Los Angeles Lakers Playing The Game Without A Net
by C.A. Clark on Dec 11, 2011 12:48 PM PST
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PrintThroughout the franchise's illustrious history, the Los Angeles Lakers have a history of pulling off some of the most audacious personnel moves in sports. From the moment they traded for Wilt Chamberlain, the Lakers have routinely brought in, and shipped out, the game's biggest names. They traded for Kareem Abdul Jabaar. They let Gail Goodrich walk, and were compensated with a draft pick that turned into Magic Johnson. And, in the most relevant case of forward thinking to today's team possible, they traded Vlade Divac for a kid out of high school named Kobe Bryant. In doing so, they freed up enough cap space to sign Shaquille O'neal. Without that single trade, the NBA looks like a much different place these days. But that's not the end of the story. They ended up trading Shaq, who was not far removed from being the best player on the planet at the time of the trade, and netted back assets that they were routinely killed for at the time. One of those assets, Caron Butler, became Kwame Brown, who became Pau Gasol. The other main asset in that trade was the dearly departed Lamar Odom, and Pau and Lamar became the 2nd and 3rd cornerstones to another championship era in L.A.
Now LO is gone, shipped out to Dallas for virtually nothing. It is likely that the move is not the end game, but instead a stepping stone to the next big play. Maybe the Lakers will now turn around and deal for Dwight Howard. Maybe they have some other audacious plan. Maybe the 2017 1st round draft pick from Dallas will end up in the top three because Dallas is an aging team that will eventually need to rebuild. I have no idea what this Laker team will look like in a few days, to say nothing of a few years from now. I only know that whatever happens needs to have a few things fall into place, or else the Lakers will be one of the major losers of this bizarre off-season. Standing pat, with a championship squad with plenty of motivation to play their best ball, was not a bad option. Instead, it's clear the franchise has once again decided to role the dice.
This is what the Lakers do, and it has rarely (if ever) not worked out for them. But when you are stuck in the middle, balancing on the smallest piece of wire, it can't help but be scary to look down and see nothing but air to cushion the fall.
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Who is the guy on the left? Elijah Millsap?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
No, it's Zach Andrews
one of the forwards from the D-Fenders
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 11, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
hmm. maybe it's time to take a breather?
@mike_bresnahan
After trading Odom, are Lakers about to get Howard or maybe revisit Paul trade again? Source: "There’s nothing going on."
@kevinding
I’m told there’s no way Lakers are trading Bynum and Gasol for Dwight Howard.
there are multiple ways to go from here, and maybe after a hectic weekend, LA’s front office simply wants things to quiet down. then again, with a shortened everything because of the lockout, there might not be any time for a breather.
Slava.
http://www.twitter.com/hobojarpen
Exactly: no time. We play Chicago in less than 2 weeks.
Training camp time, while not a necessity, would be a HUGE help for a major new player to assimilate in this already shortened season.
It took Miami
half last season to assimilate, and they still didn’t win it all. In a shortened season, we’ll have so many pieces to congeal (not counting a new coach, a new system, and now a pissed-off Kobe) that the Lakers will end up 2nd in the DIVISION. And this assumes there are rabbits hiding up Laker sleeves. Even with D12 at this point, he’s not going to be enough.
Time for another Valium.
Tornadoes suck.
man im just praying that jim buss dont F' something up here...
i mean, you just GAVE the defending champs our glue in the 2nd unit. and then backing out of the paul trade, for still reasons to me unknown. if they dont land howard? jim’s going to feel the wrath rain down hard on him bigtime!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
I’m as down on the Lakers as anybody right now, but who will have the top spot in the division? The Suns, Kings, or Warriors… nah. Clippers could make the playoffs, but top spot in the division? No way. This is a team right now that still has a fantastic starting front court, and a guy named Kobe Bryant. Don’t get me wrong, the Lakers won’t be taking it all this year. But even with the massive downgrade at coach, Fisher still getting minutes, and absolutely no bench depth, this is still a solid lineup.
With D12? well, that all depends on what the Lakers do to get him. If they get rid of both Gasol and Bynum… well, then I’ll be looking forward to the 12-13 season.
“After all he had done in his seven years for the Los Angeles Lakers, forward Lamar Odom was so hurt by being included in a three-team trade for Chris Paul that was vetoed by the league, that he requested a trade Friday, according to a Lakers team source.”
So I was right about the trade being because his feelings were hurt, and therefore David Stern being singlehandedly responsible for quite possibly ruining our offseason…
… almost done bitching now, I swear.
Crap
Lamar was my favorite Laker, and I am gonna root for him as long as he is in the NBA, but damn. Wish he had kept his emotions a little bit more under control.
You'd BETTER be apologizing for using "c***" and "d***"!!!
I am shocked — shocked, I say!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
probably just the front put up by mitch
Obviously, he’s not going to going to come out and say directly that it’s a stepping stone for dwight or another big trade even though the entire world pretty much speculates and expects it.
But from past history, I doubt Mitch is the type to pull the trigger quickly because a player got emotional and demanded a trade (kobe ’07 anyone?).
End point, Mitch definitely has a plan in mind (whether it will work out or not is a different story), but I’m pretty sure “Odom’s emotions” plays a pretty miniscule role in this trade.
One thing that I don't get
Lamar Odom find out he’s getting traded, so he walks up to the FO and requests a trade?, it makes no sense.
yeah that is weird...
my guess is he felt disrespected to a point where he didnt want to be on the team any more
To the point that he would want to leave LA?
where he’s already established a family and been here since the Shaq trade (plus his Clipper days)?
I doubt it. Something’s going on here that only Mitch knows about.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i am in the same boat where i believe mitch has something up his sleeve
but i don’t think LO could have been a Laker any more after the reaction he had to the CP3 trade
And what if you got fired by your boss and told to get lost since they were getting someone better than you... then, they dont and they want you to come back.
Would you? I sure wouldn’t I’d tell them to go F off and go find another position that appreciates me…
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I would stay.
If I have a family and have been living in one city for the past 7 years, I would have to think incredibly deeply about whether to stay or go. I can tell you it would take me much longer than 48 hours.
In addition, it’s not that the Lakers didn’t want me. It’s that they felt someone else was better. There’s a difference between that and a complete “F off”. It’s not like I would be treated unfairly if I stayed.
The same thing happened with Pau Gasol. He still wants to stay.
I have to believe Mitch Kupchak has a plan..
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention
In this economy, I wouldn’t want to risk being stuck on the unemployment line (not that I think LO would have subsequent financial problems).
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Also keep in mind the boss in your example
Your boss wouldn’t exactly say, “Oh a trade you say? Absolutely, I’ll get right on that, let me put down these other deals I’m working on.” Unless it fit into the plan, Mitch would have told Lamar to think about it and really consider the gravity of his demands.
In a standard company ...
I’d say: OK, I’d come back … at twice the salary, plus other perks.
But making an analogy between the NBA and a regular corporation that makes widgets doesn’t work.
The NBA is more analogous to the movie or music industries.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
by Plan9FOS on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Ding:
“Lakers’ belief, Dwight plotting aside, is they can get someone to be third big man who is cheaper, younger, not disgruntled.”
I’m trying really hard now to resign myself to the possibility that there is nothing else to this trade.
Did Frank McCourt buy the Lakers? Cheaper? Their new tv deal will give them a veritable truckload of extra money. An underpaid Lamar should be the last of their concerns.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
Apparently he’s only owed $3m in salary beyond this year anyway. If this was a straight salary dump, it’s one of the stupidest possible moves to have made, considering Odom had perhaps the friendliest contract on the Lakers.
It wasn't a straight salary dump, I'll tell you that much
Even in the original Chris Paul trade, the Lakers were scheduled to get back a trade exception. The plan seems to be to use it in one of three ways:
- Directly in the Dwight trade
- To pick up an extra peice for the Dwight trade
- To pick up an extra piece to fill out the roster, whether they get Dwight or not. If Chauncey can slip by the bid process, maybe we get him. Maybe we get somebody better.
I think that the front office was going trade Odom anyway. I think they gave him the option of getting traded now or seeing how the chips fall. Maybe they gave him a choice of potential places he could go. I don’t think its possible Kupchak trades him just because he’s butthurt.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Dec 11, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the problem.
In the Chris Paul trade, we would have gotten a $11.2 million trade exception, which is enough to take on Turkoglu’s enormous contract.
Second, if we intend to use Odom TE to get an extra piece for the Dwight Howard trade, we’d have to wait 3 months before trading that piece to the Magic.
Finally, it’s doubtful that we did it to get another guy to fill out the roster. I can’t name a single player who has a contract under $8.9 million, plays for a team who is rebuilding and willing to give him up for next to nothing, and is remotely as good as Lamar Odom is. Even if Chauncey slips by the amnesty process, we’re still so over the salary cap that we can’t give him anything other than the MLE. The Odom exception doesn’t accomplish anything.
I really hope I’m badly mistaken and Kupchak has a plan.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
i love lamar odom ...
but him acting like a little primma donna just didnt sit well with me. even kobe said it best when asked the question about them (odom/gasol) being traded, that it was the nature of the beast, and they will get over it.well, pau obviously it does bother him ,and rightfully sow, at least he was more of a professional about things and showed up to camp, he was the bigger man.
odom on the other hand, give me a break! he was traded 3 times before, so it shouldnt have been that much of a thing. yes, you helped the lakers win titles, and we as fans, and the franchize appreciate that, but to act like a little baby man, cmon now. you had a hell of a career lamar, made millions of dollars, and married into a wealthy family. after what happened last yr against dallas, if i were a laker? to be honest, i would have been leary coming into camp, knowing full well there were going to be some changes.
perfect example when my 1st employer 21 yrs ago, changed owners, and the new management didnt even tell us anything about changes…NOTHING! next thing i knew, i came into work 2 days later, and was handed an envelope, telling me i was no longer, “needed”. ya i was pissed! but it wasnt going to get my job back so i moved on, and now in jan, im going to officially RETIRE!
so my point is lamar, is just suck it up man and get over it. ya it sucks, you think that you put your blood, sweat, and tears into that team, but its a business, and that business payed you well for your services, i wished i was in your shoes man, getting paid handsomely, to bounce a ball for a living! but hey, your going to another contender, a team that has a chance to repeat.
i just wished that the lakers, if they werent going with paul, they could have let go of someone else imo. but like i said above, bottom line, the lakers need a youth movement, and the vets need to recognize that. any business is a crapshoot. good luck to you lamar, im eternally greatfull for what you have done for this team, and the league. he will bounce back.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Well said!!
after what happened last yr against dallas, if i were a laker? to be honest, i would have been leary coming into camp, knowing full well there were going to be some changes.
This is why I’m suprised at Lamar’s reaction too. I get WHY he’s hurt and angry, but I don’t understand how come he’s so surprised. There were trade rumours swirling around the Lakers from before we got hosed by Dallas in Game 4. Outside of Kobe, it made sense for everyone to consider the possibility that you might be traded.
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 11, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
For those who have even considered trading Gasol & Bynum for DH12...
making that trade would result in a Kobe and Howard tandem where as in the CP3 trade we would have still had a Bynum, Kobe, and CP3 trio…
He's probably gettin while the gettin is good.
I dont think this team has ebough to win a chip this year as currently constructed. Moves were needed to be made and they havent been which leaves us with the same issues as last year. crappy PG and no shooting minus the 6th man of the year..
Da Bears....enuff said
We are hurting right now
CP3 filled a huge need and now we are weaker than last year with the loss of LO
i dont think we're getting him
he wants NJ for some weird ass reason
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Dec 11, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
we have the best offer even if we dont offer them Pau
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Dec 11, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
if that's the case
tomorrow should be a sweet day. Just when Bynum was looking so good too.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
"just when bynum was looking soo good"
no better time to trade him then i say.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh.
This whole thing is getting uglier every day. I was elated on Friday when I heard the news about the initial Paul deal, like little kid Christmas morning elated. Now I’m just pissed and bummed.
Why the Lakers would ever do anything to benefit the Mavs is beyond me.
Is that Basketball Reasonable enough?
It’s only a one year benefit. Recall that Lamar can be bought out for season after this one for just under 3 mil. The Mavs will do that so as to have max cap space for free agency.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I had that same reaction to the CP3 trade!
and everything that has transpired since then has just been frustrating…
Lol.
Do I think we got too little? Who did we get? I don’t think Mark Cuban is protesting this trade."
Go Sharks!
@mcten
New story: Kobe on the Lamar trade – “Now I’m getting pissed off” http://es.pn/vYxG9a
Uh-oh
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
plans to get that superstar are backfiring big time
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Dec 11, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
welcome to the jim buss era!!
this isnt starting out well at all man!!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I really don't think we're doing anything,
and I’m really pissed off too.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
FO is dumb as shit
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Dec 11, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Lets wait and see what happens
Track record shows their “purty smart”
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I wouldn't call our FO dumb lol.
But man, I got a bad feeling about this offseason…and I will be pissed if we’re just the same thing minus Lamar.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
not happening dude.
odom te
shasha te
min mle
we have options…
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I mean I won't be satisfied
for just a replacement at this point because no sixth man big will replace what Odom brought. How much is the mini MLE though?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
up to 3 years, $3 mill a yaer
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Thanks hah,
someone answered for me lower though lol.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
READ THE WHOLE STORY EVERYONE
Before we start jumping off a cliff, Kobe is fine
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
True
He’s just frustrated about how all that is going on is tearing the team apart and hanging over their training camp
Hopefully, the significance is that everyone of the team asks Lamar to go see Mitch and to stay, at least for now. Unless the Mavs sign someone else instead of Lamar, you can always flip Lamar to the Mavs later if you make some other deal and want to swap at PF. Then the Lakers could conceivably do another, we’re pulling out of the trade, since it ain’t official yet.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of, is it being held up by the NBA for some reason?
