Lakers Sign Troy Murphy, Continue To Look At Baron Davis
by Ben R on Dec 17, 2011 4:55 PM PST
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PrintIn a move to bolster their rather thin frontcourt, the Lakers signed Troy Murphy today to a one year deal for the veterans' minimum. We were aware that this was a possibility since Wednesday, as Murphy had a workout in front of the Lakers' coaches and officials then, and apparently showed enough to get a contract. As we noted in my article two days ago, Murphy is a bit of a reclamation project, as he had a terrible season last year for the Nets and Celtics, but is only one year removed from being a significant contributor for the Pacers. Regardless, his shooting should add a useful element to a roster seriously lacking in that aspect last year, and he is a good complement to Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, as his ability to space the floor will give them greater freedom to operate in the post. Moreover, Murphy is yet another in a litany of bigs capable of running the pick-and-pop, a key part of the San Antonio offense Mike Brown will likely incorporate.
As far as the Lakers' rotation goes, Josh McRoberts might see more time at center so Murphy can play at the four, but given that hard positional lineups matter less for backups, it should be somewhat immaterial. Murphy is a fairly brutal defender at either spot, but he does clean up the defensive boards well, a weakness of the Lakers last season, and both Gasol and Bynum should be able to compensate for some of his deficiencies. Seeing as the Lakers will begin the season on a back-to-back-to-back and will have only three true frontcourt players in Gasol, McRoberts, and Murphy due to Bynum's suspension and Derrick Caracter's injury, it is likely that a fifth big is signed sometime before the start of the season to provide spot minutes unless Brown and the front office are comfortable with playing Metta World Peace or Matt Barnes as smallball fours.
Finally, the Lakers, according to ESPNLA's Dave McMenamin, are continuing to monitor free agent point guard Baron Davis, who cleared secondary waivers yesterday, and is looking to sign with either the Lakers, Knicks, or Heat. Although Baron is currently injured and will require some time to recover -- the time of which has been inconsistent between multiple sources; it ranges anywhere from four weeks to ten -- the Lakers have precious other opportunities to improve the situation at point guard, especially with the Sasha Vujacic TPE expiring yesterday. Even with all the concerns about his work ethic and similar, the bottom line is that Baron is a better option than Derek Fisher or Steve Blake, can run Mike Brown's more traditional offense, and as a through-and-through L.A. native, would no doubt relish the opportunity to play for his hometown team. We will keep you updated on any relevant developments.
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if we gain baron, mcbob and murph at the cost of LO and shanwow, i don't see any reason to panic.
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
Do you have a better option than him?
Besides, “getting younger” is usually a misnomer for “PLEASE GET US A COMPETENT POINT GUARD,” and Baron isn’t a slouch athletically.
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baron isn't an upgrade over fisher
he’s slower, fatter, gets tired quick, injury proned, and, and old. i say wait for it, see what our young guys can do. no other team is blowing up baron’s phone, trust me we have time.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A motivated Baron is better than Fisher.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Once he got his contract from the Clippers,
he said “F it”.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Lol.
He’d rather make documentaries about the decline of men’s fashion in America than play ball.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't just his contract.
Remember what happened. His buddy Elton lured him to the Clippers and then ditched the team for Phili. I’d be pissed too.
Oh yeah.
I remember that too. That was messed up. It was funny though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
He actually pretty much got back into it
right after Griffin started catching his lobs
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
No way
I take Fisher at his age today over Baron anyday! Thing is, a healthy Baron is an upgrade over Steve Blake. I think Baron can help us come season’s end.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
"Baron isn't an upgrade over Fisher"
Read what you just said…. now read again…. read one more time, for good measure.
Now slap yourself.
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by LakerAce on Dec 17, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
no slap yourself
name one aspect of baron’s game that seperates him from fisher, name just one!!!!!!
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Athleticism. Passing. Court vision. Finishing. Defense. Being a competent basketball player...
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by Ben R on Dec 17, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
who the hell is rec'ing these comments
by Cup Noodles on Dec 17, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Davis is still athletic and used to be extremely athletic.
Surely you arent too young to remember his playoff dunk on kirilenko? That was one of the most explosive plays ever. youtube it to refresh your memory. He’s not that athletic now, but at half that athletic he’s twice as athletic as Fisher.
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by cerebralfish on Dec 18, 2011 5:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dang.
Has Fisher really gotten to the point of being labeled incompetent?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Robert Horry was super clutch maybe we can pick him up for spot duty too
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Over on our site, we're trying to figure out what to do with D.J. Augustin.
Kemba is obviously the future. Would yall like him in L.A. or really don’t know too much about him to say so?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
You’ll have to run that by Stern, I think.
by ________key on Dec 17, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Lmao.
I hate he did yall like that. He had the right since they own the Hornets, but it was still wack. Had the trade never progressed as far as it did, I’m sure L.O. would still be a Laker. I think the league wants to see the Lakers fail. I hate they doing my boy Kobe like that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hell yeah.
Was probably calling him a “b****” and everything. Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
...for basketball reasons
One Nation...under a groove.
There are 2 types of fans. The first type is realistic, knowledgeable and loyal. The other, is not.
F Stern, for basketball reasons.
by Zen and Tonic on Dec 17, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Young quick guard...we'll send Fish and a 2nd round pick for him
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Lol. Fish would retire before coming to Charlotte.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
LOL We've been wishing for that...id rather see him as an assistant coach
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Lol. Yall not happy with Blake either?
I always thought yall should’ve kept Vujacic and Farmar.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I didnt mind Sasha
But send a 1st round pick along with him for Joe Smith was ridiculous
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I always thought Kemba's long-term future was a solid sixth man.
