Shannon Brown, Huh? Again?
The Lakers and Shannon Brown just don't know how to say goodbye. Each summer since the Bobcats traded him to Los Angeles, he's peddled his services on the free-agency market only to re-sign eventually with the purple and gold. Let's review the on-again, off-again saga....
- In 2009, after helping the Lakers to a championship, he signed a two-year deal that allowed him to opt out after one.
- In 2010 he exercised the opt-out and, according to his agent Mark Bartelstein, engaged in "serious talks" with half a dozen teams. But after the Lakers' courtship of Raja Bell fell apart (phew!), Shannon took less money than he could've made elsewhere to return as Kobe Bryant's backup.
- Then this past June, on the day before the lockout started, Shannon again elected to become a free agent instead of playing out the final year of his Lakers deal, which would've paid him $2.37 million. On the heels of their playoff obliteration in Dallas, that seemed to herald Shannon's final split with the organization.
Except... like a broken-up couple that can't resist one more booty call, Shannon and the Lakers are texting each other again to see if a little of the old magic is still there. Yesterday, the first day NBA teams were allowed to speak with player agents, the Lakers spoke with Bartelstein about maybe returning Shannon to the fold. Is this really a good idea? I thought we decided to see other people.
Look, we all have a soft spot for Shannon Brown. He's given us two really brilliant stretches of play: first in the 2009 playoffs, when his unsustainably scorching three-point stroke was a key part of the Lakers' title run, and then at the beginning of last season when, for about a month, he looked like a Sixth Man of the Year candidate. And even when he's not playing especially well he's just a fun guy to have around. He dates famous women, appears in sexy music videos and of course packs down a variety of entertaining dunks. How, I ask, can you not like Shannon Brown??
But at this point we're all extremely familiar with his limitations. He dribbles the ball aimlessly, he pulls up for terrible jumpers and he's not a dependable outside shooter. On defense, when forced to choose between going over or under a screen he'll choose wrongly 90 percent of the time. Watching him you get the sense that he's still more athlete than basketball player. His instincts can be so bad they make your hair fall out.
With that in mind, why are the Lakers knocking on his door again? It's all about the salary cap and the difficulty of matching needs with resources. The team has two big depth-chart holes that it needs to fill in the next few weeks - backup center and backup shooting guard - and they don't have much cap space to go around. They can use what's being called the "mini midlevel" exception, basically $9 million over three years, or they can sign bottom-tier guys at the veteran's minimum. That's pretty much it. They can also use their $5.5 million trade exception from the Sasha Vujacic deal a year ago, but that requires finding another team with a decent player they're willing to part with. In other words, there's not much flexibility here.
Shannon, if you can talk yourself into him, offers an escape from cap tyranny. The Lakers hold his Bird rights, meaning they could sign him to a decent-sized deal without touching their MLE space. That they could use to find a quality backup big man and hopefully avoid a rerun of the Theo Ratliff nightmare. It makes sense as a payroll tactic. If only it made more sense in basketball terms.
The Lakers could really use a backup shooting guard who can unlock a defense with the dribble and make threes. If they can't find someone to do both, they need to find someone to do one or the other. Shannon does neither, which makes him a terrible fit. The Triangle, moreover, is gone, so Shannon offers no advantage over other free agents in terms of his knowledge of the Lakers' systems.
Even assuming the Lakers don't have the firepower to shoot for one of the premier free-agent twos (Jamal Crawford, Jason Richardson, Arron Afflalo) there are plausible down-market alternatives. James Jones, for instance, is unrestricted and would be the best three-point shooter the Lakers have had in years. He made barely more than $1 million last year. Peja Stojakovic is out there. Marco Belinelli, too. At least some of these guys will be in the Lakers' price range and each would provide a much-needed new ingredient.
If that means having to skimp on a backup big, so be it. I mean, you have to sign a big man. Making Pau Gasol cover for Andrew Bynum during Drew's regular injuries and suspensions is doing it wrong. Pau will wear down, and it'll cost you toward the end of the year. So yeah, you need a real center behind him, but to be honest it doesn't have to be anyone super-dynamic. He just has to be large and bipedal. A healthy Ratliff would've done the job just fine.