But I think I’m just paranoid now.
Do that too often though
And other teams will refuse to deal with us.
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
For Basketball Reasons
I think it's cuz it's Sunday
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Dec 11, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY
all you people who keep saying we are weaker than last year, the season is over, lets start rebuilding, blah, blah, blah
KUPCHAK ISNT DONE. WAIT TILL WE HAVE A COMPLETE ROSTER BEFORE YOU CAST JUDGEMENT.
thats like someone reading a paper you are working on when you are half way through it, and saying this is complete garbage. wtf were you thinking? let mitch finish his plan.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I trust Mitch sooo much
It’s just extremely difficult to be very optimistic after everything thats happened the past few days…
Past performance does not guarantee future performance. Here, that means that we can’t take it as given that Jimbo running the show means same outcome as dad running the show. Why don’t we see Shaw as coach with the triangle as the offense? Was that a basketball decision or Jimbo trying to mold the team in his new image and goodbye to all things Phil? I don’t know. But it is a possibility that moves are being made less from a basketball perspective and more from a Jimbo wants the team in his image meme. Re Lamar specifically, I also don’t know how good Mitch and Jimbo are with people, i.e., what are their people skills, and so who can say whether they themselves even believe that they are capable of dealing with the circumstance of Lamar. And even if they thought that they have the people skills, maybe they thought instead that while we have the people skills, we’ll never reach Lamar, and that could be wrong. We wouldn’t know unless they tried.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, you should probably do something relaxing and take a step back
Past performance shows trends, this isn’t David Khan were talking about here. We don’t know all the info, Mitch does. Lets stop with the sensationalism and wait for some news, because the only snippets of news shows that obviously Mitch is doing something if Pissed Kobe walks into his office and 15 min later Calm Kobe emerges. I have a lot more reason to believe Mitch is doing something (because of his track record) then he isn’t gonna make any moves (pure speculation)
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
What has Mitch done other than a single trade wherein the other team desperately wanted to reduce payroll? I would otherwise suggest that you read the late David Hackworth’s About Face, wherein he remarks that the troops place way too much confidence in their officers.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
you mention pau
what about shannon brown
what about trevor ariza
all trades that worked out real well where we gave up scraps
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
The problem is some people only apply trends when it looks good ie Pau's performance last year in the playoffs
Im sure you wouldnt characterize that as a trend although it is definitely a possibility. For the good moves he’s made Mitch has made some bad ones too. Walton and Sasha’s contracts. the trade of Sasha and a 1st round pick for Joe smith. Not resigning Ariza. Trading Odom for a bag of skittles and a snicker bar and it’s reported he didnt contact any other team to field offers. Not resigning Mbenga and Powell to stay in their backup roles might be considered a bad move by some. he gets a plus for getting Gasol but he’s the one who traded Caron Butler for Kwame freakin brown. So what is the trend?
Da Bears....enuff said
i dont consider those terribly bad deals...
walton would be serviceable if he was healthy. his contract is too long though. he was a starter at the time he got the contract.
sasha’s te will help us out this year. he wasnt doing helping by sitting on our bench.
not signing ariza was a blessing. he has fallen way off the numbers he put up for us in the playoffs.
and the odom te has yet to be seen.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Kobe – “You traded Lamar? what for?”
Mitch – “A draft pick”
Kobe – “Aaaaaannd….?”
Mitch – “Thats it, sit back and watch and see if I do something… or perhaps not”
That would piss me off too if I was Kobe =/
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 PM PST reply actions
Exactly! Lamar has been an extremely valuable and reliable Lakers player for years and one day he just isn't at training
for a draft pick…
I mean if Mitch actually had a plan that he told Kobe about then Kobe wouldn't be pissed right?
Unless Mitch keeps Kobe completely in the dark (which I highly doubt)…
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure Mitch is keeping Kobe in the loop...
but as of right now I’m not sure what that plan is. Trading LO for picks and not making progress with Orlando…its discouraging
He's not obligated to keep Kobe in the loop about player movement.
If he is, it’s a courtesy, not because he owes Kobe anything.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Kobe trusts Mitch
He might be skeptical about this LO trade but I think he believes in Mitch.
Not only does Mitch have to keep Kobe in the loop, but I believe Kobe doesn’t believe he needs to be since he has faith in Mitch.
Bamboozled.
Dude, I love Lamar as much as the next guy, but he hasn't been reliable for "years".
He’s been an up and down, hit or miss, X-factor since he came here. His best season as a Laker was this past one and even though he’s had some great moments, he’s had more not-so-great ones in purple and gold. Don’t let emotions cloud your vision.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
Still, going into this season without him is considered a downgrade from last season
Especially since getting Howard is looking like a out of a million chance and since we withdrew from the CP talks. How else are we going to upgrade the roster if we don’t sign one of the superstars? There aren’t any other pieces out there that make us a better team.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 11, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
There's not one player
beside Dwight and Chris Paul you want on your team? That’s hilarious. There’s plenty of good players out there, and now that we are armed with Dallas’ picks we are definitely in the hunt to get em :)
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Dec 11, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're underestimating how important Odom was for us.
There isn’t another player outside a superstar who can fill that void. He was 6th man last year for a reason. His height, versatility, skill set are hard to find. And he just had his best season last year.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
agree
He had best season by far. He was finally the leader expected of him. It started with the World games.
Well, that's not true. Odom wasn't a superstar
and what he provided wasn’t superstar stuff. It was unique altogether, but it wasn’t superstar stuff
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
No one is underestimating how important Odom was to the team, but he wasn't a superstar.
Don’t act like you’re a genius who saw what everyone else missed.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
technically, he did not say he was a superstar
He said name someone OUTSIDE a superstar who could replace what Odom did.
Odom’s match up problems were of the kind that only superstars (with even more skills) can provide. How many near 7 foot players can lead and finish the break?
But I am a genius...
Bottom line it was dumb trade. We didn’t get anything in return and the trade didn’t even make it so we could take Hedo’s contract off Orlando’s hands in the Dwight trade.
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
by RA37thriller on Dec 11, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
That was a big, big fluke.
It was almost entirely because he increased his shooting percentages last season, which has historically been shown to be unsustainable for players his age. Besides, he was going to be phased out of the rotation regardless since Brown reportedly was going to decrease his role, which means that Bynum was going to get more minutes. If that was the case, then he was going to be reduced to a 15-20 minute backup since he can’t play the five. Picking up someone like Varejeo for the TPE would provide a better fit.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
all I know is that his value went from
…a major piece in acquiring Chris Paul
to…
…a salary dump.
(until further notice.)
Angry Kobe went to Mitch's office... 15 min later Kobe is seemed fine
Lets not go crazy here
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
If he seemed 'fine' then why did he later say he is "really starting to get pissed off"?
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
read the article
the meeting with Kupchack was AFTER he was interviewed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
The other shoe hasn't dropped yet...
LO to Dallas is part of some sort of mechanism to bring Superman to LAL, I think.
Patience.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Too Bad About Lamar
The Lakers have now lost the two guys with the most class in the organization. Said day for Lakers fans.
I Thought He Took A Full Time Job Working For Trumpka
Seriously it is long past the time that Fisher should have retired as a player. Kobe has carried him for years. However, Kobe is getting too old to carry anyone except himself.
Time to move Fisher into the front office or something.
For years?
Without him we don’t win in 09 and 10. He basically won a finals game in each of those years. He was also the leader in the huddle on those teams as well. Fisher is def not a full starter anymore, but to say he’s been carried for years is underselling how much he has done for this franchise. One of the most important Lakers ever.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
What does his basketball ability have to do with class?
And while he’s not the player he used to be and certainly should no longer be a starter, he still has given the team major contributions en route to winning a championship. He basically channeled his inner Kobe and won that Game 3 in Boston, and thats just one of the many times he’s stepped up his game in the postseason.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I saw a snippet in the Oregonian this morning that mentioned some sort of a trade exception associated with the LO deal....
And a story about Howard formally requesting to be traded.
2 + 2 = 4
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
My guess: Pau and prizes to Orlando, with Buss paying lots of money for crap pieces like Turk, etc.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
What's the salary situation with the trade machine?
I figure the Lakers are gonna have to take on some crap salaries to make it happen.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Yea, Orl doesn't trade him str8 up
We would have to take an Orl player, most likely Turk and his contract which is around 10 or 11 mill. Which is a problem because our trade exemption is only 9 mill. Maybe we take other contracts off of them (Nelson or Reddick), im not really sure tho.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
bynum, ebanks, caracterer & odom te
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
It will be Pau or Bynum, for sure.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
you do if they offer howard, turk & nelson
then use the odom te to pick up a pf to start for us. several options out there.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
Lamar Odom requested the trade...
“You don’t want to go to no place you’re not wanted” – Odom to L.A. times
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:47 PM PST reply actions
You figure out triple negatives well...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Dec 11, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I still haven't figured it out.
Don’t want to go noplace = want to go someplace….
….not wanted.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
That's how I read it too.
Hmm… Lamar sure is a tricky one.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Either that, or the Lakers weren't treating a masochistic personality poorly enough...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Thank god Pau didn't take his attitude about all this
What would this team have done with two unhappy All-Stars if the CP3 deal hadn’t gone through?
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
hmm Idk
for some reason this just doesn’t feel or sound right. For one the NO/HOU/LA trade was pretty much all created because of Pau.
Lamar was thrown in because the Lakers wanted the TPE, thats why we didn’t want to take back anyone but Chris Paul.
We were looking for another 1st round pick to give NO, but couldn’t acquire one. LO now gets shipped to Dallas for a TPE and a 1st round pick. Im pretty sure it’s dead ATM, but after the NBPA tries their litigation it could get the ball rolling on that again as we’d have another pick for them.
I don’t see us trading both Gasol AND Bynum for Dwight only. I believe the TPE we got from LO wasn’t for us, but the Magic. Instead of sending them Gasol, we can give them the TPE or acquire the player they want with it and ship him to Orlando w/ Bynum. That with picks, and if you have to for Turk, send Steve Blake to them so they can have a decent backup versus Chris Duhon.
I’m just trying to stay positive after this epic shit storm that has went down. The Lakers could be just trying to see about the CP situation atm, or they could not, but the scenario I came up with seems like something someone could have been thinking.
So, to recap:
-LO to Dallas for trade player exception worth $8.9M(was going to get from NO anyway) and 1st rounder
-Pau to Rockets,Scola/Martin/(young player(s))/1st round from NY
Now take that and:
-Bynum,DAL trade player exception(or player of ORL choosing),LA first rounder, future 1st and 2nd rounders, and Steve Blake/Caracter/Ebanks(if they want sweeteners) for Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu
-Pau to Houston
-Scola,Martin,Lee/Patterson/Hill/Budinger, NY 1st rounder, DAL 1st rounder to Hornets for Chris Paul(obviously this deal has to wait for the NBPA claim of collusion)
KEEP HOPE PEOPLE!
Houston is apparently gonna offer Marc Gasol a max deal or something around there
I doubt they take that and Pau’s deal
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
they are matching it
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
To be fair: terrible NBA market.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
True but coming from a team who actually competed in the Western Conference playoffs...?
Seems strange
Heisley doesn't really care about that
Why do you think owners signed off on the CBA? It wasn’t for competitive balance
by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 11, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, yeah, it's Heisley. No sense being fair. It's about money...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
They want two bigs it was supposed to be Pau and Nene but it could also be Pau and Marc
by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Gillette needs to move their main office to Houston =P
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you about the LO trade
the TPE gives us the option to go after different players than LO would
for Eg: Atlanta is looking at a S&T deal with NY for Jamal Crawford, but they don’t want to go over the lux tax
If LA becomes a 3rd team in the trade and can get some pieces that either NO or OL want, the Hawks can do that without going over the tax, and we would get either CP3, Howard, or both.
in short, we have more options now than we did with Odom.. so it isn’ quite as head scratching as it first appears.
we also have Sasha’s 5m exception to work with too, so we might see a few deals go down
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Tyson Chandler's Performance Last Season
has way over inflated the value of the NBA Center.
Not that Centers are not important but guys like M. Gasol, too oft injured T. Chandler, Nene etc aren’t worth anywhere near what they will be making. D12 yes but he about the only one. Drew has missed way too many games to have earned the pay on his current contract.
People say how Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league... but if he is injured, takes time off to heal, and come back he has alot of rust on his game.
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Drew Has Become A Very Skilled Offensive Threat
for a big guy. VG good foot work. Nice shooting touch etc.
Second best center in the NBA. I would agree with that when he is healthy and has his rhythm and timing down. However, that unfortunately has not been often enough the last two seasons.
I really hope he finds a way to stay healthy. If is very difficult for guys that big who spend their life running and jumping as much as they do to stay healthy,.
The way he's handled everything, has been so classy.
EricPincus Eric Pincus
I asked Coach Brown who impressed him the most – he said Pau who joined and was so good in 2nd practice like he had been there for 1st
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:00 PM PST reply actions
I've gained a lot of respect for Pau over the last couple days
I hope he stays a Laker- and honestly I can’t see any scenario that he isn’t a Laker on Christmas.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
If the Lakers can trade him for Howard (and Keep Bynum)
then I see him gone before Christmas
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Why would we keep both D12 and Bynum???
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's a good point.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
If what I'm hearing about Bynum (and Howard) this year is right
then they both have just enough of a mid-range game to make it work, and the biggest advantage they will have on offense will be in setting hard screens to get Kobe into his sweet spots.
