Los Angeles Lakers 2012 Season Preview: The Backcourt
If there are any major concerns we should have about this season's Lakers (as presently constructed), they should be focused squarely on the backcourt. Sure, there's Kobe, but take a look at the rest of the guards: Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Jason Kapono, Darius Morris, Andrew Goudelock, Gerald Green, and Elijah Millsap. In other words the Lakers have an All-World legend, a 37 year old defensive liability, a current free agent bust, a one-dimensional shooter whose never clocked meaningful minutes for a good team, a 2nd-Round rookie, and three guys who'll get cut. Ouch!
You could also say Kobe Bryant and nothing else. So weak are the Lakers at guard, Mike Brown is toying with the idea of giving Devin Ebanks (whose yet to show his chops at small forward) some time at back-up shooting guard. Sans Mamba, the situation at guard has the potential to get very ugly. Which is why Kobe has to play better than ever.
For a man who has accomplished what Kobe has, this just might be the year that Kobe Bryant has to do his finest work.
I don't know how he manages to do it, but Kobe seems to start every season with a new point to prove. He's accomplished everything there is to attain in the NBA, but once again, he comes into this season with watchful eyes on him. Is he getting older? That's obvious. I'm sure Chuck is somewhere telling people that "Father Time is undefeated," but is he getting worse because of age? He doesn't think so. Last year wasn't any real indication that a steep drop-off should be expected. Still, not even Kobe was able stop the Lakers from getting rolled in the playoffs. So the question was put on the table: Can Kobe still carry the Lakers?
Such is the life for a 33-year-old player that will cost over $25 million this season. This is why he gets paid the big bucks, and barring another trade, the main reason why the Lakers are currently stuck with such less-than-spectacular options. This season is an important one for Kobe. Believe it or not, a line has been drawn in the sand and the next generation is gunning to knock Kobe off the stoop for good. Can he slow the rising tide?
Let's review...
Point Guard
Projected Starter: Derek Fisher
So far, Mike Brown has stated that Fish will start the season with the first five.
Brown said last week that he plans to start Fisher at point guard when the season starts on Christmas Day against the Chicago Bulls, but he is not rushing Fisher to get ready during the final week of training camp.
Whether that actually happens or how long it does remains to be seen. I would imagine that making sure the point guard of your team (learning a completely new system) gets as much time possible in real-time game time is imperative. Especially given that this is a condensed season. Is making sure the 37-year-old Presidente rests instead of playing one of only two pre-season games really worth sacrificing the important chance to build team cohesion? I don't know. It's not like Fish has been so good that the Lakers can afford for him to just step right in and "do what he do."
How much can we possibly expect from Fish? The very fact that he still starts for this team is the biggest sign of how weak the Lakers are at PG. Aside from moments of clutchness, Fish has done nothing else to keep the starter's gig. With the championship window getting smaller, the Lakers cannot afford for no one to step up and take this job from Fish. Not when the likes of Aaron Brooks is earning contracts based on being matched-up against the Lakers captain. At this point in Fisher's career, it's an awfully huge bet to make hoping a new coach and system would change anything. His defense is terrible, he isn't a great passer, and he's one the the worst fast-break players in the NBA. Never mind that he can't create his own shot.
I don't mean to bag on Fish. I appreciate all of his accomplishments in Purple and Gold, but if the Lakers are going to keep this ship moving forward, someone is going to have to remove Fish from the starting gig.
Projected Primary Backup: Steve Blake
Simply put, Steve Blake has to earn his money this year. He was an absolute bust last season. He was hesitant, shot poorly, didn't make plays, and didn't defend any better than D-Fish did. All of this in the first year of a 4-year/$16 million deal. Check his stats:
20.0 minutes, 35.9% FG, 37.8% 3P, 86.7% FT, 2.2 assists, 1.9 rebounds, 0.5 steals, and 0.9 turnovers in 79 games, 0 started
Not good. He had plenty of time and opportunities to take a role Fish was begging to have taken from him. Seems like one huge whiff by Mitch. Fortunately, if there's any player besides Andrew Bynum who has the most to gain from a new coach and system, it's Blake. It's easy to use the Triangle as an excuse for neutering Steve Blake's otherwise decent play-making capabilities. Could it be that he was just uncomfortable playing under Phil Jackson? An uneasiness that caused his shooting to suffer as well? He seemed to never know when he should shoot, as if he was too worried about drawing the ire of Phil Jackson, trying hard not to screw up an offense that has dominated the NBA in the past twenty seasons.
