what’s really going on.
I really enjoy these round table topics. Awesome stuff.
Personally, I think the Lakers will surprise everyone this year by overcoming expectations, because let’s be honest, a lot of people are pretty down on them right now.
Even if it really doesn’t pan out this season, that’s one year of experience down the belt. I’m still genuinely excited for this team going forward.
Before last year's playoffs
Before last year’s playoffs
I refused to believe that we would actually lose in the 2nd round. I guess 3 straight NBA finals appearances will do that to me. Even when we were down 3-0 against Dallas with Pau’s struggles, Bynum’s disappearance act, Odom’s inconsistency, and Kobe’s status as the 2nd best player on the court, I had no doubt in my mind we were going to win.
Believe it or not, when we were swept, I was flabbergasted. I didn’t care that we were beaten soundly on our home court twice and got manhandled in Game 3. The Lakers are the Lakers. The 2-time defending champions. Losing never occurred to me. Until it did.
This year, I’m extremely optimistic that we’ll do better than most people say, but what if I’m wrong? The Lakers finally proved you could bet against them, and my confidence in them wavered just the slightest. Am I being blindly devoted to a team that actually has run out of gas? I see true potential in Ebanks’s shot and Blake’s recovery. The Odom trade just cleared minutes for Bynum to finally dominate (What is that, you say? Injury-prone? Psh. Bynum was just unlucky.). I thought the Brown hiring was great; after all, weren’t the Lakers tired of hearing Phil’s mantra? But for the first time in the Gasol era, I’m not so sure I’m right.
And yet after all that, there is no doubt in my mind the Lakers will win the championship this year. I guess irrational confidence is called that for a reason. I believe. Merry Christmas.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
If I'm Mike Brown
I let Kobe play the next 4 games and if he looks no worse for the wear let him keep going. However if he really looks like hes struggling with his shot or ballhandling and getting his wrist nicked up by defenders? I shut him down for a few weeks once Bynum comes back. I know that’s easier said than done when dealing with Kobe, but I would really take a hardline with him, which someone like Kobe would have to respect. We need a fresh as possible Kobe at the end of the season.
If I had my way I’d keep Kobe around 25 minutes a night and just really work Bynum’s ass all season, sneak into the payoffs in a lower seed. Then unleash a fresh legged Kobe Bryant for 40 minutes a night into the Playoffs and watch him destroy the opposition. It would be similar to caging a Tiger and only feeding him table scraps for 3 months then opening his cage and unleashing him into a herd of Wildebeests, lol.
OKC and LAC and DAL are gonna be the top three teams, in something like that order...
Outside of that, it’s a crap shoot.
At least we have basketball…
Go Lakers!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
DAL .... LAC?!?!?
Wow I’ve never seen Laker land so out of touch with reality… Dallas just got a hell of alot weaker and a year older… Lakers are easily the stronger team… They got Odom you say?? How easily we forget that aside from last regular season (He stunk it up in the playoffs) Odom has been characteristically inconsistant as a starter and the 6th man position only covered that inconsistancy up with reduced minutes and responsibility… Odom will be arguably top 3 players in Dallas, with a huge load to carry as a starter… He will get his numbers, but he won’t be effective, he has the mold of a bench unit leader, not the mold of a regular starter and top 3 player…
As for LAC, that is a joke, yes they improved, but even Hollinger has them as only plus 4 in the win column… Blake/Cp3 and who? Deandre Jordan? Caron Butler??? In the second pre-season game when the Lakers focused a tad they almost beat the clips, even though the clips played their starters against our bench in the 4th… Hell wasn’t even our bench… We had goudelock running the floor and not even Ebanks was in or Barnes…. Whenever Bynum or Gasol were playing, Bynum was regularly taking dumps on Jordan and Gasol limited Blake until Blake got his groove on against Murphy… So please, no more bullshit about the clips… I expect them to come down to earth in a month, if not in a month, then in two, if not in two they will lose in the second round of the playoffs if they are seeded top 4… If they are lower than that they will lose first round…
Personally i see OKC having no equal… Alot of us are sleeping on Memphis and i don’t know why… Alot of us are sleeping on the Lakers and for no good reason… We lose Odom… So??? Odom was going to get massively reduced minutes with Bynum being healthy… as long as McRoberts shows he can not be a liability on the court in the 15 minutes he plays, we won’t miss Odom as much as people would like to believe… I personally see the Lakers finishing third in the regular season… And going into the second round against Memphis… that is a tough series… But i still expect the Lakers to go through with their length and experience… The conference finals will be between them and the OKC… I don’t think the Lakers as currently constructed can beat OKC in a 7 game series, so i think the run ends there…
by Funkensteinn on Dec 25, 2011 2:05 AM PST up reply actions
So….
