Lamar Odom Is A One Man Shakespearian Tragedy
by C.A. Clark on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 PM PST
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PrintOver the past few years, whenever anybody has asked me who my favorite Los Angeles Laker is, the answer has left my mouth as instantly as the question is asked: "Lamar Odom". Invariably, especially if the question was asked by a non-Laker fan, the follow up is: "Not Kobe?" No, not Kobe. Lamar. LO. The Candyman. Kobe Bryant has been responsible for so much of my love of the game of basketball. It is primarily because of him that I have enjoyed the glory of rooting for five NBA championship squads (that I remember) in my lifetime. He's provided so many magical moments that my love of the game will always be tied to him. But since this particular Lakers squad returned to relevance, Lamar has always been my favorite.
Maybe it's because he was the team's everyman, providing whatever it was they needed on any given night. Not whatever it was the team needed on every given night, mind you. Lamar was nowhere to be found on plenty of occasions in which the Lakers could have used one of his many, many skills. But, over the past few years, Lamar has deputized as needed in a variety of areas: primary rebounder, primary creator, best help defender, even a couple cameos as knock-down sharp shooter. LO rarely puts the whole package together, but he is capable of being so good at each individual piece that his game is more than the sum of its parts, even though he never bothers to actually sum up the parts.
No, that's not why I love Lamar Odom. I love him because when I look at who he is, when I look at what he does, I see myself. When I look at his struggles, at what he's gone through and how he's handled himself, I don't see injuries and dollar signs and the multitude of other "concerns" basketball stars normally have to deal with. I see reality. The way Lamar Odom found redemption in his life through basketball gave me hope that maybe I'll be able to do the same somehow, someday. Lamar Odom was symbolic of the rest of us common folks in a way that most basketball players can never come close to. And that makes Lamar's exit from Lakerland all the more tragic.
Despite the athletic godliness, incredible skill set, and the roughly $100 million dollars paid to him over the course of his career, Lamar Odom has actually been dealt a pretty shitty hand by life. He's not the only NBA star to have a troubled childhood, but losing one parent to drugs (Lamar's father is alive, but the relationship is estranged) and another to cancer by the age of 12 is incredibly rough. He endured a hellish summer (2006) in which his grandmother (the most important figure of his childhood) died, his infant son died of SIDS, and he was robbed at gunpoint. As a basketball player, he has long been defined as an NBA disappointment, blessed with tons of talent, but unable to gain any level of consistency or focus.
But, in Los Angeles, as a Laker, he had finally found peace. He was happy, as a player, as a teammate, as a husband, as a person. He found a group of guys that loved him for who he was, and did not expect him to be someone that he wasn't. He found love in the most unlikely of places, right in the midst of the most blinding social spotlight this town has. Over the past couple of years, Lamar has had everything he ever wanted. Then, that happiness was ripped away from him by the "business" of the sport, when it was reported the Lakers traded him away. Except the trade fell through, so he had a chance to get a reprieve. Instead, devastated by the news that he would lose his teammates, his basketball family, and the ability to play in the city and for team that he loved, Lamar Odom demanded to lose his teammates, his basketball family, and the ability to play in the city and for the team that he loved. This was his basketball life, and he was told it was over. Then, miraculously, it wasn't. He could have counted his blessings and pretended the whole thing never happened. Instead, he committed suicide and took that basketball life away from himself.
In the grand scheme of things, Lamar Odom's departure from the Lakers is of far less significance than the multitude of tragedies and happy moments that have made up the sum of his life experience. All he has done is change his address of employment. That's not more influential than (essentially) being an orphan, or losing an infant child. It's not as meaningful as being a father, or a husband. For all the symbology at work here, Lamar is hardly destined for misery from this point forward. Maybe he'll do great in Dallas,or maybe he won't, but that point is irrelevant. Life is about more than basketball, even for an NBA athlete, and to say that Lamar Odom will never find happiness again because of this situation is overly melodramatic. For a man that has been through so much, where he gets paid millions of dollars to play basketball shouldn't even register.
But Lamar Odom deserved better. He deserved better from life, which has already given him so much loss. He deserved better from the game of basketball, to which he has devoted his life. He definitely deserved more from the Lakers, for whom he re-invented his game, sacrificed for the team, and was an overwhelmingly positive influence in some dicey situations. He played the way the Lakers wanted him to play, assumed the role they asked him to take. He was paid less money because of those actions, and took even less money than that to stay with the franchise that made him feel complete for the first time. Finally, no doubt due to all the other parties that failed to give Lamar Odom what he deserved, Lamar ended up deserving better from himself. Lamar Odom is no longer a Los Angeles Laker, and we can blame any combination of reasons and events for that fact. But Lamar cannot. He can only look in the mirror and blame himself.
It's a tragic ending to the Laker career of one of the team's most admirable, and flawed, characters. Lamar Odom, you will be missed.
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I will miss LO
But Lamar cannot. He can only look in the mirror and blame himself.
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
thank you lakergirl!
if he didnt present himself like a primma donna, and got all pissy, he very well could still be a laker! now the thing that aggravates the hell out of me, is, not only how he handled himself, and the whole situation, but getting traded to the freakin mavs! of all teams mitch, the defending champs!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 12, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I call bullshit.
How can he blame himself for being traded? He asked for it. He got what he wanted. Mitch didnt have to trade him to the Mavs but thas beside the point. Who knows if they informed him of their intentions to trade him for Paul? I would go on previous history and say they didnt being that they didnt tell Kobe (who is the star and face of the franchise) of their intentions on hiring Mike Brown. So yeah he has every right to feel disrespected by it. I for one dont care if he didnt come to practice the day after the trade fell through. If they told him afterwards they were still trying to work the trade out what’s the purpose of him being at practice anyway? Even beyond him asking for a trade they still didnt hafta trade him. They didnt trade Kobe when he went PUBLIC and asked for a trade. Im pretty confident his teammates ie Kobe, Fish and Metta could have smoothed things over and everything would have been just fine. The ONLY 2 trades i would have whole heartedly agreed with were the ones for Howard or Paul but not for some BS TE and crappy picks. I might be in the minority but i hope LO puts the screws to the Lakers each and every time we play the Mavs from here on out. We have none on the roster who can guard him and this is the ultimate motivation for Odom. II cant wait to see how he uses it for the Mavs this year
Da Bears....enuff said
If you can tell me the number of times a player is told he's going to be traded, I'll give you a cuhkie.
It just isn’t the way things are done. Pau Gasol was not told he was being traded to the Lakers and he was Memphis’ franchise player. Why would the Lakers tell Lamar he was going to be traded? How often does that happen?
They didn’t trade Kobe because he was the team’s STAR and they knew they needed to keep him. Completely different situation from Lamar. Kobe’s anger was because he needed help to win a championship. Lamar was pouting because he felt unwanted and didn’t think he could continue, his words. Lamar is not like everyone else, he would never have gotten over the sense that he was unwanted. It would have affected his play all season. He knows himself better than you know him.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
How do you know if it would have affected his play?
Considering all the things he’s had to deal with in his life and he continued to play ball.he didnt take a year off when his infant son died and quite honestly that is more telling of his will than anything you posted or assume about him.
Da Bears....enuff said
I know it would have affected his play because I've watched him since he came to the Lakers.
Lamar has let a bad call against him in the first quarter affect his play for the rest of the game. It was his MO for six years before this last season. This non-trade would have been more distracting for him than a shitty call from Joey Crawford. He didn’t take a year off after his son died because,as awful as it was, no one takes a year away from their job to grieve. That’s not telling of his will, that’s just common sense. Besides, playing basketball was an escape for him, he said so himself. And guess what? He had a fairly mediocre season that year, understandably. This would have been the same. Everything he said since Thursday is more telling of how his season as a Laker would have gone. As much as I hate to see him go, he’s better off in another uniform, as is the team.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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Of course i disagree
Ima side with Kobe who said had he stayed he would have gotten over it. Ya know someone who actually knows Lamar and has actually spent time with the guy not assuming the worst from afar and just watching the games. what you said might be true but ima take the word of someone a lil more in the loop and as of right now the Lakers are Worse without him on the team than they were before.
Da Bears....enuff said
You'll take Kobe's word over Lamar's, you know, someone who knows Lamar?
The guy who said he didn’t want to be where he wasn’t wanted? The guy who said they were gonna trade him anyway so he had to take control of his future? The guy who said he thought it was best for him to stay away from the training facility? You know, that guy?
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Lamar doesn't know Lamar as well as Kobe does!
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
That doesnt go with your statement on whther or not it would have affected his play.
He asked for the trade and got it. But it was a nice move to switch subjects tho. Gve you an A++ for that
Da Bears....enuff said
I specifically addressed your comments so that must mean you switched subjects.
As for it affecting his play…
The guy who said he didn’t want to be where he wasn’t wanted? The guy who said they were gonna trade him anyway so he had to take control of his future? The guy who said he thought it was best for him to stay away from the training facility?
…direct correlation.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
The thing about emotions are they die down.