This job might start out as Fisher's, but really it's Steve Blake's to lose. If he can't supplant Fisher as starter, start ticking the clock on his departure from L.A.
Other Notables: Darius Morris
I know some of you are excited about Darius. He looked good yesterday, and under Mike Brown, should get the chance to contribute this season. But let's be realistic. Morris is a rookie drafted in the second round. A rookie drafted in the second round playing point guard for the championship contender Los Angeles Lakers, with its superstar reeling and salivating over the chance to tie Michael Jordan in rings. That's a ton of pressure.
If you're pinning your championship hopes on this kid, then either Derek Fisher and Steve Blake will be playing absolutely, mind-boggingly terribly or Morris will be playing absolutely out of his mind. Which one do you think is a more likely situation? We pray it's the latter, but the chances of that are slim. The Lakers' best bet is for Morris to earn his stripes and become a nice surprise who can contribute in the playoffs.
Shooting Guard
Projected Starter: Kobe Bryant
As I stated earlier, all eyes are going to be on Kobe. With such a weak crew of help at guard around him, he's going to have to play quite efficiently. More than likely, he's going to be asked to handle a heavy load of distribution, and what should be a re-emphasis on the post, how Kobe handles his role as play-maker and decoy will determine how well this offense plays.
The defense's ability to slouch back and help in the post will largely depend on Kobe's shooting, driving, and play-making. Unless whomever is playing PG and SF are shooting the lights out (which they failed to do last season), the only extra attention that will be paid, besides Drew and Pau, will be to Kobe. He'll be expected to make the defense pay if they sag, or find his bigs if the defense is forced to pay too much attention to him.
The reason he's going to have to play ultra-efficient on offense is because Kobe's defensive intensity is going to have to be consistent all year. Let's face it, Kobe isn't young enough to give the same intensity on both ends of the floor night in and night out. I'm not being biased in my approval of his 1st Team All-NBA nod, but his First team All-Defense was questionable. Even for the hardest core of Kobe fanatics. Of course Kobe can still play elite defense, but he didn't always try to last season. Under a coach who preaches defense above all else, Captain Kobe will be expected to lead by example.
I look forward to the shame of getting swept, plus a new coach and teammates, multiplied by his doubters, giving Kobe a new focus on this season, and a change of mindset. I don't expect the "big dog eats first," Shaq-esque attitude he had immediately following the Lakers Game 4 loss, to continue. The ideal situation would be for Kobe to increase his defense and play-making while dialing back a bit on offense, but increasing his efficiency. Might be a tall order for any player to make in his 16th season, but this is why Kobe gets paid the big bucks.
Other Notables: Jason Kapono, Devin Ebanks (?)
Jason. Kapono. Is. Our. Backup. Two. Guard. Did I mention we have Kobe Bryant?
Seriously, I get it. They brought in Jason Kapono because of his marksmanship from long range, but he's never faced meaningful minutes for a team that has championship aspirations. Really, all he can do is shoot. Will it be enough to make us forget the defensive sieve, highlight show, jacker that was Shannon Brown?
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Help from the TPE?
Is there someone for whom the Odom TPE could be used woh would provide for our needs in the backcourt. Even though the triangle is gone, we still have Kobe with the ball in his hands for much of the clock, so all we really need is a good shotting guard, not necessarily a true point. This team lost last year because there was nobody to make defenses pay for doubling Kobe. We need shooting help at the other guard and with a forward who can spread the floor by making shots. That will also open things up for the bigs inside.
As I watched last night, I kept thinking about the amnesty and the #1 candidate was Metta World Peace. He did play some defense, but bobbled a layup opportunity, managed to hit the rim several times (an upgrade from last season), and generally seemd to be wishing someone else would shoot, even when he had a good look.
Morris had great energy, but looked like he was trying to make the team by shooting rather than getting the ball to open guys. That said, I think he did have three assists.
Ebanks got all his shots to go, but looked lost on defense and had a dumb foul.
