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Los Angeles Lakers 2012 Season Preview: The Defense

It's pretty fair to say that nobody in the particularly large fanbase of the Los Angeles Lakers saw the end of the 2011 season coming. Most of us thought another championship banner was the most likely conclusion. Some may have more logically concluded that a deep, but eventually empty, playoff run was in store. But nobody gazed into the crystal ball and saw a 2nd round sweep coming. We could have ... after all, there were plenty of signs throughout the season that the Lakers just weren't up to the task, plenty of times when the team looked old and slow and lethargic. We took in every one of those signs, and then promptly ignored them. Not because we're stupid or biased, but because we've found through experience that those signs were misleading. Besides, there was one sign telling us the exact opposite.

The defense. The defense gave us hope.

Last year, the Lakers clocked in with a very decent 104.3 Defensive Rating (DR), good for 6th in the league, but that wasn't the encouraging part. For most of the season, the Laker D skirted the top 10, as they have for the past three or so seasons. And then the All-Star break happened. Andrew Bynum as a defensive force happened. The Lakers as a cohesive defensive unit happened. 18 games with a combined 101.8 DR happened. The Lakers went from a very decent defensive team to a dominant defensive team over All-Star weekend. And then, just as quickly as it arrived, the defensive juggernaut disappeared. But it didn't matter, because we'd already seen it. Put that together with a team that hadn't failed to show up when it mattered in over two years, and it was the only sign we needed. The Lakers were going to be just fine.

Now we know the truth. The Lakers were not fine. And it was the defense. The defense which tore our dreams of another banner to shreds.

Star-divide

2012 is (soon to be) a new year, and the Lakers are a new team. And yet, we're left in a precariously similar situation. There are many, many signs which say the Lakers will take a step back defensively. Last year, the Lakers struggled mightily to contain the pick and roll. This year, they've lost one of the league's best help defenders in Lamar Odom. Last year, the Lakers biggest defensive weakness was a lack of perimeter quickness. This year, they've lost the quickest perimeter contributor they had in Shannon Brown (although, to be fair, Brown's defensive instincts were so bad that this is really just subtraction for subtraction's sake). The Lakers have made three key off-season acquisitions: Josh McRoberts, Jason Kapono, and Troy Murphy. None of them can list defense as a strength, and the last two are outright defensive liabilities. None of the Lakers' defensive weaknesses have been addressed via free agency. They still have two very slow point guards. Their "defensive stopper" seems to be aging in dog years. It's difficult to look at all this and think the Lakers can head anywhere but down in terms of defensive performance. There is only one possibility to indicate otherwise.

Mike Brown. Only Mike Brown can give us hope.

The last four years of Mike Brown's stint with the Cleveland Cavaliers are a decidedly mixed bag. From 2009 going backwards, the Cavs ranked 7th, 3rd, 11th, and 4th respectively. But, numbers aside, Brown is considered very much a defensive coach. That's his wheelhouse. And the inconsistency of his team's actual performance over the years is better understood when you consider how many times the Cavs attempted to re-design on the fly, all in the hopes of keeping their talisman. The turnover of players surrounding LeBron was constant, and a fair number of those players have been labeled a defensive liability both before and after landing in Cleveland. We can therefore logically deduce that Mike Brown excels at creating a defensive system which can be tailored to the personnel at his disposal, even if that personnel is limited. That is our hope. That is the Lakers' hope.

That is Mike Brown's hope, too. Make no mistake, this task, this rather large task, is exactly what Mike Brown was hired to do. It was a hire that I wasn't particularly thrilled with, because despite the Lakers' defensive problems, I felt that the offense would need more active engagement in transferring from the Triangle to anything else. That is now beside the point. Mike Brown is the head coach of the Lakers, and his primary responsibility is to ensure the Lakers have a top notch defense despite their shortcomings.