Also, didn’t Augustin play better after Brown got canned?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
He played exceptionally well imo.
He’s so horrible on defense though, it just always seems like it’ll hold him back. Personally, I want D.J. to lead our second unit and Kemba to be our starter for the future. But, everyone else in Charlotte has pretty much already said goodbye to D.J. without there even being rumors mentioning him being traded.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
What was the reaction among the fanbase when Brown took Augustin instead of Lopez?
Three years later, I still can’t make sense of it. Still though, you’d at least think that even the people among those who want him traded would support showcasing him a bit to raise his value and throwing Kemba out there more as a off the ball two similar to Terry.
In any case, what is happening with Biyombo? Are his troubles in crossing the pond the reason you guys haven’t used the amnesty on Diop?
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There were a lot of people pissed,
But for most people, when the pick was made, it was more of a stunned reaction rather than one of anger. Me personally, I tried to justify it in my head by saying its hindsight, because we had a good center. But then that is negated by the fact we already had a point guard too. On some nights DJ makes you think we made the right choice. But those nights are few and far between. It will go down in history as a wtf moment, but sadly, we’ve made worse decisions. He will have at least until the deadline to boost his trade value. He will start. I want to keep him on as a 6th man but he will be a RFA next year and a rebuilding team like us probably can’t risk overpaying him.
Looks like Biyombo won’t be joining us this year. It really sucks but our aim is a top draft pick next year so it only aids our cause. We gotta get our stars through the draft. We don’t have the market nor the general manager competence of y’all, so we have to build from the ground up. I think rich cho will do great things for us though.
We won’t amnesty anyone. Not this year at least. For us, it only really helps if we need the cap room to pick up a free agent. We are trying to be as cheap as possible for the next two years so it really doesn’t help us. That’s not even mentioning Diop and Ely are our only centers on the roster. Ugh. We may use it next year, but right now, MJ isn’t in the position to pay anyone not to play.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 6:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
LOL @ underappreciated
Season after season, we convince ourselves that Fisher’s poor regular season performances will be counteracted by his playoff performances. After last season, that excuse has been well worn.
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heen at that point for a while
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Not my boy Fish Sticks.
He is still hell on 2K12 when you leave him open though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
You have no idea.
We’re so desensitized by his sheer level of suck, it’s hard to appreciate how bad he is nowadays. There is literally huge cheering in game threads whenever he does anything positive.
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Lol. I guess I figured the memories of the big shots
would overshadow the flaws in his game now. He has certainly become a liability on defense, but I thought he still played his role ok.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe we can sign Horry to a for the vet min
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Couldn't hurt. Big Shot Bob will take ya out.
Lol. I remember he took the Spurs’ soul that one year. I became one of his biggest fans for about 20 minutes.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
We actually could live with him if he actually played his role.
Except he doesn’t. He takes TONS of long twos when he doesn’t have to, inexplicably drives at the rim when he’s one of the worst finishers in basketball, and as you stated, is a huge defensive liability. For a guy whose only utility on offense is to sit behind the arc and wait for open shots, he’s amazingly inefficient.
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Lol. One of the worst finishers is right.
I remember one game last year he missed a wide open lay up. Got it back, put it up again and got it swatted out of bounds. I was like “damn Fish washed up”.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Great leadership qualities and can still make a big shot here or there.
That’s about it at this point in his career imo.
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by cerebralfish on Dec 18, 2011 5:57 AM PST up reply actions
Fisher's only good for 1v3 layups
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by bluexfalcon on Dec 17, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
and shots with 0.4 second remaining
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Better shooter, better passer, more athletic, better defense.
Dude, this is Derek Fisher we’re talking about. EVERYBODY is an upgrade over Fisher.
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at this point in his career he’s not better than fisher, not at all.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Name one aspect of Fisher's game that separates him from Baron, name just one!!!
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And yet, Davis can dunk easily.
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This was last season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKQ5eL0eMA
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did you ntice the timeout called right after his celebration?
he had to go take a breather
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But honestly, we don't need him to dunk.
We just need somebody who can pass and make 3’s. That alone is more than what Fisher is doing for us, and Baron can do much more.
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check the 3s
We just need somebody who can pass and make 3’s. That alone is more than what Fisher is doing for us,
The last three years, 3 pt shooting %
Fisher: .397, .348, .396
Davis: .302, .277, .337
career:
Fish: .375
Davis: .321
by ________key on Dec 17, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wait
but baron's a big upgrade though
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, stop cherry picking things to try to make an argument.
There’s precious little that says that Fish is a better player than Baron at this point in his career. Sure, maybe ‘07-’08 Fish is better, but definitely not this current iteration. Saying he’s terrible right now doesn’t mean we don’t respect him, but it’s an acknowledgment of the current state of his play.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Even 08-09 Fish is probably better
But at this point, he’s not a starting point guard anymore, and yet thats the role he’s going to be asked to play because they don’t have a better option. I do think you are being a bit harsh though- you waste no opportunity saying to say that Fisher is terrible- lol he’s not that bad. I think he’d be a very serviceable backup if he stays within his role
I hope he found the fountain of youth somewhere this season, because he’ll be asked to play both a bigger role and play more minutes than he should.
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lol a pg that can ONLY shoot 3's
That’s it. Nothing else. He cant drive or finish. He can’t even guard his position. Now that tha triangle is gone we can’t hide his offensive deficiencies. He can’t run a pick n roll beyond shooting a jumper off tha pick and defenses will let him do that. He’s actually a reverse Rondo lol
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by EmmCeee on Dec 17, 2011 11:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Baron did make 41.4% of his threes in Cleveland.