The exhibition season is awfully short to make all these decisions.
by celticandlakerfanreally on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions
They gotta give Darrius a shot...
What he at least has is ‘some’ speed… he does not have elite quickness – but apparently will make opposing PGs work to guard him…
I am hoping Darrius & Ebanks surprise…
The dream scenario would be Darrius, Kobe, Ebanks, Pau, Bynum
Backup Blake(sorry Fish), Kapono, Barnes, Metta, and McBob or any ‘5’ that can rebound…
Why would you expect the Lakers to use the Odom TPE?
They didn’t use the Sasha TPE.
The Lakers are in clear cost cutting mode despite signing that ridiculous Fox deal.
Hopefully their commitment to the bottom line results in Luke Walton’s forced retirement.
Hope
One hopes they’re more strategic this year. I’ve got to trust this ownership after the past three decades.
by celticandlakerfanreally on Dec 20, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Less time to use it, they have a whole year to use Odom's
Also the amount difference.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Time difference?
It didn’t take them long to salary dump Odom (to the team he picked, even!) nor does it ever take them long to find a buyer of our first round picks. But I guess it must take a lot longer to be the salary dumpee?
We weren’t locked out for 365 days. If the Lakers wanted to improve the roster using that TPE they could’ve gotten it done, but they didn’t want to take on more salary because they haven’t filled up enough trust funds yet.
LOL, who took a dump on your desk today?
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we need a real pg
i dont know whos out there, what possibilities there are, but we need another playmaker. what pisses me off is that the clippers get TWO quality pg who both possess a killer mentality that alone makes them way better. not to mention they also have mo williams whos no slouch himself. what are our options?
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by j squared on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i know!
how the hell did the clippers pull that off!?
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
i wonder...
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
no...
what i meant was, how the hell, the paul debacle aside, did the clippers manage to nab, not only billups, but mo williams as well? thats a 3 headed monster at one position right there. but yet the lakers got fisher, blake and………………………………………………………….
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Read this Woj article and it will shine some light on that.
It does come off as a little JFKish but it is totally plausible and I can see every bit of that going on in Heil Hitler… I mean Stern’s office, and have no doubt it went down like that.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_trade_nba_david_stern_121511
by purrrrrple on Dec 20, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
stern is a POS!! period!
i dont see how, or why owners are afraid of this dude. sterns time will come, just a matter of time….
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Don't buy it.
I also hate Woj, but that’s just me.
I do think the CP3 was a HUGE debacle though.
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I'd probably take Magic
over any of the other Laker PG options at this point. At the very least, he’s still tall…
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Wondah, sorry to be nitpicking, but you have a typo
He’ll be expected to make the defense pay if the sag, or find his bigs if the defense is forced to pay too much attention to him.
Lakers fan since the first grade.
It's amazing that a quality player and local boy like Nick Young
sat rotting on the vine for so long before the Wiz threw him some chump change because he had no other choice. We couldn’t of used Sasha’s TPE to get him out of Washington, that is a quality back up SG right there, You could also envision Kobe playing some 3 on smaller Forwards to allow Young and Kobe to run the wings together. So much doesn’t make sense these past few weeks, there have been so many quality players that seemed there for the taking and Mitch makes no moves, are other FO’s afraid to deal with us after Stern dropped the hammer on us? I would be happy if we still gave Gasol to Houston and take back the pieces they were giving N.O. to us instead. Dragic and Martin would definitely shore up our Guard problems.
Great point about Houston trade!
If Mitch had any sense at all, he would have done as you mentioned. Imagine having Odom and Scola in the frontcourt, with Martin at SG, Dragic at PG, and Kobe at SF??? Championship for sure. Mitch hasn’t done crap, he got lucky with the Pau Gasol deal. Everything else he’s done has been garbage. However, don’t know how much of that is dictated by Buss and Buss Jr. as well, so…
what's your problem??
Are you telling me Scola (18 ppg, 8 reb), Martin (18 ppg, 38% 3pt shooting), and Dragic (who has torched teams when Nash isn’t around at Phoenix) would not be a great trade for Pau? You need a chill pill. Actually, get your head examined. Plus the Lakers would still have Lamar off the bench or as a trade chip for Dwight Howard. Of course you are probably Mitch then I understand your post completely, but please still have your head checked out.
