When It Comes To The NBA Lockout, Outs Are In Short Supply
I've often seen these people, these squares at the table, short stack and long odds against them. All their outs gone. One last card in the deck that can help them. I used to wonder how they could let themselves get into such bad shape, and how the hell they thought they could turn it around.
The preceding quote is about poker. It's quite obviously about poker, from a rather famous movie about poker. The terms used are poker terms, and the concepts are poker concepts. The NBA lockout is not a poker term or a poker concept, but its not a stretch to label any sort of high stakes negotiation as a kind of heads up poker match. There's no gambling involved, but then, knowledgeable folks will tell you there ain't much gambling in poker either if you know what you're doing.
Which brings us to the bottom line: I can't think of a more apt metaphor to describe where we now stand. And I don't need to tell you who the squares at the table are.
The players are done. We've known this for quite some time. The owners are too unified, too motivated, and have too much control of the product of basketball for the players to have any chance of preventing them from grinding the players down into nothing. When you are ahead in a game of heads-up poker by a significant amount, the proper strategy is to bully your opponent. That means you bet high early in just about every hand. It doesn't matter whether you have faith in your own cards. You simply want to make the other guy hurt if he wants to play at all. It forces your opponent to retreat, and retreat, and retreat, until they have nothing left to cede, at which point, they are forced to make a risky move.In this particular "game", the owners accomplished this through a variety of bait and switch negotiations. Their playbook has been surprisingly consistent. Make "concesssions" to the players regarding the BRI split in return for player "concessions" on system issues like a stiff luxury tax and player contract lengths. Give the players hope for an agreement. Then, bring somebody else in who returns to former BRI demands, and oh, by the way, all the system issue "concessions" should remain. This was basically a weekly process, with the only difference being whether the owner's "executioner" was a crazy person, a jilted lover, or an icon.
And now, backed into a corner, the players have made that risky move. Short stacked and long odds against them, they have one card in the deck that can help them. They've turned to the legal process to try and force the situation back in their favor. We know its probably not going to work. They know its probably not going to work. And in the end, filing this lawsuit may end up causing them to have to cede even more at the negotiating table than they would have if they just sucked it up and signed a crappy deal. But there is an odd compulsion in these situations to play it to the end instead of walking away with the shirt on your back.
We fans? We're a different kind of square, with no choice but to sit and wait patiently for the game to end so the games can begin. In that sense, the inevitable breakdown of negotiations is a mildly positive step, because this game can only end when both sides are satisfied, or when one side has been crushed. Considering where the two parties started, the latter option was really the only viable solution. The only problem is that we're now waiting on a legal system that is patently slow, and deadlines for resolution are fast approaching. So, while it's nice to know that the question itself is progressing towards an answer, that like answer remains the doomsday scenario we've spent equal time dismissing and preparing for ... a lost year of basketball.
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Mmmm hmmmm.
Where have you been, by the way?
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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I know how you feel.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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THERE'S ALWAYS COLLEGE BBALL
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
There would be....
….if UCLA wasn’t 0-2 to subpar teams.
I gotta can’t bring myself to root for anyone besides my alma mater.
No
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
This is why I didn't understand the jump here before attempting to negotiate one last time
in the end, filing this lawsuit may end up causing them to have to cede even more at the negotiating table than they would have if they just sucked it up and signed a crappy deal
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I always thought the best action for the players to take in their Monday meeting with the last CBA proposal from the owners'
Would be to amend a few of the key system changes on it to something that the players would accept (nothing too drastic), agree on it with the 30 player’s reps, and let the owners be the villain to reject/accept the last proposal by putting the ball back in their court.
If the owners accept, players win. If owners don’t accept, they would either have to counteroffer something in-between (and better than their last proposal) or reject it outright and get crucified in the press.
Oh well, too late for that.
ya i hate the owners and they deserve all the blame
but the way the players have handled this lockout has been embarrassing, to say the least.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Not embarrassing, but it's def been mishandles at times.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
LOL, rude.
You're only a success for the moment that you complete a successful act. - Tex Winter
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Lockout, lockout
Sucks, sucks, sucksass
"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I'm on it so let's tweet: @B_M_Bizness
by BrittneyM on Nov 17, 2011 8:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Good analogy
The players simply couldn’t accept from the outset that they were going to get screwed, and that was all but guaranteed when Hunter refused to decertify immediately. Should have just bit the bullet, taken the deal, and prepared for the next round, when the economy will hopefully be doing better and the players will have a stronger negotiating position. Doing so now is going all-in with a pair of deuces.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
yup
I haven’t read anything about it, so I was wondering anyone has read anything about why the two sides didn’t agree on a temporary 1 or 2 year CBA to use to save the season while they spend that time negotiating the longer CBA.
I would think the owners probably wouldn’t be as hardlined on a super-short CBA since they don’t need to worry about covering for unexpected circumstances 10 years down the road. Yeah this measure might just delay a lockout year, but it doesn’t hurt and a possible lockout a year or two later is better than a surefire lockout year now. (Plus I think it is easier to ease the players down on benefits over 2 CBA’s than to have so many drastic changes so fast)
It would be pointless
No one wants to go through something like this next year or the year after that. Plus, it’s not soon enough for economic conditions to drastically change the playing field. In discussions like these, the six year CBA the players wanted is considered “short.” You can’t have stability if you have to go over this stuff every couple years.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
makes sense
just meant the temporary measure to take affect at the last bargaining session to save the season, so while the bickering can continues either way, the season is saved. I’m my random wondering, I would think that the negotiations would continue on as they have, and not delay serious negotiating sessions until the last minute like that they did this year.
But with this group, it feels like they don’t learn, so no one can assume that they will take the logical course of action (in not procrastinating serious bargaining).
There was another year on the current CBA
they could’ve used to talk things out. The owners opted not to take that extra year. No way, they were going to sign a temporary agreement
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Was it an owner option on the last year or a mutual agreement option?
Financially, it would help the owners to take 53% for one year and fight for 50% long-term over losing a complete season to get 50%. But pride on both sides play a bigger part than straight finances, unfortunately.
Funny, if both sides were strictly greedy, we would have a season since a lost year hurts both players and owners financially. If only both sides were more greedy, we would ironically be saved. Its the ego, pride, desire to ‘win’ the negotiations, and the demand from both sides for respect (and the biggest share of the pie) that doomed this season.
I believe it was a mutual agreement option
but the owners were the side that didn’t agree. That I know. The players had no reason to stop a season
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
I think they might've found
the owners coming right back in 6 years, begging to re-do it all over again anyway. The current luxury tax and spending requirements are terrible rules and won’t help anything they’re trying to accomplish
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
I hate this
Faith is remaining certain in the face of doubt. You’re not sure how it’s going to end, but you’re constantly of the belief that it will end the way you want it to and the way you always believed it to end, and that’s on top - Derek Fisher
The players need to focus on the ensuring the popularity of the game.
That is what enables the enormousness of their contracts.
Competition is a huge factor in generating a fan base. Fans expect fairness and the league has meddled with rules, interpretations and enforcement to the point of absurdity. Even the players do not known what is allowed game to game.
However, players colluding to form their own teams will not work as a business model, no matter how much ESPN tries to prop up a team.
It actually works pretty well
for that team and cannot be legislated out of the CBA, so holding out for that reason is pretty unnecessary. You can’t stop it
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
"I think that all the silence is worse than all the violence." -Lupe Fiasco
You made my point
It only works for select teams that players want to play on. The “NBA” fails as an enterprise as the small market teams lose their fan base.
Why would you make such a silly statement when the NFL has been operating like this for decades.

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