That’s where we disagree. I side with Kobe who thinks had he stayed he would have gotten over it. The fact that he asked for a trade is part of that too.Honestly we ’re gonna hafta agree to disagree because neither one of is knows if it would or wouldnt have affected his play. It just as easily could have motivated him to play harder to prove Mitch wrong.
Da Bears....enuff said
Lamar was not going to get over it.
He is too sensitive a soul to have gotten over it. That’s what I’m talking about. This would have stayed with him, even Mitch, who happens to know Lamar, said that about him. It wasn’t going away.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Mitch knows him better than Kobe and the rest of his teammates? lol
I seriously doubt it. It’s speculation on both of our parts. I just think im right and you’re wrong and vice versa. we’ll never know since he’s no longer on the team
Da Bears....enuff said
What are you his fuckin psychic?
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 13, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Mediocre season? He was the 6th man of the year
You’re right we’re so much better off without him. Completely agree.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 13, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Reading comprehension, use it.
He didn’t take a year off after his son died because,as awful as it was, no one takes a year away from their job to grieve. That’s not telling of his will, that’s just common sense. Besides, playing basketball was an escape for him, he said so himself. And guess what? He had a fairly mediocre season that year, understandably.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Oh don't worry I'm fine in that department. I was talking about the gist of your arguments about LO
You’re still downplaying his role for us in a Boston sports fan manner, just like with Shaq. Loved em when they were with us then as soon as they leave, they’re bums and weren’t all that great.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 13, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
It amazes me how FOS you are. You've never once read a comment where I said Shaq wasn't great, nor LO for that matter.
I never liked Shaq and since you don’t anything about me, you can hardly dispute that. Did I like that he helped us win? Absolutely. Did I like HIM? No, never.
As for how I feel about LO, I won’t even justify that with a response.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
I agree,
Shaq’s a bit of a douchie dude.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Why would he blame himself? He's happy at the moment
Management shouldn’t have pulled the trigger so quickly. They should have at least told him that they respected his wish to be traded and they would start taking offers from other teams. That didn’t mean they had to deal him literally for nothing to another Western conference contender. A team with a certain owner who was one of the owners who bitched about us getting Paul. We just gave that guy the reigning 6th man of the year for nothing, or as Kobe would say, “To them”.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely gonna miss you, LO.
COAST TO COAST!!!!!
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
by SoCalGal on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nahh I've seen some of the show that he was on and dude seems genuinely happy.
He had the best year of his career last year as well.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Care to explain?
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
She whispered into his ear that he should be pissed off
and resent the trade implications,
and that he should kill Mitch in his sleep and take over as GM.
But that part hasn’t come out yet…
(just playin’ with the Bard tragedies concept: Gawd forbid we joke about the wonderful influence the bizarre Kardashian experience has had on him and our poor culture)
They've had a great influence on him, a real family like he's always wanted. A brother, sisters, a mother and father.
As for our culture, that’s a tragedy for another time.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Wow
http://lakers.ocregister.com/2011/12/12/mitch-kupchak-we-are-pursuing-big-deals-right-now/67459/
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
So he was only traded because of his attitude
Which sucks, because it may have been more emotion speaking than anything. I’d be willing to bet that if they hung onto him, he’d be fine by the time Christmas came around. And at the very least they’d still have him as a trade chip for D-12.
Very disappointing. I’ll miss LO.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Mitch wasnt willing to take that chance i guess
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
we give them (Kardashians) a hard time and they really are awful
but she seems to legitimately make him happy and supports him. And they seem to genuinely love each other. If anything, she’ll lend him support for this. I hope to see him back someday in purple and gold…
by keithsweatshirt on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I bet anything that his wife was a big part in his asking to be traded.
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
*sigh*
I am disappointed in you
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
And I'll double your bet that she wasn't. She's born and raised in L.A., her business and family are here.
Why would she want to leave?
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
i can see it now...
THE KARDASHIANS/ODOM DOES WICHITA FALLS TX ( odom waving while straddling a longhorn steer).
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 12, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
the NBA has always been a business
he acted like these things never happen. as a player who is not thee star but a 2nd or 3rd banana you should always be aware of the possibility of being traded especially when there are a couple superstars up for grabs that your team has a shot for.
he said that he didnt feel wanted, but its not that, they wanted him, but they wanted a bigger star MORE. its simple. and he shoulda been aware of that.
nevertheless he seemed like a good dude and a great locker room presence but if i was mitch and i had a chance to go after the kind of talent that chris paul is i would have no problem giving up lamar who has always been inconsistent. last year was sort of a fluke. he’s ALWAYS been inconsistent. the lakers were smart for trying to trade high with him.
and if youre worried about giving up HEIGHT for chris paul, i could care less about chris pauls height when his heart and grit dwarfs every 7 footer in this league. his intensity alongside kobes wouldve made the lakers a MEAN team, and lord knows we’ve needed some toughness and edge to match kobe’s for a long time.
"i look skinnier in HD" - charles barkley
i guarantee you with chris paul the lakers dont lose to the milwaukee bucks by 20 at home.
"i look skinnier in HD" - charles barkley
help me understand please
earlier i posted what a thought was legit fan post called WTF are we doing? it was taken down because it was considered just a comment,help me understand exactly what i needed to do because it wasnt just a comment,it was a basic question and wanted opinions on WTF the lakers are doing with this Lamar Odom trade and then it gave me some warning and said it was on some front page thread? please explain! thanks
by the fantasy king on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM PST reply actions
If it is a short question
Then post it in the fanshots section, not fanposts. Have a look at the column on the right of the webpage. Look at the fanposts and the fanshots and you should see the difference.
Probably just didn't have enough content to warrant a fan post.
If you’re just asking questions than you could have just simply asked in one of the front page threads.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
i found where he put my comment
no big deal i guess,just i thought it was good enough for a post but oh well,it will get seen!
by the fantasy king on Dec 12, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
lol yeah
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
No more Candyman... :(
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
LO reacted badly and got traded because of it
it’s sad and tragic but
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Awesome.
I have a feeling Orlando will sign Billups and maybe 1-2 more decent players and D12 will stay there. Therefore, we’re f***ed. Nice offseason gentlemen, nice offseason.
Go Sharks!
I doubt Billups will be happy with that.
Dude doesn’t want to be a backup nonetheless on a non contender like the Magics.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
If they keep Dwight, the Magic are still contenders, IMO.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
Dunno if Billups is really all it would take to keep Dwight.
Billups would definitely be upset that he would be signing on a team who already has a starting PG. Also the whole Dwight situation is a mess and he has no idea whether or not Dwight will stay. Heck, Dwight doesn’t even know. And the thing is also, if Billups is what Dwight really wants, why wouldn’t the Nets just put in a claim since they are before the Magic in the pecking order? Jameer Nelson and Billups or Deron Williams and Billups? I’d choose the latter right?
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
The Magic have the ability to win a title if they still have Dwight
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Even with Dwight and their current team,
they’re just 1st round fodder. Dwight was putting up 40-20 and they were still losing games.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
we should sign him and trade for D12 then we have D12 and D12 has Billups. Yay.
Kobe-Billups-MWP-Pau-D12 GG!
Go Sharks!
It's LO's own fault he got traded
If he’d been a professional like Pau, he’d still be here. And I wish he was still here, because I’d so much rather have him than a simple trade exception. Yea those can be useful, but Lamar was friggin 6th Man of the Year for a reason. I don’t like the idea of simply giving that way. I think Mitch overreacted to the situation just like Lamar did. I wish he’d waited and see if LO’s mood would change as he got practicing, but it is what it is. I wish LO luck in Dallas and I hope things work out well for the Lakers.
And thank you Lamar Odom for helping this team win a couple of championships too.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Lamar would have been gone no matter how he acted.
Regardless of his attitude, of Bynum, Pau and Odom, he is the most expendable. He was coming off a career year and his value peaked. Bynum is only moved for Howard. And Pau was only going to be moved for Paul or another star. Odom was going to be packaged into any deal that required another player. Mitch wanted to be a big player this year. Lamar was going to be on the first plane out of Laker land.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yea he probably would have
But I’d have liked to get more than a simple trade exception out of him if he were to be traded. And on the off chance that he wouldn’t have been traded, he’d have been a nice player to have on Christmas.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I disagree
Mitch didn’t exactly trade Kobe when he demanded it. I get it that they are different players, but a GM isn’t exactly going to drop everything during a crucial point in order to appease a disgruntled player. Something else is going on, could be just salary dump even, but I wouldn’t call the LO demands the proximate cause here.
exactly
lamar is hotheaded, but mitch isn’t (though jim buss may be…)
the “lamar wanted to be traded” excuse is most likely just smokescreen to divert the media’s attention
LOLWUT, since when is Lamar "hotheaded"?