Small sample size, sure, but it’s something to look at. Moreover, he only needs to be accurate enough to keep defenses honest. He’s more important here as a guy who can run the offense, dish to our bigs or shooters off drives, and run the P&R.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Small sample size, sure
lol – 15 games? He is a career 32% shooter. The point – at least the shooting point is, he actually isn’t that good a 3 pt shooter. He is very willing to shoot them tho.
On hell of a lot of random heaves off the dribble, so I think he's better than that.
Certainly not a good shooter, but again, one respectable enough to keep defenses honest. Again, it’s not the part of his game we want him for though.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I was just responding to the claim that as a three point shooter than Fisher. He actually is inferior, and by a significant margin.
As I’ve said, I’ve always liked Davis, but his back worries me, and he does like to gun from the line.
My test usually is: “What would I think if the Heat get this player?” – If they got Davis I would shrug my shoulders.
Eh, given that the other options suck balls right now, I don't think taking a flyer on Davis has much downside.
He’ll be on a contender and the team he always dreamed about playing for, plus Kobe will breath down his neck to stay in shape and not gun without remorse. Plus, with Brown, I think he’ll wean some solid defensive effort out of him. For the minimum, you could do a lot worse, IMO.
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I'm praying that Mitch has something
up his sleeve.
Otherwise we are just rearranging the deck chairs on (a very slowly sinking) the Titanic.
Well, even last season, Baron was a 17 PER player and he finally looked like he gave a crap.
I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say that he could reproduce that here with solid options to set up and work off in the halfcourt.
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His Usage was big on two not-so-good teams (almost 30 on the Clips). And opponent PGs had a 20 PER with the Clippers (Fisher had a 17.7 opponent PER).
I do believe he can set up an offense, passes to the post well. But he hogs the ball, shoots poorly from 3, and is coming off a back injury.
Gordon was gone most of his time in Clippers
and I don’t even have to tell you what was wrong with Cavs. Give him some talent around him and he’s straight. also, oppPER is a decent stat, but the Lakers Defense is also much better than Clippers D in general, so that will also help Fish’s oppPER
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
the point is
DF is supposedly an awful defender. Their oppPER should not be close, let alone BD trailing.
but on a great D even the weakest defender will have a good oppPER
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Kobe breathing down his neck will wear him out, imo
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you can't tell him anything
he knows it all and when you disagree you’re cherry picking and trying to make an argument.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hmm.
Yes. It is cherry picking to refer to the actual shooting percentage when discussing how good a 3 pt shooter someone is.
lol
I didn’t understand your comment. Sorry. I thought you were criticizing my reference to the 3pt shooting percentage.
I think Ben has a good point about Davis’s playmaking, but I think he is over the hill.
no
my opinion of baron not being an upgrade over fisher is frowned apon. he said i was cherry picking things to try to make an argument…..whatever that means.
A motivated Baron Davis is an upgrade
The non-motivated one that we have seen the majority of the last 5 years is a pain in the ass to watch play. But he has more talent than Fisher at this point in his career, and it’s something that would be at least worth a try to see if he can motivate himself here. If he can’t, they can always just release him and go back to Fisher after that. It’s not like Fish is off the team if Baron comes.
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Definitely over the hill
Baron Davis will upgrade our whole PG lineup. But he is not much of an upgrade over Fish and I’d rather have Fish.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:04 AM PST up reply actions
Fisher shoots far too few 3s for this comparison
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
lol
I think in their careers they have both shot enough threes for it to be definitive that BD is not as good a 3 pt shooter. BD has always been a poor, low 30% shooter. He hasn’t been at 33% for the last 6 seasons.
it doesn't matter if Fish refuses to be the leading 3-pt shooter on the team
he then doesn’t become a regular threat from there and whatever gains from him shooting a high% are immediately lowered
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
He was a 13-7-3 guy last year.
We would probably see 15-7-5 in LA. Thats a huge upgrade.
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by cerebralfish on Dec 18, 2011 6:16 AM PST up reply actions
ok..
now you try to convince ME why you would want to start a 38 yr old pg in fisher over davis? when motivated, you have to admit, baron can take it too people…..when motivated! (key word).
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 18, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Oh and make sure to have this smile as you read it
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I'll reiterate that
Baron is not an upgrade over Fisher.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
He isnt an upgrade over Fisher?
Damn near every other pG in the league is an upgrade over Fisher and alot of the backups. What can Fisher do besides make a 3 and that’s the ONLY thing he does better than Davis.
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Davis is 5 years younger than Fisher. How can they possibly be equal?
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they're both washed up
davis is over weight
fisher is a slap around defender
davis isn’t a defender at all
what else is there left for them?
and even with all of that he's still better than Fisher....
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I’m a big Davis fan. But we don’t know how he comes off of back issues (and really no one else does). Backs are serious things.
by ________key on Dec 17, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if he's better than fisher its only by a little bit
so little you can’t see it with the naked eye….
i can’t believe you guys are throwing fish so far under the bus for……..baron………..davis!!!!!!!!!! come on, fish bleeds purple and gold. that’s just sad.
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The problem with Fish, for me, is that he has performed in an offense that requires literally zero traditional PG play. The triangle does not run the offense through the PG. His “job” basically has been to dribble the ball up, pass it, and then move over to the weak side.
And shoot 3s
which he flat out refused to do
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
They didn't run a triangle in Jerry Sloan's offense
That was his best statistical season. He ran point and the two. He had absolutely no problem. Your argument is flawed and I feel like no Laker fan should be throwing Fisher under the bus!
