The Vision Is Different, But The Goal Is The Same
by C.A. Clark on Dec 18, 2011 11:07 AM PST
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In one week, our long national nightmare will be over. Basketball, glorious, wonderful professional NBA basketball, will be back. Ridiculous dunks will be back. Dagger threes will be back. The most gifted, skilled athletes in the world will be back. The Los Angeles Lakers will be back.
But they won't be the same.
Truth be told, the craziness of the past 10 days made it seem like the Lakers would be truly unrecognizable when the season tips off. The Chris Paul thing happened. The Dwight Howard thing seemed likely to happen. In the end, nothing happened, except the Lamar Odom thing, something which looks pretty bad in the absence of some other Thing to go with it. So the players, the contributors don't look all that different. In fact, they don't look as different as we might have hoped. I say that not because I was in favor of massive roster upheaval, or taking the franchise in a completely different direction. Instead, the reason why the roster should have looked more different than it does is because the Lakers were exposed to have certain weaknesses in failing to achieve their goals last season. They were exposed as being old and slow. They were exposed as being not very good at outside shooting. They were exposed as being un-athletic.
They have responded to some of those weaknesses, filled some of those gaps. Jason Kapono has been brought on to provide outside sharp shooting. So, too, has Troy Murphy, a year removed from being quite a decent player, but a few months removed from being quite a terrible one. Josh McRoberts has been brought in to provide some youth and athleticism. They aren't flashy names, but the Lakers were never in need of more flashy names. They were in need of role players, and all of these guys fit the bill. I would have been thrilled with these acquisitions a year ago. But this is not a year ago. This is a new year, with a new coach, a new offensive and defensive system. Lamar Odom is gone, and while McRoberts is a decent enough player, he cannot provide the team with everything that Lamar could. And yet that is not of the greatest concern.
The greatest concern is which player on this team is going to create shots. Not take shots. The Lakers have plenty of shot-takers. But they only have one shot creator.
That one is no slouch. Even at the relatively advanced age of 33, he remains one of the league's best players. But that relatively advanced age provides some weaknesses. He isn't quite as able to free himself from his man as he once was, not quite as quick as the Kobe of old. And he doesn't play as much as he used to. He can play a ton of minutes, but we shouldn't want him to. But you can't help but wonder who, if not Kobe, is going to create shots for the team? Derek Fisher? I don't know that Derek has ever been a play-making point guard. He was, at times, serviceable as the lead guard in the Triangle offense, but the Triangle is gone now. Steve Blake? We can only hope that the transition to a more prototypical offense will suit Blake and allow him to provide something close to what was expected of him when he signed. I loved Blake's signing a year ago, but it ended up a failure on many levels. After them, there is no-one else, unless you legitimately believe that a 2nd round draft pick rookie (Darius Morris) can make a difference.
The lack of a second perimeter playmaker is, in my opinion, this team's greatest weakness, and the one they tried so very hard to address, by bringing in the world's best playmaker. We don't need to relive any further what happened with that situation, but strategically, the Lakers went all-in on bringing in a player who could allow them to re-structure their roster on the fly, and in the end, the move failed. It left the Lakers plans in shambles, but the roster itself is still appealing. They still have Kobe Bryant. They still have Pau Gasol, who is the most skilled big man in the game. They still have Andrew Bynum, a young man with all the potential in the world.
And they have a new coach. Most people look at Mike Brown and wonder how he can possibly do any better with an aging and entitled roster than Phil Jackson, The Best Coach Ever, could. Those people may very well be right. But the annals of time will tell you that fresh blood at the head of a team is usually a good thing. Mike Brown is a different kind of coach than Phil Jackson, and maybe, just maybe, a different message will have a better chance of getting these players to listen to it.
