Does morality have a place in sports?
Not that we had much in the way of on topic items to discuss, but thanks to Matt Barnes and his (hopefully former) love interest, Silver Screen and Roll is now forced to ignore its main focus as a blog pertaining to basketball and discuss topics of a different nature: the law, the judiciary system, and an altogether different court, the court of public opinion.
If you haven't heard already, Matt Barnes was arrested yesterday on suspicion of domestic abuse, and maliciously obstructing the use of a telephone line (a seemingly innocuous add on that sounds worse and worse the more you think about it). Before we get to the topic at hand, let's get the facts (or lack thereof) straight: Sacramento Police (Barnes first mistake ... why was he staying/living in Sacramento?) responded to what was termed an "incomplete" 911 call and found Barnes and a woman with whom he had a "dating relationship" in the midst of of an altercation. Both Barnes and the woman reportedly showed visible injuries. Barnes was determined by police to be the primary aggressor and was taken into custody. Upon release after posting bail, Barnes used his entire arsenal of social media tools to proclaim his innocence. He spoke to a reporter, proclaiming himself the victim, and mentioning that "9 outa 10 times [in domestic abuse situations], the man gets arrested. On Twitter, he went philosophical, stating "DON'T LET YOUR EARS WITNESS, WHAT YOUR EYES DIDN'T SEE" HE will appear in court on Monday.
As of now, that's all we know. From this information, we can ably deduce ... nothing. Is Matt Barnes guilty? No. Is he innocent? No. Did something bad go down in the Barnes "household"? Yeah, I guess that stands up to reason. I'm more concerned with an altogether different question:
As Lakers fans, is it part of our "job description" to care?
This is hardly the first time we've been down this road, nor will it be the longest journey down the road we've taken. While not intending to make light of this situation in any way, I think we can all agree that the charge of rape which was levied against Kobe Bryant was more serious than this, both in terms of potential consequences and in terms of the vile nature of the supposed act. In fact, the Kobe Bryant rape accusation/trial was one of the most visible criminal trials involving an athlete I can remember since O.J. Simpson's murder trial, and the only major court case I can remember involving an athlete still active. All of this is to say, it's hardly the first time we've been faced with this particular ethical dilemma.
In light of that experience, ask yourself the following questions: Did your opinion of Kobe change when you first heard the news of his accusation? Did your ability to root for him decrease? Did it increase? Did the resolution of his trial (criminal charges dropped, civil charges settled out of court) make a difference? If your opinion of him did change, has time softened that change?
It's important to remember that Kobe was not proven guilty of anything worse than the adultery he admitted to, just as Barnes currently stands guilty only of being in the same place as someone who has been visibly injured in an apparent physical altercation. No one knows what happened except for Barnes and the woman involved. Which leads to the next important question: Does guilt even matter to your fandom?
My guess is the answer for a majority of people is "not really". Most people root for their team, and anybody who dons that team's uniform is included. We cheer for a player's athletic ability, performance, and skill, not because we like them as people. And yet, even as that is the generally accepted stance in a situation like this, it is a stance with a foundation in hypocrisy, because if we do happen to like a player as a person, that is definitely included in our opinion of the player. As hypocrisy goes, this is mild and completely acceptable. It's fine to understand that a good athlete can get a bonus by being a good person as well, when the opposite is not neccesarily true.
The issue I have is with the opposite form of that hypocrisy, the one that allows us to dislike a player from another team more because we dislike that player as a person, while giving players on our own team a free pass. Take, for example, the current villification of LeBron James. Very little of the animosity sent the King's way is basketball related. Is what he did worse, morally speaking, than what Barnes stands accused of? I certainly don't think so. If Barnes is convicted, will you reserve animosity for him as you do for LeBron (if you do for LeBron)?
In answer to the lead question, I personally don't think morality has much of a place in sports. We already know that many of the people who play sports profesionally are not saints. No matter who you root for, that pertains as much to the teams you like as the ones you don't. I can still appreciate Kobe Bryant's skill and tenacity without approving his behavior in that hotel room many years ago. I can appreciate Tiger Woods' golf ability without applauding Tiger Woods' problems with monogamy (or I could, if Tiger could still display that ability). I can still be in awe of LeBron James' athletic ability, despite the fact that I doubt I'd like to be his friend. As long as it doesn't effect what takes place on the field/court/pitch (though it often does), I don't think we should put much stock in these clashes between sports and morality.
Maybe you disagree, and that's cool. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I certainly don't think someone who cares about the morality of the players they cheer for is wrong to do so. All I ask for is consistency. Don't look the other way for players' indiscretions when they wear the uniform you like, while passing judgment on players who play for your team's rivals. Don't use morality as the crutch for why you despise certain players, and then ignore when morality casts your own players in a poor light. Whether you think morality should or should not have a place in sports, I think we can all agree that the double standard should have no place at all.
What do you think?
[Keep in mind, this is likely to be a touchy conversation, so please make sure to keep comments super respectful.]