I get that Shannon looks like a handy shortcut, but I don't think it's worthwhile except as a last option. (By which I mean, the option before you get to Tracy McGrady.) It's time to move on from the Shannon Brown era. I'm sure we can all remain friends.
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I completely agree. I love Shannon but....
I’m tired of his lack of ball handling and poor defense. As I said before, the cheaper alternative and better both in terms of ball handling and defense would be Blake. Especially if the Lakers manage to get Baron Davis I think Blake will serve better as a back up to Kobe than Shannon has.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Lakers & Shannon = Liz Taylor & Richard Burton
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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I'm one of the old timers here (33)...
And I barely got that one. So true though.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
by Joshua S on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, there are simply better alternatives available.
Although I would shudder to see Peja play two guard (he probably would just force Barnes over to that spot). Belinelli can shoot and he’s probably available for the minimum or a little above it, so that should constitute a pretty safe floor the Lakers can run off.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
LMAO
like a broken-up couple that can’t resist one more booty call
I don’t understand the interest we still have in him, I just don’t get it. He’s not useless, but there will eventually be better options out there.
Shannon has an inflated sense of his worth.
Think he’ll get the point this time?
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Once the throwing of wine glasses commences, friendship is out of the question.
It’s time to move on from the Shannon Brown era. I’m sure we can all remain friends.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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Daequan Cook, James Jones, Marco Belinelli, Reggie Williams, Mustafa Shakur,
Trey Johnson, Caron Butler, Derrick Brown, Tayshaun Prince, and few d-leaguers who could shoot the three.
Pretty much the best-case scenario for finding a backup SG.
Although some other team will probably offer him more than we can.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
I say that at worst if we can't get someone, sign him and use his larger contract as part of a trade
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Doesn't really make sense though.
Why would somebody not sign him now, and then be willing to trade for him at a higher salary.
I'm just saying if we somehow can't get anyone else and we end up signing him
then we can always package him with another deal to make salaries work or something. Not saying we sign him just to trade him.
sigh… I’m one of the few who wouldn’t mind him back in limited doses
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
It smells like a Jim Buss project.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
I think we should only remotely consider him
If the other FA and trade possibilities all fall though.
And even then….
Maybe im weird
I love having Shannon on this team. Without him the athleticism on this teams goes to nearly nothing
TV Journalist Chris Hanson is a cockblocker
by rocket8188 on Dec 1, 2011 1:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If the athleticism doesn't get us a banner, it doesn't mean much.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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word!!!
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
His athleticism brings highlight reel plays (read:dunks)
But it rarely impacts or turns around the game, and even though he’s athletic, he doesn’t make the wisest plays.
I think he’s place is on a lottery team where he can have fun and excite the crowd, not on a contender where his defense and knucklehead plays stand out as a weakness.
I think that's what kills any love of Brown that I could have
He’s so, so athletic that if he ever got his head on straight he could be a very solid player. It doesn’t even matter that he’s not that skilled, if he just knew what to do with that athleticism, he wouldn’t be backing anybody up. Instead, all he does is frustrate.
I'm a fan of Shannon
He’s a backup with the athleticism of a star, but he’s still young and he could still improve. He’s shown he has the ability, he just needs to be more consistent. Personally I have no problem with bringing him back at the right price. Especially because they carry his bird rights, so they can use the money they do have for free agency to avoid another Theo Ratliff situation, like you mentioned.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
What about Trey Johnson
For real, he didnt look half bad last year, and we could get him quite cheap.
I liked Trey J
but they also just signed two other PGs, I believe he’s too short to be a SG
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I could have sworn he was 6'6
If not I think he was 6’4, which is a little short, but not ridiculous.
Someone posted in SS&R at one point that Trey is committed to playing overseas for this year
I don’t know if its true or not, since most sports news outlets wouldn’t bother with an article about Trey
I'd be surprised if the Lakers can get one of the bigger name SG's on the market
I’d prefer Jones or Benelli out of the more likely candidates but if LA can get neither I wouldn’t be upset about resigning UPS
Doesn't really mean anything, but:
A number of teams made calls to Crawford’s camp on Wednesday including the New Jersey Nets, New Orleans Hornets, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Phoenix Suns and Portland Trail Blazers, according to sources close to the situation.
