Rough Cut 1/24: All-Stars
Well folks, the NBA All-Star game is less than a month away, and later this week the NBA will be announcing the starters for this annual exhibition, hosted in the Lakers' (and Clippers', I guess) home town of Los Angeles, California. As such, I figured now is as good a team as any to discuss people's picks for the All-Star Game - who we chose, and why we chose them; as well as thoughts and opinions on the All-Star Game (and All-Star Weekend) in general.
For those who don't know, the All-Star Weekend consists of a Skills Challenge (essentially a dribble-and-shoot course), three-point shootout, dunk contest, Celebrity Game, Rookie-Sophomore game to show off the young talent of the League, and the main event, the Sunday NBA All-Star Game.
Dunk Contest participants are already well-known, and barring a Shannon Brown-esque choke job from Blake Grifffin, the winner is also known. As for the rest of the events, contestants are still a mystery.
The Dunk Contest has been a farce throughout recent years, and this year, although sure to have far more exciting dunks than last year; isn't truly entertaining due to the fact that there is a clear, blatantly obvious favourite in forward Blake Griffin. Nonetheless, it shall be interesting to say what Blake is capable of coming up with, one hopes it shall be something special; although a display like the one against the Knicks shown below would suffice.
Interesting note: Blake is already in the Dunk Contest, a lock for the Rookie-Sophomore Game, and a potential (maybe even probable due to the game being in LA) All-Star; and with the dagger threes he's been hitting recently should be in the Three-Point Contest (couldn't hurt, right?); making him probably the first in NBA History to compete in all four in the same year. Hell, with his ability to run the break, why not put him in the Skills Challenge and have him in 5 events? Put him in HORSE, too, while you're at it. He's Blake freaking Griffin.
As for the three-point shootout, it's a mildly entertaining event, but often features a majority of unknowns, and is not truly an indicator of three-point prowess, as game-shooting and contest-shooting are entirely different due to the rapid succession of shots, without defensive influence and often in a hurry. This is clearly evidenced by obvious deadly scorers such as Daequan Cook winning the contest in seasons passed.
The Celebrity game is a joke, known for some laughs but nothing much else, so we won't go into it much here (although if you're really bored, feel free to talk about it in the comments).
The Skills Challenge is perhaps the least well-known event of All-Star Saturday Night, but is indeed an interesting challenge. It often features some of the League's best young guards putting their handling, passing and shooting talents in a timed test against each other. Derrick Rose won last year and if he competes again this year, I don't doubt he'll win again - particularly with his improved jumper.
The Rookie-Sophomore game will certainly be interesting, with the John Wall and Blake Griffin - led class of 2010 taking on the Tyreke Evans and Steph Curry - led class of 2009. Really, neither of these teams will be as talented as some of the teams of years past, namely due to lack of depth, but this is always an interesting matchup to watch; and Blake Griffin will doubtless have fun playing against a woefully undersized sophomore frontline which last year consisted solely of DeJuan Blair.
As for the meat of the event, All-Star Sunday, which I created this thread to discuss (it is a bit early to discuss All-Star weekend itself, after all - I just wanted to discuss picks), whilst the starting lineups are pretty much known at this point with voting having already closed (although official announcements won't be for another week), perhaps the most fan interest in the All-Star Game comes from discussing the teams - who deserved to be in and who didn't; why the casual fans are stupid (voting in Allen Iverson last year is a good start) and why the coaches are morons. And, most importantly, why the Chinese Government needs to block the NBA.com All-Star voting page from being accessible in China.
Me personally, I don't for a second think the All-Star Game is a list of the 'best' players in the League, nor is it a recognition of the greats - I believe that's the role of the far-less touted, but slightly more qualified (journalists instead of random fans) All-NBA teams, though even they are wont to screw up at times. I believe the All-Star game should be an exhibition of the League's most entertaining players to watch - the kings of the highlight play, those who have the fans jumping out of their seats. I don't believe in any of this crap about putting players in due to long-past accomplishments or barring players due to their teams having a losing record.
As far as I'm concerned, the All-Star Game is a show, a spectacle derived purely for entertainment, and not a way of 'rewarding' or 'recognising' players for their skill. The East and West rosters in my opinion should simply consist of the 12 players from each Conference that are more likely to have the fans visually amazed, and nothing more. No hobbled Tim Duncans, no keeping Monta Ellis out for his team's losing record. And, perhaps more controversially, I do not believe Kevin Love should even have strong contention for the All-Star team. Whilst he is simply a superlative rebounder and even a skilled offensive player, he does not possess sick handles or amazing athleticism, the attributes most required for a show like the All-Star Game to go on. There's a glut of forwards in the West, and as far as I'm concerned both Blake Griffin and Lamar Odom's games are far more suited for the party than Kevin Love's boxing-out and fundamentals; even though I would place Love above both of them in All-NBA Team voting.