He does have some assets. The biggest is obviously Andrew Bynum. Last season, amidst a year in which he wasn't great offensively, missed a fair bit of time due to injury, and ended up showing the maturity of an overgrown child, the one area where Big Drew finally seemed to "figure it out" was defensively. He was defensively strong all season, but that previously mentioned run of defensive dominance was keyed almost entirely by Drew. He started affecting every shot within 15 feet of the basket. He started pulling down every available rebound. He was the type of defensive captain you can build a team around. Drew needs to be that guy all the time for the Lakers to have the type of defense we have become accustomed to. The next biggest asset is Pau Gasol. Literally, biggest. Gasol is not a great defender, but he does two things exceedingly well; he does not foul, and he plays big. When paired together, Gasol and Bynum do a great job of forming a forest around the basket, and that is the most effective defensive strategy the Lakers have.

Outside the trees, Kobe Bryant remains the most effective perimeter defender on the squad, unless Devin Ebanks can step up to both become a significant contributor and capitalize on the raw defensive ability that got him into the league in the first place. Kobe (probably) remains an excellent defender when he sets his mind to it, but he cannot do so while playing big minutes with a heavy offensive role, so we're not likely to see the Doberman very often. The rest of the players all have certain strengths, but larger weaknesses. Metta World Peace remains one of the strongest defenders in the league, but his lateral quickness is severely limited and he can only effectively defend a certain kind of player (big ones) in a certain kind of situation (where he is allowed to body up). Matt Barnes has great energy, but with limited instincts. Derek Fisher is as savvy as they come, and does his job as part of a team defense perfectly, but he should never have signed that endorsement deal for the company which makes his cement shoes. If Brown can mold all these parts together, figure out a role that suits each player's strengths and compensates for their weaknesses, the Lakers can be a strong defensive team. But that is one mighty big challenge.

In terms of actual strategy, we haven't seen a whole lot in the limited preseason. What we know, in detail because of the preseason opponent, is how the Lakers will attempt to defend the pick and roll. They are clearly opting for a hedge strategy, requiring the big men to hedge out on the screen and force the ball handler to go around them so that the defender trailing the screen has time to recover. Early results are mixed, with Bynum being the most active and effective at both the hedge and recovering to his man. This is encouraging, because the more Bynum excels at being part of the pick and roll defense, the less teams will involve him in the pick and roll, and Bynum is by far the Lakers best weak side help defender as well, since he's the only guy who is a legitimate shot blocking threat. It also remains to be seen whether the Laker bigs can handle this defensive responsibility consistently, considering the amount of energy required to play this style, the limited depth the Lakers have at the 4 and 5, and the compact nature of this year's packed schedule.

Other than that, expect the Lakers to attempt as much as possible to use the one major advantage, excellent size inside, to the greatest possible effect. They will try to filter everything towards Andrew Bynum, and let his sheer size be their greatest defensive attribute. We'll learn more about how Brown plans to handle his team, and what kind of adjustments he comes up with, along the way. With the preseason so short, and the actual time spent with the players who will be a significant part of the roster even shorter, we'll have to see how he handles things on the fly.

He has a reputation for being able to do just that. Let's hope he lives up to it.

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I thought Steve Blake did a fairly decent job defending CP3 last night.

Got in front of him for the most part. He should probably get the majority of minutes against opponents with quick-footed point guards (Clippers, Bulls, Thunder, etc)

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by Mister Larry on Dec 22, 2011 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

If he plays like he did yesterday, absolutely

Keep Fisher to around 23-24 minutes and have Blake play 27-28 off the bench.

I’m not sure that Steve Blake can do what he did yesterday consistently though. He got off to a great start last year too.

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by nyyrocks29 on Dec 22, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Not this great, he didn't.

If he’s still hot in February, I’d say we’ve got ourselves a point guard.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Blake was lighting it up from 3, last night. I’m hoping a new offensive system not framed after the Triangle can bring out the best in Blake.

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by Hensi24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

HUH?

What defense?

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by TheLeetSkeet on Dec 22, 2011 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

They were a gift.
Derek Fisher is as savvy as they come, and does his job as part of a team defense perfectly, but he should never have signed that endorsement deal for the company which makes his cement shoes.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

with lopez out mitch is calling orlando right now

and saying so how do you like my trade now? bynum + luke + MWP + blake and 1st round pick for D12, Turk, and jameer

by dawad34 on Dec 22, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

then we can try to add insult to injury

and trade nelson to the nets for d-will after he requests a trade to the lakers

by dawad34 on Dec 22, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL...that's awesome

As long as we keep Kobe and Pau (and probably Ebanks if he stays healthy) if we get Howard, I’ll be pretty confident in this team. The way Drew played last night makes him quite attractive to the Magic right now.

by dhchampion on Dec 22, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

we have more leverage

but that doesnt mean they have to take a garbage deal.