He's got a tough task though. Not because the players are unlikely to follow his lead, or listen to his direction, but because this is a team that did not measure up last season. By all accounts, the team that will take the Staples Center floor a week from today is not as good as the one that left the American Airlines Center in shame 7 months ago. But the team has the same expectations, the same idea that only a title at the end of the season will make this season successful. This is not a team that will take pride in a strong playoff showing. There are too many veterans, too many champions, too many players who remember what it was like to be the best in the world.
The roster has changed some. What the team will look like has changed quite a bit. But the goal, and the stakes, haven't changed at all. Championship or Bust.
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I say that not because I was in favor of massive roster upheaval, or taking the franchise in a completely different direction. Instead, the reason why the roster should have looked more different than it does is because the Lakers were exposed to have certain weaknesses in failing to achieve their goals last season. They were exposed as being old and slow. They were exposed as being not very good at outside shooting. They were exposed as being un-athletic.
You werent in favor of trading for CP3 or Dwight right? Just thinking back to that post where you guys wrote which one youd rather have.
I like the pickups. IMO one of our biggest problems last season on offense was the ability to space the floor. Teams would just crash in on Pau/Drew/Kobe in the post. Bobs, Kapono, Murphy are all/or have been shooter. I think they all find a nice little niche in Coach Browns scheme.
Thats just me though.
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The rooks and 2nd year players are the key...
We have enough old guys…
Ebanks: sounds like he can be the PG stopper… hussle, and bonus outside shooter
Goudelock: a pure shooter… but can he play D?
Darius: well again… he is not the quickest guy… can he get to the hoop and distribute the ball?
There are all these role players… which is what the MAVs had last year…
My dream scenario would be obviously win it all… BUT with the following…
PG: Blake surprises and Darrius surprisingly takes the backup role (fish coaches as a player)
SG: Kobe just stays healthy… get the team to the playoffs… then goes full steam to Championship
SF: Ebanks plays solid D… and shoots lights out from mid-range
PF: Pau goes off with this offense…
C: Bynum is the man… and earns his way to HIS own team in ORL for Howard 1 for 1…
6th man: Artest post play OPENS up the perimeter…
Barnes stays healthy….
The rest of the team just play hussle/smart D…basic: move feet, block out, rebound…
While I very much am not enjoying losing Odom, I really don't see us changing our view, or what we expect out of this team.
It is extremely hard to three peat, it’s extremely hard to go to the Finals 4 years in a row etc. I watched Jordan a ton growing up, and while I can say I 99.9% believe that it would have been an 8 peat instead of 2 3 peats, who knows?
I think the humiliation of being swept (not only being swept but by being swept by the team WE WANTED TO PLAY because we matched up so well against them, a team we had 0 respect for until they earned it from us in that series), the extra long break (it does help those old bones), and the fact we still have the only person in the league who can compare to Michael Jordan for competitive fire (in this case there is no 1, 1a, they are both 1’s. I would not get into either of their paths if it was something I knew they wanted) this is still a team that can, should, and WILL win championships.
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
Good stuff, Chris. I'm not really worried about the season, but I am a little nervous. Overall, though, I'm excited for it to start.
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I agree with this
Aside from OKC, Memphis, and the Clippers, most of the West got worse. Suns, Nuggets, Hornets, Mavericks, Spurs all got worse.
I dont think this team will be as good as the Thunder or Grizzlies this year, but I do think that they will a 3 or 4 seed in the West.
Man, getting another creative scorer or shot creator has been a need for a while.
That’s why Baron Davis makes as well as Chris Paul. I just don’t think the former can stay healthy enough to have an impact. Obviously, CP3 didn’t happen. I don’t think there is anyone available to fill this void. I like the low-risk high-reward signings, though I think they’ll give up just as much as they score. That worries me a bit.
There goes that creator.
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had feeling he would
man lakeshow really need to find a PG. my stomach doesn’t sit well with fisher or blake as a starter.
I'm much more confident in Blake now that he is out of the triangle offense.
