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The Amnesty Clause: Looking for Opportunities

One of the overarching goals of the owners in these collective bargaining discussions has been to create an environment in which they are protected against their own poor decision-making in giving oversize contracts to otherwise undeserving or mediocre players who become nothing more than dead weight for their franchise. The amnesty clause is the immediate, short-term way to be rid of one of these deals, allowing owners to waive a player without his salary counting against the salary cap or luxury tax. Of course, one team's trash is another team's treasure, and the Lakers in particular stand to benefit from the introduction of a number of useful free agents into the market, most of whom will continue to be richly compensated by their previous deals and are likely to accept a discount in a more cash-conscious environment.

Courtesy of ESPN's Marc Stein and Chad Ford, whose article also included the unsurprising revelation that Luke Walton is considering retirement, we have a comprehensive list of possible amnesty targets for every team in the league. As I noted in the piece on Walton's possible retirement, the list of possible amnesty targets for the Lakers includes Metta World Peace and Steve Blake, and the decision on who gets the axe will depend greatly on the Lakers' actions in the free agent and trade market once the lockout ends. In any case, after the jump, we will review the possible amnesty candidates for each team, how they could possibly fit with the Lakers, and whether the Lakers would be interested in their services.

Star-divide

From here, we'll go down the list alphabetically, listing Ford and Stein's most likely amnesty candidate along with that player's current contract:

Atlanta Hawks: Marvin Williams ($24,937,500 through 2014, with early termination option in 2013)

The long lambasted pick of Billy Knight, who chose Williams rather than a certain Chris Paul in the 2005 draft, Williams is a reasonably productive wing with decent defensive chops who has no business being paid like a third or fourth wheel on a good team. Ford and Stein raise doubts over whether the Hawks' convoluted ownership situation may stop them from using the amnesty on Williams, but it looks like an easy decision considering that the Hawks have to stick with the ghastly contract they gave Joe Johnson last summer. Williams would be a decent fit for the Lakers if the rotation at the three wasn't already one of the team's strengths, with World Peace, Barnes, and Ebanks providing a generally solid rotation, and even if he came at a cheaper price, using the amnesty on World Peace to open a spot for Williams wouldn't be considered much of an upgrade.

Verdict: Pass.

Boston Celtics: Jermaine O'Neal ($6,226,200 through 2012)

Ford and Stein rightly question the logic in a contending team jettisoning a relatively solid backup in O'Neal when the team is fully willing to pay the luxury tax and they have concerns elsewhere to fill. Even if the Celtics signed Jeff Foster, he wouldn't be that much of an upgrade on O'Neal, who is still a decent defender even if he is nowhere near the imposing player he was in his prime. If the Celtics did release him, O'Neal would definitely be the best non-Foster big available on the market, but he's not so much better than the other options available that courting him would be a priority.

Verdict: Sign for minimum if available.

Charlotte Bobcats: DeSagana Diop ($20,776,200 through 2014 with player option in 2013)

It wouldn't be remiss to describe Diop as one of the worst midlevel signings ever, as he has repaid that contract with downright pathetic production and never really showed that defensive utility he was drafted for. Even if he was serviceable on that end, Diop is such an anemic offensive player that he makes Kwame Brown look like Hakeem Olajuwon, and Kwame will also be available in free agency for that matter

Verdict: Pass.

Chicago Bulls: None

A relatively young team, the Bulls have their house in order, and calls from Bill Simmons to amnesty Carlos Boozer otherwise, they're likely to sit on the provision for the moment.

Cleveland Cavaliers: Baron Davis ($28,650,000 through 2013 with early termination option in 2012)

One of the more obvious amnesty choices in the league, Davis is grossly overpaid for his production and the lackadaisical attitude he brings for a rebuilding team. Ford and Stein do note a few caveats, namely that the Cavs believe they may be able to wring some assets from trading Davis and that Gilbert is terrified that Davis will head straight to Miami the moment he releases him. Both, however, seem to be farfetched, especially in light on a recent report from Stein that the top choices Davis would consider after his amnesty are the Knicks, Bobcats, and hometown Lakers.