If you’re running Kobe off of the ball, you want his defender to have to run through Bynum AND Howard (or over Fisher hahaha)
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Though Howard and Bynum together on defense would be literally unstoppable
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Yep, and they should
Putting Bynum and Howard on the same team is something that happens in NBA 2K12.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Yep lol.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I could trade Walton for Howard in 2K12 if I wanted
It would just take a little salary editing…
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Guilty with salary editing :3
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
HAHA never done that.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
But what pisses me off
is how all of the high first round picks from auto-generated drafts have like 70 potential. Seriously annoying that they don’t progress until I realize I have to change that.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
You can't age edit in 2K12
Really bothers me. I can’t make Kobe 19 years old and watch him blow away the All-Time scoring record by the time he’s 25.
AMMO also isn’t in 2K12…
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Never realized that.
This is a travesty.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
He will be if he gets on a team
Because the rosters will update. I’ve been wondering about that. Is ANY team going to take a flyer on AMMO? He left that European league for one purpose.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
He left it?
I read an ESPN article from three weeks ago about him rediscovering his passion there. I hope he does get picked up, it was a really nice read.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yup
Here’s the link, and I do hope he gets picked up by someone.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Oh yeah, it was SI.
Thanks, a bad team should take a flyer.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Why would Orlando do that?
I figure if they part with Howard they’re going to want to go younger. Not acquire someone who will soon be on the decline.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Howard-Gasol
will be the best frontcourt in basketball, regardless of who our SF is. We better not trade him if we land Dwight. Not worth it one bit.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I think we should
see how badly Jamal Crawford wants to play for a contender. If he does, then the Vujacic TE can be used in a S+T to acquire him. Then I think we should apply the Odom TE to get Landry. A bench of Blake, Crawford, Barnes, and Landry is as good as any in the league IMO.
That sounds phenomenal.
Problem is, WHO WILL PLAY PG STILL? :(
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Hurts...my...eyes...
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
How much is the mini MLE?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Hmm,
that’s tough. Is someone like Andre Miller still out there? I think he’d be more likely to take that.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Davis still gets paid ~$16 million regardless, since he was amnestied.
The only question is how much of it we pay.
Ooooh.
Nice, nice.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Not exactly
If we sign him, that means he cleared the waivers, and we’re not paying ANY of his original salary. He makes this money in addition to what he was guaranteed by his old contract. It’s possible a team with cap space will scoop him up first, though.
I'm starting to believe it'll most likely be Fisher
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Did I miss something? Did CP3 somehow change his last name to Blake in the offseason?
Because I know you did NOT just say that Steve Blake was good! =P
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad Artest didn't change his name to "Bill Smith."
Then people would think he’s done with being a fruitloop and some team would trade for him.
He might as well have named himself Toucan Sam.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Dec 11, 2011 2:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol
good to see you.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Anyone remember when He wanted to be called Bill Artest?
I think he was still with the Kings at that point
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I fucking hate David Stern
Because of him absolutely nothing good came out of this. Just an awkward situation, an unhappy All-Star and consequently an unhappy Kobe Bryant (though he’ll get over it I’m sure).
In hindsight, Mitch should never have even bothered to call about Chris Paul.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I wonder if Stern did that on purpose in order to stir up interest in the NBA again after the long lockout...
“Hey guys lets make a controversy by blocking a trade so there is lots of drama and people come back!”
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
IMO Demps Has No More or Less Freedom Than Any Other GM
Does anywhere here think for second that Mitch could trade Kobe without approval from the Buss family? No way, ever.
Thing is can you blame Mitch for trying?
Demps and NO thought they had they power to trade him and Mitch had bigger plans than just CP3. Yes now it looks bad now, but minus Stern, we’d be the clear favs to land D12, CP would be practicing with Kobe, and the reports would be “Dwight requests trade to Lakers.”
by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 11, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
No Doubt
Stern is not looking good coming out of this
but he really doesn’t seem to care about appearances right now.
I guess we’ll find out tomorrow how serious the NBAPA and CP3 are about considering their legal options
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
He had a plan, and it was a pretty good one if thats what would have ended up happening. Thats why I said in hindsight, he never should have called.
Stern is just a huge ass.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Why is ESPN keep pushing that the Lakers backed out
And not that what was being offered would not have been accepted?
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:10 PM PST reply actions
Stern: Don’t like this, change it again
Lakers: Fuck this, we out (drops mike)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Guessing their sources
are in the Houston/NO camp, instead of the Lakers one?
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Its pretty much being said by everyone else that the Lakers backed out
Because Stern was not gonna accept the deal. At the time they were meeting, the dealings was fluid constantly changing and apparently any slight variation wasn’t good enough. The way their reporting is is that, LA just backed out of the deal because we didn’t want him or something like that. I feel like their trying to sway public opinion, DAMN YOU STERN. He’s turned me into a conspiracy theorist,
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Proper headline
Stern outlaws trash talking, talks smack during same press conference
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Proper Headline
Kobe Bryant enters into staring contest with Stern; Lakers attempt to trade for Stern soon after.
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking the same thing...
The Lakers only backed out after they realized they couldnt please Dictator Stern
Something will happen early this week
The Lakers have to use the Sasha TE by the 15th or lose it….
Something that was underreported
but Dallas taking on Odom with the Chandler exception would have effectively taken out of the race for Howard, as they would have used the exception to absorb turkyglue’s contract
so, there is a silver-grey lining to that as well
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions
johnschuhmann John Schuhmann
Good read. RT @JoshuaBRobbins: Tom Penn of @ESPN sorts out all Dwight Howard trade scenarios for the @OrlandoSentinel: ht.ly/7VPft
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
Here's what I thought the key part of that article was
My point is, in this unusual preseason right now, there are still slots and places for an $11 million Hedo contract to go. But people aren’t lining up for that. Nor are they going to hold out room for that. So the team that’s most willing to take on Hedo’s going to be the one that gets Dwight. That space could go away as the season begins.
Hopefully Odom’s trade exception will help keep the Lakers in the hunt for Dwight just by being able to absorb Hedo’s contract.
But it doesnt
trade exception is 8.9 mil.. Hedo is 11Mish
it just doesn’t work
we can use the trade exception to trade for a piece that could be used (eg varejao or Jamaal Crawford in a ST, but it wont cover his entire salary
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office
by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Not exactly true
You have Bynum + 8.9 TE vs Howard + Hedo
They don’t have to be perfectly equal. As long as they are within 125% then the trade is valid. You can’t use 2 TEs on 1 player though.
At least that is what I was led to believe. I could be wrong.
No, that's wrong.
TPEs can only accept a player equal to or less than the allotted salary number.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Thats kind of messed up then.
because a trade for Bynum and Odom for Hedo and Howard worked….
but a trade for Bynum and the exact salary of Odom’s for Hedo and Howard doesn’t……such a strange rule.
now that houston is in the hunt for marc, is there some way we can initiate another three team trade with us losing bynum, pau, maybe blake and picks for dwight and scola?
all while keeping our odom tpe, sasha tpe and other devices to fill out roster?
houston having pau and marc at the same time is enough incentive for them to up the deal.
orlando, for obvious reasons, would have to listen
Pau is worth so much more than Scola and picks.
They’d need to do their Martin/Scola package they offered to NO. Patterson would be nice to throw in as well.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I think Martin/Bynum
and a pick would be more than enough, which doesn’t hurt us since we have Kobe.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Kobe has been getting so lost in all of this
by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 11, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
i hope that is all they need but houston can definitely throw in more
maybe a forward prospect. we have pau and they want pau esp when marc ccomes
Patrick Patterson = forward prospect.
Dragic wouldn’t be half bad either. Shooter off the bench.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Grizz will match his offer sheet
either way i had a scenario earlier in this thread about bringing Houston back
by Q.Calloway25 on Dec 11, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
yes because i get a feel they ain't like double-talking stern
and that there is still a way out of this mess
Derrick Rose for Luke Walton.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Idk.... I feel like we would need more SWAGbro on the team
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
now that Odom is gone
we really need that swag bro presense to help guide farma….
yeah no we’re good with that
the Bulls would have to throw in a pick though, otherwise Stern might not let the trade through
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers don't have a mascot
We could have a dude wear a giant SWAGBRO costume and swagger around in a back brace.
Is that Basketball Reasonable enough?
I like that a lot more
than Baron Davis
…or Steve Blake
…or Derek Fisher
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
yes. a great hammer to stern's head is to get a gem whose pissed at him and the system
the empire strikes back!
okay, so let's get chauncey
i feel our next moves are more like statements and bombs dropped on stern
i like how everyone is kicking dust at the lakers now
because in a couple of days i am hoping we rise from the ashes
My thing about trading LO is that they didn't get anything for him.
If you’re going to grant Odom’s trade request, get something else besides a trade exception. That pick doesn’t help the Lakers this season as LO would if he was still a Laker. I’m pretty sure the Lakers could’ve gotten a player that can contribute immediately.
same here
he was a frustrating player to watch and part of me glad I don’t have to be frustrated anymore, but it seems like he was worth more than what the Lakers got for him… and I’m used to the Lakers being the ones to come out on the better end of trades. don’t see it here.
Be Athletic.
As a stand alone, I agree
You have to hope there is a bigger end-game here.
I still believe that the Lakers are looking to turn their TPEs into tradeable assets for either CP3 of Howard, or even both.
We should see in the next week.
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
If the ESPNLA report was true that Brown planned for Odom to have a smaller role.
Then that means that Bynum is going to play more minutes, which makes sense given that he showed up for camp in much better shape (seriously, look at the pictures of him; dude is ripped) after training at Freddie Roach’s gym all summer. As such, that means that Odom has a really reduced role since giving him some of Pau’s minutes isn’t productive. It would reduce him to being a 15-20 minute player, which explains the report that the Lakers saw him as an overly expensive backup. It’s basically the same reason why Howard made Odom superfluous in the long-discussed Bynum/Odom for Howard/Turk, as Howard would play 35+ minutes as well.
As such, I think the most likely fit for the Odom TPE becomes Varejao because he can play the four and five and can act as a backup for both Bynum and Gasol. Moreover, he knows Brown’s system and is a terrific defensive big. As such, he makes a fourth big far less necessary in the reorganized three man rotation, as he would play 25-30 minutes as he gets on the floor whenever Bynum or Gasol leave the floor. It’s a more natural fit for what Brown is planning with Bynum/Gasol than having Odom. You could also see him as insurance as a Bynum injury as well.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Idk if Gilbert will be willing to help us
Hopefully Brown has some dirt on him lol
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
He isn't in the Cavs' long-term plans.
Complementary piece on a good team who is a superfluous part on a rebuilding one. They clear cap room, get a big TPE, and maybe get a draft pick back in the deal. Plus he increases our luxury tax bill, which is exactly what Gilbert bitched about in his letter, lol.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
You must be joking
Varejao is a tremendous defensive player and isn’t half bad offensively (definitely limited though).
depending on how Kyle Irving turns out, he is the Cavs best player.
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with a lot of what you said.
I do wonder where the motivation for a Varejao trade on the Cavs end… they’d have no center at that point.
That’s even before we factor in Dan Gilbert’s blood rage against the Lakers
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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Dec 11, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Again, clear salary, get an asset for a superfluous one.
They don’t care about sucking in the meantime. They just went through a train wreck of a season. Only thing they care about is developing Irving and Thompson and getting another high pick in a stacked 2012 draft.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Works also, but brings up the same problem I mentioned above.
If you’re playing Bynum more minutes, you’re switching to a more standard big man rotation. Landry can only play the four, so he suffers from the same issue Odom would.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I would love to get Varejao, but the whole Gilbert fiasco makes me doubt it’ll happen. Landry seems like a good fallback option.
If Landry is willing to take a relatively small deal (like one that would fit under the Sasha TPE), I'm all for it.
Since the pay we give him should be commensurate with what his role is. If we strike out on Varejao, I would just use the TPE to try to get an upgrade at the point unless someone else sees another big that can play both frontcourt spots.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
PLEASE GET REGGIE WILLIAMS!
Ken Berger: Warriors have amnestied Charlie Bell and rescinded qualifying offer to Reggie Williams, clearing room for DeAndre Jordan offer sheet. now
by E-ROC on Dec 11, 2011 2:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And if the Warriors get DeAndre Jordan that kills any possibility for Clippers CP3 deal
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
man, I'm telling you
I don’t think any team in the league will be able to trade for him since It’s clear now that Stern wants him to play entire season there.
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by "right package"
i think you mean “first small market team to make an offer”
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basketball reasons
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This answer literally could work for about every question
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Entire season there
And then…
CP3 TO SOUTH BEACH!!!!!
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
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THIS
I already posted here a while ago how Reggie is perfect for our needs and very affordable
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"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I wanted to see CP3 in a Lakers uniform
It seemed a natural fit (like another Magic)
sigh
Be Athletic.
What if...
Mitch’s crystal ball saw CP3 going the way of Brandon Roy, setting the entire season aflame? He just threw the match early.
Tornadoes suck.
DO IT! Golden State!
KBergCBS Ken Berger
GSW can now offer Jordan a four-year deal starting at about $10M in the first year. Offer sheet has yet to be extended, source says.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:09 PM PST reply actions
Are there enough pieces around the league...
within our reach that the Lakers could still assemble a winning team? Either Mitch knows something huge, or we’re screwed. Even D12 isn’t huge enough to bail us out of this mess.
Pardon me if this question has already been asked in one form or other and I missed it. The thread is flowing faster than the Columbia River.
Tornadoes suck.
is the team really so bad?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Right now?
We’re barely a contender for a playoff spot. It’s like we just traded a rook for two invisible pawns.
Tornadoes suck.
Are you serious?
“barely a contender for a playoff spot”? You are out of your mind. This is still a top 2 or 3 team in the western conference.
It's called exaggeration.
Still, factor in the age and lack of speed. Even WITH Odom, we flopped early in last year’s playoffs. No, I’m not out of my mind. MWP has his ups and downs, Fish is old, and we have lots of question marks.
Tornadoes suck.
That's a very poor use of exaggeration.