I think we’ll see a much improved Blake.
i agree with that although the triangle doesnt have anything to do with his shooting stroke
Hopefully he can return to his averages as far as that goes
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Lack of confidence can affect everything. He should have more of a comfort level
in the Lakers uni than he did last year. He’s bulked up too. It should help.
Hey if a revived Blake can relegate Fish to the bench im happy lol
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Yeeah when he 1st came in he didnt just hand Fisher the starting job
and i dont mind Fish coming off the bench although i wouldnt mind the rookie gettin some burn and seeing what he can do
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i was at scrimmage
and blake is yolked. his shots were hitting nothing but net from 3. i think fisher will be more of a specialist and Brown will figure out how to use him w/o wearing him out.
the rook Morris also looked good in the minutes he played.
Thas good to hear...
If Blake can get his shot back and keep it itll be good for the team…Im glad the young players finally have an opportunity to earn some PT this year under Brown. It can only make the Lakers that much better going forward
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Yep
Fisher is the starter- Brown has already said that. Though he also said that it isn’t set in stone, so if Fisher is struggling with his shot early in the season and Blake has revived himself, then I think we could see a change.
I’m not counting on it though. I think we’ll see Fisher there all season unless Blake completely, noticeably outplays him.
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Whatever happens happens...
let’s fucking play!
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Two games against CP3...
will tell us quite a bit about our point guard position and our team defense against the best in the league. If we can cope, or if Blake can perform well in a non-triangle offense we might be ok until a better option presents itself.
JR Smith could be interesting as creator for himself and others.
He probably won’t make it to the NBA until March.
Do the Chinese league not have a buyout clause in their contracts?
and if so why wouldnt the team just pay it to get those players back over here? Im sure the Lakers would gladly pay it and sign him for the min…or use the Odom TPE to sign and trade for him
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Nope, they have told the players that they will be let out of their contracts when the season is over.
Marc Stein: K-Mart/W-Chandler/J.R. Smith/A-Brooks told they must stay til March upon signing in China. Whole NBA assumes they’re all eager to come home
Marc Stein’s twitter has all the drama about the NBA players in China. http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine
aah ok That pretty much sucks...
BUT they will be in game shape and ready to play come March..How does that work for the free agents? wouldnt be a bad thing if the Lakers could sign someone like JR for cheap to end the season and then have the option to give him more money at the end of the year
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You wouldnt want Wilson Chandler?
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Chandler is a good player.
However, he plays the same postion as MWP, Ebanks, Barnes, and Walton is still on the roster.
by E-ROC on Dec 18, 2011 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He can play the 2.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 18, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
He'd be out of position and doesn't have.....
…the handle for the position. That skill is important since Odom is gone.
by E-ROC on Dec 18, 2011 2:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, Ebanks is being groomed for 2 and Walton surely isn't something to worry about there.
Better depth is better than just depth
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You still have MWP and Barnes soaking up minutes.
by E-ROC on Dec 18, 2011 8:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well at that point
you could compare relative effectiveness you know what I mean. But either way, Chandler will most likely be expensive, he’s not exactly old and he had a good year last year
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Really?
Him and K-Mart the last two guys I want. I’d rather have Brooks or Chandler.
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I actually like K-Mart, but he's injury prone
..and the Lakers already have Murphy. Smith is a good player. Like his ability create for himself and others. No other player has that abilty except Kobe.
Brooks is just too small for my liking and Chandler plays the same position as many other players on the roster do.
by E-ROC on Dec 18, 2011 2:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Eric Pincus: Goudelock back with Lakers from d-league stint scored 24 points – dished 7 assists, also Malcolm Thomas called back
Goudelock Eddie House like in instant offense
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? was sposed to be at the end lol
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eddie house is overrated!
cant stand that clown! pls dont compare goudlock to that chump!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 19, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
Getting Eddie House deep in the second round is a huge steal.