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If Bynum buys in...

You don’t need much more. D12 proved it. They don’t have a single other person on that team that plays defense besides him. The Lakers have at least 2 (Kobe on occasions, and Pau)

by rshinsec on Dec 22, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

FrankenPeace.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Idk bout Metta Bricks

i think his days as a stopper are behind him…The spirit is willing but the body is yelling No.

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by EmmCeee on Dec 22, 2011 12:28 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Agree

MWP seems to have lost any fire since he got his championship ring. He seems to focus more on non-basketball related activities, or he could be forever scarred by his stint on Dancing with the (non) Stars.

by dhchampion on Dec 22, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Great read

Overall, from what we’ve seen so far, the only disappointments are coming from MWP, Matt Barnes and Fisher’s passes….

MWP is so out of shape, that guy can barely get off the ground (not that he could have before, last year)…. That …uh… shot pass was salvaged by Bynum and his “layups” are….. painful to watch. Every time he brought the ball down the court, I cringed and wished he would pass the ball immediately.

Barnes, like C.A said, has great energy, but the guy needs to chill out. How do you get a flagrant in a preseason game??

Fish isn’t known for being a scoring force, let alone passing, or ball handling, or play making… what was my point again?

Also, I didn’t like how Troy was getting merc’d on by Griffin….. lol….

blah… lol Let’s go LAKERS! >.<

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by Hensi24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

Barnes' flagrant was a Griffin flop. He definitely deserved a foul, but not a flagrant.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that he flopped but the refs were looking at Barnes pushing him down without

making a play on the ball.

That flop on Barnes when Clips turned the ball over was ridiculous, though…

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by Hensi24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

blake is starting to act a little like kg...

when he went to the celtic’s. he’s getting this little arrogance to him, i noticed that, especially last night, when he was fouled by mcbob, and he shoved mcbob out of the way, and shrugged his shoulders like he was flexing. WHATEVA DUDE! i cant stand that shit! he has this fake scowl now, i thought it was hilarious to tell you the truth.

oh no! chris paul brought a swagger to the clipps! lol! are they going to start acting like the celtics now? with this fake tough guy demeanor? i needed a good laugh.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

BG has always had that scowl. You are just now starting to notice it more because you are watching him more closely.

McBob did a pretty dangerous hard foul.

I watch 82 games of this stuff, other teams foul him hard (just look at all the marks and scratches on his arms) and I think he’s just had enough of it. Again, don’t get me wrong, he does stuff to piss people off down there as well (nudges on the lower back, pushing out, etc.) so he isn’t entirely innocent.

But don’t perpetuate a false rumor that he’s weak, because he didn’t do it before and is just now starting to do it with the arrival of backup.

He’s always done it (scowl and attitude). Whether good or bad.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

not that im looking more closely now...

i just didnt care. never said he was weak, (thus the flop with barnes), but my thing is, why act like that, when you havent done shit! thats why i compared him to kg, kg was never like how he is now, until he went to the C’s, and all of a sudden he became this villian. i dont want to have to see someone like blake go the same route. just play ball man, leeave the antics to the lebrons, wades, and kgs, of the league.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant weak as in like "fake gangster"

Like “ohhhh you acting like a big bad wolf now that you have backup, where were you before”

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I also agree, I hate that sh*t and it annoys me too...

Def don’t want to see him go that route..

…I like my blue collar, lunch pale Clips team. That’s why I liked Elton Brand, he just did work.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

From one angle it looked like a flop, on the Clippers channel, they switched the angle and he was clearly pushed

Griff was also kind of off balance.

It wasn’t a flop, it might have just looked worse because Griff was off balance.

It was a flagrant, not because of the severity, but because it was not a play on the ball.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It was OBVIOUSLY a flop

but it was also a correct call because Barnes didn’t make a play on the ball…

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by Hensi24 on Dec 22, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll agree he flopped a lot last night.