Now, before you scoff at the notion of Davis joining the Lakers, consider the current situation at the point. The team desperately needs a serviceable point guard, especially with Brown implementing a more traditional offense, and Derek Fisher and Steve Blake are both highly inadequate solutions at the moment. Also consider that even if you think that Davis has been lazy and mailed it in on bad teams, he's had two straight years of 17+ PER production, which is light years beyond anything Fisher and Blake have done in their entire careers, not to mention last season. If you think Davis will act up and not give a crap, I refer you to a certain Kobe Bryant who will be sharing the same backcourt with him, along with the fact that he'll be going to his hometown team that happens to be a contender, not a perennial bottom feeder.

When motivated, Davis is still a force in this league and his downright freakish athleticism hasn't decreased too much with age. He also is a solid pick-and-roll operator and set-up man who definitely can run Brown's offense, and more than that, create opportunities from the perimeter, which the team has needed ever since Kobe's injuries began to limit his efficacy in that department. He'll have to cut down on the gunslinging from behind the arc and defend with some better fundamentals, but even with his faults, he's a vastly superior solution than any of the Lakers' current points or any other option available in free agency. Assuming the MLE makes it out of the CBA discussions as an option for teams in the tax, which looks like the case, Davis can likely be had for a pittance, especially since he'll likely be one to give a hometown discount to chase a ring.

Verdict: Sign, sign, sign.

Dallas Mavericks: None

Although this may be a bit of a surprise given that Brendan Haywood has a huge contract for a backup player and the player in front of him, Tyson Chandler, is due for a big raise, Ford and Stein claim that the Mavs believe that they can always trade Haywood if need be and have no plans to use the amnesty clause. Even with his poor play last year, Haywood would likely command a decent-sized salary that would be beyond what the Lakers are willing to pay, and there will be cheaper options available.

Denver Nuggets: Al Harrington ($27,672,000 through 2015 with last two years non-guaranteed)

Harrington isn't that overpaid for his production, but on a team with an otherwise solid set of contracts, he definitely is the black sheep. Ford and Stein present the fair point that with Kenyon Martin playing in China and unavailable until late in the season, the Nuggets may hold onto Harrington until they can figure out their rotation at the spot, especially in regards to whether they can resign franchise center Nene. If the Nuggets do release Harrington, he would be a poor fit for the Lakers given that he's restricted to the four and will command more than the minimum, so unless the Lakers ship Odom off for Andre Iguodala or Monta Ellis, consider this unlikely.

Verdict: Pass.

Detroit Pistons: Charlie Villanueva ($24,180,000 through 2014 with player option in 2013)

One of the two terrible deals Joe Dumars gave out in the summer of 2009 -- the other being Ben Gordon, another possible amnesty candidate -- Villanueva has not lived up to the star billing his contract conferred. This noted, the more obvious amnesty solution in Rip Hamilton, who had a tumultuous relationship with former head coach and current Laker assistant John Kuester, has been downplayed as an amnesty candidate by Ford and Stein, who note that the Pistons still believe that there might be takers for Hamilton near the deadline -- (cough) Bulls (cough). In any case, Villanueva has much of the same problems that Harrington would have in fitting in with the Lakers' rotation, as he's set at the four. Gordon would be an intriguing option for the backup two guard spot if he were released, but he might be out of the Lakers' price range.

Verdict: Pass.

Golden State Warriors: Charlie Bell ($4,099,920 through 2012)

Bell is essentially the default solution after Ford and Stein dismissed the two more prominent candidates in David Lee, whom the Warriors' management still thinks highly of, and Andris Biedrins, who they think they can trade if necessary. With those out of the way, Bell is a serviceable defensive guard but has few other skills, and will likely struggle to latch onto a team whichever way he exits from his current contract.

Verdict: Pass.

Houston Rockets: None

As expected of stat guru David Morey, Houston's roster is filled with nothing more than bargain deals with no amnesty option in sight. Good management tends to do that.

Indiana Pacers: Dahntay Jones ($5,600,000 through 2013 with player option in 2012)

According to Ford and Stein, whether Indy decides to amnesty Jones depends largely on how they can use their cap space in 2012, and they might hold onto him until then since their payroll is otherwise fairly clean. If Jones was released before then, it's unlikely the Lakers would consider him given his offensive limitations, even if he did seemingly turn over a new leaf last year at that end, and there are better options available in free agency for the backup two guard spot.