He may be a gunner with very few skills, but he’s not a minus on defense, and he’s a deadly offensive option on the right team. If Goudelock turns out to be the second coming of Eddie House, we’ll all be real happy, I promise you that.
dude...
ive seen eddie house get lit up like a christmas parade many times in boston AND miami! yes he is a liabilty on defense, and yes, he can get you 25 one night? and dissapear the next 2. like i said the dudes overrated!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 19, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
He's an adequate defender on point guards
Particularly backups. Most everyone gets lit up by opposing point guards at this point; the guys in the league these days are so quick they’re basically unguardable. Also, don’t forget that he’s been around a while, and those recent games aren’t necessarily the best indicator of his defensive quickness.
And yes, I am well aware that House runs hot and cold. That’s why you want him coming off the bench as microwaveable offense. If he’s not feeling it, pull him. Still, make no mistake, getting Eddie House deep in the second round is ABSOLUTELY a steal. I don’t know what you’re expecting out of this guy. He was picked 46th. Manu Ginobili is a once in an EVER type talent to get in the second round. Getting any kind of rotation player, let alone a guy who can stick in the league for 10+ seasons and occasionally win you a game on his own, is a HUGE steal. We should all be PRAYING that Goudelock puts together the kind of career Eddie House does. To say anything else is either disingenuous or just plain delusional.
we should all be PRAYING that goudelock puts together the kind of career ediie house does
wht? uum…no i really dont want to see goudelock bounce around to 10 teams eddie house has his whole career. theres a reason why he cant stay permanent on a roster. delusional? hardly! a realist? yes. why would i want a guy who would put up 1 gm winner in a 82 gm season?
im not hating just because, ya, i cant stand his petulant ass, but because, like i stated, and yourself, he IS a liablity on the defensive end, he will give you one good gm, before retiring the next 2-3, and above all else, i really dont want to have to see his childish, stupid antics, after he swishes 1, 3 ,out of 20 attempts, and see him talking to trash to anyone who dont even listen in the first place.
we agree to disagree my friend. i would rather see another yr of an aging d-fish, before i would even dare see eddie house in the purple and gold.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 19, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
He doesn't have to be literally the exact same guy.
I’m just saying, if Goudelock can play like Eddie House, that’s absolutely an asset, and a great pick in the second round. I don’t think there’s any reason to think Goudelock has the same attitude as House. I don’t think that’s what people want, nor what they mean when they compare Goudelock to House. But an undersized shooting guard who can rain 3s, is always a threat to put up 20 points in 20 minutes, and can play adequate defense? That’s a great pickup.
I think your expectations for second rounders are just ridiculous. After the lottery, getting a guy who can make your rotation is considered a success in the NBA. In the second round, even getting a guy who can make the team is good. So getting a guy who’s absolutely an impact player off the bench? That’s great. And that’s why people are hoping Goudelock can play like Eddie House.
wait a minute...
first you said “get eddie house”, and now your saying getting a player “like” eddie house. which one is it? i never once questioned goudelocks draft pick, or gm, i was referencing that the lakers aquirre…EDDIE HOUSE. i want to see goudelock make the team as much as anyone else, but keeping goudelock, and getting eddie, those are two separate things.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Considering that Goudelock can actually dribble, the House comparison might be off there, lol.
But otherwise, you’re definitely on point.
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If anything it should be the other way around.
House, while often a jackass, has proven his worth in the league as a knockdown shooter. Goudelock hasn’t yet.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 19, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Dec 18, 2011 12:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm still not in agreement
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Dec 18, 2011 12:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh and you forgot the Shannon Brown thing
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Dec 18, 2011 12:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
not signing baron davis?
best thing to happen to us all off season…
now we can focus on targeting a young point guard that has a future in this league.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 18, 2011 12:35 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Nope. Worst thing to happen to all season.
An exaggeration of course. But come on. The Lakers are so desperate at point guard. Why weren’t they desperately recruiting Baron?
there's always a trade possibility
you never know
one thing i do know is, we’re not going to start the season without addressing our biggest need
As of now, that's what it looks like.