This team won 2 of the past 3 NBA titles. Have a little faith.
What are you talking about? We are a sure playoff team.
Contending is what we’re aspiring to right now.
WTF?
Im sorry but a contender for a playoff spot, wth are you talking about?? We were the #2 seed with the exact same team plus Odom. So Odom was keeping us in the playoffs? Losing Odom has plunged us into a mediocre team? Im sorry your crazy.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Shannon wasn't that much of an impact in the latter part of the season.
I think we can fill out those spots before the season starts if we don’t get Howard.
I can't believe I forgot our MVP!
Without him, there will be no one to fulfill his role in sucking at screen defense chuck up shots early in the shot clock instead of running the offense, and get plays on SC top 10. ( I will miss that last part tho, seriously)
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Odom
picked up for Bynum and Gasol, keeping them fresh. Who does that now? Yeah yeah, I know. We’re not done. I’m just hoping there’s rationale behind the apparent insanity of dumping LO for zilch.
Tornadoes suck.
Well apparently Odom's minutes were gonna be downgraded anyway
As Bynum is gonna have a more important role in the offense. I think your confusing Mitch with David Kahn
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
if nothing happens with any of the rumors..
and the lakers keep gasol, i wonder what odom would think if he would have just quit acting like a freakin baby, and he might have still been a laker. i hope he has plenty of time to reflect on that. seeing pau in his usual role, and lamar feeding the cows in tx!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
What are you talking about
If the Lakers are healthy this season and Kobe is his great self again I see the Lakers top 3 in the Western conference.
Not at all.
I would personally prefer the team to go into the season as is (with the Vujacic and Odom TEs used to pick up two solid contributors).
WE SUXORZ
We would only have Kobe, some guy that made some dumb thing called a “All Star game” named Pau Gasol (what kind of name is that), some guy named Metta World Peace (heard he looks like Ron Artest), some guy that can possibly make a stupid all star game who is in better shape than ever but that means nothing, and Derek Fisher. WORST TEAM EVER AT LEAST WE CAN GET A LOTTERY PICK
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
no
he gets paid to make the Lakers the best team they can be, personnel wise.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
i believe he Mitch has his plans
we won’t know about them until they happen.
so let’s all chillax
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
if howard changes his mind...
and makes his mind up and go’s to the nets, this whole fiasco will not sit well, not only with fans, and kobe, but this is already giving the nba another black eye! the lakers will be a mess.
yes they will still have kobe, bynum, and gasol, but a fossil in fisher, and the heart and soul, of there bench in dallas. the laker bench is in shambles in my eyes. can you count on barnes leading the 2nd unit with a bunch of rookies? shannon’s gone, as well. im already getting nervous and the season hasnt even started yet! i hate this feeling.
If today was anything like Friday or Saturday were.
I probably would have had an aneurysm.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Idk, i kinda want this whole ordeal to be over with
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Same here.
But I didn’t think it was going to be done today.
Today is for football. Basketball shall resume tomorrow.
Bamboozled.
Funny I was just wonderint about him :P
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lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
exactly!
all that excitement of the lakers getting paul, then losing him an hr later, then nothing during the weekend, it ended all the excitement with a loud thud! thank you david stern!! (clapping).
@WojYahooNBA
DeAndre Jordan has signed a 4 year, $43 million offer sheet with Golden State, agent Greg Lawrence tells Y!
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
About $850,000. Second round pick.
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GM's as stupid as this are the reason we had the lockout...
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Hahah
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Huge payday for him then
Lot of money, but he’s a young C so he may be worth the investment
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
this is to make the Clips overpay to keep him though
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
by Vmuse on Dec 11, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I read somewhere that teams are afraid to even try because of all this.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yea team execs are kinda in awe of everything that happened
The league is in a wierd place, whats sad is alot of the basketball “fans” don’t realize this
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's a weird justification
that the hornets are more valuable with CP3 even though he has made it clear he won’t re-sign with them.
If by wierd, you mean completely wrong and dumb then yes
Basketball reasons is a justification i can stand by tho
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
If that's the real explanation
I think it has to do with Stern’s priority being to sell the team as opposed to the future. You can possible argue that keeping Chris Paul would drive ticket sales a lot better than re-building, even if it’s just a one year loaner for all practical purposes.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Dec 11, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
and they renounced their qualifying offer to Reggie Williams
you know, it’s been a horrible stretch for me as a fan of the Lakers and Warriors. Lose out on CP3, trade Odom for less than pennies on the dollar, offer Jordan $43 million, cut Jeremy Lin, waste the amnesty clause, effectively lose Reggie Williams
I don’t know what to think anymore.
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"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I don't remember who exactly here said it, but the Lakers' silence this time...
…. might mean something’s getting done now. Something, anything, I don’t know.
Mitch is probably feigning inactivity today because he think all that media coverage over the Paul dealings actually jinxed it because he wasn’t able to operate under the shadows like he usually does.
Phew.
#BlueLanternHopeSpot
The NON-News is KILLING ME!!!!!
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
HELLS NAH!
24 ALL DAY. 24= Kobe’s growth.
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
I think 24 looks better on him
Maybe it’s just cuz I’m more used to it now.
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A.J. Burnett's only fan!
KB8 just rolls off the tongue like CP3 or D12...
KB24… eh not so much =/
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know,
KB24 always seemed better to me. Opinionated, I guess. The K and the 8 just sounded weird together. Like a news channel or something.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Will the Lakers retire 24 or 8?
He won more chips wearing 8 (as of right now)
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
They'll probably retire both
He’d deserve it.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I'm not sure actually
I know that the Yankees have numbers that are retired for two different players (same number, different players). But I don’t think they or anyone else has a single player with two different retired numbers. And if thats the case, then I’m glad Kobe will be the first, because not many would deserve it more than him.
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A.J. Burnett's only fan!
yeah...and even if they don't officially retire both
WHO would be crazy enough to request to wear 8 or 24 on a Laker jersey again? Can you imagine the comparisons? lol
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 11, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I love it
23 + 6 < 24 + 8 — and someone’s tag line that James did something Kobe will never do: Win a bronze medal.
Tornadoes suck.
that was in 2004
The Nightmare Team. Bunch of 19 year-olds. After losing by double digits to Puerto Rico, LeBron said, “It’s not the end of the world.” Great sense of urgency and responsibility, olympic man.
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Right here haha
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Are defense better be fucking amazing
KevinDing KEVIN DING
Lakers will, however, trade Bynum and Gasol for Tebow.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 4:08 PM PST reply actions
am i the only one who does not think we will get howard?
i wish the lockout was still going on
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
i wish the lockout was still going on
Could any of you imagine yourselves saying that a month ago?
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
I think we're gonna get him
We have exactly the same opportunity/chance we did before, what changed?
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if SBNation will ever allow us to delete our own comments.
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
on that day
chris paul will be a laker
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On that day
Jake Locker will lead the Titans to the Superbowl.
Sorry, I had to do that.
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
@daldridgetnt
Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley says team will match the 4-year, $55M offer sheet from Houston on Marc Gasol. Check out the Hang Time Blog.
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Overpaid
Becoming a 13m/year is his upside. I guess the league is really hurting for quality big men these days.
"Work before Glory"
by wickedskillz on Dec 11, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
The raiders are getting blown out
for basketball reasons
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New info on CP3/Clippers: since Stern vetoed LAL deal, offer will have to be clearly better. May have to include Gordon & Minn pick to pass.
Yeah, without Gordon and the Minny pick, that deal isn’t happening.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
that still isnt as good as what they would have gotten
IMO. kmart,scola,and odom could have at least been a nba team
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How do other owners know what's best for the Hornets anyway?
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Basketball reasons
That’s probably my first and last time using that…it’s already getting played out for me.
Bamboozled.
Wonder if anything will happen in the next week?
I’m personally bummed that the CP3 deal didn’t work out though. The part of that deal I liked the most was that we got an elite player all while keeping Bynum. I still want Howard but definitely not if it means giving up both Bynum and Gasol.
The Odom pick was 2017, right? That will probably get used in any trade we do before Christmas, yea? OR, when the Mavs are bad in 5 years, we’ll use the top 5 pick to land the next Laker great and we’ll all look back and say what a clutch move trading Odom was.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Dec 11, 2011 4:27 PM PST reply actions
Lakers won’t give up Bynum and Gasol for Howard.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Chances the hornets retire Sterns jersey?
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I don't think they like him either
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Any,updates on dwight?
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by chaucer on Dec 11, 2011 4:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Here's the last 2-3 days summed up:
Stern cost us Lamar Odom. That’s it.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
also, i did some christmas shopping
The defenseless Huskies vs a Heisman Trophy winner. I smell shenanigans ahead!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Stern made me schedule an early psych visit
My shrink will no doubt increase my meds now. Thanks a lot.
Tornadoes suck.
To update, for those still in denial (courtesy of the one K brother and ESPN):
""I didn’t see that coming at all," Andrew Bynum said. “so I don’t even know what he was traded for or anything like that.”
So I told him.
“Draft picks and a trade exception? Wow, that’s crazy,” he said."
****
[Fisher] “As a basketball player it confuses you as to what your focus should be. If your focus should be about making sacrifices, making less money, playing a lesser role to be a part of a championship team, it doesn’t seem like the reward fits anymore.” he said. “The reward is, when something else better comes along, you’re going to be traded and pushed out. That’s just not a message that you’d want a friend or a teammate to have to experience, but at the same time we know that’s a part of what this business is now.”
Asked if he thought more was coming, Fisher was blunt. “I would assume that the trade is not being made just for exercise purposes, but maybe I’m wrong in assuming. Maybe it’s just something the team feels is better in the short or long term. Those are decisions that we have absolutely nothing to do with, but it doesn’t mean we have to agree with them.” "
For the one soul who told me to be calm, reminds me of the film Animal House there at the end, Remain calm, remain calm….right before he gets steamrolled. Oh, and by the way, the K Brothers’ ESPN headline is: Lakers react to Lamar Odom trade, and they are not happy. Here’s the piece:
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 4:38 PM PST reply actions
@Chris_Broussard
Hornets asking for E Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and 2 1st round picks, sources say
And I want to go on a cruise to the Bahamas. Hey, wait…
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Wth would their starting lineup be?
If the Clippers make that trade, they truly deserve to always suck. Blake Griffin, CP3 and scrubs may not even be a playoff team
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Paul, Mo Williams
Randy Foye, Willie Warren, Travis Leslie
Caron Butler, Ryan Gomes
Blake Griffin, Brian Cook, Trey Thompkins
DeAndre Jordan
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
No Jordan
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
they'll match his offer
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it’s nice to want things
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
DAT’S DA JOKE
/McBain
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
i dont want cp3 in LA if hes not a laker
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Not the worst deal in the world. Have you checked the number of players on the Clippers roster? So they could use a little culling. Picture that deal, a matching offer for Jordan, and toss in a Blake Griffin and Caron Butler.
by Can'tMissMissed on Dec 11, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Prob won't do both, because they'd need to resign CP3 and Griffin
So if they make that trade their lineup would be
C- ????
PF- Blake Griffin
SF- Caron Butler
SG – Randy Foye
PG- CP3
That’s prob not even a playoff team, unless Caron is 100% the way (6th seed MAYBE) he was b4 he got hurt, which is highly unlikely.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not familiar with the rooks and other camp invites...
so I thought that was Roy standing behind Kobe in the post’s picture.
Then I remembered his retiring and I got sad.
by keithsweatshirt on Dec 11, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions
Not surprised, this is Sterling we're talking about
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
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by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM PST reply actions
I wish CP3 says no
just despite Stern. He comes out and say I want the Lakers would be awesome.
He's going to South Beach
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Better not
The Heat would be absolutely unstoppable. Though there wouldn’t be enough basketballs to go around.
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We'd only have the mini-MLE
or regular MLE to use on him (depending on when the mini-MLE kicks in) and that’s assuming we don’t use it this year on somebody (I believe it can only be used every 3 years anyway).
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
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I know Chris Paul won't do this, but if it were me...
I’d rather sign with a contender for the mini MLE and play for 3 years, then become a free agent and resign with them for a huge contract.
Yes, you lose a LOT of money, but imo, it’s better than wasting your prime on a bad team.
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 11, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
LOL he should lose a lot of money in his prime for 3 years, then hope to get more when he's older?
Instead of going to a contender in FA and getting what he’s worth?
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Is there a contender with cap space though?
Absolutely go to the contender 1st, that’s without question.
But if your choice is money with a Cleveland/Minnesota or winning with LAL/Dallas, I’d go with the latter
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 11, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
It would be wierd for him to sign with the Clippers,
Stern is asking the Clippers to gut that team, but if they do I think their no better then NO last year was and idk if CP3 wants to do that again. He might just because he seems to really want to leave NO, and feels like he can’t go anywhere else now.
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Verbal agreements are not binding
that’s all I have to say. It’s not like they can sue him if he changes his mind
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I feel like people are severely overrating Griffin here
and significantly undervaluing Eric Gordon
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KEVIN DING @KevinDing 4 mins
Official version of trade is Odom and Lakers’ 2012 second-rounder for Mavericks’ 2012 first-rounder.
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its better to have a reputation of being a good gm than actually being one
im not saying mitch is a bad gm but he is def not the best of all time. all this stuff about him in the shadows is kind of ridiculous
the pau deal,which put the grizz in posititon to beat the top team in the west in a playoff series this year was a steal but not as much as everybody makes it out to be.
that being said if we get howard,mitch needs a statue
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...really?
Our second round pick is going to be in the mid to late 50s. You don’t find Manu at the end of the second round anymore. Mitch is a pretty solid drafter, but he doesn’t work miracles. I bitched about them using their last second rounder last season on Majok since better options were available, but in the greater scheme of things, it doesn’t matter that much.