Verdict: Pass.

Los Angeles Clippers: Ryan Gomes ($8,000,000 through 2013)

In the never-ending story of Donald Sterling's incompetent management, Ford and Stein give us this gem in that Sterling, ever reluctant to pay players or coaches when they're not actually playing for him, not only would decline to release Gomes, but would have waffled on using the amnesty on Baron Davis. Yikes. As for Gomes, he's a three who plays best as a smallball four, and both spots are more than filled on the Lakers' roster.

Verdict: Pass.

Memphis Grizzlies: None

No one leaving here. The Grizzlies are ready to go ahead with a Gay-Randolph-Gasol core and Heisley finally sounds ready to back a winning team.

Miami Heat: Mike Miller ($24,000,000 through 2015 with player option in 2014)

Talk over whether Mike Miller was heading to the Lakers generated quite a bit of excitement at SS&R last offseason and for good reason: Miller brought shooting, passing, rebounding, and heady play at a position of weakness and was one of the better B-list free agents available. Cue last season, after which Miller's stock is much lower, as even if one considers that the start of his season was derailed by an injury, he failed to be that key source of spacing who could play off LeBron James and Dwyane Wade in Miami and appears horribly overpaid. Ford and Stein describe the situation concerning Miller's possible amnesty as tenuous, as Miami might amnesty him to go after a point guard and center, especially considering that Miller plays at the same position as LeBron. He's not a great fit for the Lakers either with Barnes at the backup three spot and Miller would be especially challenged at the two guard spot.

Verdict: Pass.

Milwaukee Bucks: Beno Udrih ($14,297,600 through 2013 with player option in 2012)

Although Drew Gooden might appear to be a better candidate, Ford and Stein claim that Milwaukee values his presence in the frontcourt more than Udrih's in a crowded backcourt behind Brandon Jennings. If Udrih gets released, he undoubtedly would be a top target for the Lakers, as he's had two solid seasons of production that almost justify the overgenerous deal he originally received from the Kings. Behind Davis, he would likely be the second best point guard available at the market, and as previously noted, the Lakers need help at the position in the worst way.

Verdict: Sign.

Minnesota Timberwolves: None

Luckily for Kahn, being terrible at the draft at least means that you don't have a bunch of terrible contracts, and Ford and Stein assure us that Kahn is still enamored with the awesome potential of Darko Milicic.

New Jersey Nets: Travis Outlaw ($28,000,000 through 2015)

Probably the worst signing of the fabled 2010 offseason, "overpaid" doesn't even begin to describe how terrible this deal was for the Nets and how quickly he'll be released whenever the lockout ends. Outlaw shouldn't interest the Lakers any either, as he's a three who can work as a smallball four, and like Ryan Gomes, there's no opening for a player like that in the Lakers' rotation.

Verdict: Pass.

New Orleans Hornets: None

Unfortunately for the Lakers, Ford and Stein assure us that the Hornets still want Trevor Ariza to hoist a bunch of long twos a game, and with David West and Carl Landry possibly leaving in free agency, Emeka Okafor is also too valuable of a commodity to release.

New York Knicks: Renaldo Balkman ($3,350,000 through 2013)

Balkman is an odd choice given that he makes such a pittance, but out of all the deals on the rejuvenated Knicks roster Donnie Walsh engineered, his is the only one the Knicks would consider releasing. An energy player who can play the three and be a smallball four, Balkman has no place on the Lakers.

Verdict: Pass.

Oklahoma City Thunder: None

It's a Sam Presti-run team. That should tell you all you need to know, although they might regret that Perkins contract in a few years and that they passed on Tyson Chandler a while ago.

Orlando Magic: Gilbert Arenas ($62,423,762 through 2014 with early termination option in 2012)

If there is a poster child for the amnesty clause, Arenas is it. Abe Pollin, bless his soul, thought Arenas could lead the team to a title and he repaid Pollin with various injuries, the infamous gun incident with Javaris Crittenton, and being so terrible that Washington had to trade him for the second or third worst contract in the league in Rashard Lewis. It's hard to make excuses for how poor Arenas' play was last season, especially given how dominating of a force he was in the league only a few seasons ago, but it's doubtful that there's anything left there to wring out of him. Maybe he has a comeback similar to Tracy McGrady, who reinvented himself as a point forward, but that appears highly unlikely. Unlike Davis, he's not worth the effort to deal with his personality and his recent production doesn't justify such a gamble.