Oh yeah, since never.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
I think he means Lamar is emotional/sensitive.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on Dec 13, 2011 4:02 AM PST up reply actions
That doesn't mean anything close to the same thing.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
"Oh that this too too sullied Laker flesh
should melt and resolve into a dew,
and to make matters worse, I’ve been traded to Dallas…"
All kidding aside, will miss you Lamar.
looks like mitch is into damage control mode for the nixed paul deals
if he somehow manages to pull millsap or scola for that tpe to be our new sixth man (preferring the former for youth)
then gets kobe’s back-up for the sasha tpe
then gets another competent veteran wing for mini-mle
and signs a back-up big
then solidifies the point with say billups (davis is questionable and arenas is more or less dwight incentive, dwight who by the blog post is becoming more unavailable to us)
i’d be happy with that.
if he adds a minor/major tweak to the sf position (i really don’t like how metta is handling this and committing himself or at least the way he talks about it) and with blake and picks could find an athletic wing who can at least keep in step with durant and lebron…
then we’d be even more better.
in all this, i still trust mitch/buss will follow through. GO LAKERS!
I'll truly miss Lamar. He's a Laker I've come to love.
I’ve been following the Lakers since the mid-60s and I’ve had many favorite players over the years. Many of those players I’ve admired for their great basketball ability or unique qualities. When I think of Lamar, I feel that he is one of the most gentle and sensitive humans that not only stepped onto a basketball court but who has come to Los Angeles. Even though his basketball skill are well documented to when he was a very young man growing in the projects in Queensbridge, I didn’t begin to follow his career until he played for Providence and was happy that the Clippers drafted him so that I could watch his elegant play here in the ciudad. We’ve been so fortunate to have had Lamar Odom as a Laker for these past years. Gold and Purple are his natural colors. I’m sorry to see him go but I believe he’s made Los Angeles his home as this is where he’s grown up before us all. Lamar to us all you’ll always be a Laker for all seasons.
Agreed.
I really liked LO and will miss him. It’ll look sick seeing him in a Dallas uniform.
Tornadoes suck.
The Long Arm of Lamar
We’ll miss you. Best of luck — well, okay, I don’t really mean this — in Dallas.
just for the heck of it: tried trading gasol/mwp/blake and pick for gay/randolph and it worked with minimal hollinger effect
could we unite the gasols and get a post threat who can shoot and a wing who can be a secondary scorer? in that event we’d have a pg/kobe/gay/randolph/bynum lineup.
but mem would be desperate do have gasol, dump a contract and would have to see gay as less than what he is worth
They gave Gay a max contract
and Randolph carried them deep into the postseason. There is no way they make that lopsided trade.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
how about randolph/conley/mayo for gasol/mwp/blake?
gives them gasol and sets their twin towers up, keeps their gay and dumps mayo who to me is someone mem might have given up on already?
we’d be conley/kobe/barnes/randolph/bynum with a 6th man from that tpe (millsap type) and have mayo to be kobe’s backup, a mini-mle big and a back-up center to round it up.
I just read that Mayo is off to Indiana.
Lookin’ pretty good over there.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
he's a gamble but i think the latter trade is more palatable to both sides
too bad we’re running out of options
ofcourse am assuming we still want to make moves. i think gasol is that moving part now. also willing to revisit the hou trade and see how much we can get. im fine if we don’t. too little time to learn new system and brown doing twin towers is intriguing.
as i said, just grab someone with millsap who could surprise us off the bench (we need a post threat from the bench, something lamar wasn’t willing to do), get billups, rent someone like nick young (i know not gonna happen), and backup C. we’re good to go
That's gay haha...ok sorry -.-
but I’m sure Mitch will figure something out…his quote from today’s Q/A was “We’re looking at some major trades” or something along those lines. Please Lakers…don’t disappoint :/
Go Sharks!
i hope so
getting mixed signals from him not wanting to part from gasol, bynum and kobe but looking for major trades…
lest he wants to get iguodala from our waste.
then what does he want to acquire those big names with may I ask?
To be honest, I am still lost and worried, but Go Lakers.
Go Sharks!
no idea.
same here. maybe pipe dreaming but in the end we all hope the lakers resurrect from this mess.
and get CP3 like tonight :D
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"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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and Howard in the morning.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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but he did part with gasol for about 3 hours
so basically, outside of kobe, everyone is part-able
of course, only for big names like cp3 and dwight.
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by afrikabamboodle on Dec 12, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
gonna miss seeing that vein popping out of his right shoulder.
hope mitch knows what he’s doing.
is it possible to get lowry, scola and martin for gasol, parts and pick?
or am i assuming hou is that desperate?
that trade answers 3 big problems: point guard, kobe backup and pf
4*
Kobe backup AND sixth man.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
its time to create a player
fire nba 2k12 up and send in your trades via league office
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now prokhorov wants to be russian president?
don’t think dwight wants to be involved in this mess
dwight can be vice president of russia
are you kidding me,he will have as much say as he wants!
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LOL, like the VP of Russia has any power.
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LOL, especially since I don't believe there's such a title in the Russian government.
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i would like to know
i guess its just part of his life but at the same time you would have to wonder if he would be too busy being the president of russia
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The Clippers placed a bid on Chauncey Billups, league source tells Y! Sports.
I guess they’re moving on from the CP3 fiasco. Wow.
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i don't think it'll be that hard to convince Billups to play there... unless he's that deadset on playing for a legit contender.
I do wonder, who would move to the bench between Billups and Mo?
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Mo
0 question
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
For a claim
or for FA??
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
So he is a Clipper then?..
Damn…
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Mo has 2 years left on his contract i believe
they could amnesty him, but I think he’d be a great 6th man
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
yeah, they will
I was just saying they’d amnesty him as opposed to Kaman since he has a longer contract
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HAHAHAHAHA
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by hobojarpen on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
T__T
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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hahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahah
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bottom line...
stern isnt letting ANYONE touch cp3! sucks!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 12, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm prepared for a mediocre season.
Unless Mitch pulls off a miracle, we won’t get deep into the playoffs.
Tornadoes suck.
Right?
It was just Lamar +Brown > Kobe
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
The Mitch interview concerns me infinitely more than I was prior to the same. I say that because he points to the need to dump Odom now, since who knows if he can be got rid of should the team wait and see how his emotional state goes and then the same remains bad. Problem is, Dallas had a very specific reason picking up Lamar, to wit, his only guaranteed year is this year, since next year he can be bought for some number under 3 million. And Mitch spoke to flexibility, and so, yes, Mitch, you just gave Dallas flexibility, since they add an above average player who can do a multitude of things, and all over the floor, and they can keep him next year if they want (exercise the option) or they can not do so in order to clear cap space should it seem likely that they can pick up a DWill, etc. (exercise the buyout.). Forgive me, Mitch, but I thought the whole point of having Lamar’s contract the way that it is, was so that the Lakers could be on the receiving end of the flexibility of the exercise the option/exercise the buyout for under 3 mil.
Next, what with Howard saying that he loves Orlando itself, but not so happy with the team’s moves, well, didn’t Kobe say the same thing not all that long ago? Where is Kobe now? So a good possibility that Howard stays where he is. And one possibility is that he gives the new regime in Orlando the chance to make good moves, they don’t, and he becomes a free agent at season’s end. Guess who can buyout Lamar and have the cap space to do a sign and trade with Orlando for Howard? Someone will have to check whether they might have the cap space to take on both Howard and DWill (either outright or in addition to buying out Lamar, disposing of some soon to be expiring contract(s)).
Lastly, what with nearly everyone in the West regressing but OKC, seemed to me that with the roster in place not so long ago, the team would have only had to get past OKC to get back to the Finals, and unless the Heat add a Billups or some such, well, Kobe on Wade and so less reason to worry over Fish/Blake on D. Let me put it this way, in terms of last season’s champs, no more Chandler and so no real ability for them to play a pack the post defense as they wouldn’t have the talent to do so. So they weren’t to be feared.
For yet one more, as I said in that other thread, I, for one, will never forget Lamar’s back to back 3s in that clinching game against the Magic, nor Lamar leading the comeback against the Celts in game 7.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 12, 2011 3:16 PM PST reply actions
o.o
let me read it now…
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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ok that was a nice read
I’ll give you that and i really don’t think we have to worry about Mitch. We’ll be fine.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
May be a nice read but I screwed up with my main point. What I had wanted to say was that Dallas doesn’t want Lamar so much as flexibility, i.e., they weren’t going to sign anybody that they couldn’t clear off the roster at the end of the year if need be, so as to have cap space for DWill, whoever. So I have hard time believing that there was some great need to dump Lamar onto Dallas immediately. Who else is available that would be willing to sign on for one year and use up enough of the Chandler trade exception so that the Mavs wouldn’t be able to take Lamar later on? Everyone in the league can see that they have no worthy C. In other words, everyone knows just how valuable Chandler was for them. And Butler left, and Barrea and Stephenson are likely going out as well. And all of the other guys are just that much older.
And that reminds me, this whole talk of Bynum playing more minutes, well, is that true? Recall the condensed schedule. This is the season to have the deepest roster possible. And so I don’t buy the lie that in Brown’s new scheme, less of role for Lamar, since with playing 6 games in 8 days, there’s gonna be playing time for many.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
honestly, i felt WAY more pessimistic when shaq got traded, kobe wanted to be traded, when we gave away caron for kwame, etc, etc.
i’m going to trust that experience has only made mitch WISER, not forgetful.