Another year of Fisher/Blake. Although, I think Blake is gonna have a better season, due to Brown’s more traditional offense.
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No need to be rude. He wasn't rude to you.
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The "einstein" part of your comment was rude. He can speak for himself, but I'm telling you not to be rude.
Seriously.
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no
the “einstein” part was sarcasm
it has been known to be a sarcastic phrase for years….
do yourself and favor and don’t waste your time trying to tell me what to do…i’m grown.
It's an insult at the same time.
And how was he being sarcastic in the first place?
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lol
of all the loose profanity and cut throat comments i’ve seen on here…… i’ve just been issued a warning for using the word “einstein”…
look i’m a lakers’ fan it shouldn’t be that hard to be a part of a lakers’ sbn site. i’m being treated like a troll/ or the enemy. just like you thought it was rude to say “einstein” i thought it was sarcastic for him to say “from where” in response to my comments. discrimination? we’re all equal, or at least we’re supposed to be.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 18, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but we need to be respectful
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by lakergirl on Dec 18, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not fair to compare the two.
“From where” is hardly sarcastic, and it confuses me why you saw it that way.
“Einstein” is obviously sarcastic, as you said so yourself.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
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there are no laws against sarcasm in the terms and conditions
however there are rules against profanity and trolling, yet that happens a lot on here.
i guess when you speak your mind it rubs some people the wrong way, those people just happen to have the power to do whatever they want in a single click of the mouse…not fair.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 18, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It has nothing to do with "speaking you mind"
Calling somebody “einstein” is both sarcastic and disrespectful. End of story. Nothing more to it than that.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
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why am i even responding to you?
better yet why are you trying to be argumental about something that had nothing to do with you? i’m done
Because Cup Noodles is a good friend of mine,
And just because he doesn’t speak up doesn’t mean nobody can.
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Word of advice...You're fightin a losing battle
Ive this go on before and it doesnt end well…Take it for what its worth and keep it movin
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Ive seen*
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i feel you
the thing that gets me is everybody has something to say about my “sarcasm” yet cup noodles hasn’t responded or said anything about it, obviously the dude isn’t bothered by it…
He's only a kid, so don't expect anything.
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that kid posted:
bullshit
by Cup Noodles on Dec 18, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions
redskins took a shit on my giants T,T
by Cup Noodles on Dec 18, 2011 5:22 PM EST upreplyactions
if he can swear he can speak up for himself.
We always joke about how much he likes to curse.
But he’s still a kid, and from what I know, he doesn’t get into debates.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
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How is swearing
more reprehensible than insults? I think this is a little overblown, but you’re the one who’s making it worse.
Have I, in any way, insulted you?
No, I’m merely pointing out that you were the one who was rude.
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Cursing/profanity is allowed here and we all do it.
That said, whether or not cup noodles said anything is not the issue. A mod asked you to stop being rude. That should have ended it.
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so, with all due respect
i can say fuck you you’re a dumb ass and that’s perfectly legal…
but if i say, there’s 29 other teams in the league einstein, that taboo?
please explain to me how that makes any sense, and why you felt i needed a warning…
i’m really serious, i want to know your answer.
Nobody would be able to say that
that’s being disrespectful too. Getting upset and insulting some one for a question is rude. It’s not like some serious offense, but all any one said was not to do it.
The difference is swearing isn’t being disrespectful on its own, its used to be disrespectful at times. If some one on here has ever cursed some one out like the way you described, I’m sure they’ve gotten punishment much worse than the verbal warning you got.
Dude, just relax. This is getting really out of hand for no reason. I don’t think any one got seriously upset except you, and no one’s saying you can’t do anything but be disrespectful for no reason. Just let it go.
of course i would be the only one who got seriously upset, i’m the only one who’s felt singled out and disrespected. everything you just said is easier said than done and if it were you you’d be mad just like i am….