Verdict: Pass.

Philadelphia 76ers: Andres Nocioni ($14,150,000 through 2013 with team option in 2012)

You might think Elton Brand would be here, but Brand had a comeback season last year that proved that he's still an above average frontcourt player, and head coach Doug Collins is fully in his camp. Nocioni, on the other hand, is a hustle player whose wheels have come off, and while he's not terrible, his contract makes him a clear amnesty candidate for the Sixers. Like many examples on this list, Nocioni plays at the three, and the Lakers will be happy to let him go to another team.

Verdict: Pass.

Phoenix Suns: Josh Childress ($27,000,000 through 2015 with player option in 2014)

Childress is an interesting option since despite last year's struggles in Phoenix, he was a reasonably productive player, and one can imagine that the right circumstances would allow him to return to the level he played at in Atlanta. An athletic, heady wing who rebounds well for his position, Childress' shooting limitations might make the Lakers a poor fit, but at the right price, he would be a solid backup at the two for Kobe. Ford and Stein report that Lon Babby, Phoenix's GM and Childress' former agent, hasn't decided one way or another, but Childress definitely looks like the easiest amnesty choice on the roster.

Verdict: Sign if available for a little over the minimum.

Portland Trail Blazers: Brandon Roy ($68,698,940 through 2015 with early termination option in 2014)

Roy's position here is a bit sad given that he's only a year removed from ranking only behind Kobe and Wade among the league's two guards, and now due to his knee problems, he's one of the league's worst contracts. Sentimental value might delay the axe from Portland's management, but there's really no choice here given how much of an anchor Roy is on Portland's payroll. As for Roy as a player, it's much more likely that the limited Roy we saw during the regular season represents his current status going forward than the throwback Roy who led a magical comeback against the Mavs in Game 3. Even limited, he still brings value due to his ballhandling, smarts, and decent midrange game, but you always have to wonder how much he can play given the extent of his knee injuries. Certainly, he could adapt to his circumstances and find a way to thrive, but that seems less likely than him continuing to struggle. He's not a bad option for the Lakers' backup two guard spot at the right price, but you have to think that the Lakers will go with a safer option.

Verdict: Sign if available for a little over the minimum.

Sacramento Kings: None

Although Francisco Garcia and John Salmons might seem like natural amnesty candidates, Ford and Stein indicate that the Kings might struggle to meet the minimum payroll floor that might be in the new CBA, so for the moment, Sacramento will sit and weigh their options.

San Antonio Spurs: Richard Jefferson ($30,492,000 through 2014 with player option in 2013)

The Spurs' owner Peter Holt is apparently one of the biggest advocates for allowing teams to pocket the amnesty provision for later use, as the team likely wants to keep Richard Jefferson, even at prohibitive cost, for at least one more year to chase a title before Duncan rides off into the sunset. If not, then the stronger luxury tax may force the Spurs' hand, and on an otherwise very well-constructed team, Jefferson's poor contract stands out, and recent lottery pick Kawhi Leonard is waiting in the wings to take over. Gregg Popovich has effectively broken Jefferson into a serviceable role player at the three, and he would be an upgrade on the wings, but he's almost certainly out of the Lakers' price range.

Verdict: Pass.

Toronto Raptors: None

Ford and Stein present Jose Calderon and Linas Kleiza as possible candidates to be released, although extenuating circumstances may keep both on the other side of the border. Calderon is the team's only serviceable point guard, so he might be staying despite his overly large contract, and the Raptors are looking as to whether insurance will cover part of Kleiza's deal due to his recent knee surgery. While Kleiza is another three who can masquerade as a smallball four -- if you haven't noticed the pattern here yet, these guys habitually get overpaid -- Calderon is an interesting option at the right price given his solid shooting and passing ability despite his matador defense, and Pau would undoubtedly delight to have one of his Spanish national team teammates alongside him in L.A. While Calderon has declined somewhat from his hyper-efficient '08-'09 stature, he still would have a lot of value should he find himself released.