But from my point of view that one particular play was not a flop.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

dude...it was a FLOP man!

give me a break, barnes couldnt weigh more than blake if he was wet, and wearing steel toe’s, barnes isnt that strong.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

socal..

i thought they made a new rule with that flopping mess. that if you did it, it was a technical right?

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

They should just get rid of flopping all together. I hate it.

I hated it when Vlade did it, I really hated it when Fish did/does it and I REALLLLLY hate it when BG does it…makes me cringe.

CP3 flops a lot too…bad flopping influence.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Talk about flops...

Mo Williams did the worst flop of all, and it was on offense…dude looked like a circus animal getting tumbled in a dryer. And it cost the Lakers the game.

by dhchampion on Dec 22, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers cost the Lakers the game.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

True

Good point. I should amend my statement to “it cost the Lakers a CHANCE to win the game”. It was a turnover on Mo, the Lakers would have gotten the ball back with a chance to tie or take the lead.

by dhchampion on Dec 22, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

ive seen alot worse than that...

its not like barnes put him in harms way. but it is what it is i guess.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

so

because they got that call wrong, they continue with the bad precedent?

ok

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

you are a very reasonable person. I commend thee.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

no, what im saying is that ive seen alot worse than that.

some ref’s call it, and others swallow there whistles. i was just using that one as a reference, that one was way worse than what barnes did. and for the question i asked earlier, is that i thought the league was going to crack down on flopping.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope they do my man, I hope they do.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

there have indeed been worse fouls, but that still doesnt change anything. It was still a stupid play and deserved a flagrant. Blake sold it a little bit, but Barnes clearly pushed him.

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

necessary call? Maybe not, correct call yeah.

Same with BG hanging on the rim.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, THAT can easily create a brawl...

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by Hensi24 on Dec 22, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

chuck hayes

is available… if we could sign him for cheap he would be perfect for our backup center!

by adammorrison on Dec 22, 2011 12:45 PM PST reply actions  

Hayes will demand some $

He won’t come for the vet min.

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

he's also out with a heart condition

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by LOOOeee on Dec 22, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

what is chuck hayes going to do?

get paid to watch 66 lakers games from the courtside? I’d gladly do that for free.

by herro on Dec 22, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I was hoping we'd hang onto Thomas since Caracter is injured

but oh well

Lakers: The Lakers have waived Zach Andrews, Chris Daniels, Gerald Green, Elijah Millsap and Malcolm Thomas. The roster now stands at 15.

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

I'd have cut Caracter

and given him a spot on the roster instead.

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't give up on Murphy just yet.

He had the deer in the headlights look last night. He’s still trying to fit in and get comfortable. Defense still isn’t his forte but he can put some points up off the bench for us.

by RA37thriller on Dec 22, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

NOOOOOO....my SDSU bretheren.

WHY?! Thomas can play!

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone else love McBob too?

Plays every possession, does the little things, and man was it awesome when he denied Blake the dunk last night. No other Laker even came close to contesting one of those. I’m cautiously optimistic that he could be the team’s gritty intangibles guy this year.

by Robert Horry on Dec 22, 2011 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

Well I wouldn't go that far...

Pau is still one of the best big men in the L. And McBob isn’t that, but to get in Griffen’s face and deny that dunk says a lot about his toughness that perhaps Pau could learn something from.

by Robert Horry on Dec 22, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Brown & Pau look like me talking to my niece last week when she got upset on a playdate.

“It’s okay, sometimes kids don’t always like to play together. That doesn’t mean they don’t like you. It just means they want to play a different game from the one you want to play right now. You guys can play together another day.”

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously... no one wants to be in a poster. i love that mcroberts challenged that dunk

everyone knows all the dunks are going to be on youtube. no one wants to be the next mozgov. mcroberts is willing to take one for the team, even if it potentially humiliates him

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by theshmoes on Dec 22, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Rewatched the 1st quarter

Here’s what I like about McBob
- Cleans up missed shot
- Denies Griffen
- Get’s a hustle block
- Runs the floor hard
- And my favorite, when Griffen tosses the ball to McBob on a turnover, McBob tosses right back at Griffen’s feet.