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giving up a pick too?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
horrible
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I don't like giving up a pick either, but its a 2nd round pick in the NBA
Thats almost the same as nothing
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
we got goudelock and turriaf with late late laet 2nd round picks
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And neither one of them will play a role if at all
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Just Goudelock, jumped to aconclusion there
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
i think hes going to be great
might not get playing time but i really like his game
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Maybe, but theres been alot better players coming out of college in the past
And alot of them never even make it to the bench
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
No, they were in the middle of the second round.
Our pick will be at the end. It’s basically worthless.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
ok, so they've gotten the additional 1st rounder they wanted and the $8.9 million trade exception....
now what? I still have no clue what Mitch is thinking….what/who is it for??/
by SmokeAndAshes on Dec 11, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
seriously
we want to know
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That 1st pick is the one NO wants? Houston didn't get M. Gasol, so idk...
I think CP3 goes to Clips.
Go Sharks!
i highly doubt it
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so no trade exception?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Same TPE. They're just elaborating on the picks involved.
Arguably better for us since originally they said that we might be getting back a pick as far away as 2016.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
apparently CP3
wants to play for the clippers if he can’t play for the lakers or the knicks but he has a decision to make. stay one year in NO or move to LA and play for the clippers for two years and then become a free agent.
If I were him, I would play out this year and then choose my landing spot in free agency.
He’s going to end up in a shitty destination now matter how it goes.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I doubt he do the 2 yr deal, i think he wants a long term deal
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 11, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
the only way the clippers will trade
gordon is if they get two years. I doubt CP3 would want a long term with the clippers.
All he has to say is that he'll do two years
he could easily change his mind.
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"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
lol
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Great write up
One thing we know for sure. The Lakers are not done making moves.
I am a little surprised to see LO go. I was expecting Gasol for CP3 and Bynum for Howard. Giving LO the 4 spot and being able to spread the floor for Howard.
Bynum alone I don't think is likely to get Howard
I’m sad to see him go, but not at all surprised. He seemed to be on his way out in one way or another. Especially after his horrible attitude about the non-trade.
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You are right it would take another couple smalls or picks
I am just not sure that CP3 will be a Laker this year. So, now they will be looking at other options. It could be something far out there like CP3 to Boston, Rondo to LA and Gasol to Orleans. With a few other pieces to make things even up.
I still wonder if LO would still be here if he'd acted like Pau
If thats the case, then it’s sad. I’m not going to blame Lamar though. I’m going to blame David Stern for basketball reasons.
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If Odom is gone then why do these 2 trades not work?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=746kpd5
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7rrc8vx
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Strange
We have a higher win increase if we give away blake rather than ebanks
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Hollinger's PER system is sketchy
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
how do the clippers get Odom without giving up a single player, pick, etc???
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Odom AND a pick for a trade exception and pick....
Mitch if you don’t have something up your sleeve… Since when do the Los Angeles Lakers do salary dumps. wtf
It's just a 2nd round pick, which is virtually useless.
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Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
How did Odom make it under Mavs Salary Cap?
I thought the Mavs were over and coudnt take on Odoms salary.
"I think your brain has a thick candy shell on it"
This tweet gave me chills
ArashMarkazi Arash Markazi
If Odom trade isn’t setting up a Howard deal, it will go down as one of if not the worst in team history.
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by Jonny 4 F1ng3rs on Dec 11, 2011 6:02 PM PST reply actions
where have all the flowers gone?!
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its a terrible trade
"If somebody had their life on the line, and they’ve got their options on who they want to save their life — tell me who you’re going to pick? You’re going to look at the stats first?" - Kobe Bryant
by desecrator09 on Dec 11, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not unless that pick lands us the next Kobe
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
blasphemy
There is only one Kobe.
WTF?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
There's no such thing.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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i think we all need to be prepared for the possibility that mitch doesnt have anything up his sleeve
The use of the TE we got from Dallas depends on a team willing to let a good player go for basically nothing. Just because the Lakers made a wtf move doesn’t mean another team will. A desperate team maybe but I dnt see any particular team in that position right now.
It looks more and more like Howard is a pipe dream and we’re stuck with what we have which I personally don’t think is good enough to win a chip as is.
Da Bears....enuff said
by EmmCeee on Dec 11, 2011 6:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This
im pretty sure we are not getting howard at this point but what do i know i dont come from basketball reasons
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shit id go
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i just dont think orlando will trade howard to us
i have no sources,or reasons to back it up besides that feeling of doubt that grows every 2 seconds
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think about why we got blasted last year
Plug Dwight in for Bynum and what changes? Pau still played like trash. Fish couldn’t stay in front of anybody. And Dwight doesnt guard the perimeter so how much would he actually change things
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by EmmCeee on Dec 11, 2011 6:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
b/c nobody can guard the perimeter
a stronger defense in what improves the defense.
Plus, Laker fans probably won’t get heart attacks every time someone hits Dwight’s knees :D
Pau played like trash
and bynum isn’t enough offense to replace him. Dwight can replace him and then some
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Pau did play like trash
the main reason we lost to Dallas was because he wasn’t cancelling Dirt’s Production like he usually did during the season
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I think you're overestimating Dwight's offensive capabilities....
Then again as bad as Pau played and as well as Drew was playing they still didnt feed him the ball enough. They kept going to Pau who couldnt score on….Dirk? really?
Da Bears....enuff said
Pau couldn't score not because Dirk was guarding
but it was because of Basketball reasons.
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"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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You greatly overestimate a guy who couldn't take away touches
from a guy playing so bad he got punched in the chest
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
because you're comparing his play to the guys who didn't play like he was 7'
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Pau didnt play at all. I know for a fact that there were more people than just me screaming for drew to get more touches
Go back to the game threads. It’s all there.
Da Bears....enuff said
I know what's there
and I know he deserved more touches. he had some good games, but he was still mainly playing off the ball in those situations. Not playing Pau’s complete role as post player and distributor. Pau was still distributing, but wasn’t scoring
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Pau didnt play at all. I know for a fact that there were more people than just me screaming for drew to get more touches
Go back to the game threads. It’s all there.
Da Bears....enuff said
not the worst place to be
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Or more like we are going to be stuck WITH a pipe (no lube!)
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 6:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
Thus, I want Reggie Williams on this team, NOW! He would come at a bargain. The Lakers could do a sign and trade with the Warriors and use their exception on him. PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Its practically a layup.
Anyway, Odom didn’t want to be here after the non-trade. I’m mad that they didn’t get anything for him except for an exception. Now if they do something with the exception, I’ll be happy. Get Reggie Williams!
Not with the Odom TPE.
I’ll be pissed if they offer anything more than the mini MLE.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
i seriously can’t see what you are basing this on except sheer paranoia
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
paranoia? for being realistic? ok
What points to us getting Howard? If you think about it the safer route for the Magic would b to take a non injury prone Lopez and 1st round picks and send Howard on his way. Not to mention they can take Turks contract plus Lopez is still on his rookie deal so they save money every way u look at it
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by EmmCeee on Dec 11, 2011 6:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
At this point
it makes more sense to assume that Mitch has some sort of plan, rather than that he’s secretly a clueless moron.
Agree
But sensibility has taken quite the beating lately in the NBA.
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by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
At this point he hasnt done anything to make us think he's not a clueless moron
What plan could possibly be hatched by trading Odom to the defending Western conference Mavs for little more a pack of skittles and gummi Bears
Da Bears....enuff said
The Mavs are not gonna repeat. I'm not worried about them.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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They have a better chance of repeating than we do of even getting there at this moment
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no, they don't
Their defensive force is gone to be replaced with his liability replacement
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I didnt say they will repeat
I said they have a better chance of repeating than the Lakers do of even reaching the Finals as is. I stand by my statement.
Da Bears....enuff said
Because were not gonna even use our MLE?
by Fin Fan Forever on Dec 12, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Ive given up trying to guess and dream up scenarios as to what Mitch is doing
Quite Honestly if all we were gonna do is trade Odom for a handshake and chest bump we should have kept trying to make the Paul deal work.
Da Bears....enuff said
I don't quite understand the logic
of losing Chandler, losing Caron, gaining Odom, and maybe losing Barea and somehow being just as good or better
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Didn't Barea just sign with Minny?
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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You dont see what im saying?
Take what you just said and figure out the chance you feel the Mavs have to repeat. whatever chance that is however big or small is MORE than the chance i feel the Lakers have in even making it to the finals.
Da Bears....enuff said
idk man
I mean to strike lightning twice AND with less of those parts. I don’t see how you’re higher on them than the Lakers
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Nits
It is roll the dice, not role the dice.
And Kareem spells his last name Jabbar.
Per Aldridge
Several teams interested in Reggie Williams, rescinded by GSW to make room for DeAndre Jordan sheet. Williams worked out for Bobcats today.
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 6:24 PM PST reply actions
this team
just pissed me the fuck off. i dont even know if i wanna be a laker fan right now. Giving Odom up for NOTHING?!?!?!?
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
calm down
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
It appears you have never played Chess or Poker
Management knows what they are doing.
Get over it.
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Tweetness
WTF?! SMDH.
Dave McMenamin: Correction: Lakers make it official. Lamar & LAL’s 2012 2nd Rd pick are traded for the $8.9m trade exception & DAL’s 2012 1st Rd pick.
So . . .
we get an extra 1st round pick next year? That’s good, I suppose. Still giving up Lamar for three gummy bears and a paper clip, but that’s the way it goes I guess.
I dunno why
but I’m starting to get the nasty feeling that we may have not even had a plan..
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
i see ur finally coming to the darkside
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by EmmCeee on Dec 11, 2011 6:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
perhaps
but something like getting millsap for that tpe as our new sixth man
getting an irate billups at point with mini mle
getting another big (mcroberts type) with sasha tpe
making a minor trade with our glut of sfs for some athletic starting wing (iggy comes to mind)
signing a veteran big to back bynum up
and letting our rookies get some burn and we’d look like an updated team ready to win now
that’d be billups-morris-fisher
kobe-barnes-goudelock
iggy-kapono-ebanks-walton
pau-millsap-caracter
bynum-vet big
if that was the contingency and mitch “am in control” plan, then we are better off definitely than this mess. add to that trading pau to a frustrated hou team (getting extras)
we have:
billups-morris-fisher
kobe-martin-goudelock
iggy-barnes-kapono-ebanks (amnesty walton)
scola-millsap-patterson
bynum-vet big caracter
not bad. you still have your new big 3 well complemented by a true floor general and a versatile pf and the deepest bench in the league.
i know, dream on…but what if?
That still doesn't even sound like much of an upgrade.
And pulling Iggy for MWP is dreaming either way
"SCORES 81 POINTS AND AVERAGE 35 A GAME
...Media chooses ball distributor as mvp
TAKES A HIT IN POINTS/STATS TO HELP TEAM WIN 2 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS
...Media gives mvp to ball-dominant guard" - theshmoes, on Kobe Bryant.
by Saurav A. Das on Dec 11, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
dreaming is what a lot of us are into now.
mwp blake and dallas pick btw. that’s if they really want to dispose him.
Nah, there was a plan
it just got completely thrown off course for some reason
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
not for just some reason
FOR BASKETBALL REASONS.
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The amount of questions you can answer by that simple phrase.
Endless I tell you, endless.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
so true.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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agreed.
we didn’t get to where we are today under Mitch by being lucky or with him being a novice. I too think there was a plan and I still hold out hope there is a plan. Mitch, and Lakerdom for that matter are a proud people and I don’t think he/we will just ride off into the night willingly looking like idiots.
/crossing fingers.
On the bright side
at least we’re not hearing more reports about NJ & Dwight (or Chi & Dwight), yet…(knock on wood)
We haven't really heard any rumors at all today
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by Czheck on Dec 11, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If he really wanted to only sign with the Nets this would have happened by now
I think the delay has more to do with Orlando saying that they have their own list of teams to and so they are looking at whats best for Orlando.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
but no news of other offers, yet
so the highest bidders are us, NJ, and possibly Chi (no news of other possible offers yet, unles they all are learning to operate in silence)
Unless Otis Smith really thinks that we’ll offer both bynum & gasol, I think chances are that he does think that Bynum is more worthy than Lopez…
i doubt we're going to offer both
no way we gut our entire frontline for one center
by Revelationx91 on Dec 11, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
he throws in turkey and (for my head's sake) nelson
i’d sink if we bought bynum/gasol for howard/turk
i just feel that orlando wants to gut us now. i'd take howard turk and jameer for bynum/howard with reservations
but for us to say that we’re in a better position than entering the paul fiasco, we’d have to steal someone (millsap and scola are the only bigs i want unless kahn is foolish to donate love for 9mill tpe and picks til kingdom come), get a backup wing, 2 bigs (pf and c).
in short, everything else post-howard will have to well-executed.
in my mind:
pg – nelson/morris/fisher (amnesty blake or trade him for tpe)
sg – kobe/barnes/goudelock
sf – mwp/kapono/ebanks/walton
pf- millsap/turk/tpe big/caracter
c- d12/backup big for mle
howard turk and jameer for bynum/howard..?
Huh?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
it's just sick that you can't package the tpe with another player for a trade.
or else this could have virtually been bynum/lamar tpe/pick for howard/turk
can't they make two separate trades?
1. bynum for howard
2. TPE+whatever for turk
and just turn in two separate requests at the same time :D
You cannot combine TPE with a player's salary
For example, the Odom TPE is $8.9 mil, and Steve Blake has a $4 mil contract. You cannot combine Blake’s contract and the TPE to form $12.9 mil and trade that for Turk.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Can we throw away Blake
and turn it into a TPE that can be combined with the 8.9? =(
by Revelationx91 on Dec 11, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
No
If you trade Blake for nothing, you get another $4 mil trade exception that cannot be combined with other salaries or TPE.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
It's sick that we can't have the CP3 TPE
would have been enough for Turk, Odom would have actually been traded for something useful, and we’d have 3 of the top 7 players in the NBA arguably.