Nobody else is being disrespectful,
and nobody’s singling you out or disrespecting you. Saying something on behalf of a member is a mod’s job. It’s not about you personally, it’s about telling some one not to insult or disrespect some one else.
Wow.
By “cursing/profanity is allowed”, she means it’s allowed as long as it’s not directed at another user.
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Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 18, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
You too, you seek the things to she says. You must hate her mod powers.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
*thing she says
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Thanks I'm flattered.
But UNIMPRESSED by her “mod powers” actually. Ever heard of Second Life? Yeah I’m kind of a big deal there.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 18, 2011 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
like, reincarnation?
how you doin'
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by bluexfalcon on Dec 19, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Like sarcasm
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well, thanks, happy to oblige.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Cmon son
you really gon pull the “I’m grown” here…
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Hahaha
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 18, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
He's not exactly someone you should look to for comfort here... lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
E tu Marty?
Looks like I gotta break out the Michael Bolton just so I can fall asleep tonight.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 18, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
I got no problem with you
except for the fact that most of your most recent comments have been following a mod around because you had a disagreement in the past
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I'm serious
who else is available?
you make it sound like we can get whoever the hell we want on a whim.
Hilarous, LMAO
You start a war because someone told you you were being sarcastic and asked you to chill. So you go on a tirade about all you were saying is there are 20 other teams we can trade with. So when someone finally takes you seriosuly and actually asks you what options you think are available, after the other guy called you out on as B.S. Your response is “IDK just saying”, lol. I find that hysterical, you wanted everyone to take you seriously and got upset over being supposedly attacked by others, then when finally taken seriosuly you can’t come up with any arguments or facts to back up your original comment that started this shitstorm in the first place. I don’t know man, to me that is comedy IMO.
by purrrrrple on Dec 18, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
word
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Glad u said it
anyone of us regulars say it, we’re accused of “groupthink”
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
what is going on here?!!!!
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Nope. Worst thing to happen to all season.
An exaggeration of course. But come on. The Lakers are so desperate at point guard. Why weren’t they desperately recruiting Baron?
Looking forward to watching MWP
Run the 2nd unit. Gonna do his best LBJ impression and its either going to be mildly amusing or a trainwreck. Either way im intrigued!
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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 18, 2011 12:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm nervous
Brown will make this team better on defense. Then again nothing he can say or write on a white board is going to stop all of the point guards from blowing past our point guards. I love Phil and his philosphies greatly but we missed out on this point guard renaissance of the last 5 years and its hurting now.
The goal for the next three seasons as long as Kobe is here is to win championship and for that to happen with this roster Drew is going to have to make “the leap.” People have been caught up in this him staying healthy thing too much. I remember Shaq rarely giving consistent effort or playing every game. I also remember Shaq affecting games mightly when he did play and dominating in the playoffs. There needs to be a moment against Joel Anthony, DeAndre Jordan, Kendrick Perkins, or Joakim Noah where Drew has to say “give me the ball, I’m getting this team baskets” and he has to deliver.
Arenas please god no
TV Journalist Chris Hanson is a cockblocker
As long as Drew doesn't make the leap and come down awkwardly on one of his knees, we can pull this off.
He’s got a lot to prove. Agree about Arenas.
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There will be a lot of breath-holding going on this season.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Lakers games are going to be ugly.
92-87 kind of games. This team cannot afford to go into shoot outs. These are the kind of games Brown prefers anyway. Hopefully he can bring the best out of Pau’s defense.
by Ador08 on Dec 18, 2011 2:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Pau and Andrew really need to step it up this season. For realz!
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
oops, try that again
Especially Andrew, he’s officially the third best player on the team. If he wants to be the future, he needs to be the 2nd by the end of the year.
by Ador08 on Dec 18, 2011 2:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
try that one more time
If he wants to be the future, he needs to bethe 2ndDwight Howard by the end of the year.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
not tonight's dwight howard against the heat
only preseason, but 2-9 from the field, 3 turnovers, 5 rebounds, 5 points in nearly 30 minutes of play. he wants out asap!