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
They run the flex, which is predicated on heavy screening, and I don't think Fish was ever asked to do more than take the ball up and initiate the offense.
Seeing as he’s a pretty bad P&R point guard. He mostly did what he did here — spot up on the wings and occasionally make the initial pass to start up the offense.
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Bleeding purple and Gold doesnt help his d and inability to hit any shot inside the 3pt line
Im sorry but pople tend to live in the past when it comes to Fish and disregard his present state of inneffectiveness.
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for everything he's ever done
he should always have a place in a real lakers’ fan heart and a place in this organization…
Nobody's discrediting Fisher's accomplishments.
The simple truth is that he can’t produce anymore.
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Ima Laker Fan so i want whas best for the team and him playing major minutes isnt helping the team at all
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okay with Fish comin off the bench
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by EmmCeee on Dec 17, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely
behind a young point guard, not baron
by mr92687!!! on Dec 17, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you're acting like we're committing to baron with a 5 year 40 mil deal. it's probably for a year or two for the minimum, and i'm perfectly fine taking that risk
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no i don't think we're committing to him
when you go to the doctor do you want the doctor to fixed the problem for good or just make it feel better for now? i want an end to our pg issues, that’s all.
Leaving Fisher at point is like not going to the doctor at all
You just keep getting sicker and sicker but that’s ok cuz you were healthy a cpl years ago…..
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Let's not forget
he’s still the absolute best in the league at defending against a 3 on 1 fast break
Because even though Baron has more natural talent,
He’s let himself go to hell physically.
Plus he’s injured.
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He looks 5 years older
Dude does NOT take care of himself. He needs to shave!
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
What young point guards do you honestly think we can get at the moment?
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 17, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
i don't know
mitch said they’re pursuing big moves, point guard is the biggest need so i say wait and see.
who's on the cavs roster?
gibson still? sessions? at some point i see us acquiring a cavalier, for obvious reasons.
Decent signing...
Hopefully this is his bounce back year…he should give us good production…I’d love to have the golden state baron but the current baron not so much even if he gets healthy
by purplebloodgoldheart on Dec 17, 2011 5:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I know Murphy didnt fit in well last year with his teams
But he looked truly awful in both New Jersey and Boston. I think he will play better, but Im not expecting the 18 PER version of him coming back this year.
Sure, I'm not expecting that much.
But it wouldn’t be remiss to expect a 12-13 PER version that shoots 38+% behind the arc and cleans up the boards well. Scheme-wise he fits in well with our current stable of bigs also.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
i'm optimistic.
he’ll be a bench player, so expecting 14-10 is obviously out of the question. at the same time, i feel like there were mitigating factors last season. first, he didn’t even want to play in Jersey, so that, combined with Avery’s impatience for less-than-gifted defenders immediately landed Murph into the doghouse. these issues persisted even after he got his release and joined BOS.
i think a change in scenery of being where he’d like to be, getting in shape, having a shot at truly learning Brown’s entire philosophy will do wonders for his game to a point where he can really really take off playing off the bench.
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I don’t think that Avery was disappointed that Murphy was not “gifted” with defense. He was disappointed with the lack of defensive effort. Defense is effort. Boston also is a defense-is-effort team. Do we expect this to change?
well, as a 15-20 mpg player on a one year contract with things to prove, i do expect it to change just enough!
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He was hurt (or hurting) last year on top of the aformentioned.
Maybe he and McRambis will channel their best days in Indy. They’ve both won the lottery.
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by Zen and Tonic on Dec 17, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
What makes you say this?
Moreover, Murphy is yet another in a litany of bigs capable of running the pick-and-pop, a key part of the San Antonio offense Mike Brown will likely incorporate.
He was primarily a stand behind the 3 point line guy at Indiana. He averaged only .5 attempts from 10-15 feet there, and a little over 2 from 16-23 ft shooting in the mid-40%s. He is capable of running it, but certainly this certainly isn’t a strength.
Just putting it as a side note.
The pick-and-pop was a basic starting set for the Duncan/Robinson offense in San Antonio, so just pointing out that Murphy can be a part of it, although as you stated, he was primarily a stand behind the arc kind of guy. I don’t know how Brown is going to utilize him specifically, although as I noted above, his strengths on offense mesh well with what Gasol and Bynum do on the block, whether that comes in the high post or behind the arc.
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I hear you
I guess I’m very conservative about him. I watched him in NJ (being on the East coast), and was shocked at how far he had fallen. When they signed him there were very high hopes.
And I kind of resist looking at all the pluses of a new player, and forgetting about the minuses. I honestly hope he gets very few minutes, mostly because of his lack of defense.
As a fourth big, you could do a lot worse than Murphy. I think that's the bottom line here.
Especially on a team so desperate for spacing as this one.
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Good read.
Bottom line, he isn’t DJ or Joe Smith or Theo.
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by Zen and Tonic on Dec 17, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
I am struggling to understand your point
Are you complaining that Murphey doesn’t take enough 10-15 and 16-23 ft jumpshots? The same shots that are considered the worst in basketball in terms of expected value. If he prefers the 3-pt line that is even better… more floor space and an extra point for each make with only a minor decrease in fg%.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 17, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think he meant that Murphy hasn't been part of many pick-and-pop sets that much in his past stops.
In response to my point that he might be asked to be a part of it here because it likely will be part of Brown’s offense.
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some think stern might’ve conspired to help the lakers, given that he thought the lakers were giving up too much for a pg
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Stern can slow the Lakers down but he can't stop them.
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by Zen and Tonic on Dec 17, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
i feel bad for jeff green. hope he fully recovers.