Utah Jazz: Mehmet Okur ($10,890,000 through 2012)

The Jazz are deliberating over whether to release Okur given the crowded frontcourt with top five pick Enes Kanter added to a rotation that also includes Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, and Derrick Favors, particularly since they believe that a sweet shooting big like Okur, even with his recent injuries, still has value around the league. If they don't hold onto Okur, it's likely that they will release Raja Bell, who left Kobe hanging in a meeting to recruit him to L.A. last offseason. Bell likely won't interest the Lakers given the degree to which he declined last year, but Okur would be an intriguing addition to the frontcourt due to his ability to spread the floor, and if he is available for part of the MLE, the Lakers should be inquiring about him.

Verdict: Sign.

Washington Wizards: Rashard Lewis ($43,836,182 through 2013 with last year non-guaranteed)

Poster child number two for the amnesty provision behind Arenas, Lewis' absurdly large contract for Orlando was justifiable given how valuable he was in Stan Van Gundy's system, but he's declined greatly from his better years, and definitely isn't worth the huge amount of money he's currently making. His status as a stretch four is notably less interesting to the Lakers than other teams given the presence of a certain Lamar Odom, although he possibly could be an option if Odom is traded following the lockout. Either way, the Lakers have bigger priorities at other positions, and Lewis likely would command a sizable enough salary to push him out of the Lakers' price range.

Verdict: Pass.

As we can see, the amnesty clause significantly opens up the free agent market for the Lakers and makes available a number of interesting players who represent tangible upgrades for the Lakers at key positions of need. Although many of these players would be considered reclamation projects to a certain extent, they provide many advantages over the comparable options in the free agent or trade market, as in the case of Baron Davis, Mehmet Okur, or Brandon Roy. Altogether, outside of a major trade, taking advantage of these amnesty candidates likely is the best way for the Lakers to fill the holes in their rotation and improve this offseason, as they turn other teams' mistakes to their advantage.

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Poll
Which potential amnesty candidate should the Lakers sign following the lockout?
Baron Davis. Upgrade at point guard and still an explosive player.
273 votes
Brandon Roy. Believe that he still has some clutch magic left.
151 votes
Beno Udrih. Solid backup and safe option at the point.
70 votes
Josh Childress. Athletic swingman with a solid overall game.
17 votes
Mehmet Okur. Sweet shooting from the center position.
31 votes
Rashard Lewis. Stretch four who offers versatility.
28 votes
None of them. Look elsewhere to fill the roster.
49 votes

619 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm a fan of Baron Davis and it would be nice to put Jessica Alba in our stadium

since she and he are close friends :)

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by afrikabamboodle on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

yes

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by lakerdynasty on Nov 3, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer Brandon Roy because of his efficiency and ability to take over a game.

He can do so off the bench SG, SF, or PG (certain matchups, of course). Josh Childress and Marvin Williams are intriguing options.

by E-ROC on Nov 3, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Have to disagree with the Baron Davis enthusiasm.

Baron had too many distractions in the L.A. scene and let him self go mentally and physically. For a fire sale price, maybe it’s worth a shot.

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by Joshua S on Nov 3, 2011 1:27 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

B Diddy is easily the most frustrating player in the NBA. And after hearing what Shaq said about Mike Brown on the Cavs do we really want the Brown-Bryant fued, Brown-Davis fued, Bynum-Bryant fued, Gasol-Bynum fued, and Bryant-Davis fued all in the same season.

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by rocket8188 on Nov 3, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Not only are you treating Shaq as an authoritative source on well, anything, you believe that Baron would lead to basically the collapse of the locker room? Really?

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by Ben R on Nov 3, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd correlate that more with the fact that he was on the Clippers

And realized that the team was going nowhere after Brand broke off his handshake agreement to resign with the Clippers if Baron did as well. He did seem embarrassed enough by his godawful ‘08-’09 season to put more of an effort in (14.54 PER to 17.47 in ‘09-’10), and he was a pretty solid set-up man for Griffin when he was in L.A. last year. We would only sign him for a pittance in any case, and I’d imagine he’d be pretty willing to take that.