Also, I actually do believe in adhering to positions, instead of starting lineups with 5 perimeter players, or putting Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant together in the forward spots. I also show substantial preference to young players over veterans, both for the sake of promoting the image of young up-and-comers in the League, and also for the increased athleticism attached to youth - not to mention many veterans would prefer to rest instead of playing in the All-Star Game with its attached wear-and-tear.
Enough with the lollygagging, my All-Star picks, based on the criteria above, are as follows:
WEST:
Starters:
C: Andrew Bynum
PF: Blake Griffin
SF: Carmelo Anthony
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: Russell Westbrook
Reserves:
C: LaMarcus Aldridge
PF: Lamar Odom
SF: Kevin Durant
SG: Monta Ellis
PG: Chris Paul
Wildcard #1: Deron Williams
Wildcard #2: Manu Ginobli
Notes: Yes, I know, I know, I broke my own rule by putting in LMA and LO as the West's reserve frontcourt, but the adage truly does apply that nobody else deserves it. Pau Gasol's played like crap for too long (though he has shown improvement recently), and his jumper-and-hook filled game isn't as exciting as either Lamar or LaMarcus; and there's no true Center deserving. Not to mention, both Lamar and LaMarcus need to be All-Stars, Lamar for being the most consistent big man and perhaps the most crucial player on the Los Angeles Lakers for the season; and LaMarcus for transitioning to first option and holding together an injury-decimated Portland Squad. Also, having 4 Lakers on the squad is definitely pushing it, and I feel Lamar is more deserving than Pau whilst the West needs a true Center (hence Andrew) on their roster. Also, I know many will take issue with the lack of a Dallas player on there, especially with Dirk's contributions to the team, but he is getting older and his game simply isn't All-Star style, in my opinion. While I'd put Dirk (just) over Kevin Love as the Power Forward on the All-NBA First Team, I don't see him in the All-Star Game. As for starting Carmelo over Durant, I just believe Carmelo has more moves and more athleticism than Durant, who's mainly a shooter - the athleticism factor is also why I started Westbrook over Paul. Of course, putting in Kobe over Ellis is counter-intuitive to that, but Kobe's the best player in the game right now, and even without his athleticism being what it once was he has enough moves to dazzle, particularly if it's a close game.
EAST:
Starters:
C: Dwight Howard
PF: Amare Stoudemire
SF: LeBron James
SG: Dwyane Wade
PG: Derrick Rose
Reserves:
C: Al Horford
PF: Chris Bosh
SF: Gerald Wallace
SG: Joe Johnson
PG: Rajon Rondo
Wildcard #1: John Wall
Wildcard #2: Josh Smith
Notes: The starting lineup is pretty obvious, and even as much as I hate LeBron I have to admit he's one of the best at producing highlights in the League, particularly in meaningless games. The reserves got a bit tougher, with a lack of depth in the East becoming obvious. Al Horford was picked due to lack of choice, as was Joe Johnson. Rondo I feel is unquestionably deserving, as he's been perhaps the best facilitator in the game this season, and his speed is amazing. Wallace always plays in a fun style to watch, Chris Bosh is obviously the second-best power forward in the conference, and Josh Smith's style ensures him entry. John Wall is a bit more controversial, but his playstyle is quite simply entertaining. I was very close to putting in Stephen Jackson over him, but Wall's youth won out for me.
Prediction: The starting frontlines battle it out to the point of being even, LeBron has the slight edge at small forward, as Kobe does at guard, and the East has the advantage at Point Guard. However, the West has a far superior bench that will keep this one close, and if it's close at the end we can trust Kobe to bring it home for a win in his own building.
BONUS: All-NBA Teams
As I said, I believe the All-NBA Teams and All-Star teams are entirely different, or at least should be. I think that the All-Star Team should be a compilation of the League's most entertaining players, whilst the All-NBA teams of the League's best at that very moment (meaning those reputation-based additions are undeserving). As such, here are my picks for the season so far:
1st Team:
C: Dwight Howard
PF: Amare Stoudemire
SF: LeBron James
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: Derrick Rose
2nd Team:
C: Chris Bosh
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
SF: Kevin Durant
SG: Dwayne Wade
PG: Chris Paul
3rd Team:
C: Andrew Bynum
PF: Kevin Love
SF: Carmelo Anthony
SG: Monta Ellis
PG: Deron Williams
Honourable Mentions: Russel Westbrook, Blake Griffin, Rajon Rondo, Manu Ginobli, Lamar Odom, Steve Nash, Paul Pierce, Carlos Boozer, Pau Gasol, Rudy Gay.
*Note: Once again, I made an exception to my positional rule and put Bosh as Center of the All-NBA Second Team, as there was no deserving True Center.
Now what do you guys think?