Hustle and toughness. Two things the Lakers need.

by Robert Horry on Dec 22, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

McBob is a horrible name. Please refrain from.using it. Try Mac mcr, anything but mcbob. Makes these threads difficult to read lol

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by chaucer on Dec 22, 2011 7:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I did. I saw it coming.

We had lost almost every test last year and I was warning people “Don’t believe the hype”

by rosebud on Dec 22, 2011 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

Off-topic, but check out Spears' new article on Yahoo about our twin towers

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AiGJc1AACuC58s7Lf4s8NxS8vLYF?slug=mc-spearsandrew_bynum_pau_gasol_122211

From Bynum via that article:

Bynum isn’t fretting his own future.

"You can’t take it personal because it’s not," he said. "They are not trading you because they don’t like you. It’s because they think they can make the team better, and that’s their job in the front office. All I’m supposed to do is come in and play."

by Hokkun on Dec 22, 2011 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

Not off-topic at all.

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Gasol is pure CLASS

i love the way he handles himself through these trade talks but we gotta move on. it has been a great ride for all of us but we need to prepare ourselves for the future. you’ll always have a place in LA pau.

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by markkk on Dec 22, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

True

But this is a quote from Bynum

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

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by nyyrocks29 on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont know why

But i really don’t want to get rid of Bynum, even for Howard, I just think the dude will be more than good enough if he stays healthy… I’m more inclined to trade Pau Gasol for a good PG and use the Odom TPE on a Milsap or something… I think im attatched to Bynum now… I shall shed a tear if he is traded sigh

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt about talent

Bynum definitely has talent on offense and defense, but constantly worrying about his knees just isn’t cool.

by dhchampion on Dec 22, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah the knees are definitely a constant worry

Yet i mean Bynum doesn’t really have glass knees… None of his injuries were just him running then he drops, or a quick change in step then breaks… There has always been some freakish side to his incidents, like he lands on a foot, or his knee gets pounded by another player…He’s not like Oden, who i think is pretty much doomed… I’m actually going to go out on a limb and say Bynum won’t get injured this year… I mean he doesn’t have career altering injuries… Not in this day and age anyway…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but it's fair to say

that MWP has been a liability on the court… Whereas when Bynum is on the court it is almost always a plus… I like both MWP and Bynum… But i don’t want to get rid of Bynum not just because i like him, but from a basketball stand point, i think he is not where we should be worried and asking for change…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

haha i was just joking about MWP. i think he should be amnestied

i’m on the fence about bynum. he looks healthy for once, and with the brace i think his chances of another freak knee injury are lessened. but if its bynum for dwight straight up, we have to do it, dwight is still better overall. i wouldn’t do pau AND bynum for dwight though.

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by theshmoes on Dec 22, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll still cry like a little girl if Bynum leaves

Until i see D12 dominate…. Then itll reduce to sniffles… Then see championship…. Then I’ll be rocking the Mike Brown smile in the shaggin’ waggin’… Then i pass Orlando and see Bynum… Ill break down again…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s basically telling otis smith, “i am your man!”

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by chaucer on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

gasol did say something along those lines too

Kudos to Bynum :)

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by markkk on Dec 22, 2011 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

he can maybe

split duties with Kapono so they can sort of compensate for their weaknesses.

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He does bring some good hustle

I remember him giving us some trouble in the past… 28 years old, almost 29, sounds OK…. As long as no trade cuts into the playing time of Ebanks, im all for it…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And apparently

Yesterday you couldn’t hide Kapono on O.

Where was he yesterday? A 3pt specialist with no shots and terrible defense is beyond useless.

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by Mister Larry on Dec 22, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Pietrus' shooting sucks?

I can shoot the 3 which is what we’d need him to do.