Yeah, I’m still crying over that.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
$11.2 mil
Turk’s contract is $11 mil.
shakemyhead
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I posted this in an earlier thread
Gasol and Odom’s contracts add up to 27.6 mil. CP3’s contract is 16.4 mi, giving us a 11.2 mil TPE to cover Turkoglu’s 11.0 mil contract.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
well this leaves us a choice between scola and millsap
any other bigs we could use?
not much left
scola we can get for pau should dwight fall out of the radar but we’d be left with kobe-bynum and a bunch of above average players
millsap i hope so.
love for some reason kahn might be dealt the right hand. he has beasley, milicic, williams and love there. maybe he could donate one
Beasley and Milicic definitely are possibilities
I just would hate them to be long-term Lakers. Charlie Villanueva is another guy whose contract fits perfectly into the “underperforming player on a rebuilding team” build we are looking for, but that would suck too.
I think TheWerg posted this last night, but Tyrus Thomas, Varejao, Drew Gooden, or Andray Blatche?
ugh. disgusting.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Varejao would be fine for the reasons I elaborated on above.
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Me too
It seems plausible that the Jazz would give him up for a TPE, since they have Kanter, Jefferson, Okur, and Favors. But Millsap’s contract is extremely fair, and if I were Utah I would expect alot more than a TPE and several picks.
Scola would probably be more possible. Houston is aggressively pursuing Nene and desperately wants that big-name superstar. They might give up Scola to free up space.
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by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't that much. Larry Coon posted that we got a $8.9 million TPE in the original Paul deal.
Probably since Odom was the only player going to New Orleans while we were taking Paul back.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
sigh...nevermind then
my bad. I forgot the TPE applies to only one player at a time, or something like that. The CBA is so confusing.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
It's weird because Houston was also involved in the deal.
So there was some disparity in salaries or cap room or something created by the deal that we got in return.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Maybe...
The having to be within 125% of the amount goes with the TPE as well…meaning it doesn’t have to be exact, but just within a certain limit…which also could work with the Howard trade and Hedo.
No, it doesn't.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Lakesr future
I was already concerned about the future before the Dallas debacle. Ordinarily standing pat after a 2nd rd sweep would not be acceptable for the Lakers. This year with the short season and league wide turmoil a motivated, cohesive veteran core could have made one more run. Giving away your 3rd (at worst 4th) most valuable player for nothing is a disaster. It looks like a return to the 90s. The Lakers will be solid, but will not contend for the championship in the near future. Tough time to be a Laker fan
by Lakers33 on Dec 11, 2011 7:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have this sinking feeling
we were massively banking on cp3, and now the front office is just kinda flailing around without any sense of direction.
Shit.
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Life is
For Thine is the
Going to be VERY interesting
what lineup Lakers have on Dec. 19th against Clippers. Have a feeling we’ll know by Wed. at the latest what Lakers endgame is. Lakers can’t possibly go into those 2 preseason games next week with this current roster.
yeah i still believe
L.O. trade is either 1.) obviously a prelude to get Dwight or go after CP again. 2.) Lakers completely dropped the ball. There is no in-between.
by lwood24 on Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you still sure about that?
Go Sharks!
by Dmitriy on Dec 11, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats what I've been saying but all of a sudden everyone knows more than him...
I trust him. If not getting a superstar than there is nothing wrong with getting new pieces.
a lot is hinging on whether we get dwight or not (duh)
but if our front office isn’t even looking to wheel and deal, i say take the tpe to utah and get us millsap then offer pau for scola, martin, lowry, a pick and a thank you note. too steep?
we’d be:
lowry-morris-fisher
kobe-martin-goudelock
iggy-barnes-kapono-ebanks
millsap-scola-caracter
bynum-veteran big
and we’d still have that sasha tpe and mid level. maybe we could grab someone philly likes with that tpe, combine with mwp and picks and land iggy.
man i pipe dreaming but this is possible.
Mitch characterized it as pulling teeth to get Dr. Buss to agree to bring back Odom a few years ago, and from what it’s worth, the INTERNET RUMORS always intimated that Buss never got over it. With the new luxury tax, there was a possibility of Odom’s contract costing like, 28 million. If Buss wasn’t happy to have Odom around to begin with, he may have looked at it at the best time to cut bait. Historically after losing a title Buss ships someone out. I hope something is going down but I tend to believe the salary dump rumors.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM PST reply actions
I was remembering that same thing
…the pulling of teeth.
…But Odom played better (more consistently) than he ever had.
Oh I agree
I guess the idea is that he felt like he got screwed on the Shaq trade, overpaid Odom for all those years, got angry he didn’t play well against Boston (the first time) and didn’t want to bring him back.
If you remember the drama during the Odom signing, at one point Buss completely pulled the deal off the table after Odom didn’t take a low ball offer (man, thinking back, it was a lot like how the owners negotiated with the players this off season). Mitch pulled a miracle to get Odom more than Miami was offering.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think that Mitch's master plan was to piss Kobe off
And once Kobe is a blazing inferno of rage he’s going to average career highs in everything
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 7:52 PM PST reply actions
good plan
got us to the finals in 08 with that plan
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But he didn't post any career highs though
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let's stop the bleeding.
we should use that TPE to acquire LO’s replacement, add a backup big via mini-MLE, perhaps luck into billups or baron via amnesty, and nut up and get this season started.
Slava.
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I remember reading a Simmons article several days ago
that said the Wizards, if they amnesty Lewis, would be something like 35 million dollars under the cap. Seeing as they have to spend 85% of the cap on players, would they willingly accept Hedo’s contract in a 3-teamer to cover the 85% rule? Is it possible?
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
No, they realized that that would screw over teams under the cap.
So they instituted the rule that the amnesty doesn’t affect the salary floor.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
So for teams under the cap, an amnestied player's salary doesn't come off the books?
Then why would they use the amnesty at all?
No, it does come off your cap, but the salary counts against your salary floor.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
so the floor is lowered
by the same amount that comes off the books via the amnesty?
What if we keep Houston in a 3 way trade, but just with Orlando
Lakers give up Bynum & Pau, and receive Howard, Turkoglu & Scola
Houston gives up Scola, Martin & Dragic, and receive Pau
Orlando gives up Howard & Turkoglu, and receive Bynum, Martin & Dragic
I really dont think we need to bring in another PG. I think Morris coudl start for this team, and do a wonderful job. Use the Sasha TE on a backup C who isnt 40 years old, and use the Odom TE on a backup who could be our next 6th man, or start at PF. And if you arent sold on Morris, you could wait and see if Billups or B Davis make it through Amnesty waivers.
PG: Morris, FIsher, Blake
SG: Kobe, Barnes, Goudelock
SF: Metta, Turkoglu, Ebanks, Kapono (Walton gets amnestied)
PF: Millsap (odom TE), Scola, Caracter
C: Howard, Pryzbilla (sasha TE)
We get much younger and are pretty set with the future, with Howard.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
could also take varajao instead of millsap and start Scola
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
everybody gets what they want in the trade.
whats too hard to imagine. Millsap may be streching it, but i think we coudl snag varajao from cleveland. start scola and bring varajao off the bench.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I think we should try it
and see if Houston and Orlando would agree to it. Sure we’d lose both Pau and Bynum, but if we could net Millsap with one of the TE’s, it may be worth a shot.
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That makes so much sense...
That it probably won’t happen. That actually seems like a perfect trade scenario for all teams involved though I really like it
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"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Well, it aint all bad
at least it looks like the rooks we got this year can actually contribute.
morris/goudelock/kobe/pau/bynum lineup could be interesting.
Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian
So many bandwagons here, I'm not sure which one to jump on.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
I'm not really on a bandwagon
so you can join me? I love to eat, shop and drink. We could have crazy fun…
Ok. I honestly don't know anything about the rooks everyone is drooling over.
Links to insights on them?
here
goudelock – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJRhPHGK024
morris – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqvfEFGquAU
Maybe I'll just fade into Bolivian
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/6/25/2243381/draft-night-2011-a-study-in-contrasts
They’re not ready to start by any means, but they were solid picks in the second round.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I think Morris could be thrown into the mix and do very well.
He wont be incredible, but I think he is a better option (on both ends of the floor), than Fisher or Blake.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
I think he is better than Fisher for sure
I do want to see how Blake performs in a non-triangle offense first. If the still looks awful, and Morris looks at least capable of playing in the NBA with regular minutes, then Morris should start.
has this been posted?
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 1 hr
FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details RT @WindhorstESPN: Dwight Howard cites Magic GM Otis Smith’s refusal to take personnel suggestions for trade demand
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
lol
Yes Dwight, you are not going to NJ, You are coming to LA.
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well, that rules the lakers out
clearly he can see that the mitch doesn’t care for players opinons either seeing how everyone is upset with the odom trade…
you could say he does care
seeing how Odom asked to be traded
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
not that
but I do remember him saying he wanted a bigger voice.
so D12 was suggesting players they should go after and Smith wouldn’t listen?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
hahhahaa
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Does this mean for teams he wants to be traded to or players Orlando should go after?
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
laker practice just finished?
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I apologize if this was posted already. Kobe on LO Trade
“I don’t like it,” said Bryant. “To be honest with you, I don’t like it.”
Odom was not present at the practice facility while his teammates spoke to reporters and posed for photos in their gold home jerseys.
Bryant didn’t wait until it was official to speak about the trade.
“You’re talking about the Sixth Man of the Year last year,” Bryant said. “He played lights out. I don’t understand the criticism of reality shows and this, that and the other. I don’t get it. I don’t understand that. He had his best season last season, clearly wasn’t a distraction and he played his ass off. I don’t get where that comes from.”
Late Saturday night, Odom’s wife and reality TV co-star, Khloe Kardashian, tweeted, “I am curious as to how I am the cause for any trade?”
Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle also spoke before the deal was completed on Sunday.
“Right now, for me, having Odom, Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, we may have the best forward trio in this league right now. And that’s exciting,” Carlisle said. “Lamar Odom is a guy we have great respect for as a person and as an all-around player in this league. We feel he’s going to add so many different dimensions for us — length, playmaking, scoring, experience, championship experience.”
As Bryant continued to answer questions about Odom joining the team that swept the Lakers out of the second round of the playoffs last spring, his anger grew.
“Now I’m getting pissed off,” he said.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
ya know, reading it in context...
it seems like he’s saying he’s getting pissed off that they’re asking him the same question over and over again, not necessarily that he’s pissed off about the trade.
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That's exactly why he was pissed. They kept pressing and pressing about Lamar.
You know how Kobe is. He said he wasn’t happy about the trade and they wouldn’t let it go.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
That or because
they brought up it was to the team that swept them in the playoffs.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
watch the video for the above comments if you haven't already
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
ugh.
the worst/hardest part to read from all that was carlisle saying:
"Right now, for me, having Odom, Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, we may have the best forward trio in this league right now. And that’s exciting"
Slava.
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Rudy Fernandez is going to the Mavs? What!! damn! I have always thought
he would have been the perfect Kobe back up.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
lol dang!
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
aha! West turns down the Celtics
After talks with the Boston Celtics broke down Sunday morning, power forward David West agreed to a two year, $20 million contract with the Indiana Pacers, his agent, Lance Young, told Yahoo! Sports.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
I thought West wanted to play for a contender?
Wth.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
money talks
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
The Celtics aren't contenders.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
by SoCalGal on Dec 11, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well they've got a better chance than Indiana
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Do they really? I think their window finally closed which is sad because the rivalry won't be as meaningful for awhile.
I think they’re done. Especially this season where so many games are condensed in a few months.
I think their window is closed as well.
I just don’t think the Pacers are better than them
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I like them too
Gave the bulls a fight. I wanna see how this season unfolds for them but until then I just don’t feel it
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
@ZachLowe_SI
Important: @Jonathan_Feigen reports NOH/league asked HOU to replace Dragic with Lowry in aborted CP3 deal: http://t.co/uDHvXT7o
That’s ridiculous. Maybe Lowry instead of Martin, but the league overplayed their hand by a mile.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
so that's why the deal fell through?
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Utterly ridiculous
They make out like bandits, then ask for more. Serves Stern right if he gets nothing for CP3 and there are no buyers for a depleted New Orleans team without ANY good players.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
@ESPNSteinLine
Nene report: He’ll end up w/either Nuggets, Nets or Rockets. But consistent word on this is that Dwight/Marc Gasol sagas must play out first
Interesting. Implies that the Dwight saga will be resolved in the near future.
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Nets have obviously been pushing hard to complete trade for Dwight, but if DH12 winds up with Lakers instead then NJN surely turn to Brazil
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
hurry up and make up your mind dwight! YOUR KILLING ME!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
ain't up to him
it’s up to Smith
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
LARRY
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
are they really going to start releasing news
like at midnight, when I should be sleeping?!!!
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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o.o
T___T
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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LOL I'm just playing man.
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So do you play on PS3? If you do you should add me and we’ll play some time.
Bamboozled.
haven't played MW3 in a week
Due to Finals and the trade ralks but yea.
Send me a request(I’ll try to add you by wednesday :D). madmaxx350 is the id.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
Yeah I haven't played much either for the exact same reasons lol
I’ll send you a FR when I get a chance.
Bamboozled.
Wait what?
I thought the Nets were moving to Brooklyn, now they want to go to Brazil?!?!
Is that Basketball Reasonable enough?
oh man! this is too much. C'mon Dwight put us all out of misery
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Either way, it will be easier to move on.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Can the season starts already.
At this point i don’t care if we get smush parker back, i just need to see some lakers basketball.