He's right...
…relax. I find it funny that once the Lakers aren’t the clear cut favorite in the league, all of a sudden Mitch is a moron who can’t do his job. Was it the ghost of Jerry West that put together the team that made it to the Finals 3 years in a row?
This reminds me of the same people who get pissed off when a TV show does something shocking that they don’t like, and all of a sudden it’s the worst show of all time and the writers have no idea what they’re doing.
The season hasn’t even started. The Lakers, while they have faults, are still a top tier team. Let’s see how the season plays out before you proclaim that “Mitch hasn’t done crap [except put together a team who made it to the Finals 3 years in a row]”
by SV Narine on Dec 21, 2011 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The team we have now can win a championship. That's good enough for me.
We don’t need to do Extreme Makeover NBA Edition.
by RA37thriller on Dec 21, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
There was no way Washington was going to let us S&T him over for something like $28 million/5 years.
So that’s a moot point. As for the Houston deal, I would only like it if there were giving us Lowry, Scola, and maybe some other pieces, and that might be too much for Houston, particularly since they’re high on Lowry.
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Free Agent Options?
There are still a few guys we could really benefit from picking up (even if we had to use the TPE to do so).
What about:
Mickael Pietrus (Best option IMO)
Andrei Kirilenko (even tho he’s a F not a G)
DeShawn Stevenson
Michael Redd
Thoughts??
I wouldnt waste the Odom TPE for fillers
the Odom TPE would give us more flexibility down the line, I’d rather trade Pau to Min (see below) and flip one of the assets that we would acquire for a shot creator.
MIN = Pau, Blake and 1st rd draft pick from Mavs
Lakers = Love, Beasley, Pekovic, Ridnour
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"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
by markkk on Dec 20, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the lakers need a pg...
and there is NO ONE on the horizon. the only one to to you the truth, resides right next to the “other guy” the lakers covet in orlando.
Whatever happened to Iverson....
Is that fool still playing?
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i really wish the lakers could at least try...
and swing some deals with the 76ers, or the hawks for either, josh smith, or andre igoudala. i really think the lakers would have a better shot at j-smoove, with gasol, and just knowing that j-smoove wants to play in a bigger market. try it, why not? i can see it now…
bynum (for now)
josh smith
barnes (igoudala? if no jm)
bryant
fisher/blake/morris…
josh smith would bring way better defense at the 5, and would help bynum from time to time. just my thoughts. i just want the lakers to quit lolly-gagging around and stop waiting for the trade deadline, and make some moves already!
Josh Smith would do
but can you please show us how would the trade look like? in addition if the FO is still all in for D12 we wont have any assets to throw at them or even cap space to absorb Turk’s fat ass contract.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
i think that dwights heart is in new jersey
the guy is a pipe dream imo.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
but we should still try or the FO should see what’s in the trade market for Bynum. Transition should begin now all of our hopes are pinned on Bynum’s glass knees and his potential for stardom; if it breaks or he doesn’t become all star caliber player our future would be doomed.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
and the way stern did the lakers dirty!!
that SOB wont let nobody trade with the lakers now, and i dont know why. did d-fish piss off stern that bad? im leery of every move now as a fan.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Stern is full of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!
but we have to move on. whats done is done.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
Stern POS!!
Stern is Darth Vader and the Emperor rolled into one…how does he keep his job? He’s always given the Lakers a hard time, even before this blatant garbage he pulled this season.
You do remeber that Bynums Knee problems all occured from his own players rashing into his knees, right?
All of Bynum’s knee injury issues were freak accidents. If the kid was just running down the court and his knees exploded from non contact I’d understand, but he’s not Greg Oden. Even when he did get the injuries he rehabbed extremely hard and bounced back rather quickly. I really think his injury concerns are constantly blown way out of proportion on this site and others.
he did look pretty strong last night
he had a “pep” in his step. i was happy about that.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
but still a concern.
we can all say its blown out of proportion, but would you rest you future on his knees and mere potential for stardom?
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
No one crashed into his knee when he was first injured in '08. He came down from a rebound on LO's foot, not LO's fault.