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by Ben R on Nov 3, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy

dont think he’s quite done yet. If he can regain a fraction of the ability he had before the injuries, that would be a pretty good upgrade over what we currently have off the bench.

by shaqfor3 on Nov 3, 2011 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Hell, if he can do what he did in the playoffs, we'd be okay.

Of course sustaining that would probably be an issue, but damn, that was impressive.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 3, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

but it was for only one game

he wasn’t like that for much more than that

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by Marty Mart on Nov 3, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see him on the Lakers (2nd favorite player after Kobe).

Even if he continues to regress, at least he’ll pick up a significant amount of minutes from Kobe, which means a healthier Kobe with fresh knees come playoff time. That alone would be worth signing him, IMO.

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by LakerAce on Nov 3, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy would be Kobe's best back up ever.

He probably wouldn’t want to back up Kobe but, a solid back up for Kobe means Kobe is fresher and much more dangerous come playoffs and playing behind Kobe takes minutes off of Roy and lets him stay healthy and just worry about scoring. It would also be nice to watch Roy beat up on the Blazers several times a year as a Laker :)

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by afrikabamboodle on Nov 3, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mitch Richmond

He was actually Kobe’s best backup ever but Kobe didn’t need a backup back then.

by Derek Fisher Fan on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

rashard lewis is an interesting choice

he can be an option for strengthening the frontline. and he brings perimeter shooting, and we all know the lakers need both.

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by LOOOeee on Nov 3, 2011 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

of course, i made a pretty strong stance for baron yesterday

and i stand by that.

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by LOOOeee on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't see the Spurs using the amnesty on Jefferson.

Everyone thought he was nuts for opting out a year early after his terrible first season with San Antonio, only to get another sweet deal from them. They have to be somewhat sold on his contribution, no?

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by wondahbap on Nov 3, 2011 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Spurs will use the amnesty clause on Jefferson.

He doesn’t provide much of anything outside of outside shooting. I think they could find that at a much cheaper rate with other skills such as defense and passing ability. I’d do it. They need to get younger with more skill quickly.

by E-ROC on Nov 3, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why they want to be able to sit on the amnesty clause

And chase a title at least one more year with this core before deciding what they’re going to do with Duncan. If they can’t, they may be forced to amnesty Jefferson to get those savings that they’ll need under the more punitive luxury tax. One way or another, they did land Kawhi Leonard in a nice draft day deal, so they may believe that he can fill that role.

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by Ben R on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Roy! Brandon Roy!

I would love to see him on the Lakers. Balky knees and all, he’s still an improvement over Shannon Brown (who I love, but who has bad basketball IQ) Plus, LA can always send Brandon to see Kobe’s miracle-working knee doctor, so it’s worth the risk!

Rashard Lewis is also very interesting. He’s not worth his current contract, but in limited minutes, he is a decent player. Anyone know if he can play at the 4, or is he strictly a big 3?

by SmokeAndAshes on Nov 3, 2011 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Kobe's knee therapy would not help Roy,

because Roy doesn’t have any cartilage left to heal.

by LAMojo on Nov 3, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that's right where Chris Paul might be in a few years

So buyers beware next summer.

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by Ben R on Nov 3, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lewis can play the four and is probably better at that spot at this point in his career

SVG made him into a serviceable frontcourt defender; he won’t rebound all that well, but he’s developed some decent fundamentals for the position. At the three though, he’s just outmatched in terms of speed and can’t stick with smaller threes on the perimeter. He has some advantages at the three on offense since he can post-up smaller players, but that wastes his advantage of being a stretch four that opens the floor up more.

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by Ben R on Nov 3, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info :)

I like that Rashard can play the four, he can be extra insurance for the bench whenever Lamar is in with the starters (kinda like the role Joe Smith was traded for, but never really played last year). Plus, he’s a decent 3-point shooter, iirc, and Lord knows the Lakers need help there!!!!