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"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
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idk if anybodys ever been arrested that fast
i still think he will have a great season
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What the hell is
“maliciously obstructing the use of a telephone line”?? That SO fuggin sounds like he ripped the line out of the wall and started choking her with it like he was in the Godfather. Can’t they find another way to say it?
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
by Deef Chief on Sep 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
from what ive read and what people have commented on,
it sounds like he ripped the cord out of the wall or the phone, as she was making the 911 call.
The police responded to an interupted 911 call.
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"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
It's often called "Interference With Emergency Calls"
It’s basically preventing someone from contacting 911.
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by DexterFishmore on Sep 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Like you did with that girl in your candy wagon.
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Oh Snap!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you hear him whimpering?
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It's called taint
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Barnes, say, "Hi," to Ron Artest's psychiatrist, please and thank you
I think the case for Kobe in terms of fan adulation / forgiveness compared to Barnes is hugely different.
I can see fan perception of Barnes changing because of this. I mean, he hasn’t even played ONE game and already he can’t keep his personal drama under control.
Kobe at least, had been through a three peat and seven years with the Lakers before the rape trial … so were his personal fans shocked and let down, yes, but Laker fans? Probably not. If there’s one thing we know about Kobe is that he will use that adversity and fuel his playing – which he did for most of the season.
Asking Matt Barnes, a bench player who hasn’t proven himself to the Lakers to do that is different. And in the end, are we really that shocked this has happened? Barnes’ is like a 2.0 Ron Artest lite.
Not to sound unappreciative, but we already have one head case – Hi to Ron Artest – and as much as we all love Ron now – I’m sure when Ron “slipped” and bumped his head at Christmas, we were all frustrated with him. Right now, Matt Barnes is our second head case. And we’re just gonna have to live with it.
But thank goodness we didn’t get Delonte. Can you imagine three headcases on our team? Ugh.
I just hope for Barnes’ sake and the Lakers’ sake (especially the Lakers’ sake) he can keep his personal affairs off the court and not effect the team negatively.
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by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 9, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions
I don't really see it as that different
and in the case of it being different, I would say Kobe’s would be a worse case than Barnes’ case. Just saying.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
hopefully this gets resolved, he accepts whatever consequence/penalty
and then plays his ass off every second of every game and practice this season to make it up to the team
by theshmoes on Sep 9, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
u would
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I rooted even harder for Kobe when his drama was going on
And to be honest as a real die hard Laker fan and someone who has followed Kobe closely for his entire NBA career, those regular season games are the perfect personification of Kobe’s character.
If you followed the trial it was painfully obvious that the girl was looking to bank off her fling with Kobe. Kobe was guilty of adultery. So is probably 90% of the NBA and professional sports. But 90% of them don’t have to deal with the mind numbing burden of having to deal with the relationship with his wife in the public eye, having his name slandered (even to this day), losing sponsorships and endorsements, and UH also being the captain of the friggin Lakers. Despite that Kobe still performed exceptionally, even hitting a buzzer beater to beat denver ON THE SAME DAY as part of the trial. And that is Kobe’s character: no excuses, just get it done.
well said.
no excuses, just get it done.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
TY for the correction
I was thinking of guys like John Stockton and giving them the benefit of the doubt LOL
I don't know why.
The ones that appear the squeakiest of clean are usually the most messy behind closed doors. Morality is often confused with wise indiscretion from afar; just ask those that are the most rich and most powerful. They have learned to do their dirt most discreetly.
yeah ask MJ
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
then go ask Pete Carroll
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget to include Karl Malone,
In the “squeaky clean in public, messy behind closed doors” list.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
to his right hand
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
HAHA
somebody got it
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
what if he is ambidextrous? : )
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
LOL still gotta have a "main squeeze"
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
LMAO @ "squeeze"
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
It wasn't painfully obvious this girl was trying to bank off her fling with Kobe
I would hate to have a daughter. I would hate for her to be (allegedly) violated by someone who had money and power. I would hate for the shield laws that are in place to protect rape victims from being re-victimized by the allegation and trial process openly flouted by a high priced attorney and corners of the media that were sympathetic to the accused because the accused was really good at playing a kid’s game. I would hate for name and her sexual history to become common knowledge, despite the fact that her past history had no bearing on what happened in that room, all because the defense was trying to prove she wanted it (I’m sorry, I didn’t know we somehow agreed it was the 1950’s again and that no didn’t always mean no). I would hate for her to receive death threats, some that were so real that they were successfully prosecuted, because she didn’t keep quiet about it.
I have no idea what happened in that hotel room in Eagle, Colorado. I try not to think about it. I watch sports precisely because I do not want to not think about the types of things that might have happened in that hotel room, and what happened to that young woman after speaking out.
I am a big Laker fan. I love watching Kobe play basketball, though I generally feel he often does or tries to do too much offensively in terms of scoring when there are times when he would be better served to pass. I just generally try separating my love for Kobe the player with my utter ambivalence towards Kobe the person.
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"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
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Thats ridiculous.
I completely, completely, Completely, disagree with you.