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i like pau better than josh smith
smith is a high flyer and a shot blocker but he is challenged offensively and wouldnt be a good fit in the lakers offense. at least thats what i think
he's still young
and can learn a lot of things. if we don’t get value for Pau this year i think his stock would be lower next year or worse even lower than what it should be.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
right
but what happens when opponents take gasol out of his gm? he’s a liablity on the defensive end, and like you said, josh dont need to score, as more to blocking everything on his side. josh isnt afraid to bang.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers Need to Look at Arenas
They no longer have Odom to do a lot of ball handeling and Fischer is 49 years old…
Arenas is 29, who without that dumb ass suspension would still prolly be a top-10 PG in the NBA.
I’m a Warriors fan, and I even see the logic in it. I know what Arenas can do and if motivated on a 1-year deal (and healthy of course), he’s a sure 18 pts/6 ast. per night and a great rebounding PG.
Give him a year and $5M, they’d be grateful they did it!
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I don't know...
He’s a very ball-dominant guard. Doubt he would fit at all with our starters. Also, he’s probably looking to sign for more than the vet’s min.
However, if he’s willing to accept a role as the bench leader while taking on the vet’s minimum as well, I’d be happy to see him on this team. Low risk, high reward. This is still a very unlikely scenario, though.
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i'd like to give Arenas a shot
but i just feel like we should give the PT to Darrius Morris. if he will play the 2 for vet min then im all in.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
D-MO
is going to be one hell of a pg for the lakers, you heard it here 1st (like y’all didnt know). i have alot of confidence in this kid. hes a better, more, shot effecient, version of jordan farmar. the kid is fearless. he tried to take it to deandre last night, dude didnt care! i like his ball handling skills. this kid is going to be awesome.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
i'd like to compare him to andre miller early in his career.
looks like they have the same game, pass first pg with the ability to slash.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
That would be NICE!
Yeah, he looked real good last night. I’m glad he’s playing for Brown and NOT Phil. He would never see the light of day with Phil. The Lakers as is do not even need a scoring PG, just one who can make the right decisions, not turn it over, and play decent defense. I believe D-Mo can do that. Fingers crossed…
lol...
lets see if that nickname sticks dhchampion. D-MO!! i like it.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
No, and no.
Gilbert Arenas is like a Xeroxed copy of a copy of a copy of an original document – it kind of looks like the original document and you can tell it might have once held value, but now it’s barely legible and has become practically useless. Some people will still try to use it because they’re too lazy to look for an alternative, but they end up regretting it later.
Agree
Arenas USED to be good. But even then, the chemistry issues he created in the locker room outweighed his talent. Now with bad knees, totally not worth it. Give the young kids (Morris, Ebanks) a chance, they’ll work out nicely in the future, maybe even in the near future.
Well, we can't give him that kind of money since we're restricted to the minimum at this juncture.
And your prediction for him is far too rosy, but I think he can contribute in the right context. Last night when we had a lineup of Morris/Kapono/Ebanks/Murphy/McRoberts, the ball just stood still whenever it didn’t go to Morris — which was partially due to communication issues and a new group of guys having no idea what to do with one another, as Morris should be able to run good P&R sets with Murphy/McBobs with Kapono and Ebanks spacing the floor — and you can always use a guy who can handle the ball and create a little. I guess it depends a lot on where Arenas is now physically and whether he can cut down on the gunning enough to create for others.
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"hes a sure 18 pts/6 ast. per night and a great rebounding pg"
dude…he couldnt even do that in orlando, much less here in L.A. we already have one chucker in MWP we dont need another one. no thank you.
Arenas didn't start in Orlando and only played 20mpg.
Granted, he’d still only play 25 a game. Also MWP is a bench unit guy now. The Chukars would be on different units.
I think Clippers are a more dangerous team this season
but what about the other teams? I’m talking about the Spurs, Mavs, Thunder, Bulls, Heat, and Celtics.
Proud to be a brony.
competition is stiff this year
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
Sometimes
I feel like we’re the bottom among the elite-ranked teams since other teams do better than us for some reason. I feel nervous about this season since Lakers are still getting used to the new coaching system and may falter on offense and this season.
Proud to be a brony.
maybe we are.
we’re old and learning on the fly will be a tall task for this team, I would like to see major roster changes. the twin towers that we have simply wont do.