If Rashard is willing to agree to a minimum contract, I really hope LA signs him.

by SmokeAndAshes on Nov 4, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Even banged up KG ate Rashard for breakfast. Repeatedly, year after year after year.

by Wintersun on Nov 9, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

why not

If davis, roy, lewis and to a stretch okur could be offered contracts at the same time, why not? We have a contending team, a great market and fanbase for extra cash and badly-needed attention, they have their exit paycheck to live on and kobe. Say 2 of yhem say yes, we could split mle or use vets minimum and get another one not on the list. At this point am implying walton retires, we pardon ourselves for blake or mwp, and some bench guys become trade bait or fodder in something that does materialize. 2k12 stuff I know, but a starting lineup of bdiddy, kobe, iguodala, gasol and d12 with dfish, morris, roy, barnes, lewis, caracter and diop with change isnt that bad…but i digress and should be shot for pipe dreaming. But we’d be much better than the all-star blazers with this. Oh just get them all. Go Lakers

by bypasser on Nov 3, 2011 6:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I think Udrih is a much more controllable player than B.Diddy

He is also younger, and probably a better fit for this team in that he is not a chucker. I would think he is probably the top target for the Lakers.

by NewCavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

My heart says B. Davis but my mind says the best bet would be

the player who has most of the following qualities which equate to what the Lakers need most:

-An additional, young, athletic perimeter player who can create his own shot. I’m tired of Shannon Brown.

-A young, athletic player who can shoot the three and defend on the perimeter.

-A quick athletic point guard that isn’t a liability on the defensive end.

I would be happy if the Lakers find a player who can come closest to meeting those needs.

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by Jelly Bean on Nov 3, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Udrih is on the bucks??

I thought he was in Sactown

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius

by Hdg23 on Nov 5, 2011 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Look at the rookies a bit

Vesely could be the spark off the bench to make even your precious Kobe wonder about his position on the first team. And Childress is pretty pathetic with the Suns (if I’m right, not really sure where he is, I just know he sucks). Needs a team change. ASAP. He owned in Europe.
Stop trying to be the Celtics and bring in almost retired players.

by Wintersun on Nov 9, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

Yo, why you gotta get all nasty and accuse us trying to be the Celtics?

That’s just rude.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 9, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yo, why on Earth would you want to pick up Jermaine?

Fisher, Kobe, Odom and Jermaine? Seriously? How is that not getting greener?

by Wintersun on Nov 10, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers aren't getting younger in free agency

And that’s not the point either — it’s purely for depth purposes, and O’Neal would be better than most of the minimum salaried backup fours and fives available on the market save for Jeff Foster. Either way, he would be the team’s fourth big and would barely play considering that the Gasol/Bynum/Odom rotation only leaves ~10 minutes for that fourth big to rotate in, and whoever that big is doesn’t have to do anything past holding the fort down and not getting injured. Kwame Brown of all players would be fine for the Lakers’ purposes — you’re harping rather pointlessly about the end of the Lakers’ depth chart at their strongest position.

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by Ben R on Nov 10, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a Celtics fan.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 11, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah and I wanna watch Lakers - Celtics finals

not Heat – Dallas… I hate Lakers with same amount of respect as I have for the Celtics, as our biggest enemies. And seeing Lakers as weak as the C’s is… just not cool.
@Ben R up there: My point was you need rookies that automatically mean more energy on the floor, a lot more perspective game play anddd a lot more room for mistakes and for Kobe to step up and end up a hero saving the game.

Yeah, no Laker is close to retiring (except Fisher, I hope), but being VASTLY overpaid and getting worse by the year is worse than retirement – serves up as a disappointment. I suggested Vesely because I’ve been watching him live here for years and I’ve been trying to put him on the C’s but it just didn’t click. Just seems as he’d fit perfectly into Lakers. Some white European kid that just annoys the hell out of us, C’s fans. Since you lost Vujacic… See my point? Screw depth, we almost beat you in 2010 with 7 usable players and a few that were actually playing for the Lakers but wearing green (SHELDEEEEN :@)

by Wintersun on Nov 11, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem is that what you're saying is unrealistic or aren't solutions

You’re right in that the Lakers could benefit from youth, and their handling of the draft recently has left something to be desired, but as much as I liked their drafting of Darius Morris and Andrew Goudelock, I don’t expect them to contribute in a major way next year. You don’t add athleticism and youth in free agency as a matter of course for a veteran team since those guys aren’t available at a cheap price for a reason, namely the fact that the good players that fit that profile command significant salaries. Moreover, this isn’t the only way for the Lakers to improve at positions of need, so you’re railing for all the wrong reasons.