Follow me: @theshmoes.
Supposedly going through motions
however, not that big a deal to me. Just preseason
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Let the season begin already
Good job CA!
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damn nobody wants to come to the lakers
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they really do.
And Carter looks awful.
A hotdog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz -- Humphrey Bogart
They look horrible
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Tomorrow
oh man…. i’m starting to get excited, mark my words, if Bynum gets fed tomorrow, he’s gonna drop 40 on the Clippers like he did a few years back. i just have this feeling, the whole team is anxious to play you can see it, and contrary to what the media believes, Pau, looks calm, he looks good. Kobe is Kobe(healthier then he’s been in a very very long time), the FO has gathered all of our needs except the PG, but guess what guys they know it, they just don’t want to show their hand again.. as we all just saw what happened last week, they’ll get it done.
-———
We have a new coach that will actually feed the Hot hand. everything is speculation until tomorrow, even though it’s a preseason game, i think the Lakers will go all out tomorrow, and mind you, they will do it while acting like they’ve been there before, Lakers = Class. here to a great game tomorrow Lakers!
The waiver wire will offer a lot of PG's for us to choose from.
Clippers have 6 PG’s and MINN has 4 PG’s, there will be players waived, at that position, and the Lakers will find one.
How pissed do you think Khan is?
There’s a team with MORE point guards
by J Hawk on Dec 18, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pg
Just give me one quick Point Guard that can drive, and make a few layups consistently, sounds so simple, but if we get this, it will take us a very long way(Captain obvious?)
however as it stands i like our team now.
why didnt we look at jj barea
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Too expensive
no space to sign him
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Well things got blown out of proportion here above lol.
Anyway, to respond to the post here, I think the goal has always been the same for a lot of us and that is where disappointment is coming from. Many of us are nervous as it doesn’t seem as if we’re making those moves that could be seen as moving towards but away from a championship. Thus the negativity. However, I’m excited to watch regular season basketball in general. So, I’m not even worried about this season and won’t really be until maybe halfway through. Until then, I’m just going to be watching and enjoying the games. Look forward to seeing the Lakers play under Brown on D and on O just to see what he’s going to try to do. The intrigue of the changes is what has got me excited
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Speaking of PG issues...
I heard that Luther Head did not sign w/ the Chinese team (and he’s currently just a camp body in CHI). What are the chances LAL could get him? (Without trading KOBY, that is).
I've been riding this train for about a year and a half now
unfortunately, Mitch and Koby have never boarded. They’re not too keen to see the end of the Kobe era and the beginning of the reign of Head
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I will be so annoyed if the Mitch fails to bring in a new PG
I mean really how hard is it to find a PG that is better than Derek Fisher. Don’t get me wrong, I love Derek Fisher, but I would really prefer to only see him play in limited minutes and crunch time.
Trading LO is probably gonna hurt more than we think considering how fragile are big men are, but let’s just keep our fingers crossed. McRobert’s remind me of a more athletic Travis Knight, good, but not anyone who we can rely on to make good things happen. I’m extremely skeptical about Kapono and Murphy too, but lets just hope Brown can find a way to get maximize their value
yeah. there’s no excuse for not having had one already. fisher is 37 years old. 37! it’s not like he was 25 last season. so that means mitch has had plenty of time to plan ahead and failed to bring in a good one. however, i can’t be too upset since he did acquire paul before stern displayed his wicked power.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Too soon?
Keith Law @keithlaw Kim Jong Il’s last words: “I never would have vetoed that Chris Paul trade”
that sucks. the man is dead. whether enemy or ally, may he rip.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
The guy was a despot who was willing to commit genocide and made the lives of millions miserable.