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by madmaxx350 on Dec 22, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The front line is so thin

We need to give up a SF or SG for Pietrius (sp?)

by Robert Horry on Dec 22, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah Caracter

don’t really think he will get the development necessary at the Lakers… And i honestly don’t see what difference it would make if he did get that sort of playing time… Pietrus is more servicable at this point…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

who was the guy the other day that told me all waived players are garbage

that’s why their released. I think pietrus would be a solid pick up

by purrrrrple on Dec 22, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

we already have 15 rosters spots filled?

i do hope that’s not final. maybe one of those can resign, another amnestied and other used in a minor trade, maybe all of them coming from our glut of SFs. i think SF is a glaring weakness in the team as well though not as terrible as our PG situation, except that with fish on board for a lot of reasons, we can’t do much about that position.

by bypasser on Dec 22, 2011 4:34 PM PST reply actions  

candidates?

someone in another blog mentioned calderon for that lamar tpe. the guy has not defense but could be marginally better than anyone we have (til morris becomes the man). the thing about the point is that i want morris to come to his own. he won’t do it without minutes. so unless it’s deron williams, might as well go rental. am not against an arenas signing either.

by bypasser on Dec 22, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Gasol, Blake + draft pick for Louis Williams and Andre Iggy??? i have no clue if that even fits haha i just put it out there, But im sure we can make a play for them with a Gasol package, i just haven’t looked at what sort of package we could assemble…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to like Louis Williams

But he’s just not that good. He doesn’t really do anything well. Williams isn’t impressive in his scoring, rebounding, passing, or defending. He’s nowhere near the value of a 7-footer in Pau Gasol, even if you combine him and Iggy in a deal.

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by Mister Larry on Dec 22, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

feel bad for nj, all they have left now at C is okur (and petro?)

utah on the other hand playing it’s cards right. they sent a C they won’t use and now have his tpe to use on guards and small forwards. nice one utah. maybe you want to donate favors or millsap with a pick and tpe too, no?

by bypasser on Dec 22, 2011 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

since we're on a slow mode tonight...must be the Christmas rush

was just imagining (so those not interested in pipes scroll way down), if orlando at some point and i hope that is sooner (say after the 5 game suspension) do a dwight for bynum and pieces (let’s not include pau save for if it is for turk, nelson and redick) and those pieces include say blake and an SF (mwp)/barnes which is lowballing on our part.

although watching a d12/pau/kobe lineup looks great and could dominate this league, i would push it further and see what minny (hou can only offer us old pieces, scola is 31) with its rather impulsive gm offers. if they give us the talked about love, beasley and ridnour for pau and throw in a pick, i’d say do it. this gives us youth, talent to win now and spares us the drama next year. all we need now is a pg and i am willing to give morris a chance at it.

then we don’t settle for laxed cap flexibility and move that lamar tpe for someone useful. perhaps we can snag scola or millsap, really depends on how we play this.

then sign pietrus for the sake of signing someone. retire luke and offer him a commentating job.

voila, you have:

pg – ridnour, morris, fisher
sg – kobe, pietrus, goudelock
sf – beasley, barnes, ebanks, kapono
pf – love, millsap, mcroberts, (caracter is thrown in the trade or waived)
c- howard, murphy

give them half the season to work their way around, and maybe get a low to middle seed and battle in the playoffs.

i know this is beating a dead horse and thankfully am not the gm. but what if?

by bypasser on Dec 22, 2011 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

im tellin' you guys!

trade pau for josh smith!!! it wont be a downgrade…TRUST ME!!

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

no point

If we trade Pau we want to address our weaknesses, i can’t see how Josh smith adresses our weakness of having good guards to work with… He definitely adds youth and i do believe his toughness (man is a blocking machine) will benefit us… Yet the Odom TPE could get us a good enough forward… The Pau trade could however get us an exceptional guard, or a mixture of a good guard and a good small forward… If the Pau trade is used on picking up a forward, the Odom TPE becomes pretty useless in acquiring the type of guard the Lakers could rely on…

I think the aim for the Lakers should be to acquire a guard that can put Fish and Blake on the bench and allow Morris to continue developing… A pau trade looks to be the only way the Lakers can address this problem, and as mentioned the Odom TPE could be used to put someone good enough to replace Gasol…

Though i do agree with you, Josh smith is not a down grade when you take into account his age and toughness and athletisicm… But he is a down grade in court savvy and experience… But i think the Lakers just don’t need a J smoove type of player right now…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

99% of this is possible. the 1% that is the absolute pipe dream that even KAHHHHHNNNNN!!!!!!111!! would avoid doing is trading Love.