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This kid is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ80f0brcew
LeBron James on Twitter after the Lakers annihilated Cleveland: "Crazy, karma is a bitch! You should never wish ill on anybody, God is always watching!'
Since then, the Heat have lost three straight to an injury-depleted Bulls, a blowout by the Nuggets, and a loss to the fucking Clippers; LeBron has missed two games due to injury and now Bosh is injured.
Ain't karma a bitch?
The defender must have been like
“Blake has the ball 2 feet behind the 3pt line. Perfect just lik- wait why is he shooting?
Oh, shit."
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LOL!
some idiot in my class said lebron can dunk from the 3 pt line. pissed me the fuck off
That is not a pic of me.
by Cup Noodles on Jan 23, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I never knew he could shoot
That is not a pic of me.
by Cup Noodles on Jan 23, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
he can't :(
but he did it against my beloved Warriors and sealed the victory with only his 5th 3 of the year
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60% from deep on the season.
He just doesn’t take em cos he doesn’t need to :P
LeBron James on Twitter after the Lakers annihilated Cleveland: "Crazy, karma is a bitch! You should never wish ill on anybody, God is always watching!'
Since then, the Heat have lost three straight to an injury-depleted Bulls, a blowout by the Nuggets, and a loss to the fucking Clippers; LeBron has missed two games due to injury and now Bosh is injured.
Ain't karma a bitch?
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 24, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
The thing that I love about that (and his game),
is that he acts like its supposed to happen. No fireworks, no extra curricular celebrations. He just gets the job done.
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It may be the 24th where you live Saurav...
but it’s the morning of the 23rd in California at the moment.
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8 + 24 > 23 + 6
Nice piece, but you spelled "honorable" with an extra "u"
(waiting for hotmama . . .).
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also, second sentence...
As such, I figured now is as good a team as any to discuss people’s picks for the All-Star Game
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8 + 24 > 23 + 6
its also accepted
its just the British spelling of the same word.
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LOL. I know (my post was an inside joke that Saurav's aware of).
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oh. :D
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Not a bad piece
thank you for putting Monte Ellis on there- in my opinion he’s one of the most underrated players in basketball. I don’t think he gets enough credit. I don’t love the Warriors but I do enjoy watching him play.
I like Blake Griffin over Kevin Love for the All NBA 3rd Team. As for the All-Star teams, you can’t keep Durant out of the starting lineup. I’d put both him and Melo in there and have Griffin come off the bench. As for the center, I’d love to see Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum start there for the game- we’ll see what happens. For the west I’d have CP3-Kobe-Durant-Carmelo-Gasol/Bynum.
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and although I dont mean to nitpick, considering that bynum has missed a ton of games and Nene is listed as a five, shouldnt Nene get the nod?
I mean the NBA’s voting system is really messed up. Sure it is a great way to get fans involved or whatever, but last season tmac and allen iverson had a ton of votes and either of them could have made the team. Anyway, I think it would be a lot funnier if the nba made the fans vote for the reserves.
Let Josh Childress play
You're right, Nash won last year.
Rose won the year before.
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8 + 24 > 23 + 6
hahahahahahaha
…even as much as I hate LeBron I have to admit he’s one of the best at producing highlights in the League, particularly in meaningless games
ditto, saurav…
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My picks for the All-Star game:
I agree that the All-Star game should be a show of the best, most athletic, exciting players to make the ASG amazing and highlight-filled, but I think you have to include the greatest players on great teams. Like Gerald Wallace over KG (as much as I dislike him and the other Celtics), is unreasonable. I think a teams’ wins and losses have to at least be considered in the conversation, but I don’t think it should be some All-Time achievement event either, i.e. putting Duncan in, while he’s having a career-low year and is only going to play about 5 minutes, while you could put LaMarcus Aldridge or someone more exciting in. So without further a due, my All-Star predictions (not selections, if it were that, I would have Fisher starting):
West
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Pau Gasol (Yeah, yeah, he’s not a true C, but we have two SF’s the starting line-up so who cares. BTW, Stern better not put Tyson Chandler or some other “deserving” true center in and mess everything up. Also, Bynum hasn’t played enough yet, to deserve this place over Pau.)
1. Russell Westbrook
2. Deron Williams
3. Blake Griffin
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. LaMarcus Aldridge (over Kevin Love because he’s not folding to adversity and is carrying Portland on his back)
6. Manu Ginobili
7. Lamar Odom (or Eric Gordon)
The Lamar or Gordon debate is tough, because Gordon is having such a good year. He’s averaging more points per game than Carmelo (24.1 to 23.5) and is shooting better from the field, line and 3-point land. But Lamar is Lamar, so ultimately I’d go with him, but it’s close. Other honorable mentions: Steve Nash, Kevin Love, Monta Ellis and Zach Randolph. Oh, and Derek Fisher.