(SCANDALS OR NOT WE SHOULD OF BEEN ABLE TO PLAY)(no excuses…) -God himself
You watch your tongue! His name will never be uttered again ;)
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
no thnx. I rather still have a lock out rather return to that era.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
by Jelly Bean on Dec 11, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
KB24/Smush/Kwame Stone-Hands > KB24/CP3/D12
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
you'd rather watch no basketball at all?
(SCANDALS OR NOT WE SHOULD OF BEEN ABLE TO PLAY)(no excuses…) -God himself
Holy Crap! Since I wanted to feel better about LO I went to the C's blog to lurk
and read their comments about West rejecting them. So I start readin all this Anti Larry Bird comments. I was wondering what was up and of course, because I’m slow, I realized that Bird is/was the GM for Indiana, the team David West went to. lol..that is awesome. Anyways, you have to see it to believe it..this was one of the comments I just had to post it:
Oh wait you don’t need to eleborate that I know what your talking about. He father a daughter when he was 21 and denied paternity to the kid for the longest time. Yeah I agree that’s pretty crappy if you ask me
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
by Jelly Bean on Dec 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol..yes! They are the worst fans in the sense that they are notorious on that site for saying
“i’m never watching another Celtic game again!!!” Funny stuff.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
did west reject them?
i never got a clear story on that
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talks "broke down"
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
signed with Indy
"The true athlete should have character, not be a character."- John Wooden
"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation."- Michael Jordan
twitter:@GGolden87
after all the recent events
i wish lewis monroe would come back and write another epic fan post. im sure hes got some basketball reasons to talk about
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That could be really useful right about now :)
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"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
lol i forgot i had the first comment on there
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/7/6/1555562/will-the-free-agents-all-get
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by Czheck on Dec 11, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it's still so funny lol
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
PUT THAT TEAM TOGETHER WITH ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYER GARENETT
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
LOL
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
Aww 67Marquez....
Where the hell is that guy?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
LOL, he hates the Angels and may hunt you down for saying that.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
lol
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LABRON!
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
PAT RAILLY!!!!
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
he only managed to get a few names right lol
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Feels like forever ago
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
The Nets are going in for the Kill
Building a team starting with Howard and D-Will is a much better option long term for Dwight if that’s what he’s looking for. Big Market city, New Arena and he doesnt hafta follow in Shaq’s footsteps as he obviously doesnt want to do. I seriously couldnt blame him if he’s pushing for that deal to be done.
It makes sense for Orlando to. They get a young center who will only get better,doesnt have a history of serious injuries and is still on his rookie deal plus they can unload Hedo’s contract while getting a cpl of 1st round picks…This is what we’re up against.
Da Bears....enuff said
let howard got to the nets...
when he has to contend wth having to wait a few more yrs to win a title, i dont care if the russian is a gazillionare, i just dont see him (howard) dethroning the heat, and the now resurgent knicks, and the bulls, for supremecy in the east. it would be entertaqining to say the least, but the nets wont be there for a few more yrs imo.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Should they get Howard they are 1 player away
It would be fun ta watch as neither the Heat or Knicks have anyone to stop D will or Howard…Match ups would be fun to watch
Da Bears....enuff said
Chicago vs NJ would be helluva series to watch...Rose vs Will and Howard battling Noah
Da Bears....enuff said
if he thinks its going to be an easier path to the finals in the east...
he’s mistaken. the teams i mentioned, and even the hawks are dangerous. howard will find out soo enough. besides deron williams who else is there? farmar?
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
hell idk lol
BUT if you’re building a team from scratch those are 2 nice pieces to start with
Da Bears....enuff said
nets? really dwight?
i dont see anything there why howard would want to be there!
http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/nj/new-jersey-nets
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
or players besides lopez who other teams would covet.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight obviously wants to play with
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I wouldnt underestimate his desire to make his own path
by NOT following in Shaqs. That alone could be enough to turn him from LA
Da Bears....enuff said
Hell in a few years the Lakers roster might look just like that one lol
except bigger contracts on older players. We havent prepared for the future whatsoever
Da Bears....enuff said
they tried emmcee..
but stern killed that youth movement.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 11, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ive been complaining about that for a while..Phil is partly to blame
His refusal to even look at younger/rookie players helped create the mess we’re heading to but he wins titles. How can you argue with that
Da Bears....enuff said
I just hope we dont follow the Bulls demise...It took them forever to return to relevance
Da Bears....enuff said
bad ownership
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
lol didn't we spend the last 2 days talking about how Lopez sucks
and people like you talking about how great he is?
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
In all fairness
Lopez doesn’t suck. He’s just not as good as Bynum.
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
no we went over this multiple times
In everything you want out of a center …. he sucks.
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
I guess I don't think of him much as a center
more as a Pau-light
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
except he doesn't even fit that?
Career Stats
Pau: 18.8 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 52.2% FG, 3.2 APG
Lopez: 17.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 50.4% FG, 1.6 APG
And this is with Pau being a second option on a team with a chucker, and Lopez being the first option on a team. Also, look at what DWill was able to do for someone like Boozer, yet Lopez’s game doesn’t change at all when DWill gets there?
Lopez is the epitome of soft, and overall is a really bad player that is being hyped out the ass.
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
Yeah, I mean you make a good point.
And there isn’t any doubt he’s not as good a player as Bynum or Pau (let alone both) but the idea that he’s a terrible player just isn’t correct. Over hyped? Definitely. Has very little upside? Yes. Mediocre? Sure. But terrible? I don’t think I’m willing to go that far. He’s no Kwame Brown.
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Kwame Brown is in a league of his own
That’s the worst possible insult you could throw at an NBA player
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
He's the primary rebounder on a team that shoots badly and he only gets 7.6 a game?
He’s their primary scorer, and he doesn’t put up 20/10 at least?
Straight up whoever drafted him (King) to be a cornerstone center is crazy. Trying to sell him to Otis as a cornerstone player is even more retarded.
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
Deron is their Primary scorer
Laker Bias aside, If i had to trade my franchise player for A. Severe injury prone player with potential or B. Generally solid player who isnt injury prone,makes less money aaand i can send out another terrible contract in the process while getting 2 1st round picks i would seriously think about B. That’s just the reality of the situation. How willing is Otis Smith to take a gamble on a 23 year old center who has played 1 full season in 6 years?
Da Bears....enuff said
LakersFoEva mentioned this possible and highly lucrative 3-team deal
I thought it deserves mention once again and hopefully more attention, but with the Trade Machine Link:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ytpnk7
To recap:
Lakers receive: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, Luis Scola
Rockets receive: Pau Gasol
Magic receive: Andrew Bynum, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic
Lakers do this trade for obvious reasons.
Rockets get their coveted Pau Gasol while giving up the same assets as originally planeed.
Magic get the centerpiece center of the future to go with one of the best scoring 2-guards in the league and a young and developing point guard to back up Jameer Nelson.
However, this trade works so well for all teams involved that it probably will never happen :(
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
*as originally planned
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
probably
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Holy shit
That trade actually makes sense, and it’s one I like! You deserve a cookie, good sir.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
If only we had done this before giving up Odom
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
LakersFoEva deserves that cookie
but thanks :)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
thanks man.
I really do like this trade. Then, try and go get millsap or varajao with the Odom te. get a backup center (like pryzbilla or someone similar) for the sasha te. And then you could even wait for a pg (b Davis or billups) to clear amnesty waivers and sign them for the mini mle.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
This is one offseason where making sense doesnt count for much lol
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by EmmCeee on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
Now everytime I hear a question the answer “basketball reasons” come to mind
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
that would be just...
I don’t know. I like it :P
I hate Scola though.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
42-1 on Barebones TDM classic ... BEAT THAT XBOXERS
I think
if he’s on your team, you’ll love him.
But I hate playing against him.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
i also independently thought of this trade as well. makes sense for all parties.
further, lakers can go on to acquire additional players with the exception and even get billups or baron via amnesty. that would be a nice way to recover from this whole CP3 disaster
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I got to go but I just have to say that if the Nets want Pau and Bynum I'd say
take them.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
*Magic
and that’s too much to give, in my opinion. Talent-wise, I’m fine with this, but Dwight Howard can’t take up all of their minutes and there’s a big difference in two 7-footers on the floor at once than one. If we can get back a legit PF in the process (e.g. Luis Scola), then they can both be traded.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
And...
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Well we might as well tank this season
get the top pick in the draft —> draft our superstar of the future —> win a few championships with him being mentored by Kobe —> he takes over and we win more championships.
I guess it’s pretty easy haha
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
harrison barnes is not the savior
i watched him play hs ball here in iowa
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lol i wasn't actually implying doing this trade and tanking this season
sarcasm haha
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
OH SHIT...
I just had a terrible nightmare. I dreamt that the Lakers traded Odom and Gasol for CP3, and then for some reason, some unknown basketball reason, the trade didn’t really go through, and instead of standing pat with our current team, we gave away LO to the Mavericks for a bag of skittles and and a twix. (haha, like we would ever give Odom up to the guys who humiliated us in the playoffs last year… pshhh!) I’m glad I woke up, because if that were true I would have to….
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
Ut oh
I can just imagine Stern in a red striped sweater and a fedora with a glove-full of knives.
Is that Basketball Reasonable enough?
haha! Nightmare on Figueroa and 11th Street!
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
That sounds like the plotline for the scariest movie ever...
Thankfully those types of things never happen, right?
.
..
…
RIGHT?
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
man i hope that shit never happens
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I certainly hope not steff... I really, really do. lol
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
doh! me and my reply FAILS
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Dec 11, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
lol it happens
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
woj
Veteran guard Chauncey Billups is crossing his fingers in hopes he will clear waivers at 6 p.m. EST Monday to become an unrestricted free agent. If he clears waivers, a Yahoo! source says to keep an eye on the Los Angeles Lakers or Miami Heat as possible destinations
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
he would look great in purple and gold.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Oh god, me too.
Frustrating…
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
yes! yes! i still hurt from 2004 as well.
in a way, it was even more hurtful then 08
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Losing to Boston
is always the worst.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When you have the solarminite, you have nothing - nor does the universe!
i mean this in the nicest way possible, but he's a younger, stronger, better shooting version of fish!
Slava.
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reasons for optimism
we can easily pick up billups/baron, and use our trade exceptions, and mini-MLE/veterans minimum to pick up 3-4 SOLID rotation players. all of that, with our only net loss being LO, would be quite a haul as we head into the season
Slava.
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Agreed.
If you are prepared to build around Bynum
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
even better if we trade for howard without giving up pau AND drew
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He's younger than fish?
Seriously??
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Crazy
I thought they were the same age, maybe fish being younger even. WoW
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
lol Fish was in college
when I was a kid. I almost went and saw a few of his games at UALR.
Little things used to mean so much to her- I used to think they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
Time certainly flies by...
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I was in College when Fish was in college
and I’m still in college
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
loser.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
lol - Have you seen Tommy Boy?
Tommy Boy: Lots of people finish college in 7 years.
David Spade’s Character: Yeah they are called Doctors
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
How would we be able to get him?
Pretty sure he wouldn’t go for the MLE….
Sign and trade?
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
Lamar Odom - "Half Swiss-Army knife, half Pez-dispenser" Meriones
he might
he said he doesn’t care about money
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Plus
doesn’t he still get his former contract money from the Knicks anyways? It just doesn’t count against their cap…
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
yes he does
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 11, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I can see him going to the Heat...
Gotta feelin he don’t like us
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
If he does I could see us signing BD
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Same
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Baron Davis.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Dec 11, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
He has to clear waivers first though
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 11, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Sweet.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Has anyone read his article and how upset he sounds (sort of)?
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
i just want to see these deals finalized. i want to know our roster and move forward.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
yup
"These are young men with too much money and too much fame for something as relatively inconsequential as sports, but this is entertainment." --Phil Jackson
by lakerdynasty on Dec 11, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Bynum on being traded for D12. apologize if this has been posted already.
On the heels of a wild few days in the NBA, the Lakers opened their doors in El Segundo this morning for Media Day. It was a day that Laker Nation hoped would bring some clarity to the confusing speculation being circulated, but instead, left most of us still scratching our heads, wondering what exactly would come next for the Lakers.
The most discussed rumors have suggested the Lakers package Andrew Bynum and their newly acquired $8.9m trade exception to the Orlando Magic for Dwight Howard. When asked, ‘Drew acknowledged the possibility of being included in a trade for Howard:
"If they were able to pull a move like that off, it would be great for the organization, and I’d be in Orlando, you know, hoopin’."
Hardly the portrait of stress, Bynum later clarified his somewhat passive stance on the situation:
"You don’t let it affect you. It just really doesn’t bother me because I know, wherever I am, I’m going to be happy and playing basketball."
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
he probably looks foward to being traded so that he can be "the man" in orlando
he’s been complaining about touches
Weird
I expected Bynum to be more passionate about it.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
He doesn't want to be Lamar Odom'd
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Drew has shown that he's pretty circumspect and intelligent; note all the times he doesn't provide a filter after losses and things like that.
Besides his wrecking of Barea, he generally handles himself pretty well.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I don't think it matters to him right now.
Either way he gets a chance to prove doubters wrong. The way I see it, wherever he ends up he is going to do his best to get people to forget about Dwight Howard
Bamboozled.
Yeah plus he'll get gobs of playing time
And be the focus of the offense, instead of playing 2nd or 3rd fiddle.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Maybe Mitch traded Odom for the 2012 first round pick to offer in a deal for howard.
I mean, if Orlando want’s to build a future, they could do worse with Bynum, a young and studly center, and another first round pick to continue to build their team.
Meh.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
i'm still confused as to how they plan on taking turkoglu's contract though
i think that will be a deal breaker, if we can’t take the turkey
Luke will retire, to help his team
And have a mini-version of his jersey retired as he is remembered as the man that brought Dwight to LA. He will also be offered a job as a Bro-caster, a job he’s been coveting for some time.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
Does that tattoo say Little Wheats?