"If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results." - Kobe Bryant
"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
We'll need to utilize the bench
and younger players more. McRoberts, EBanks, Morris, and probably Kapono (if he makes it to the roster) will need to get more playing times.
Proud to be a brony.
the thunder are the best in the west right now
with memphis.
I think to much is being made about Morris being a 2nd round pick Rather than his actual talent level
Quite a few scouts had him as a 1st round prospect this year and a definite 1t rounder next year. Personally where a player was drafted doesnt mean a thing if the Kid can play the position and play it better than what we already have. He cant shoot better than Fish or Blake at this point but at 1st glance he looks to be a better passer and can actually penetrate and brreak down the defense. He also looks much better than Fish or Blake in the open court. The future is now and barring any trades we have what we have so id rather him be out there with Kobe Gasol and Drew than with the 2nd team. Besides Kobe we pretty much suck in the backcourt To that point I wouldnt mind seeing Ebanks out there with the 1st team and Barnes coming off the bench instead of Metta Bricks. Mixing the young guys with the starters and then having Blake and Barnes on the 2nd team will be good for the team IMO
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I still dont get how Fisher can still be a starter...smh
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out of respect?
hahahah. Morris should start! FTW!
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"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," - Kobe Bryant
this...
I can handle dealing with rookie mistakes vs a vet doing the same thing
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So true
I’m hoping Mike Brown thinks the same way. At this point, we can’t really do any worse than Fisher and/or Blake. Giving Morris and Ebanks a chance will only accelerate their improvement and help the team come playoff time.
There's nobody on this team who's proven to be better
No coach is simply going to give a second round rookie the starting job over a guy who hasn’t missed a start in 5 years.
I agree to give Morris an opportunity, but I also think he should earn it. With the current roster, I also probably would make Fisher the starter at first. Though I’d be quick to change things up if he isn’t cutting it also.
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agree with everything
now if only the lakers can get goudelock to start raining 3’s, the lakers would have a pretty decent back court.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 20, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
i wouldnt have minded him getting some PT last night
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amen
nothing could have gone wrong anyway.. we were in the fourth quarter down 20.
Lakers fan since the first grade.
Lol Metta Bricks
Sounds like a pokemon
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or a super villain lol
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FO is eerily quiet. Should we expect big changes in the near future?
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The Lakers have to play Morris.
If they don’t play him, then Lakers are not putting the best team on the floor. He is a solid point guard and it would be beneficial for them in the long-run. Rookies contributing on contending teams can happen.
by E-ROC on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Like Blake Griffin for the Clippers last season
There’s a reason why he was the Rookie of the Year.
Proud to be a brony.
I heard that Morris would have been a top 15 in the upcoming draft had he stayed
many felt he left too early.
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As a second round rookie he needs to earn his minutes
I’m not in love with the other PG options either but I don’t agree with just handing a second round rookie the starting job. I’m all for giving him an opportunity off the bench to contribute and I’m all for making him a starter if he does well. But he needs to earn it in my opinion.
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Steve Blake
I think Steve Blake, if given the minutes, will do well as a starter.
I don't think Goudelock is getting cut, FYI.
Millsap, Green, and Thomas were all definitely screwed by the short camp/preseason since they never really had an opportunity to do anything out there, but we’re definitely keeping Goudelock for the forseeable future.
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Yeah, that was odd, especially with the end of the game being a blowout and all.
Hopefully he sees some PT tomorrow.
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I see no reason keep him.
I don’t see where he is going to get playing time. Morris, Blake, and Fisher have that spot wrapped up. Its a toss up at the two with Kobe, Kapono, and/or Ebanks. I don’t see him playing next year either.
by E-ROC on Dec 20, 2011 6:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You don't blithely throw away resources.
Especially ones we went out of our way to draft. Courtesy of the new CBA, we have unlimited D-League assignments, so he’s never going to lack for PT, and in a shortened season, you can never have enough depth. Not keeping him would be monumentally stupid.
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He's the fourth point guard on the team.
Youth is already served at the position in the form of Darius Morris. If he was a two guard with the actual size to play the position, then I would keep him. I don’t see the necessity. He’s talented and can score but he’s behind three other point guards.