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CP3, Chauncey B….maybe if the Clippers’ PA announcer says it really fast the fans won’t notice the difference.
Lmao
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Huh?
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i saw that and chose to not reply lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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I love him because when I look at who he is, when I look at what he does, I see myself.
lol
LO would be missed, particularly when we have no one to guard him or Nowitski next year
Wow
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
huh?
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
That is cool that he puts himself out like that.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Hahahahaha
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like the Clippers did us and the rest of the league a solid
SpearsNBAYahoo: Addition of C Billups and C Butler to Clippers huge. But disappointing for CB initially as source close to him says he wanted to join Heat.
i think the bulls blog said it the best
when they said that they contracted VDN
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they’re looking like they might make the playoffs this year….
Billups, Gordon, Butler, Griffin, Jordan
that is if Billups doesn't retire lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
breach of contract to not show up
he ain’t gonna get paid unless he shows up
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Oh thank you so much, Clippers.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
idk about that mane
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WILLIAMS
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Heh...who can we get now to upgrade our PG?
DEREK FISHER!! Woohoo….but seriously
Billups? Out. CP3? Out. Baron Davis (back problems…so no thank you)? Out.
Looks like we’re going in with Fisher/Blake again…oh dear
Go Sharks!
I would have at least liked to see JJ Barrea come back our way on the LO deal…. I dont know wtf Mitch is doing
Yep. Barrea's gone too as is Bibby
Who we gonna go for – Arenas? LOL
I see the trade route, but we’re not getting D. Williams, Rondo, or Rose, so…who is reasonably good enough to build the back court around for the time after Kobe leaves?
Go Sharks!
It should be...it gives LA more mobility that Fish lacks and helps take the pressure of Kobe
Go Sharks!
Well they gave away Odom
So there’s a major trade piece gone. Unless they’re willing to give up Bynum (and I’m dead set against that for anyone not named Howard), I don’t see how it can get done. Especially with Stern in the way.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
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Make a play for Luke Ridnour, as Minny inexplicably signed Barea and Ridnour is now superfluous.
Can take him back with the Sasha TPE and maybe a second rounder or something.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I wouldn't mind that at all...
Ridenour is a little underrated if you ask me. Probably the best player you could get with the Vujacic TPE.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 12, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
Much better facilitator than anyone we have.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
No, they're not.
15 PER, 56.7 TS%, 44.0 3P%, better P&R operator and shooter in general. Ridnour is a great backup and a relatively solid fifth starter.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
DARIUS MORRIS!
Why can’t anyone pay attention to this guy?
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
he can do anything better than fisher or blake
faster, taller, more athletic, better passer and better defender. Shooting is the least we can expect for a PG.
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Pump the brakes,
hasn’t even set foot in an NBA game yet. Let’s see how he’s progressed since he was drafted.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Even not playing in the NBA yet, I think he is better than fisher and blake, lol
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
More athletic than both by far for sure,
so it does give hope. But I’m not ready to bank our future on it.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Wait, what?
Dude’s a late second round pick. We’d be lucky if he even got close to Blake or Fisher.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
He was going to be a first round pick for sure if he stayed in Michigan
Bad decision for him to go to the draft earlier.
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by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
shooting is important
if he’s going to play with kobe, he needs to learn to play off the ball once in a while. if he can’t catch and shoot and not particularly atheletic enough to cut, he’ll be useless w/o the ball in his hands (which may be often if kobe’s around)
and while he’s younger and faster than fisher (doesn’t take much), still not a great defender. it doesn’t matter if he’s faster than fisher, since the end result is that they’ll be beat anyways. But at least fisher has a veteran savvy (ie. ability to flop).
He can't shoot the 3
He can shoot the mid-range J, I think. In Michigan he was a good defender, we’ll see how that translates to the NBA. I still think he should get several minutes per game.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Like someone (can't remember who) said the other day
The Lakers put themselves in that position. Yea, Fisher is in all likelihood going to be the starting point guard again at this point. Just surround him with great players and make sure that his role on offense is limited to spot up threes only. And then watch him as he defies all odds and takes over in the playoffs again!!!
If the other 4 starters are Kobe/MWP/Pau/Howard (hopefully), then honestly I can deal with Derek Fisher for another year.
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Patiently Optimistic
The Laker Front Office has a track record of being sneaky quiet in dealing with trades and signings. Making public Odom’s request for the trade – even though Odom was almost certain to be traded anyways – was a smoke screen. I fully expect Mitch to use Odom’s TE to improve the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get the Howard trade.
Yes, Howard said he wanted to play with D-Will in Brooklyn. And yes, Howard said he might stay in ORL if the right moves are made. But behind closed doors, I bet $10,000 that he is still demanding a trade, and if it were to the Lakers, he would be thrilled.
Let’s wait and see what Mitch has up his sleeve. But if nothing happens today, I’m gonna…
I wouldnt be suprised if our opening day starting lineup was
fisher kobe walton caracter gasol
its gonna be a fun season….
Why would you blame Stern for the starting lineup? That's Mike Brown's call.
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Tweetness
Bynum asked to be traded too?
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Suspension.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
oh yeah...
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
Call it a hunch, but I'm pretty sure we'd be starting MWP over Walton.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
But Stern said Walton
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
So MWP and Barnes are going to miraculously disappear?
And you’re going to assume we don’t sign any other frontcourt players?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Exactly
I’m not sure if I’m in the minority here but I don’t think the Lakers need to make drastic moves to improve. I agree that the LO trade was a step in the wrong direction in terms of what the team needed. The Lakers didn’t and still don’t to overhaul their core or their main talent. If anything, what needed a complete overhaul are the role players. But none of the starters except for Fisher even need to be touched. Personally, I think that since they traded LO they could have used him to gain one or two young athletic players and be done with it.
The Lakers have already showed what they can do to Dwight Howard in the Finals so he can go wherever he wants.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
This is such a great post.
Personally, I stopped trying to get attached to Lakers players. Especially after Shaq got traded and when Kobe asked to be traded. If you think about it, this situation was very similar. Shaq requested to be traded because his ego couldn’t take it that Mitch said he would entertain offers for Shaq. That one hurt because I was pissed that Shaq I thought, was more loyal to the city of LA. If LO would have slept on it he would still be a Laker. You never make business or career decisions based on emotions. But that is easier said than done. Just think of how much easier it would have been for the Lakers to say yes to a Pau and Bynum for Howard trade if Pau had acted bitter? LO will always be missed but I’m over it. He got what he wanted and if this was Kobe who was whining like he did in the past I would feel the same way.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
by Jelly Bean on Dec 12, 2011 3:49 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
lol @ SWAGBRO
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Very true.
But I really like how Pau and even Bynum are being very professional about all of this.
Go Sharks!
Yup so do I. And I don't blame LO for being mad or emotional because I would have felt the same
But from a fan’s stand point, I just shrug it off. Seriously, when Shaq was traded I didn’t watch anything sports related for a while. But you have to think about this in one way as far as a fan, no one player or players is bigger than the team. I love LO but I love the Lakers’ and their winning tradition even more and if it makes them better in the long run by not keeping a player who doesn’t want to be here then so be it. peace out! laterz!!
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
pretty much.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
we've been in tighter spots than this.
i felt way worse/pessimistic when we gave (seemingly) away caron, traded shaq and when kobe demanded a trade. things have always worked themselves out.
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
What you typed is EXACTLY
how I feel about it right now. great freakin attitude to have.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
LOL, that's one of my favorite LO GIFs.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
it sucks that I could find the one with the actual dunk. That shit was sick.
My gf was so pissed that I yelled and screamed.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
*couldn't
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
luke walton dunked on mello
on mello’s birthday game 6 wcf
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ESPN has an article titled top free agents with a pic...why is rip hamilton on it
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1212/nba_g_arenas-nene-hamilton01jr_tripanel_576.jpg
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Waived by the Pistons, although he's on a one-way route to Chicago.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
shit! He would have been a nice addition for the Lakers.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Considered top free agents?
Thats sad
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
I guess but ESPN is only allowing ESPN Insiders to view the list only
I fuckin loathe them for that.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Billups to clippers…so now watvr our options? R we really going into the seasonbw fisher as our starting pg?
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by chaucer on Dec 12, 2011 4:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
CHAUNCY BILLUPS TO THE CLIPPERS?!
I just found out about this now.
That’s crazy. I guess they gave up on trying to get Paul.
So the Clips now have Eric Gordon, Billups, and David West surrounding Blake? Are the Clippers laughing all the way to an 8th seed?
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
He did,
probably mean Caron Butler.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Most likely
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A.J. Burnett's only fan!
NBA news by my new bff..
Adrian Wojnarowski The Clippers matched Golden State’s 4 year, $43M-plus offer sheet that includes a trade kicker, source tells Y! Sports.
The Clippers have matched Golden State’s offer sheet for DeAndre Jordan, league source tells Y! Sports.