Wtf?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
He named his other bicep
“Big Wheats”. He is right handed and had alot of “extra time” when he was a teenager, if you catch my drift. His Brytney Spears poster above his bed was well used…….errrr too much?
Personally, if the Lakers don't get Howard I will completely fine as long as he doesn't end up in ANY
of the following teams:
Celtics, Spurs, Bulls, Oklahoma, Heat or basically any team that poses a threat and can stand in the Lakers way. If he goes to the Nets or the Clippers it would just get a “meh” reaction from me.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Clippers are close to deal for Chris Paul with Hornets
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111212,0,2925892.story
It will destroy any integrity the league has if Stern allows Paul to go to another team not named the Lakers.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
But Clips are reported to match Warriors' deal
Jordan is RFA no?
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine him in a clippers jersey
Just doesn’t look right
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
KevinDing: Closing stages for Chris Paul to Clippers for Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe and precious T’wolves No. 1 pick, according to @BA_Turner.
Are they referring to Derrick Williams?
Or a first round pick?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
So...
How the hell is this better than our deal? This better get rejected
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
I honestly
don’t think it is. I know youth is awesome, but 3 proven players that are borderline all-stars in the west is a lot. I don’t know that those 3 players (Excluding Kaman) will EVER become something that good, even if they are much younger.
WoW
2 young players, a possible 1-10 draft pick, + Kaman is that worth it? Meh…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
This is the pick that the Wolves traded to the Clippers in the Marko Jaric-Sam Cassell deal in 2005
SMH
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Unbelievable
Am I the only guy who sees nothing in Aminu or Bledsoe? I don’t care if I’m rebuilding, I’ll take Odom, Martin, and Scola any day. I can flip those guys to contenders for much better young talent.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
IKR?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
these are definitely
“young” players. If young was all the league was looking for we shouldve just traded caracter, ebanks, and the two rookies we drafted for chris paul.
the 1st rounder from the Jaric trade, I assume
Which, frankly, I don’t know why is so valuable. Wolves aren’t THAT bad, and it’s not like a lottery pick is money in the bank. Certainly not as valuable as Gordon. Hornets definitely should have asked for Gordon.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hornets are a rebuilding team
younger players + a high draft pick are more ideal for them than guys in their 30s.
Yikes
Clippers would have lineup of CP3, Eric Gordon, Caron Butler, Blake Griffin and probably DeAndre Jordan, plus Mo Williams.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
Sounds like some shit I'd do on NBA2K12
Sucks though, I tried to do it with the Lakers but Stern stopped it…
For basketball reasons.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
This would be the trade that I enable Force CPU Trade
when I was a greedy kid and wanted it all.
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 11, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Now I really hope the Clips don't match the Warriors offer
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by ayeyoJERM on Dec 11, 2011 11:41 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
No LO? No CP3? Probably no Dwight?
I think it’s time I cry myself to sleep. Good night, everyone.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
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Don't worry about it.
The Lakers organization is always about winning. If we screw up this year we’ll make up for the next year. Never count us out.
Bamboozled.
If the Clippers get CP3 without giving up Gordon and we don't get Dwight,
the Pacific division is locked up for them for the next 10 years. They can take all the bandwagon fans too
normally I would agree
but I believe in the power of the clippers to screw it up. you gotta have faith!
yeah that team would be very scary but
clipper fans can count on Donald Sterling to find a way to screw it all up!
If we land Howard without giving up Gasol
I will be at ease. Until then, a;wlbnvas;lkdfna;slkfjvq;waelvnqads;l vnskhbese
"They should go into a box and one--put the box on Kobe and the one on everyone else" - Jeff Van Gundy
by Mister Larry on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
How can David Stern approve this Clippers trade over the Lakers trade?
The Hornets get MUCH, MUCH worse players than they would have gotten regardless of how young they are. Bledsoe and Aminu will NEVER be as good as Luis Scola or Kevin Martin. The NBA is fucking unbelievable what horseshit.
Okay, so there is a way we can do a straight-up Bynum/Howard swap and take Turk back without involving a third team.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8×7z2cy
I had originally thought that Blake was required in addition to Walton, but Barnes/Ebanks/Caracter is enough salary to account for that. So basically, if Luke’s back breaks down sometime in the next week or so and he retires, we’re okay. :p
On a more serious note, maybe they’re okay with taking back Walton’s deal since it only goes through next year and they get out of Turk’s deal. I ran the numbers for the NJ/ORL deal, and they can’t actually do a Lopez for Howard/Turk deal since the numbers don’t match up. They come up short even after an Outlaw amnesty by like $2-3 million. Let’s crunch the numbers (from ShamSports):
$40,921,102: Nets’ ‘11-’12 payroll
$33,921,102: Payroll after Outlaw amnesty (saves $7,000,000 in ‘11-’12)
$58,000,000: assumed cap
$24,078,898: cap space after Outlaw amnesty
$18,091,770: Howard’s ‘11-’12 salary
$11,015,850: Turk’s ‘11-’12 salary (28,831,700 total through ’14)
$29,107,620: total value of incoming salaries
$5,028,722: difference needed to be accounted for
$3,076,983: Lopez’s ‘11-’12 salary
So the Nets come up roughly $2 million short of what’s needed to legally complete the trade since they run out of cap space. I think Sham is counting players with non-guaranteed deals like Stephen Graham ($1,106,941, only guaranteed $100,000) and Sundiata Gaines ($884,293, fully non-guaranteed), but they also signed rookies Marshon Brooks and Jordan Williams, so that would account for the difference regardless. As such, the Nets have to send another player back to account for the difference in salaries, but someone like Damion Jones ($1,243,080) isn’t enough (and let’s assume Orlando wants more than the pu-pu platter of James, Gaines, and Graham). So unless the Nets find someone with cap space to pawn off say Farmar’s contract ($4,000,000) on, they send:
$4,000,000: Morrow’s salary ($8,000,000 through ’13)
So over the life of Morrow’s and Turk’s deal, Orlando saves:
$20,831,700: savings garnered between Turk’s and Morrow’s salaries
Obviously, they get the difference between Howard’s huge salary and Lopez’s miniscule one ($15 million or so), but 1) Lopez is due for an extension after next year, and given what centers are getting paid on this market, he’s liable to get something in excess of $10 million per, especially since if the Magic trade for him they’re going to consider him a franchise cornerstone; 2) this is obviously a massive downgrade, and Howard is a sunk cost going forward, so you can disregard this part of it salary-wise.
True, the calculus changes if New Jersey manages to pawn off Farmar and James for say another pick (although I find it difficult to imagine that either is worth anything close to that) to a team under the cap, so let’s assume they do so and manage to complete the trade fully under the cap. That saves Orlando the entirety of Turk’s deal, which as mentioned above, is $28,831,700.
So as I posted in the trade scenario above, the Lakers’ outgoing salaries would look like this:
$14,900,000: Bynum’s ‘11-’12 salary
$5,680,000: Walton’s ‘11-’12 salary ($11,480,000 through ‘13)
$1,906,200: Barnes’s ‘11-’12 salary
$788,872: Ebanks’ salary
$788,872: Caracter’s salary
$24,063,944: total outgoing salaries
However, unlike the Nets, the Lakers have a TPE they acquired in the Sasha trade (which was ironically, with the Nets, lol), so they can take back the awful deal of Chris Duhon as well as Howard/Turk (remember as we’re dealing with players, not cap space here, you can take in up to 125% of the salaries of the players you’re trading away):
$3,500,000: Duhon salary ($8,500,000 through ’14)
$32,357,620: total incoming salaries
So over the life of their deals, Orlando would save the following disregarding Drew and Dwight:
$25,851,700: difference between salaries of Turk and Duhon and Walton’s
Even if you chop off $2-3 million to account for Barnes and the rookies for the ‘12 season, that’s not that much of a difference in salary relief between the two trades. Naturally, Drew makes a lot of money and would cost the Magic around $12 million more in the ‘11-’12 season than Lopez (and since he’s due for an extension also, around $3-4 million a year more after that), but as we’ve discussed to death, Drew is a much better player than Lopez and has a far better chance of being a franchise cornerstone than Lopez could ever be, so I don’t think the Magic care in that regard.
As such, unless my numbers are horribly wrong (as it probably is, seeing as I’m terrible at math), there actually isn’t that much of a difference in long-term savings, even if New Jersey manages to get rid of Farmar and James. It becomes even MORE lopsided if you consider that with the Odom TPE, the Lakers can take on the deal of Quentin Richardson (due $7,882,200 through ‘14), although that probably scuttles any plan to get someone like Varejao (but would suggest one motive in getting a TPE from Odom), but it would push the total savings to $33,733,900 ignoring the Drew/Lopez/Howard salary differences and nearly account for the difference in salaries between Drew and Lopez in ’11-’12 regardless.
So yeah, have more optimism people. Unless of course, you poke holes in this and deflate my balloon of confidence, which is entirely possible seeing as I probably made a big mistake somewhere.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
o.o
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And to add insult to injury, we got a $8.9 million TPE back in the Paul trade, which could have been used...to do exactly what I mentioned above except we would have had Chris F***ing Paul on the team.
I guess keeping Pau and getting Baron or Chauncey makes that a wash (or possibly an improvement), but it’s disappointing like hell.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
i dont know if this is appealing to orlando.
I can see one thing they may like. After getting rid of arenas’ deal, they can also now get rid of turkoglus and duhons contracts. Yes, they will have to take on waltons, but they will only have one bad contract instead of two, and lukes ends a year sooner.
You can asking do this trade by taking out the sasha te, and adding in Blake for Barnes. Blake could b a decent backup for the magic.
It just depends if they want young players or draft picks. We could throw in the Dallas draft pick as well. But I think this is better for them by getting rid of bad contracts, and getting young talent.
"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung
by LakersFoEva on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
...did you read any part of my long screed beyond the trade proposal itself?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
by Ben R on Dec 12, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, "long screed".
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
I hope you're right
I would love to still have Gasol. I would hate to lose Odom, Bynum, AND Gasol for Howard. I just don’t think it’s worth it. I hope Mitch can actually pull this off
Bamboozled.
@Chris_Broussard
Clips offering Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, Minny’s unprotected 1st round pick for CP. League/NO wants Bledsoe put in deal. Clips mulling…
Okay, they’re putting both Gordon and the 2012 pick into the deal. I can live with this. Much more equitable.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
that's a tat too much
Four of their starters and a possibly good pick for one doubtful star pg?
Fine. You can have paul. Staples will still be laker territory at least in next 2 years with this gutting.
by bypasser on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Still, you're trading for a top five player. You have to give up important pieces.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Here's hoping he opts out and then signs with the lakers
with some kinda prearranged deal where he gets a couple of sponsors to make for the difference in salary the 1st year and resigns for a max contract =D I can dream
Aminu/Bledsoe/Kaman are crap offerings for CP3
no matter what draft this is.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
heard arenas has been cut with no buyers
Though i prefer billups and davis first, is he worth bench point and backup kobe minutes?
by bypasser on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
No, he's done. Athleticism is shot, can't play defense, still chucks shots up like he's in his prime.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
So I wake up and see this
CP3 to the Clippers?!!!
Fuck the NBA FO. Seriously.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Eric Gordon isn’t included in a revised Clippers-New Orleans deal for Chris Paul, league source tells Y! Sports.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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so right now
It’s Kaman, Aminu, and the pick?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 12, 2011 6:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
And probably Bledsoe
If not then that trade is no better than ours was
by 82 games of pain! on Dec 12, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yea it really isn't
Fucking bullshit man, it better not go through
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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It's still worse with Bledsoe
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Other than feeling like hell that the NBA messed up our plans
and possibly our chemistry. I feel for the Rockets who probably got their plans way more fucked up that us.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Per Woj
Dallas is trying to move Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer to create more cap space, league sources tell Y!
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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Comment from the fantasy king
I am at a loss for words for what is going on right now! Odom for draft considerations,this is all you get for the 6th man of the yr who is comming off is best yr ever! worse of all to the defending champions and mark cuban who was one of the owners complaining about the CP3 trade! this teams weakness is point guard, now you have weakend our strength,which was size without doing anything about the point! if we somehome make a trade for howard,it will have to mean either bynum,gasol and maybe both will be involved and still not helping the point guard position. As good as dwight is,he isnt worth odom,gasol and bynum.im just a fan and live way out here in kansas(grew up in nevada so have folllowed for yrs and yrs)so i dont know all the behind the scenes stuff going on,but i dont see the direction the Lakers are going! WTF ARE WE DOING!!!!
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
Tweetness
I guess it is time to panic.
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
"Fisher's defense is called escort service in my country, just accompany" -Ibou
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If Tebow were our GM...
He would do the D12 trade for Bynum plus alary cap fillers, then resurrect (Tebow knows all about resurrection!) the CPIII trade. Now that Odom is gone for a draft choice, we can trade Pau to the Rockets, and Odom’s draft choice to the Hornets. The Rockets can give the Hornets the same other package. So Stern gets the draft choice he wanted and ducks Odom’s salary, and the hornets get the current players they need to even fill out a roster from the Rockets. Basically the same pieces move. THe Lakes have the TPE for Odom so they get the cap room without the Hornets having to spend it. You have to assume the deal Delps made was the best he could get. Why is a better deal necessarily going to surface now? If no new deal shows up, what does Stern do, unless he just wants CPIII there for a new owner to negotiate with? Which actually would create some urgency for a buyer to get the team soon, while there still is a CPIII on the roster. Maybe some new expat Russian oligarch who wants to get his assets away from Putin and/or the Moscow mob like Cajun cooking. And remember that with Tebow, it always looks like you’re toast until he swoops in saves the day.
by celticandlakerfanreally on Dec 12, 2011 10:12 AM PST reply actions
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