Goudelock is an off guard in a point guard's body.
His minutes will come from the point guard position because Kobe and Kapono has that SG position locked. Goudelock can’t guard twos either.
So we throw him away for nothing?
When we lose positively nothing by keeping him on the roster? Seriously? And with a new CBA in which we can basically keep him in the D-League the entire year? This is less about what he contributes next season and more about the fact that getting rid of a draft pick for nothing when you’re not being forced to do otherwise drips of pointlessness.
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The roster will be full at 15 players.
The Lakers are going to need that roster spot if and when they make trades. So they are going to dump him anyway, virtually for nothing along with Caracter as an injury waive. If the Lakers stop trading away their picks in either round, they will have enough to find someone like Goudelock. Or they could go to the D-League get a scorer. If the owners were kind enough to treat the roster like the MLB does, then I would keep him, but that’s not the case. I’ll be shocked if the Lakers kept the roster at 15 players going into the season. They’ll need that spot for possible trades.
I know the CBA puts constraints on the Lakers ability to get high end talent that is expensive. They’ll have plenty of draft picks between now and in two seasons. The Lakers should be able to find another player of his ilk such as John Jenkins.
...so you would dump him PREEMPTIVELY for a possible future trade?
…when that trade may or might not happen, ignoring the fact that we could probably unload players in that trade that would make the players going in and out equal, making it a moot point, or just as easily waive someone, you know, when that trade or free agent signing actually happens and requires it, not now for no reason at all, especially since Goudelock costs the team just about nothing in salary to keep on the roster. Sure, Goudelock isn’t a big prospect or anything, but I’d take one that has had a year of D-League seasoning over what anyone we get in the draft next year can contribute, especially when it costs us nothing to do so. There is quite literally no reason to let him go until we need to.
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The ONLY reason to drop him...
Would be if the roster was full and we needed 1 more spot to sign somebody else. And like Ben said, we can send him to the D-league if we wanted.
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It would be a full roster.
They could waive Caracter first and Goudelock would definitely be the guy next on the chopping block when trades happen.
just took a look at the Lakers' roster and depth chart and it seriously made me laugh...
I mean, WTF!? How did it come to this? It’s as if the basketball gods are playing a cruel joke on us Laker fans (i.e. David Stern).
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Fill me in
Did Ebanks play well in the 2nd half? I tuned out after halftime, it was getting late.
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions
He played pretty well last night
had a 3 and nice drive to the cup….produced more than Barnes and Meet Bricks did
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I know that this is a stretch (well, calling it a stretch would actually be understating it),
but would the Lakers picking up Arenas (and hopefully, find some semblance of his past self) have any influence on where Dwight Howard wants to go?
Probably not,
but if Dwight Howard lands here, that might influence where Gilbert Arenas wants to go.
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, definitely heard that.
Just wondering if the inverse might be true.
I wish,
it’s kinda hard to keep up any hope for a D12 trade with all the haters.
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:34 PM PST reply actions
sigh,
I look forward to the future where basketball reasons no longer exist.
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
No,
he shall be called from this point on He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM PST reply actions
reply fail
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
You know,
on Clippers Nation, they’re totally blasting laker fans. It’s kinda annoying.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:40 PM PST reply actions
then don't go there
not snarking you, just saying
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 20, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I know
but I’m just saying that I hate that I can’t go 10 minutes through school without hearing some band-wagoner saying: " OMG, did you see the Clippers totally kill the Fakers yesterday?"
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
tell them
“yeah, what was the score again? I couldn’t see the scoreboard through all the championship banners.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
or
just ignore them, and let’s see who’s holding the trophy in the end.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 20, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Can someone
please fill me in on who the Lakers will be playing tomorrow?
by AstroZombie on Dec 20, 2011 8:42 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Clippers again
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Will it be on Fox Sports West again?
by AstroZombie on Dec 20, 2011 8:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think it might be on KCAL 9 since it's a road game.
I miss Spero on the radio though!
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by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Dec 20, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
KCAL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 20, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you!
Oh, just one more question, sorry. Will the game be on at the same time?
by AstroZombie on Dec 20, 2011 9:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
In my dreamland world the Lakers somehow magically acquire both Dwight Howard and Deron Williams
First they trade both Gasol and Bynum for Howard and Turkoglu.