We don’t have the resources to get him and some team will overpay him, but he’d be an interesting fit. Given how moribund our bench unit is on offense, a semi-efficient gunner like Crawford would be beneficial, assuming Brown can coax him into playing some defense.
I still think the Lakers’ best choice is Mike Dunleavy. Enough veteran bigs are available for the minimum that I’d feel fairly comfortable offering most of the mini-MLE to Dunleavy.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Too bad he can't stay healthy...
He does a lot of good things when he’s on the floor though and he’s used to backup minutes.
One Raider/Laker Nation...under a groove.
by Zen and Tonic on Dec 1, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
He is a sick player on the perimeter
his handles, although slow, very effective when he is trying to create space.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Ode to the days...
of Eddie Jones, Terry Teagle, and Byron Scott….Lets give Byron Scott a call. I’m sure he can still make a few jumpers and 3 pointers off the break.
I don't think we can get out of his contract with Cleveland
Maybe we can trade Fisher or Blake for him?
Well, the rationale is
that they want to get rid of Iggy and bring up Evan Turner. Luke retires and they amnesty World Peace. Then, they have a lot more cap space for 2012. Maybe toss in Ebanks or whichever young players the Lakers have?
You can only amnesty a player that was on your team as of July 2011 so only the Lakers can amnesty Artest
Also, it would be a big risk for the 76’ers to take on Walton on the verbal promise that he will retire (I am not sure whether it can be written into the trade contract).
Iggy is a borderline All-Star and the 76’ers should be able to get a borderline All-Star talent in return.
I wish
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Is Affalo really out of reach?
If we Amnesty Artest (whatever), we need defense. Lord knows Kobe can’t bring that every night.
Affalo is a
Restricted Free Agent. No way the Lakers can get him.
one hit wonder...
Ron Artest Dfensive stud.
by Sarge Clemins on Dec 1, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
oh shit!!!
welcome back sir.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Hey my man!
Been busy as shit lately.
Ron Artest Dfensive stud.
by Sarge Clemins on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
you need to, if you haven't already, say whats up to SCG
she was saying how much she missed you and she couldn’t go on another day until you came back. Jk. about the 2nd part. but she did say she missed you.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
LMAO!
where is she at? Always lurking that one is!
LOL
HELLO! FOOK YEAH!
Ron Artest Dfensive stud.
by Sarge Clemins on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised she isn't here
but i’m sure she will show up. She is always lurking.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
are we gonna get some Mutha FOOKin MAMBA venomonous assassin shit soon or WAHT?!?!
Ron Artest Dfensive stud.
by Sarge Clemins on Dec 1, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
I sure as hell hope so. Fuck man! I'm siked.
btw..you should go over to The Bar (overflow) thread. Thats where the cool people hang out.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
He might get overpaid
People do well in the Finals just prior to free agency
Seem to have a better chance of getting a big payday from either their old team or a new team.
It's truly sad that Shannon Brown can't dribble penetrate...
I always wished it would develop, like Ariza’s shooting. If Shannon could dribble penetrate and dunk, and even be a mediocre passer, he could be AMAZING with his athleticism and dunking ability.
I’d give my left nut for Jamal Crawford scoring off our bench. He plays PG occasionally too, correct?
Everything you said
Speaking of Ariza. I would love him back.
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
Shannon's a Good Deal
Lakers used him as a 7/8 guy last year and paid him 11/12 money. He kind of looked like his role was too big for him by the end of last season but even still the amount of production the Lakers get out of him is a bargain, assuming resigning him just costs the standard 20% raise.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Dec 2, 2011 1:52 AM PST reply actions
I'd give my left nut for a 20% raise.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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lol dork!
"Hate me or love me. Its one or the other; always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Jelly Bean Bryant
What can Brown do for you?
GET OUT DA WAY!
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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