Those Billups warnings to Y! Saturday? NBA sent letter to agent Andy Miller warning him CB had better behave if claimed by team, source says
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Is "CB" referring to stern and calling him a C.....
never mind. I don’t want to get banned for being vulgar. Just trying to be funny.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
CB = Chauncey Billups
And the league’s trying to warn his agent to keep his client in check.
I’m probably misunderstanding a joke here though, so disregard this if that’s the case, lol.
Who is still available that LAL can sign (relatively cheaply) as a backup PF/C?
I was hoping for Jeff Foster (returned to Indiana) or Aaron Grey (just heard he went to Toronto.) Who are the good, durable, cheap options still left?
I am!
6’1", tougher than I look. Pick me, for basketball reasons!
lol
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
based on a quick gander...
Jason Smith (RFA), Troy Murphy and Tony Battie are still out there. As for backup guards, there’s still Delonte West. Although I’d love to give Rashad McCants a shot. Belinelli would be an interesting candidate to use as a back up at the 2 or the 3.
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
battie was re-signed
god knows why, he is the worst rated active player in 2k12
well, since he was re-signed this discussion is moot, but isn't he still a "quality" defender? or am i still thinking like it's 2008?
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
Isn't NO re-signing Belinelli?
I’d love to have him, but I’m so wary of any transactions with that front office
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 12, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I can't fault Odom for demanding a trade
Since the Lakers tried to trade him with Gasol, maybe he decided he wasn’t needed or wanted by the front office anymore.
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
gasol didn't feel like he wasn't wanted, at least not publically
he should be more offended that NBA doesn’t want him and thinks he’s too old…
That is an awesome avatar. YOu inspired me to change mine.
Im going to look for a much cooler one later.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
zzz
RicBucher Ric Bucher
League already has spoken to various potential buyers. You don’t think they know how team is valued w/ and w/out CP3 among those groups?
wow.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Would actually like this if you ask me.
New owners = infinitely higher chance a CP3 deal will happen. We won’t have Odom to wheel around anymore though, but meh, not like anyone’s buying the Hornets right now anyway.
but when is that going to happen?
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Lol, maybe Buss will buy the NOH
…Or maybe the whole city of L.A. can pitch in a dollar each, idk. But yeah, it’s not gonna happen anytime soon.
I'd be pretty shocked
if this is what killed the new CP3 deal
HowardBeckNYT: To clarify, Clips drew the line at Bledsoe, as one piece too many. It wasn’t that Bledsoe was deemed untouchable.
i'm pretty sure he meant to say EJ lol
or at least i hope he did
sigh....
Have a feeling this rosters going to be the 2012 Lakers, with a few tweaks here and there. Don’t get me wrong its a good team but last years was better and we all saw what happened in the playoffs, and now there’s also the equation of a new coach and new system. By Lakers standards we can be in for a long year and short post season again.
by Ador08 on Dec 12, 2011 4:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
david stern must want albert pujols and cj wilson to be included in these deals
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Marc Gasol's gonna stay in Memphis.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
it's a shame
that we lost Odom. He was arguably the most consistent Laker last year. And as Kobe said, he played is ass off.
I feel that while I’m sure he didn’t appreciate getting traded, the fact that he was told “Oh, nvm. jk. report back to camp” made things a little worse. Thanks, Stern.
I’m sure Cuban is laughing maniacally.
Oh well, let’s hope Kobe’s rebuilt legs will take us further than we got last season.
@ESPNSteinLine
Just filed w/@Chris_Broussard: Sources close to talks tell ESPN there is renewed momentum to seal @CP3 trade to Clippers as soon as Tueday
I don’t know what to think anymore.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
basketball reasons
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The only hopeful sign was in the ocregister.com article where Mitch said they’re working on something big. His disclaimer was that Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe would remain in LA. So his gears are spinning.
Tornadoes suck.
Soooo
Paul/…/Butler/Blake Griffin/D. Jordan, with no bench. And no SG, who’s going to be the SG? Willie Green?
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Billups 6th man...
Shiiit.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
LOL
So Billups will be a backup on a borderline playoff team… He must not be happy.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Oh he won't be happy,
but it’s dangerous if they can motivate him.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Will Mo be amnestied if they actually manage to get CP3?
If he is I wouldn’t mind the Lakers taking a shot on him- he probably won’t be available but I can hope.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Probably,
and same. Either that or Billups is trade bait to a contender, in which they can get a decent SG to replace Gordon. That would be the smarter choice IMO.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
That would be smarter
Seeing as the chance they are able to motivate Chauncey probably isn’t too high. He’s still a good player though and they should be able to get something for him.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Yup,
teams like us and the Heat need a guy like that. We don’t have the SG to give them in return, so I doubt either of us do it. Someone else who needs a PG probably will though.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
They can't trade Billups until July 1st
I believe I read somewhere that players picked up via amnesty can’t be traded until July 1st. It prevents teams from signing a player solely to trade him later in the year.
by Actuarially Sound on Dec 12, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ohh.
Well, Mo is amnestied then lol.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
you are correct
the league informed chauncey he will reach a breach of contract if he doesn’t report
I blame David Stern
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Wow,
that sucks. Someone said earlier that giving up Bledsoe was one too many. Well, not with Billups around. It might happen this time.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I'll tell you what to think
BASKETBALL REASONS!
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I guess he's going to be on the Clippers huh
>_>
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"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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I guess he's going to be on the Clippers huh
>_>
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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You can say that again.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
i dont think this can get any worse
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Delonte West has agreed to terms with the Mavs.
Reggie Williams should be Kobe’s backup. Make it happen,Mitch.
by E-ROC on Dec 12, 2011 5:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I could deal with that
Who’s his backup now? Anyone?
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Jasoooooooooooooooooon Kapooooonoooo
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Completely forgot the Lakers signed him in the midst of this Stern-induced Shitstorm
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It's Kapono or the rookie, Goudelock
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what Mr. Cuban is up to.
The Mavs just picked up Vince Carter and Delonte West
A hotdog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz -- Humphrey Bogart
The Laker Haters
are having a field day. Thanks, FrankenStern.
Tornadoes suck.
by st0rmchaser on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
'Sup Laker fans.
I’m looking forward to a new, fiercer Hallway Series! Let’s make this the best damn rivalry in the NBA.
I know I hate on the Lakers sometimes (what can I say, I’m a Clipper fan, it’s part of the job description), but in all seriousness, best of luck, and I’d love to have a playoff Hallway Series if both teams get there.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
How does one become a Clippers fan?
Was it before the Lakers moved here?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I naturally root for the underdog...
and I’ve just never liked the Lakers.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Why would anybody root for the underdogs?
That’s like rooting on yourself to fail a test.
---
Revenge is ice cream.
LOL
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
nah, it's like rooting for the kid who always gets Fs to get a D instead
low expectations would make low results look brighter :D
I was thinking more along the lines of a MMA fighter pissing hot
And getting busted for weed instead of ’roids.
---
Revenge is ice cream.
I thought it was renewed last year with the close game
but until another trade happens, seems like it’ll be the same team
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
It won't be the same team.
Chauncey Billups and Caron Butler alone make us better than last year’s squad. Adding Chris Paul to that would make us a title contender.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I'm gonna be so sad everytime we play dallas
….*Sigh. I wish you the best LO. Except when you play us of course
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I'm gonna be sad when we play the Clippers next week
and they have CP3…
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Have faith, we may get someone good by end of this week
Asked specifically about hope of getting Paul still with him not having moved to the Clippers or anywhere else, Kupchak answered: "There’s several big deals out there that we’re still pursuing." He also said they weren’t limited to "the two" that people are thinking about, meaning Paul and Dwight Howard.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I know LO's had some hard times.
But yeah, he has made $100 million O o.
That being said, he’s been one of my favorite Lakers. I wish him well.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Ooo burn much?
Overall, Kupchak’s search for the next move is rooted in getting "a team that can be better than the team that got beat in the second round." He said the decision to move Odom was tied into the fact that the Lakers failed last season, so "it’s not like we were breaking up a championship team".
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Great stuff hahah
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
LOL
I love the attitude of these reporters, about 30 seconds in, when Kobe asks him, “Do you know more about basketball than I do?”
And the reporters says, “We can argue that, you can play better than me”. Something along those lines. Kobe just rolls his eyes :P
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Haha wow who the hell does this guy think he is?
Kobe is known to be a student of the game. Of it’s history and its present.
Bamboozled.
I don't know how Kobe deals with idiots like that
everyday at practice, in the locker rooms before games, after games etc. Amazing
learned some Zen
can’t imagine who from though. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I love it when Kobe just shuts down idiot reporters.
Sadly, Griffin’s probably too nice to do that.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I think they know Kobe doesn't really like to talk to them
so they bait him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love for teams to assign someone to keep track of reporters
They get 1 dumb question a year, if they exceed that no more media pass
Acts like
Kobe is just an athlete that’s good at basketball. The man knows the sport like Peyton Manning knows football. What a tool reporter.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
it’s TJ Simers
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Saw that.