And why on earth are you still talking about Vesely? He was drafted sixth by the Wizards and there’s no possibility whatsoever of separating him from that team in the near future. Sure, he’s an interesting prospect, but I wouldn’t start him over Artest since he’s not a polished prospect. Terrific upside certainly, and playing well for Partizan is a laudable achievement, but saying that he would be a solution for the Lakers, not to mention how there’s way the Lakers could get him, is just unrealistic and honestly silly.

And yes, depth is important. It arguably killed the Lakers’ season last year when Theo Ratliff went out with injury and the Lakers had no one to put in at the five save playing Gasol into the ground for the start of the season, which railroaded the rest of his year. To hear a Celtics fan harp also about depth when you guys had one of the deepest and best frontcourts ever in ‘85-’86 with Parish, McHale, and Walton strikes me as disingenuous, if not ignorant about your history also. And hey, while you’re complaining about Perkins, we had our third best player in Bynum play that entire playoffs on one leg and in case you’re having a case of selective memory, Wallace played better in Game 7 than Perkins had all series long.

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by Ben R on Nov 11, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You got a point, or ten

Thinking it’s painfully obvious, I’m talking about him as an example (yeah, I love the guy, he’ll be a hell of a player one day; 2 years ago he couldn’t even dribble or dunk). NBA has gotten old with the stars-first system. Why not start a rookie over ARTEST? Not like there’s something worse than a 4-0 with Dallas. May as well skip the playoffs of… whatever the next season will be – 2020/2021.
Take my two points: I don’t give a rat’s ass about our history, we took 1 title in over 20 years, may as well cry for my great great grand father who died in WW1. And second – Perkins was a part of the team. Sheed was a bad luck charm on the court. Game 7 was an absolute failure for us. Let’s not argue over that again.
The point of all this is that you guys are looking for bench depth while your only valuable player (yes, Gasol has become useless, Bynum and Artest aren’t fear factors anymore, more like doormats; don’t flame me for the C’s, I’m fully aware of how ridiculous the team looks like) is in Italy negotiating for a million dollars per game played. Oh yes, devoted to bouncing right back.

by Wintersun on Nov 15, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, none of this is true. I assume it's supposed to be funny.
The point of all this is that you guys are looking for bench depth while your only valuable player (yes, Gasol has become useless, Bynum and Artest aren’t fear factors anymore, more like doormats; don’t flame me for the C’s, I’m fully aware of how ridiculous the team looks like) is in Italy negotiating for a million dollars per game played.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 17, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Whether you're high, drunk, or otherwise incapacitated

Please refrain from typing random screeds that just make you look inane, thanks. This is so absurdly off the wall I’m not sure how to respond.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Nov 18, 2011 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

...what?

First, Vesely is on the Wizards, and is nowhere near a polished product, although he should make a nice tandem with Wall in a few years with his athleticism. If your line of thought is that the Lakers should trade for him, that’s terribly unrealistic. Either way, cut the snark. It tends not to work well after you put up a silly display of ignorance. Next, almost none of the players on this last are on the verge of retirement; being terribly overpaid doesn’t mean that that player isn’t good in the right context and at the right price, which nearly all these guys would be available at since they would still be getting paid for their previous deal. Big difference from the Celtics bringing in washed up vets at the end of their careers and giving them far more than what they’re worth.

@brosales12

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu

by Ben R on Nov 10, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, saying they're close to retirement

I meant Bynum finally getting in a wheelchair (not like Pierce, for the rest of his life), Artest locked up in some mental hospital or.. whatev, Fisher, Kobe, as stated above, just doesn’t look as interested in getting the ring. Yeah, maybe the idea is tempting, but does he really look like a guy he was years back? I’m outside of US and imho he look like he’s drifting away from NBA. We’re not looking at a bright future for either of our favourite teams.

by Wintersun on Nov 15, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, Kobe doesn't look interested in getting a ring and is drifting away from the NBA?

Dude, what are you smoking wherever you are?

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by SoCalGal on Nov 17, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

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