East
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: LeBron James
PF: Amar’e Stoudemire
C: Dwight Howard
1. Rajon Rondo
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Paul Pierce
4. Carlos Boozer
5. Raymond Felton
6. Al Horford
7. Chris Bosh
Honorable mentions: Joakim Noah (would be in if not for injury), Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Andrew Bogut, etc.
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I'd put Gordon over Ginobili
just saying.
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Well, you have to have at least one player from the team with the best record in the league
And Manu is more deserving than TD or TP, so far.
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The greatest player on the Celtics imo is Rondo, hence why he's on there (though he is deserving in his own right).
Same with putting Ginobli on for the West – if him and Gordon switched teams Gordon would definitely be in, it’s just that I can’t have the League’s best team unrepresented whilst the GD Clippers have two guys in.
LeBron James on Twitter after the Lakers annihilated Cleveland: "Crazy, karma is a bitch! You should never wish ill on anybody, God is always watching!'
Since then, the Heat have lost three straight to an injury-depleted Bulls, a blowout by the Nuggets, and a loss to the fucking Clippers; LeBron has missed two games due to injury and now Bosh is injured.
Ain't karma a bitch?
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 23, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
You know whose curiously missing
Rudy Gay, whose quietly been having a better season than Melo and LMA, efficiency wise, and has been constant for the Grizzlies thus far.
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Too many wings in the West
If Rudy Gay and EG were in the East, they’d be locks.
LeBron James on Twitter after the Lakers annihilated Cleveland: "Crazy, karma is a bitch! You should never wish ill on anybody, God is always watching!'
Since then, the Heat have lost three straight to an injury-depleted Bulls, a blowout by the Nuggets, and a loss to the fucking Clippers; LeBron has missed two games due to injury and now Bosh is injured.
Ain't karma a bitch?
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 24, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone gotten bored with the All-Star weekend?
Remember when the dunk contest actually used to be cool? Dwight Howard and Nate Robinson almost salvaged it, but maybe Blake Griffin can revive it.
Plus, with events like HORSE, skills challenge, etc, it’s gone a bit overboard. Anyone agree?
I like the rookie-sophomore game, and of course the all-star game, but that’s all I’ll watch.
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I don't think it's gone overboard.
The skills challenge is nice and short and the challenge where the WNBA players, legendary players, and current players are all on the same team is pretty cool in terms of seeing the cooperation. I just think they need someone to come in and highly contest for everything. The dunk contest isn’t as cool because folks have seen so many dunks now that to be more creative it’s essentially about jumping higher or spinning further, which is not something that all NBA players focus on doing or are capable of doing.
Personally, I just want to see them replace HORSE with a game of 21 or something where guys get more competitive and hustle more to win. I think they should also add bonuses to the conference that wins in the ASG. Seems like they’d take it more seriously and games would be much closer for longer instead of a blowout like many of them turn into
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Horse would be better if they did trickshots like we used to see so many viral videos of
Or shit we used to do, like scoring it off the bounce. Otherwise it’s just jumpshots
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HORSE would be good if you put Kobe in it
You know he would do two or three utterly insane shots to get some letters.
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Sucks for Shannon that he can't redeem himself this year
After all, it’s in LA and I’m sure the first time he laid an egg might have been due to nerves. Then again, maybe he really is just a better in-game dunker … but I saw his high school dunk contest (the one he lost to LBJ) and let’s just say, he could redeem himself if he wanted to.
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by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 23, 2011 11:36 PM PST reply actions
Not bad
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3 players from the Hawks (counting Josh Smith as a wildcard)?
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No disrespect; I appreciate all the work that went into that.
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East is shallow.
Particularly at Center. Do I think Al Horford or Joe Johnson deserve to be all Stars? No. Do I have much choice? Not really.
LeBron James on Twitter after the Lakers annihilated Cleveland: "Crazy, karma is a bitch! You should never wish ill on anybody, God is always watching!'
Since then, the Heat have lost three straight to an injury-depleted Bulls, a blowout by the Nuggets, and a loss to the fucking Clippers; LeBron has missed two games due to injury and now Bosh is injured.
Ain't karma a bitch?
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 26, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Guess you could replace Horford with Boozer and put Bosh as a Center, but I don't like putting Willowy PFs at Center.
LeBron James on Twitter after the Lakers annihilated Cleveland: "Crazy, karma is a bitch! You should never wish ill on anybody, God is always watching!'
Since then, the Heat have lost three straight to an injury-depleted Bulls, a blowout by the Nuggets, and a loss to the fucking Clippers; LeBron has missed two games due to injury and now Bosh is injured.
Ain't karma a bitch?
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 26, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
Horford is the 3rd best player on that team, and will make the all-star team every year cuz he's a center in the east.
i dont mind putting pf’s at c, if it allows other more-deserving players to make the team.
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You're right
I tried to think about it concluded that I could do no better.
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