You might disagree, but there are many in the league with his age, upside and salary that much rather prefer Love > Pau ALREADY.

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by hobojarpen on Dec 22, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually think Love could be acquired...

But if you throw in Ridnour and Beasley… I just can’t see minny throwing in that much for Pau… But they would give up Love if the Lakers offer Pau…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Kahn isn't this stupid
if they give us the talked about love, beasley and ridnour for pau and throw in a pick

by shaqfor3 on Dec 22, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah i agree on this

But i do think Love could be acquired…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Then i stand corrected..

Have we tried a trade for iggy and louis Williams from 76ers?? That trade is playing in my mind and I’m a horrible GM so I’m not sure if it is a pipe dream or could actually work…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

i just feel we give up too much

but i guess you have to

i’d move that lamar tpe for someone for pf or else we’re in a void.

then i’d sign arenas/pietrus

bynum/millsap/iggy/kobe/williams
murphy/mcroberts/barnes/pietrus/fisher
walton/kapono/ebanks/goudelock/morris

nice nice

by bypasser on Dec 22, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

ok...

thing is tell me what top tier pg is out there to make a move? all of the top 10 are locked up.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 22, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions  

A top 10 is not neccessary...

Ive been thinking about a trade with the 76ers… In regards to Louis Williams and Iggy… I havent researched it properly, but it’s been a lingering thought that i haven’t acted on and materialised it into an actual trade scenario… But i do believe it is a viable option… It gives us youth and servicable point guard… a PG who isn’t a liability…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah i think Mitch

Seriously needs to look into this scenario… It does not just give us a good guard and a good SF… But it allows us to amnesty MWP with a massive upgrade in hand and ontop of that allows the Odom TPE to be used on acquiring a good Power Forward to make up for the absence of Pau, possibly Milsap?? I mean imagine a starting line up of – Louis Williams, Kobe Bryant, Andre Iggy, Paul Milsap, Andrew Bynum – The bench we have Barnes, McRoberts, Morris, Fisher, Steve Blake, Ebanks, G-Lock, Murphy and Kapono

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus Iggy can create and if he goes through

the Kobe workout or whatever Ebanks is on then he’ll be finally be that superstar that Philly always thought he could be instead of the allstar payed like a franchise

by jlim4 on Dec 22, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I approve of this trade

GET IT DONE MITCH!!!!!!!

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by nyyrocks29 on Dec 22, 2011 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

no can do

we’d have a logjam at PF :P

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by steffun4tw on Dec 22, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

MWP

not sold on this guy….please find Ron Artest agian…

by Sarge Clemins on Dec 22, 2011 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

THIS

MWP will make a fluke shot to change our minds, but he will give us 80 games before that of absolute crap… I love MWP but from a basketball perspective, i don’t see him as anything other than a liability on Offense and now even on Defense unless he matches up on a Durant or Melo…

by Funkensteinn on Dec 22, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island

discuss

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by SoCalGal on Dec 22, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

McRoberts, Murphy, Gasol, Bynum

Yeah another big who is undersized to say the least, is exactly what we need.

by RA37thriller on Dec 22, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

since when did 6'10 become undersized

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by EmmCeee on Dec 22, 2011 8:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

you said "another" which eluded to the fact that we have other undersized bigs

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by EmmCeee on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

maybe pietrus is better than artest right now? barnes too can’t hit a shot

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by chaucer on Dec 22, 2011 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

most of you prolly already seen this but GODDAMMN!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpzQiERt8I

Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"

by hrghori on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

i trust Gasol and when he says something it has to be true
It was just one example of the overall chippy play between the two teams. Lakers forward Pau Gasol offered an explanation for all the hard fouls after the game.
“I think we were upset that they were flopping a little too much,” said Gasol.

by rballer on Dec 22, 2011 11:54 PM PST reply actions  

Wait, what?
Lakers forward Pau Gasol offered an explanation for all the hard fouls after the game.

Were they like, waiting for them at the parking lot after the game? Lol.

by Hokkun on Dec 23, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Erm, nvm

I took that out of context. I watch too much pro wrestling, lol.

by Hokkun on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

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