Should’ve known…
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
LOL
“Aren’t I just a slice of Heaven right now?”
always Mamba, always
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
That was my favourite part too!! lol
I missed Kobe during the lockout :)
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 12, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, it is DFish who should have requested a trade...
since a trade for CP3 is a lack of confidence in the guards, not in the forwards. If we had good guards none of this would have been necessary.
Too bad LO couldn’t see this.
Sucks to see LO gone freaking Lakers but in the end
His deal better make Lakers better
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Dec 12, 2011 6:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Meh after Stern and Gilberts BS
Until Mitch makes a move or the season starts I’ll be pretty indifferent about the NBA. I honestly couldn’t care less about these other moves unless the Lakers are involved.
Odom had more of a right to be pissed off though (than Gasol)
He took less money to resign with the Lakers; they leveraged his love of the Lakers to get a better business deal.
He took less money, and he even agreed to a contract where his last year was only partially guaranteed.
He made the personal monetary sacrifices so that the Lakers could stay together and keep playing, only to find out that his sacrifices didn’t matter to the team as soon as CP3 was available.
For an emotional guy, this wasn’t just about being disrespected or unwanted. He made a sacrifice out of love to keep this team together, and the Lakers didn’t value his investment in the team.
He wasn’t just unwanted, he was betrayed.
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 12, 2011 7:11 PM PST reply actions
Odom made the monetary sacrifices for himself.
He wanted to stay in LA, a place where he’s called home for the majority of his career, and maintain a family. If the Lakers leveraged this desire for a better business deal, so be it. The NBA is a business.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
he does have a right to be upset, but it's something he should've known when he signed the contract
he’s been in the league long enough to know that and should’ve taken more time to cool down and think things over (though the ultimate result may still be the same, as I believe Mitch was going to trade him to Dallas regardless of his request—his emotional demands just made it easier for Mitch to pull the trigger)
Found the guy who trolled Kobe in that video E-ROC posted
Reading it kinda pissed me off, so read with caution
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
oh shit, TJ Simers
I should have known.
Simers is a message board troll in the form of something that passes itself off as human.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I remember when I had to read simers
to get relevant Lakers information
that was back when the LA Times blog was the only good blog community, and a fellow by the name of Mike T championed Kwame Brown as better than Andrew Bynum… even after the Gasol trade
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 12, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
This guy is a GRADE A+++++
CLASSIC TURD!!!! how is fish not likeable S#!T we don’t like him as a starter but damn
it’s TJ Simers, it’s what he does
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
The moron twisted Kobe's words
What a snake and I’m not talking about Kobe.
So lets see about getting CP3
Assuming that the Dallas pick and the Rockets pics get included in the deal…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7oh68yh
the problem with the last deal was that NO was taking back too much salary right? this way they only take on 1 big contract in Kevin Martin (and it’s only for 2 years)
everything else is young players and picks (I’d have included Ebanks too, but him and Ariza on the same team would have caused too many problems for the universe to handle… for basketball reasons of course)
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 12, 2011 7:34 PM PST reply actions
Might be too late
Aminu/Kaman/Bledsoe/2012 first round pick is just TOO good an offer to pass up
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Also
We’d be shedding salary, I don’t want DG to go all comic sans on us because we aren’t paying his bills
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Should've put it this way
TOO good an offer to pass up
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I know it has
I just wanted to find one that worked for basketball reasons.
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 12, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
i agree that the potential is there
and that its a good trade for them,but i dont think the hornets will be a playoff team this year or next
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yea it's basically done
Clips have him now.
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OMG when will it end!!
NBA is resuming yet again talks of trading CP3 by baiting the dumb monkeys known as the Clippers after they just got Billups all i have to say is Really ……Really…..Really
i remember when chris paul was a laker
basketball reasons can strike at any time no matter what
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you mean for like 2 hours ? lol
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"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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it was a good hour
i’ll always look back on that hour fondly
by c.lobster on Dec 12, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
good times good times
when you knew the reasoning behind the game of basketball then the term Basketball Reasons came and it became stupidity
i'm a knicks fan...
but i joined this blog just so i could say how much i appreciate the sentiment of this post. lamar was a great laker, and even from across the country, it pains me to see him leave your team. i love the game of basketball, and lamar was one of the most intriguing players in the game while he was wearing the purple and gold.
also, as a fan of a team that has been through wayyyyyy more than its fair share of illogical transactions over the past few years…well, the past decade…i understand how you guys feel about this.
then again, you’re probably going to get chris paul or dwight howard or something, and you’ve won something like 7 championships since i was born, so i don’t feel THAT bad for you guys :)
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 7:59 PM PST reply actions
hehey welcome knickebocker. thanks for bearing it with laker nation
we also want to see the knicks franchise reclaim lost glory
yeah, let's relive the early 1970's!
trading championships and what not.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
well with a couple of pieces more we can do the dance
what you think of chandler signing?
at this point, i definitely like the chandler signing
and there’s still a chance of adding someone like baron or crawford.
but with the knicks’ recent history, i won’t really start celebrating until we either:
1. knock both miami and boston out of the playoffs, or even better:
2. win the whole thing
i’m not gonna count my chickens before they hatch, since most of our eggs have been pretty rotten over the last 10 years.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Beat Boston!
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LOL, thanks for stopping by.
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haha, thanks for that
but unfortunately, i have to say that you guys couldn’t even begin to understand the pain our fan base has been through…after all, qyntel woods was never your starting small forward!
jokes! kind of…
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
for a time we had smush, cook and brown
how low can you go?
it pains me to think of it, but
PG: Frank Williams
SG: Allan Houston, POST knee surgery + 2nd biggest contract in the league (ugh)
SF: Keith Van Horn, POST any signs of life
PF: Kurt Thomas, our 2nd best starter…
Annnnd
C: Eddy Curry
so yeah…
but I do think you guys will be pleasantly surprised in some way over the next couple weeks.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
actually wait
it was an aging dikembe at that point, not a young, still somewhat productive eddy. but does that make it better really?
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Nicely done
Nobody can tell you how to feel about a situation, you just do.
Feeling betrayed is something I have never learned to live with and I can relate to LO.
Yes, LO, you will be missed.
Im so heartbroken over this
my favorite laker not because of his amazing talents but because of the person he was both on and off the court.
Aminu
Can someone explain the allure of Aminu to me. There was a similar player to him a couple of drafts ago….his name was Hakeem Warrick. All I see when I look at Aminu is a guy with a ton of athleticism but lacks the skills and iq to become something good to great. At best I see him as an Ariza lite or Warrick 2.0 but I don’t see any reason why he’s such a good or solid player according to all clipper fans.
by jlim4 on Dec 12, 2011 8:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There is a lot of upside.
Aminu won’t be a star player. He’s more of a glue guy. I think he’s good at everything but not great in one area. I think he’ll develop into a Battier type once he learns how to shoot. He’s only 21.
I dont think jordan will be a star either
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Dec 12, 2011 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
okay i can see that
its just that when i went to take a look on the Clips blog they talk about Aminu like he’s the next LO but he’ll be able to put it all together. I can see the potential as well but I doubt he improves enough as a shooter to be a consistent threat.
Deng is a bit better than battier was at his peak offensively though
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
He was. A lot of this is based on his ceiling.
I doubt he reaches it though unless he improves his shooting.
why didn’t lakers go after billups?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Oh, I see.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
at 1.3 million, seems like a bargain.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Sigh, he's gone and never coming back.
I said in the beginning to keep this team together, but nooooooooo
Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian
bynum was such a beast this game against dwight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nwSx2J5GsM
Follow me: @theshmoes.
LO had a good game too
Miss him already
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna miss you LO
Sure there were moments when I wanted to throw stuff at you for all the mental lapses, but at the end you are a true champion and I’m proud to call myself your fan.
I wish you success in Dallas*
*up to the WCF, and excluding any games vs. the Lakers
"I’ve never understood this stuff, where a star player sits out and a team goes into the tank. Well, they need him because he makes them better. Well, if he’s making them better, they should be able to survive without him. That’s how you lead your guys. You’ve got to be able to make guys suffice on their own, without you. If you’re there all the time and they take you away, they shouldn’t need a respirator."
-Kobe Bean Bryant
Plays for Mark Cuban, sooooo
I hope he enjoys Texas and makes friends but in terms of basketball I hope he doesn’t play so well this year.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
I hope he works the Lakers over every chance he gets. There's a reason teams dont usually make trades inside the conference
Da Bears....enuff said
That wasn't a trade.
Lakers just gave the Mavs an early Christmas present.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
true enough
I still hope he goes for a career high every Mavs Laker game…This same trade to an Eastern Conf team is still terrible but at least he’s not in the west and not to the team that just kicked our ass in the playoffs. Has any other team ever done that?
Da Bears....enuff said
No offense,
but you’re starting to sound like Lamar did after the trade fell through lol. No need to wish ill will on your favorite team over it.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 12, 2011 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
I didnt tell my favorite team to trade the 6th man of the year to the team that kicked our ass.
In Conference at that. For picks and a TE? lol So quite honestly they get what they deserve. NONE of our issues have even been touched thus far. Hell they’ve gotten worse by trading Odom.we still have garbage at the PG position and our bench is even weaker than it already was to begin with.