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by Zen and Tonic on Dec 17, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
i think i prefer there being no news about howard’s status. that should bode well for laker fans, given mitch’s tendency to work in secrecy.
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one trade does not make somebody "that works in the shadows"
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Plus, as evidenced by the CP3 drama...
it’s pretty much impossible in this day and age to pull off a high profile trade without the Broussards of the world flinging out contradictory rumors and speculation on Twitter, and ESPN turning it into a media circus.
It’s much safer to assume that no news is no news. I wouldn’t be shocked if Dwight didn’t even get traded and ends up leaving in free agency.
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I thought that we should of signed Murphy last year, before he signed with Boston
a couple years removed from David Lee numbers, but can also hit the 3
maybe him not playing much last year, might have him more focused and commited
if thats the case we might have another 6th man on our hands
wishful thinking I know
i honestly think your sentiments are closer to reality than some of the things i've been reading lately
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by imposibol on Dec 17, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, no.
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by Ben R on Dec 17, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
let me get this straight
davis over fisher = yes
arenas over fisher = no
lol
please explain, please…..
I think I'd rather have Fisher than Davis.
At least Fisher, for all his limitations, works hard and shows up in shape every season. And you know you’re getting 100% from him every night.
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Arenas sucked balls last season, Baron didn't.
Shot terribly (and way, way too much), played brutal defense, and seemingly has no conception that his current ability is way lower than what he thinks it is. Moreover, he had no other redeeming factors — didn’t distribute the rock well, took shots away from more efficient sources (like say, Dwight Howard), and was terrible all around. If you want it stat-wise, Baron was at least a 17 PER player last year, Arenas was at 10 PER, and even that might be inflated because of his unnecessarily large usage rate.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I think I've said this before on here...
but anyone who brings in Baron Davis will regret it quickly. He has a history of no motivation, feuds with his coaches (which is why he got shipped out of Charlotte and struggled under Mike Dunleavy), selfish play, and an inability to start the season in playing shape. At best, you can only expect to see brief, rare flashes of his true greatness. I’m so glad the Clippers are no longer weighed down by all the drama he brought.
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by 82-0 on Dec 17, 2011 6:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think he was playing well when he finally got to play with Blake Griffin
but you have an excellent point
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Yeah, he played well for like two weeks...
after he finally got done playing his way into shape, after being out for the first few weeks of the season.
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Having Derek Fisher as your starting point guard will make you do desperate things.
Plus, I think the Lakers are one team that can (relatively speaking) keep Baron in line. He’ll be on the team he’s always wanted to be on, he’ll have Kobe as his backcourt partner to induce him not to gun that much, and we really, really need a point guard capable of setting other players up in the halfcourt.
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He gunned even when he had Blake Griffin.
I don’t think even Kobe could make Baron Davis stop gunning.
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He'll at least limit it.
Kobe has had success in convincing his teammates to defer to him, see The Artist Formerly Known as Ron Artest. And even then, he’ll be an upgrade on Derek Fisher, who will be completely out of place in an offense that requires him to do more than dribble the ball up the floor and spot up on the wings. I really can’t stress the latter part more.
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Blake Griffin
isn’t a high usage player with or without Davis at this point. So, I can’t see this comparison making sense
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What about louis williams at PG?
i have been a big fan of his for along time
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yeah. good luck getting the sixers to give up one of their top/consistent scoring threats.
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Good signing for this reason
Murphy >>> 38YOTR
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Davis vs Arenas
O.k one has a bad back and the other knees are shot. This really sucks. But hey Lou Williams was mentioned earlier and the 76ers were somewhat interested in Lamar, why don’t we, oh wait. Never mind…..
by Michael_H on Dec 17, 2011 7:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Man, Kevin Love is a beast.
If the Lakers are thinking about trading Gasol, I want that guy.
Thank God, the NBA is back. Anyway, I agree, Baron Davis presents an upgrade. However, I think his health will render him useless. Baron just can’t stay healthy enough to have an impact on the court. The Lakers have a smaller margin for error and while Baron is good, his health will leaves Lakers even more vulnerable.
The Lakers should look for players that are effective and can stay on the court to show their impact.
by E-ROC on Dec 17, 2011 7:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The Lakers should trade for Luke Ridnour too.
by E-ROC on Dec 17, 2011 7:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Would you trade?
Bynum, Gasol, Blake
for
Howard, Nelson, Turkoglu
Basically Howard > Bynum, Nelson < Gasol, Blake = Turkoglu
I’d hate to do it, but we need a future and not sure Bynum will last. One has the feeling Orlando is just waiting to see if they can get both Bynum and Gasol.
More like
Howard >>> Bynum ©
Nelson >>> Blake (PG)
Turk <<< Gasol (PF)
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The reason why I put Nelson and Gasol opposite each other is that they are major parts of the trade. Blake and Turk are throwins.
The trade would be more interesting if Big Baby or Anderson were thrown in.
Still, you should look at the difference in talent at the respective positions.
It comes down to if the dropoff in talent at the PF position is worth the increase in talent at the other 2 positions.
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and since when in this world
is Jameer better than Gasol???
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 17, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
He has it the other way around.
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Reply was to ______key
Sorry
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 17, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
And then I pull a dumb comment twice. lol
I noticed. Sorry, again
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 17, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I would.
Gasol doesn’t have much future, Howard does. Nelson would solve our PG issue. The only problem would be Turk starting at PF, which isn’t too bad, I guess.
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Yeah, and we also have McBob and Murphy with Turk
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 17, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
There you go.