1. Odom’s entire regular season last year doesn’t count.
2. Hollinger’s number is the predictor of team success.
3. How did the Lakers do against Paul and a bunch of nobodies in the playoffs last year?
4. Odom wasn’t going to play significant minutes because Bynum is now healthy.
5. Pau can run the floor with Blake.
Gotcha.
So...
1. 1 season is suddenly an indicator of how that player is going to always play, although he has always been inconsistant… Oh does that mean that the Lakers shit storm in the playoffs last season suddenly makes their front line shorter, turns Kobe into Luther head? Oh yeah ill just put aside the logic that the Lakers front line is suddenly 5ft tall and that last seasons playoffs were truly indicative of this teams talent and cohesion… what they were back to back champions you say They have Kobe Bryant?? They have two 7 footers?? nahh fuck it they flamed out in one post season after three years of near dominance, thats all we need to know right?
2. Hollingers number is a good place to start i never placed a full argument based on it though… Its like using steals and blocks to judge defense, when in reality thats not the way to judge it…
3. They beat Paul and a bunch of nobodies last year… Oh do u remember how demotivated the Lakers were last year?? Ohhh riiiight u know how easy it is to keep your motivation up after three straight finals with a coach who doesn’t even yelp
4. Odom was definitely not going to play massive minutes any more… Only time he would have is if Gasol or Bynum had gone down… That is when the Lakers will really feel his absence..
5. Wait let me guess… Deandre Jordan is going to stop Bynum?? Or wait I’ve got it Blake is going to suddenly turn into a world class defender and stop Gasol as well as massively out producing him on the offensive side of things??? Hang on I’ve got it, Chris Paul is going to turn the Lakers team into dummies averaging 30 points 14 assists and 10 rebounds, while Kobe will go for a measely 10 points 1 assist and 1 rebound… Yeah the Clippers are going to totally demolish the Lakers… By the way, i heard theyre recruiting my grandmother to play for their bench…
You want to give up on a team that played so out of character last season go ahead… But i prefer to use logic… And logic suggests that this team can compete until the conference finals where it will probably meet OKC and lose… But hey what do i know, lobs win championships right?
by Funkensteinn on Dec 25, 2011 6:12 AM PST up reply actions
Keeping it short
1. I think Lamar’s turned it around from being the inconsistent player he was a few years ago. Will his numbers drop? Probably. But I think he’ll also have somewhat of an easier time with a little less responsibility in Dallas, and he should probably still be coming off the bench. And while the Lakers aren’t suddenly an 8th seed or anything, Lamar was our 3rd/4th best player on two championship teams, and we are older.
2. Hollinger…. Blah. I’m glad you didn’t continue, because I’m remembering a prediction of Cavs vs Suns in the finals.
3. I think the important thing to remember is how easily Paul (and good PGs in general) tear apart the Lakers. Fish is too old and Blake’s D last year was bad and we need a better defender for players like CP3. If we don’t have one, the Clippers are dangerous simply because of CP3.
4. I agree, but I don’t trust Bynum staying up. I’m really hoping he does, and I think I read that he lost a lot of weight somewhere, which is a great start. Not much to say here, time will tell.