He should not be mourned or recognized with any type of good will. the world is better off without people like him.
says fox news?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
you surely didn't hear it from North Korea... lol
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Anyway, not an appropriate topic to really delve into deep guys...
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Good riddance
Fuck Kim Jong Il! Or if you prefer, he was an Einstein!
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
We have a what 19 20 year old pure PG on the roster, so we do have youth in the backcourt that everyone is talking about, he looks servicable to me. Blake still has a little in the gas tank too, and it looks like Brown plans to go deep into the rotation this season. I’m okay with a platoon of Fisher, Blake, and Morris, which I’m hoping is Brown’s plan. the Lakers know that Fisher can’t perform all season logging heavy minutes and be effective. Theyshould equal a solid defensive ability than some of these PG’s we’ve been throwing around the board lately. Davis and Arenas, yuck. If Fisher can stay between 15-20 minutes a game he should be more of an asset than a liability most nights.
Id love to see.
Fish – 15 mpg
Blake – 21 mpg
Morris – 12 mpg
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That would be cup noodles.
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Tweetness
chris paul
wait nvm
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
argh. we could have made these signings while having lo if not for the paul fall
anyhow time to move on. with enough playing time to spread we can test how good our bigs really are. interesting how many players are trying to prove themselves this season. kobe being the dominant force in a time of trial, pau to prove his is still a top 3 world pf and can now hit a 3, bynum that he is a cornerstone who can stay on court, world peace that he is still in control of himself, fisher that he can still lead and outcontribute his liabilities, the rooks that they can play, barnes that he can impact, the mcbob that he is a viable 7th man, murphy and kapono that they can rebound to older times, blake too..so for brown, buss and laker nation.
implode or explode time. Go Lakers!
by bypasser on Dec 19, 2011 4:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Anyone else worried about the comments on Fisher, legendary conditioning maven, not being in shape for the season?
He won’t play today in the first preseason game tomorrow, nor did he play in the scrimmage the other day, which says a lot about where he is physically as far as being ready for the reason. I mean, he has the best excuse of any player in the league for that not being so, but perhaps that has been the thrust of Brown’s proclamations that Fish won’t necessarily start. If he’s not in “game shape” now, I don’t think he’ll make that transition within the course of the week and be ready to “guard” Derrick Rose on opening night. Might have a lot more Darius Morris early on.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Yeah, that seems to be the case. He's been working out by himself
and on his own more often in practice it seems. I’m not really worried that he won’t be able to get in shape. Even if I think he’s going to be able to play it might not be in his usual role he’s been used to at this point lol.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
which im sure we all are okay with
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Yeah, everything I've heard about Blake has been positive in terms of his conditioning, shooting, playmaking, etc.
So let’s hope he turns a corner this season in a system more suited for his talents and Morris puts in some nice rotation minutes. And who knows, maybe this arrangement becomes permanent. :D
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Fisher isn't someone I necessarily worry about as far as getting into shape
Whether he’s a little behind or not, he’ll be ready soon enough. He’s always been in great shape and is remarkably durable, so I’d be surprised if he wasn’t in the lineup when the Bulls come in Christmas Day. How effective he’ll be if he’s not in his best shape along with the fact that he’s old, well… we’ll find out. But I’ll be surprised if he’s not in there.
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Blake
Everyone seemed pretty ok with the Blake signing last offseason…and with good reason, he was a decent PG option. So he came here, and he sucked horribly. It happens. Makes sense that everyone would be down on him. But, he’ll now be comfortable here after being in the org a full year, and he’ll be back in a traditional offense. I’m sure I"m not breaking new ground here, but I think Blake could be ok as our lead PG this year. I mean, we don’t need him to be Chris Paul (although if he wants to magically become him, we won’t mind!). He just needs to get back to being the guy we signed…a distributor of the ball and being able to knock down some 3s. If he can just do that, the Lakers should be fine.
And if he sucks again, we can just amnesty him in the offseason!
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