What’ll make this trade good or bad in the long run will be whether or not Nelson actually produces. If Turk ends up being productive, that’s a bonus.
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I wouldn't mind it...
A line-up with Howard, Nelson, and a bunch of three-point threats already made an NBA finals. I like the odds of a similar team with an improved Howard and certain Kobe Bryant would be able to at least do the same, if not close the deal.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 17, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Tebow > Brady
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by chaucer on Dec 17, 2011 7:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
madness
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I want Howard to be a Laker, but I wouldn’t do Bynum and Gasol for him
by dannblala on Dec 17, 2011 7:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Then you're probably not going to get Howard.
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Pretty funny how if we were to go back a couple of years,
Baron or Gilbert…. WE WANT BOTH! Now it’s you want the fat dude with the bad back or the crazy gun dude with the bad knees? How things change.
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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 17, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions
Correction:
The fat dude with the bad back who got outplayed by Steve Blake on the Clippers.
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Unless we've got a trade lined up, we need Davis.
Low-risk, potentially high-reward. All we’ve got left to have him with is the minimum, and he’s definitely worth that. As for his reputation for laziness, somehow I doubt the Lakers, and Kobe in particular, will put up with that shit right now. He fucks around, we can cut him. Too easy.
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
by Saurav A. Das on Dec 17, 2011 8:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Think about it, Fisher is the worst starting PG in the League.
Not like we can get much worse in that regard.
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
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...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
by Saurav A. Das on Dec 17, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I don’t agree with this at all. I can’t believe Laker fans are stating this sort of stuff.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
whose a worse starting PG
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Baron Davis, that's one.
Jimmer Fredette, Ricky Rubio, Kirk Hinrich, Jose Calderon, Kyle Lowry.
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Fredette isn't a starter
Neither is Hinrich. Rubio we haven’t seen yet. Calderon and Lowry, you’ve gotta be kidding. As for Baron Davis, I mean, that’s the debate. But I think there’s a pretty good case that Davis played far better than Fisher.
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If it's only slightly I think I'd take Fish
Friggin intangibles, stepping up in the playoffs and hitting big shots.
Thats it though. The only starting point guard that comes to mind that I’d start Fisher over is Chalmers.
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Much better defensively
and able to do a lot more than just spot up from 3
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I'd rather start the rookie than play either Fisher, Arenas or Davis.
I mean honestly with our PG play last year, we can only go up or stay the same. Don’t think we could get worse.
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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 17, 2011 8:35 PM PST reply actions
Shooters
and a slightly above average PG would be nice.
Hopefully the guys they’ve signed can still shoot.
Now, where’s that PG…?
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I know he’s always been a nice guy, but man, he sure took it to another level after that fiasco.
He damn sure doesn't want to go
Lamar will never recover from depression after his trade. Gasol want’s to be a Laker!
by datboyeddiep on Dec 18, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Pau hasn't changed one bit. He's always been like this.
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If Dirk were to go down, Dallas is a lottery team and we have their pick. That means ping pong balls. wouldn’t it be wild if we won a top player with that pick. Would love to see Sterns face when he announces the Lakers have the first pick. Cuban, Gilbert and the other owners would pass out!
Pick is top 20 protected, so that unfortunately wouldn't happen.
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so the lakers would get a different draft pick from the future?
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Not on that team he doesn't.
Without someone else to spread the floor for him and without a consistent threat, I don’t see Odom putting up any better numbers than he did when it was just him and Kobe
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I was joking, but when was the last time Odom played with a distributing PG, who runs the floor, like Kidd?
Never
but Dirk is what makes that offense work, less Kidd’s distribution.
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Call me crazy, and someone did the other day about this
But I just keep thinking Mitch should be revisiting the Houston deal, maybe he is for all we know. I really believe that Dragic is a stating caliber PG, he carved us up in the playoffs a few years ago. Martin is the perfect backup that can score and keep Kobe around 28-30 minutes which is critical for the playoffs, he could also play with Kobe in certain match ups sliding Kobe to the 3 against smaller forwards. I watched a little of the SA/ Rocket game tonight and Scola was beasting, he is a more than adequate scorer who could compliment Bynum perfectly. Plus we get the draft pick which would probably end up in the low to mid 20’s and possibly teens if the stars aligned for us. That would leave us with potentially 3 1st rd picks in a stacked Draft Class, depending on how much of a douchebag Cuban wants to be. I love Gasol, but this trade is giving us so much quality depth in return it is hard to ignore. This one trade would solve so many problems, and give us assets for trading later down the line.
A.Bynum is already out for the first 5 games, and is injury prone
I’m not sure you want to trade your only decent front court option at this point, or soon.
How would the first 5 games of the season go, let alone any that Bynum misses from injury?
The first 5 games are really insignificant to me. We should be able to go 2-3 or better.
The sooner we can get all the pieces we need the better for jelling purposes. i could care less about waiting 5 games for Bynum to come back.
HUH?
The trade deal? If that’s what you’re asking I’m saying that everything that Houston was giving N.O. for Pau in the CP3 deal we should ask Morey to put back on the table and just take it for ourselves.
Per ESPN, Lakers are on Gilbert Arenas' wishlist of teams to join.
And I’m told that Arenas, in the wake of his Orlando release, has established a four-team wish list for resuming his comeback from the gunplay debacle in Washington that derailed his career and an unsuccessful stint with the Magic. The 29-year-old is holding out hope that the call comes from either the:
• Lakers …
• Heat …
• Knicks …
• Or whichever team trades for Dwight Howard.
Also, this.