Then after the season the Lakers relinquish rights to anyone who has a contract up. Then trade steve blake to a contender with a TPE or to a cap space team who wants him. Try to find some sucker who wants Hedo(Kings maybe lol). Then amnesty Metta. Luke and Fish both retire(if Luke doesn’t he’s an expiring.Same with Fish).
The only players under contract would be Kobe,and Dwight. That would leave LA with 15 million dollars under the cap(not counting the 9 from Odom tpe). They then sign Deron to a contract that increases drastically in two years, after Kobe retires(he could still have a Chandler like deal of 13 mill the 1st year). And they use the full mid level exception to sign a quality role players looking for a ring and the Odom TPE. Then we use the vet minimum to fill in the rest of the holes.
Walah! You have the best trio in basketball-Kobe, D-Will, D12
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noice but i could live with dwight/hedo/nelson coming here or just dwight for bynum and pieces
d12/pau/kobe…deadly post and wing play
then in some other wave of madness, the twolves (kahhhnn) give up the proposed love, beasley, and ridnour (they can keep pekovic) for gasol (heck even throw in blake and a pick).
then i’d sign arenas. we’ve signed too many players looking for a second chance, why stop now?
then i’d be as greedy as hell to steal someone for dallas pick + lamar tpe. the only one in my mind now is millsap.
then we’d be:
ridnour/morris/fisher
kobe/arenas/goudelock
beasley/barnes/mwp/ebanks(walton retired or amnestied, preferably retired)
love/millsap/(caracter was given to orl)
howard/mcroberts/(murphy was given to orl)
yup the battle ends that day. win now.
this season (barring any big moves like bynum for dwight, pau for love etc) feels like la lakers: the last stand
not that i don’t like fighting from our harshly low position
I thought last season was the last stand...
Now we’re in some weird phase in which we’re simultaneously adapting to a new system while still trying to contend for a title.
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so we're now in limboland...couldn't get any worse
only way to go is up
For a man who has accomplished what Kobe has, this just might be the year that Kobe Bryant has to do his finest work.
Is it too controversial to say that Kobe’s finest years are behind him?
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
yes and no.
Obviously, his prime is fading. What I mean is that the Lakers might need him to be better than before. He could be better by becoming more of the facilitator Kobe. Less assassin.
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by wondahbap on Dec 21, 2011 4:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Awww, you're so sweet. Thanks!
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lol
i wake every morning hoping to see that we traded for dwight
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
and every morning im disappointed
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
I woke up yesterday extremely dissopointed...
I had one of those vivid dreams where you remember everything and it seems real. Well, in my dream we traded Pau, Walton (with the guarantee he would retire) & the Dallas 1st round draft pick to Minnesota for Love, Beasley, Ridnour & Pekovic. We then flopped Beasley, along with Bynum and Blake, for Dwight & Turkoglu. Man that dream was sweet.
PG – Ridnour, D-Mo, Fish
SG – Kobe, Ebanks, Kapono, Goudelock
SF – Barnes, Turkoglu, Metta
PF – Love, MAC, Caracter
C- Howard, Pekovic, Murphy
But then i woke up.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
lol
i do think it would benefit the Lakers to do something with Pau now while his trade value is still somewhat high. A love extension is unlikely plus he played for Ucla and would love (ha) to play for tha hometown Lakers. makes us younger aaand gives us a few more pieces to entice the Magic
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by EmmCeee on Dec 21, 2011 8:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
makes sense to me.....
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Kobe
is not getting worse from age… but he is slowly becoming more of a liability. Let’s face it, his body has more wear and tear than just about anybody in the league, and he pushes himself like no other.
But with such a lousy bench this year (yep, worse than previous years), the worst thing to worry about is that he will let his frustration get the better of him, and start making bad decisions. It’s not unheard of.
Of course, the real albatross is Fisher, who is much more than a “defensive liability.” He is the worst starting point guard in the league, pure and simple. And he’s going to be even more useless without the triangle. Whatever positives and ‘intangibles’ this guy brings… he doesn’t need a uniform for them, that’s for sure. Retire and suit up (yeah, the other kind of suit up) already.

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