Da Bears....enuff said
Yup, Mitch has a history of doing nothing
in the past and even though he indicated that he’s still looking to make deals, it makes more sense that he will do nothing despite his history of doing otherwise. I understand your mad, but it sounds like your taking this personal, we have no idea what’s coming this year or the next, or what will happen in the course of this season, so lets watch and not jump to conclusions about whats gonna happen. That’s the one thing that everyone, including myself, should learn through this situation.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 12, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
eh Im not saying anything that hasnt been said by pretty much every sports outlet
You call a spade a spade. There’s a reason NOBODY on the team likes the deal and are criticizing it publicly. Not thru “sources” but publicly which tells me alot..We need a backup Center and PF not to mention an upgrade at PG aaaaaand SG. Those TE’s arent gonna fill all those spots regardless of how optimistic folks wanna be.
Da Bears....enuff said
Oh I agree,
but I’m still waiting before I completely criticize the FO. We do have some TEs and the mini MLE that could get us 3 solid bench players that would make us stronger overall than we were with Odom.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh lord
I really can’t wait for the season to start so we can see how uncomfortable Odom is outside of his cookie cutter role in the Lakers offense.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Dirk + the plethora of shooters they have....
and no triangle? Ima go out on a limb and say he should fit in quite nicely. Things should come even easier if you really think about it
Da Bears....enuff said
Spread the floor with shooters and let him work.. what 4 can guard him on the perimeter?
what 3 can guard him in the post? there was a reason he was such a matchup problem when we had him…That doesnt change just because he switchd teams lol Who do we have that can check him?
Da Bears....enuff said
Its gonna be real interesting to watch Pau
try to guard Odom… Hopefully he knows all his moves from practice. (just make him go right).
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Yeah, I shall
back to the only time Odom has played out of the triangle which was 5 years ago. he’s not a spot-up shooter and Dallas doesn’t run perimeter isos, sooo…
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
You adjust to what you have..
You actually think they wont run iso’s for him vs another 4? LOL seriously
Da Bears....enuff said
It's not that they won't
the system they run isn’t optimal for him to be running isos. and it’s not as functional since most of their isos come from Dirk in mid-range. I get that Odom was great and all at times, but you’re acting like he’s going to drop 30 on us in his sleep cuz he’s outside the triangle and Pau will be guarding him
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I didnt say he was absolutely going to drop 30
I said i HOPE he works them over every time they face each other.Whether or not he does it is up to him. It has more to do with trading him to who they did and for what they did than his greatness as a player/. If I were in his shoes i would try even harder to kill the Lakers every game just to prove a point. Like i said before, had they traded him to any team in the East it would still be a terrible deal but he’s in the East. Wish him the best and keep it moving/ That’s not the case so it is what it is
Da Bears....enuff said
I said you're acting like he will
not that you said he would. Like he’s capable, this is where our disagreement stems. I doubt it’ll matter either way. Dallas isn’t an optimal situation for his skillset
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
He didn't play in the triangle in Miami. He was a mediocre role player.
Same when he was with the Clippers. He came into his own here. What makes you think he’s gonna be so super in Dallas?
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Wow.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
they just cant let it go socalgal lol.
would they have acted the same if fisher would have demanded a trade?
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 13, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yes I would have actually...Luke too.
I understand though, it’s unacceptable for the majority of our fan base to get worked up over us trading our 6th man to the Mavs for NOTHING. I swear those guys need to get over it. Not like it’s a big deal or anything.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 13, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
It's a big deal,
but how can you not get over it? Whining about it 24/7 does absolutely nothing.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 13, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To me it does.
Then again I am a pretty sick and twisted person.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
We should have called Denver :(
They’re going to lose Nene most likely anyway, so why not do a sign and trade? They could’ve sent him to Houston and we send Pau also, Houston gives them K-Mart & Scola(replaces Kenyon & J.R.) and we throw in Ebanks. Then Denver sends Danillo Gallinari, Jordan Hamilton and their 1st round pick to NO along with Jordan Hill, Goran Dragic , and NY 1st round pick from Houston and we give them our 1st round pick. Then we get CP3 like last Thursday :’(
Denver: Martin,Scola,Ebanks
Houston: Nene, Gasol
New Orleans: Hamilton, Gallinari, Hill, Dragic, Den 1st 2012, NY 1st 2012, LAL 1st 2012
Los Angeles: Chris Paul
by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 12, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't look like the Chris Paul thing is happening. Or Dwight Howard.
Mitch should focus his attention on grabbing some role players in free agency.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
WHY THE HELL DIDNT YOU CALL MITCH
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Here's to hoping he reads this site.
See’s your trade and is on the phone with Denver right now!!
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Any Linux users here?
Stupid question, but how do I create a new Wineprefix? Feeling some Skyrim
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
this made me feel a lil better
http://www.nba.com/lakers/video/2011/12/12/111212practicekobebryant-1933157/index.html
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
Dead again....
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even the Walking Dead doesn’t have this many dead things flying around
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by deadmuse on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
this makes me happy. i couldnt have handled having cp3 next door. plus playing us 4 times a year (in a normal season).
i still have an unhealthy optimism that things will go quiet for a while and then david stern will – for some reason, to save face maybe – officially give authority to demps, and the og trade will be back on.
Did Chris Paul and Billy Hunter or whoever
ever take legal action against the league yesterday?
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
darn the clippers do look good
billups/gordon/butler/griffin/kaman with jordan/aminu/bledsoe off the bench. my goodness that could even reach bottom playoff seeding with den out of the picture.
mitch cmon now. are clipps amnestying mo williams? am sure he’d love to be with coach brown again. we need something done.
mo williams/morris/fisher (traded blake for tpe hehee)
kobe/sasha tpe wing/goudelock
mwp/barnes/kapono/ebanks (amnesty walton)
pau/tpe 6th man (millsap please)/caracter
bynum/mle big
even our former roster looks dated to these guys. but am getting ahead of myself.
no mo needed here
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
that's why am a tat in favor of sending pau to mem or hou
gets us a point guard. i also wish morris gets burn. i think he is a steal.
oooh ye of little faith
sigh
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
GM West >>>>gm kupchak.
And its not even close
Da Bears....enuff said
by EmmCeee on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
so.....
basically this season is gonna be everybody drooling over the Heat…yayyyy :(
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
yeahp maybe the start of that count. doubt they go beyond 3 chips though
not to say we’re mailing this season coz i hope as sure as the sun rises that mitch has “2 major moves” in his pocket before 25. one of them could be and has to be disposing our 2 tpes. excited to see what we can get for that. ideas?
any idea
how long those TPEs last? mainly the sasha one, as that’s from a while ago…
The Sasha TPE is supposed to expire the 15th I believe
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 13, 2011 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
hmm
so you’d presume some kind of deal is coming in the next couple of days. fingers crossed.
Saw this coming
Lamar’s overreaction to the trade news is classic Lamar Odom. I think it is a reflection of Lamar’s approach to the game his whole career: something short of professional.
I say good riddance. If you really loved LA and this town you would take the news in stride and continue to play hard and be thankful for the opportunity to get paid millions of dollars to be a Laker. Who knows. Maybe if you play well enough and the Lakers go 10-0 they forget about trading you.
What the hell justifies a reaction like the one he had? His years spent in a Laker uniform? It certainly wasn’t his amazing play (unless one season a career doth erase).
Pau Gasol did a much better job handling this news. Lamar has been a Laker for only what…three or four more seasons than Pau? Really? That justifies this kind of reaction?
After that he had to go. There’s no other way around it. Now we just have to pray that Mitch can find a way to salvage this season.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
The point some people who like this trade don’t get is that we basically got nothing for the 6th man of the year and also we gave him to a rival who lost a key player in Chandler. Basketball is not always about stats, it’s chemistry and that’s also what LA lost. If they stay pact ….wait till Bynum gets hurt and then knock Odom. Fans lie about how they wish players had more character but what they really want is ego manics like Kobe who are winners at all cost. LO was a guy who played back up singer to make everyone else look good . He could of gotten more money a few years back and because he ain’t Magic, some act like he was a complete failure. I’ll miss this kid a lot and so will there bench, not a lot of borderline all stars willing to come off the bench in The NBA and getting Howard ain’t better then two 7 footers remember the 09 finals. I feel like we had a good shot at the title with Dallas losing Chandler and the Heat playing with midgets but now we’re just a shell shocked team in limbo….. peace to the candyman.
i assume you're responding to me
Odom refused to play, what option did the Lakers have but to trade him to the Mavs for a trade exception?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I would have loved it if Odom stayed
but he didn’t want to, and for that I say good riddance.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
you must have reading comprehension skill issues
But if you can’t discern from my post that I am a Laker fan you can always check my profile link where you will find over 5000 comments on this blog and 20+ fanposts.
The Lakers are not better without Lamar and I never said they were. My point was that they didn’t have a choice to trade him given the situation he put them in (either he was just refusing to play or he requested a trade…same thing I guess). Some people are expressing sympathy for Lamar. I did when I first heard the trade deal was going down and Lamar did an interview on 710 where he sounded very sad.