But the most interesting scenario I’ve heard all weekend is the idea that both Davis and Arenas could wind up in New York. One source close to the situation, in fact, says that the two Angelenos have discussed this concept.
Would the Knicks dare bring them both in? Seems unlikely with Mike Bibby already in New York, but you can make the argument that — given the bargain prices involved — Davis plus Arenas is at worst an intriguing option in the Knicks’ quest to develop a guard rotation on a par with the frontcourt power trio of Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler.
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oops.
here’s the link:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34282/gilbert-arenas-free-agent-wish-list
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arenas is 29?
he seems like he’s 39
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Dec 17, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Ric Bucher says
that Pau has supposedly “not moved on”. Um, not from what we’ve been seeing. Pau’s been as professional as ever, and he looks determined to prove that he’s still an NBA superstar. Where do they get this crap?
Arenas
Arenas was one of the worst guards in the NBA last year and it had nothing to do with attitude and everything to do with his knees. He has had several surgeries and hasn’t been the same. Just the fact that no one is beating down his door is a clue in itself. Teams will over look attitude if you have game. Unfortunately Gilbert hasn’t had one for awhile.
As for the fore mentioned Houston trade, I don’t know if Houston would do it now. Their plan was to bring Nene in along with Pau. Besides it would leave us really thin at center. Andrew could not get hurt or even get in foul trouble. McBobs and Murphy might be able to do some spot minutes at the 5 but neither one would be very good with extended minutes there. Now if Houston would include George Hill even if it meant pulling Kevin Martin, I would feel better about it.
The ONLY case in which it would be ok to get Arenas....
Is for the vet’s minimum and he comes off the bench. Which isn’t happening.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
This is an aspect of signing Arenas no one has mentioned
Apparently Dwight was pissed that the Magic amnesty’d him, and is interested in going to the team that lands Arenas. For that reason alone it might be worth taking a flier on him.
If we sign Baron Davis
The Lakers can officially apply for AARP membership
#FAILFORMIKHAIL
#SUCKFORGALCHENYUK
Well, the average age of our starting lineup would drop dramatically if Davis replaces Fisher ;)
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
now that someone mentioned it, i wonder if the dwight trade got any more momentum knowing our frontline is once again tall and secure
should a trade for howard/turk/nelson for bynum/gasol/blake occur, we’d be one steal (lamar tpe) of millsap away from elite in the bigs area again. add to that that arenas is close to surely coming after a howard trade is a bonus (he can play backup 2 guard minutes and perhaps can rediscover his scorer potential). not to say we need him. but right now, i’d put him above davis.
pg – nelson/morris/fisher
sg – kobe/arenas/kapono/goudelock (likely sent to dleague)
sf – barnes/turkey/ebanks/walton (please retire or just become a tasty tpe)
pf – millsap/mcbob/caracter
c- howard/murphy
i’d go to war with that lineup. it’s orlando + kobe and millsap (much better than bass)
anyway, these moves let’s me forget kobe’s getting divorced. how’s that issue anway?
Why would you need something to help you forget about Kobe's divorce?
That “issue” doesn’t really need to be discussed.
Bamboozled.
well i just hope it doesn't screw with his game
but anyway, after colorado, this should just be another walk in the park,
Why
No holding offer on Baron with Sasha’s TPE?
Either we want him, or someone wants to pay bonus luxury tax.
trade rumors of pau to minny?
is this for love (the only one i would take back)? how are they going to do that with the salary discrepancy?
KAHNNN!
There would be a couple of ways to do it...
The key pieces for the Lakers to acquire would likely be Love and Ridenour plus a back-up center (Brad Miller or Darko Milicic). The part where it gets tricky is the small difference between Brad Miller’s salary ($4.752M) and Darko’s ($4.776M). The Darko is included the salaries are close enough to do the trade. If Brad Miller is included in the trade then the salaries are off by less than $9,000 and so other players would have to be included.
One option (and it would work under both scenarios) would be to include Michael Beasley and Steve Blake. A trade could look like this:
Love, Ridenour, Beasley, Miller for Gasol and Blake.
Lakers would get a young rebounding stretch four in Love. I think he’s ideal player to put on the front court next to Bynum (or Howard) as he provides spacing but cleans up on the defensive glass. Ridenour would be an upgrade at the PG position. The Lakers could look to amnesty Artest and have Beasley be the back-up SF who provides a great scoring punch from the bench and if he doesn’t work out he is on the final year of his contract so there is no long term risk with him. Finally, the Lakers get Miller who is a great back-up center whose ability to shoot and pass would be perfect under the system that Brown is looking to use with the high post.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 18, 2011 6:53 AM PST up reply actions
We'd ask for a bounty back if that was the case.
Love, Beasley, Ridnour, Pekovic, a pick, and for Minny to take back a bunch of our bad contracts (Blake/Walton). We’re not actively looking into trading Pau, so if Minny wants him, they’ll have to pay a steep price to pry him away from us.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I agree...
They would have to make it worth for the Lakers, not the other way around.
I would certainly be open to it if we were able to acquire Love, Beasley, Ridenour, and Miller (a draft pick would be icing on the cake) and they would have to take Blake or Artest (I am assuming Walton retires due to his health).
One of the more underrated reasons to make such a trade would be to better position ourselves to trade Bynum for Howard. Currently we have no assets that Orlando wants other than Bynum and Gasol. With a trade like this we could now include salary relief (Beasley expiring deal) and a draft pick (Minnesota’s) and take back Turkoglu.
We would be looking at a line-up of:
PG: Ridenour\Fisher\Morris
SG: Bryant\Gouldelock
SF: Turkoglu\Barnes\Kapono\Ebanks
PF: Love\Murphy\McRoberts\Character
C: Howard\Miller
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 18, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
That can work, assuming we make the trade two months before the deadline to give us enough room.