5. I don’t think the Clippers and the Lakers are as far apart as every one’s making them out to be. That said, I trust a motivated Lakers team, filled with some of the toughest competitors(When they want to be) to compete and probably beat anybody. If they aren’t out there playing like the Lakers of 08/09 and 09/10, then they probably would lose to the Clips tbh. There’s a very distinct difference in the level of play of this Lakers squad when motivated and when lethargic, probably more so than any team in the league. We go from 3 straight finals appearances to a 2nd round sweep without a big loss in talent. We go from 17-1 in a tough part of the schedule, to a 5 game losing streak. The Lakers, more than any one, have to play at the top of their game and be fully motivated to be successful. I could see us winning a championship with this squad (I don’t think we will, but I wouldn’t be too surprised) and I could see us being a 5th seed that loses in the first round. This year is a bit up in the air, imo.
Finally a nice logical comment about this debacle
I dont agree that Lamar will have less responisiblity at the Mavs, Lamar will be arguably the 2nd best player on the team with Tyson Chandler gone, he will be playing immense and intense minutes… Lamar is definitely a loss… A huge one? Well you would think so, but im just not sold on it… I love lamar and last season was lovely but i can’t forget the amount of games the dude just took off for no apparent reason… Whether he has changed his identity remains to be seen, i mean he is in the 30’s and the move to the mavs would really have unsettled him, in comparison to the stability he found last year with the Lakers and his marraige.. To be honest, I’m not sold Lamar is anything other than inconsistant with the extreme luck of the planets aligning perfectly for him last year, in the regular season.
Hollinger is a dip-shit.. But his statistics do offer insight… His PER and EFF stats are great indicators of individual talent and influence… So yes Hollinger is a dip shit, Michael Jordan was an arrogant prick, doesn’t mean there isn’t anything useful from the two…
Yes the point guard position is a worry… Yet Mike Brown offers better defense (theoretically) so this is something we really have to wait on.. The main point is this… CP3 won’t beat us on his own and with Blake totally nullified (aside from a few dunks) by Bynum and Gasol, CP3 needs to play his ass off for some historic numbers… Also i think Morris will help in regards to athletisicm… Also in regards to Steve Blake, we need to remember, he had a very uncharacteristic season last go… Just like Lamar Odom had an outstanding last season yet im cautious, i also have to be fair and say, past patterns dont suggest Blake will continue to play like he did last season… And with a more traditional system in place for the team, i really do see him rising to our initial expectations…
Contrary to popular belief… I trust Bynum to stay up… Bynum has not collapsed suddenly from a sudden change in direction, or a crooked landing.. His injuries have both involved extreme bad luck and collision with other players at just the right angles… Also Bynum won my respect in our last championship when he played the finals injured… But right you are, time will tell…
And yes i agree with almost everything you said here… Which is why i will reinstate, that the Lakers are still FAR better than the Clippers… They are deeper, more experienced, taller and have one of the best players in history… In a 7 game series a Clippers team relying on pick and rolls and lobs just won’t cut it… Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying it wouldn’t go seven, or that the Clips can’t win… But like you i believe if the Lakers play lethargic they are downright aweful… But when the Lakers are motivated, which in all honesty should happen this season more than any, they can challenge and beat any team and are definitely better than the Clips… With that being said the Clippers will probably win the regular season series, because athletisicm just pays off that way… A 7 game series is a whole different book…
haha and don’t worry about keeping it short… This blog is awesome because the people who comment here have something to say and generally don’t troll… Coach always told me If youre not playing ball, then you talk about it, if you can’t talk about it you think about it. if you can’t think about it, you breathe it…
by Funkensteinn on Dec 25, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
its going to be painful
to watch Odom wearing a mavs uniform. it’ll be cool watching him dominate the heat on christmas though
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
I'll still be rooting for him
I’ve got a lot of love for the Candy Man. I’d like to believe Odom wasn’t too far in the wrong
Yep
And it looks like he kept is old #7 too. He’s a good guy and I wish him the best (except against LAL).
Tornadoes suck.
The Lakers wont be squat this year
But they will have their time in the sun again, after all theyre the Lakers!

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