But he said “Let’s wait till it happens.” It didn’t happen. Lamar didn’t bother waiting though (he was lying), he was already gone just with the mere mention of his name in trade talks. I think it’s flat out unprofessional and disrespectful to Laker fans to have such a reaction. For this reason, I say good riddance.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
they fired him first, the guy was hurt even though he makes millions..i still think he has that right and the Lakers didn’t fine him so if they ain’t complaining why are you
Lamar definitely has the right to be a primadonna if he wants to
and I have the right to express my disgust over that kind of stuff as a fan.
And I actually don’t think that a player has a “right” to refuse to play when a team expresses their desire to trade him but fails to do so. Players are on the chopping block all the time and they play through it because they are professionals. Lamar’s reaction to this is a new experience for me, something I’ve never seen before.
Do you feel the same way for Pau Gasol right now? You probably feel worse for Lamar but keep in mind the only difference between them is one of them decided that they were going to get so offended by the incident that they wouldn’t be able to play again.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I know where you ‘re coming from but that team was a defensive guard away from another title( what it’s all about) and now we are worst and that’s annoying know how they played last time there were embarrassed. I’m just concurring with what Kobe and D-Fish said. I think he could have been reined in but they known they were still trying to trade him. They certainly rained in Kobe in 04 when he said he wouldn’t play for them again and I know Kobe is way better. I just think LO was, is a good guy and I’ll(me) remember him for that(2 titles) and not two days of practices…." you’re taking about practice" from the famous Iverson quote…. lol and I’ll let your reading comp dis slide cause I’m a big boy now.
LO was a "piece" for the 2 titles...
but if you look at the whole picture, it was pau gasol who helped put the lakers where they were at. if LO, was ’all world" like some here are painting him, then why couldnt he ( odom) help the lakers win it all when pau wasnt around? shitty team yes, (kwame/parker), and from what i understand is, 7 yrs with the lakers, and LAST yr, was his BEST yr as a professional? hence the up and down career of lamar odom.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 13, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
Losing Pau
is definitely far more devastating than losing LO.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
yo david stern
can we please get chris paul now,i mean come on
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yeah!
I mean, come on!
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 13, 2011 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
The NBA is trying to make money on the Hornets or at least not lose too much, that’s why they killed the deal and make the team a better sell to buyers.
does anybody in this room want to buy the hornets?
anybody? even with cp3 do u want to buy them? 300 million is all we are asking.
team has been on the market for over a year,best thing to do would be to burn it with fire
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we should collect $5 from everybody in the city of LA,
and the buy the Hornets. The city of LA then votes on which trades we want approved, lol.
Chris Paul for Luke Walton and Steve Blake? Anyone disapprove? k, good.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
great article
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7347354/lingering-questions-chris-paul-dwight-howard-trade-talks
i say the lakers cant put there head down yet and go for both,maybe even wait to acquire both at the trading deadline
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lo
Mark Cuban is laughing his butt off tonight. He got Lamar Odem & the Lakers got zero. Kobe is right & now Odem is going to be inspired to beat the Lakers more than anything. Hey so if Kobe gets mad & demands a trade anytime soon just trade him the first day right away & forget about it. Stupid. Give the man time to calm down. Stupid stupid trade. Great trade for the Mavs though. Dallas is laughing at LA big time over this one.
Wow, Kerr teed off on Stern today. Good stuff.
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33846268
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
by Ben R on Dec 13, 2011 2:43 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Good to see that (former) executives in the business are exposing Dan Gilbert for what he is
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
ok, genuine question
who would you rather this season at PG. Current Derek Fisher, or 05-06 Smush Parker?
Ok now that we know the deal is off again
can we swoop in and get Chris Paul… Please
oh and on the way pass by Orlando and smack Otis until he trades Howard to us.
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"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Is it just me?
Or does almost every major trade/signing seem to be waiting on the CP3 disaster and D12 to make up his mind….. News seems awfully slow for how little time all the teams have. I’m pretty sure NO and Denver have like 6 guys on their roster.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
yes yes they do.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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LO
Is about to be on the Dan Patrick show
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 13, 2011 7:59 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
wish i was by a tv right now....
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
AM 570
If you have a radio
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 13, 2011 8:09 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hey, but now there's Gerald Green...
So there’s that
Before the 2009 season, many people were calling for LO to be traded because he sucked in the '08 Finals against the Celtics.
In fact, they were willing to give Andrew Bynum, who didn’t even play, more leeway than they gave Lamar. But he didn’t get traded and he came up big in the ‘09 Finals, so much so that his re-signing was made the focal point, a “must do”, of the ’09 off-season and Mitch was heralded as a genius. Fast forward to last season, where his play, aided no doubt by his World Games experience and leadership, was exemplary, particularly for Lamar, known for being a bit out there at the worst time. He had a great season and we were all happy, but now he’s being called the key to our past two championships, which I think is patently untrue. The key was Pau Gasol, not Lamar Odom. As good and as versatile as LO is, it wasn’t his play that made the league say “Oh shit!”.
It was the trade for Pau Gasol that sent Jason Kidd to Dallas. It was the trade for Pau Gasol that sent Shaq to Phoenix. It was the trade for Pau Gasol that had Greg Popovich shitting bricks and fuming that the league needed to review the trade for impropriety. Not Lamar Odom. Pau Gasol.
Pau has shown up to camp every day, and been as positive as anyone could be in a situation like this. LO decided to go when things didn’t go his way, and to make things right for the players WHO SHOWED UP TO CAMP AND WANTED TO PLAY, Mitch did the right thing and cut his losses. We can disagree with the team he traded LO to (I personally hate the Mavericks), and we can disagree with what he got in return. But the bottom line is that he could not have a disgruntled Lamar in his locker room with everything else going on this season. This was about more than Lamar’s feelings and his feeling “disrespected”. This was about everyone else on the team and how they needed to feel respected. Remember how things were in Denver with Melo’s drama last season. Those guys couldn’t settle down until he was gone. Locker rooms are special places and they need to be calm. LO is not a troublemaker by any stretch of the imagination, but it was not going to be a calm place until he left.
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by SoCalGal on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Assuming he would have been a bad locker room influence if he stayed here like you said...
Would you at least agree that we could have made a better deal for him?
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 13, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
went from Brown to Green
i hope Gerald found a good jumper in China
wish LO's tenure didn't have to end like this
He should have carried himself with a little more professionalism like Pau did when talks died, while Mitch shouldn’t have pulled the trigger so quickly. He could have given LO a few more days/weeks to cool off or waited until LO actually became problematic. Silly to assume there would be no chance of him getting over it.
but whatever, it is what it is. Best of luck to him in Dallas.
Please
You’re making it sound like he’s falling from heaven or something by leaving the Lakers, like he could only be happy as a member of the Lakers, the only sparkling-shiny team that deserves a man of Lamar’s caliber. Ugh. I get that you like Odom, even that he fit a fantastic role here. I’ll readily admit that he was one of the pieces of the Lakers that’s annoyed the Jazz the most. But come on, this is really arrogant, whether you mean for it to be or not.
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Yeah,
a guy paying his respects to his favorite Laker is arrogant. Why are you here?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously,
did we even read the same thing? When does he imply the Lakers are the only worthy team for Lamar, or that he’s falling from heaven? Fail troll.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
This could have been a valid point
if I was projecting the devastation of leaving Los Angeles onto Lamar. But it’s pretty clear, in the statements he’s made (go find a radio interview with Stephen A. Smith after the trade was announced and before it was rejected, Lamar is dazed and on the point of tears in the interview). But I’m not. It has nothing to do with my thinking the Lakers were the only place that Lamar wanted to play, and everything to do with Lamar thinking that, which if you put all the pieces of Lamar’s history and actions over the past few days, is pretty clear.
You did a good job, Chris.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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I can go with that. Maybe time will show that Odom’s enjoying himself wherever he ends up, but for the present moment it fits and it’s appropriate. I mean it’s not like LA is a bad place to play, everyone knows that. But it’s a little much to assert that “Lamar Odom deserved better”. That’s the part that turned my casual visit into a response. It’s appropriate to appreciate him and even wax about how this was a great fit for him, a place where his life came into focus a little bit more. It just fits the Laker arrogance claim really well to think that he “deserved better” than to be cast off of a good lot in life when all he’s really done, as you said, is change the address of his employment. When Deron Williams left Utah I felt that way, Deron had constantly said how much he loved being in Utah, his desire to continue to play there, and he’d backed it up with his intensive community involvement. Deron also felt absolutely devastated when the Jazz traded him, as did our entire team. But I never would have thought or suggested that he’d fallen out of a haven or a place that was sort of irreplaceable. I’m sure that it will take time for Williams to recover from losing his place in SLC, but I know that eventually it will happen. He’ll set down roots elsewhere, he’ll move his family, and he’ll become happy there.
I’m not here to be douchy, I’ve got better things to do. I just want/wanted to see if that’s really what you were saying.
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Khlodum took over
The problems started when he married the witch. Plain and Simple look at before and aftermath.
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