Although the NBA should really be shortening all these restrictions (i.e. can’t trade a player three months after signing him via FA) for this season.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I agree....
All of the traditional time constraints should have been adjusted for the shortened season.
In your piece earlier this week you mentioned that by not trading Bynum now we could showcasing him and may be able to pull of a Howard for Bynum deal closer to the deadline. A deal like this would improve that potential as we would be able to dangle two more assets in front of Orlando that we don’t currently have (a large expiring contract and draft pick). We could even include Ebanks as well.
Howard and Love would be the PF/C front line in the league and also one of the younger combinations as well.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 18, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
lol, Goudelock had some big chucking going on with the D-Fenders.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20111217/BAKLAD/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Was 2-10, although it was his first game against better talent.
Even D-League play is a step above anything he saw in college. And I’d imagine in any case that most of those were probably off the dribble and contested, which won’t be the case with the parent team. Nice to see he can dish the rock though. Some more seasoning down there — as teams have unlimited D-League assignments under the new CBA — will do him some good in improving his shot selection, cutting down on the TOs, etc. Lot to like though.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
on the bright side....
Other than the struggles from deep, he shot 9-14 from inside the arc. I quickly browsed the play-by-play and only counted 3 layups so most were mid-range shots.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 18, 2011 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
Moreover, looking on what Musselman's postgame comments
Goudelock and Thomas knew positively nothing about the D-Fenders’ offense or where people are, so the heavy amount of TOs is pretty explainable. In that context, his performance was actually pretty good. He practiced in the morning with the Lakers and then had to go play with the D-Fenders in the evening, which is pretty rough for a rookie.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Whoops, my bad
But that was good to know in any case. People like me usually forget the nuances rookies go through as they jump into pro basketball. Hopefully he’ll find that ground under his feet in due time and go back to shooting 3s like they were layups.
Baron Davis-esque.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I don't get this
Why the f*** do we want Baron Davis? He is injured and fat. At least Fisher plays like every game, is clutch and is a good leader.
Logic
will do you no good here.
Actually, there are many of us who don’t really want him considering his injuries, bad physical shape, and lack of consistent drive.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
Gilbert Arenas is much worse though, he is a basketcase. Hold off singing Davis till he recovers from his injury.
by Yellow_Evan on Dec 18, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Huh?
Logic will do you no good here.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
i can just imagine whats going through kobe's mind right now....
first of all, not landing either one of the big prizes, and watching the F.O. resorting to signing older, unathletic, players in kapono, and troy murphy. smh…….unreal. and now talks about landing gilbert arena, or baron davis?
im guessing that kobe in fuming inside. i would be pissed too. all i have to say, is, mith better pull another rabbit out of jim buss’ hat, becaues if the lakers stumble out of the gate early? kobe will go off eventually. and to tell you all the truth, besides the “big 2”, (howard/paul). i really dont see anyone else out there that the lakers could swing deals for.
im guessing the laker brass see that too, knowing that they didnt even use sasha’s MLE. they just sat on there hands on that one. i mean, who else is there? kevin love? josh smith? andre igoudala? the lakers need a bonafide, young pg, and right now i dont see anything worth going for. man, i was soo excited at the beginning of the season, when we had paul…for 10 minutes! after that? the whole damn building has been caving in on lakerland. im praying that mitch has something up his sleeve, instead of resorting to amassing all these brick shoe’d, pf’s, to compensate for odom…….smh.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 18, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Trade the Odem TPE and a first round pick for D.J. Augstin
by Yellow_Evan on Dec 18, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Fixed.
i can’tjustimagine whats going through kobe’s mind right now….
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
thank you socal...
sorry for all the mispells lol im at work catching up on some things, and im trying to type what i want to say, and be quick about it, so i can get out of here lol.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 18, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Worse than a motivated Baron Davis anyway
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Just going up on ESPN com: Sources say Baron Davis has committed to sign with Knicks. Link on the way
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
WTF.
I’m going to kill someone if I have to watch Blake/Fish for an entire season.
i dont like arenas...
theres something about his gm that i dont like. or is it his quick “trigger” mentality?
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 18, 2011 11:15 AM PST reply actions
Don't PANIC!
The Waiver wire is about to be loaded with point guards in a minute!!
Clippers have 6 point gaurds and 2 or 3 have to go.
Minnesota has 4 point gaurds, and 1 or 2 has to go.
There will be players like. Luke Ridnour, McGinnis, Mo Williams could be traded. Dragic could get waived. And remember last years draft yielded the Clippers one:
Travis Leslie 6’ 4" from GA who will probably be waived.
We will get a young one along here somewhere, I’m sure.
theres not one player on here worth wanting for me.
im not saying big names, but there has to be someone out there better than that list.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 19, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Don't count out Pau being traded to Hou in a three way with MINN.
The deal could land us Scola and Beasley and Ridnour.
Another, has Pau for Kevin Martin and Scola.
Another has Pau to Minn for Love, Beasley, Ridnour, etc.
Something should get done.
Kobe needs to Demand a trade, for Jim Buss to get off his ASS and do something positive!
C’mon Kobe, turn up the heat on bumbling Jimmy, and let’s get Dwight & prepare for Darren Williams!! Stern can’t stand in your way anymore. He’s busy hiring Bodygaurds!!
all those senario's besides kevin love...
i DONT want! beasley? give it a month and him and bynum will renew there “friendship” either in the locker room, or practice. i just cant stand that dude. immature as hell.
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