Sorry
but Kobe was guilty of infidelity and thats about it. Look up the facts of the case that aren’t supported by just tabloids and newspapers but actual physical evidence that was brought in. Her rape exam should’ve been enough to tell you that there was no rape. Its not the 1950s and thats why there was a freaking court case that lasted for months and was settled out of court because the woman was being tortured by the media and fans who had nothing to do with the attorney’s trial proceedings. They didn’t speak her name, that was the tabloids. They didn’t expose all of the facts of the case, that was the newspapers. You get in a position where you accuse a high-profile personality and this is what happens because it is news. None of that was predetermined by Kobe’s lawyers. None of that supposedly dirty stuff that the defense tried was actually done by them besides the trying to prove that it was an act done out of consent. Proving that she consented is what they did because thats how you prove something was rape. I mean thats basic law, how do you get someone out of a rape allegation? Prove that the sexual act was in fact consensual. You can’t just throw someone in jail every time they scream rape, there has to be proof of which there was none in this case. So maybe try again on the reasons why the case was handled incorrectly by the defense and how they violated this young woman’s rights. Its called news and it will be printed if its high profile enough sorry if that offended you.
As for Kobe the person, I really don’t get too involved with him either. You shouldn’t because thats what causes you to call in death threats to people for smaller things than a rape allegation. You should separate the man from the basketball player all the time, and you should never consider them to be the same on and off the court in general. You wanna discuss the merits of the case go ahead, but the merits of Kobe as a person are too subjective to be put in a forum so please avoid mentioning so in the future.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
by Marty Mart on Sep 9, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Allow me to retort
Did you read C.A. Clark’s article? It was asking us do we think that an athletes morality have a place in or affect our appreciation of or opinion about sports, so I gave my opinion, namely that I try not to think about it.
I do remembering reading the LA Times articles about the case at the time and haven’t thought too much about since, so my memory about the details are hazy I admit.
However, I do remember that Kobe’s defense team brought up the accuser’s name over and over again during pre-trial hearings. I remember them being criticized for it, for violating the spirit of Colorado’s shield laws. Hell, Tina Fey did a skit on Weekend Update on Saturday Night Live where she mentioned Pamela Mackey’s (the head of Kobe’s legal team and a member of NOW if I remember correctly) name over and over again because she was so pissed off about it.
The defense team also brought up her past sexual and medical history, more or less arguing that she promiscuous and had mental health problems, i.e. she was a slut and a crazy one at that.
You mentioned the physical evidence, and there was evidence of physical trauma to the woman’s vaginal region and her blood was on Kobe’s t-shirt. Kobe’s defense was to have argued that the trauma was a result of her having multiple sexual partners leading up to the rape exam. I also remember that the accuser was wearing underwear that had someone else’s semen on it to the rape exam. I remember thinking when I read that, “That’s just gross. Why the hell is she wearing dirty drawers? That’s sketchy.” That being said, that is not evidence that sexual assault didn’t occur, simply that she had consensual sex with someone else in the days leading up to the rape exam.
I also remember that some made allegations that the accuser bragged about the incident. I don’t recall if any of these people testified in the trial, or if the trial got to the stage where witnesses testified, or even to the stage where witness lists were even confirmed.
Like I said, I have no idea what happened in that hotel room. I tried not to think about these things when the Lakers played. I cheered when they won and was upset when they lost. But I do remember thinking that it was weird to see how much undivided support Kobe was getting from Laker fans, especially from women who were calling the accuser a gold digger.
I respected Kobe for dealing with adversity the way he did. I thought speculation that he stopped shooting to teach his teammates a lesson in that Portland game was overblown. I remember the whole Kobe is a snitch thing for ratting out Shaq’s infidelities was harsh because he was being secretly recorded by a detective who was doing so illegally.
But he also needlessly put himself in the situation he was in. He also created unnecessary tension to an already stressful situation by calling out Shaq in the media, though there was substance to what he said about Shaq’s work habits. He also got into a verbal fight with Karl Malone the following season after all the positive things Malone had said about him and all the sacrifices Malone had made the season before.
Hmmmm...
If someone is wild, crazy, is mentally unstable, and has lots of random sex as a result of that mental instability, I see that as Absolutely Pertinent to the facts of the case.
If someone shows up with four too many guys semen on her, and claims to have been raped, I see that as pertinent to the facts of the case.
I’m not trying to be hard on anyone in particular and I am trying to be practically honest, and my practical side tells me people like to claim things that aren’t true so they can make money. She made her money. I find it very unlikely that she was raped because she was so very, very promiscuous. Blood on someone doesn’t mean much at all, because many men have made their women bleed from sex when there was no malicious intent at all.
Also, finally, fuck Karl Malone. If you want to go on he say she say; it was also widely speculated that Karl had commented on wanting to sleep with Kobes wife. I’d hate Karl Malone too.
Alas, I don’t know the end all be all; but I definitely disagree with you.
Well...
Like I said, I have no idea what happened in that hotel room.
You seem to have no problem with implying what you think happened.
And Malone? If a guy made even a half-hearted pass at my wife (wasn’t there something that Malone said to her there?), you bet I’d have words with him.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Too bad they haven't invented "instant transportation via computer monitor"
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Ok,
I get where you’re coming from about Kobe’s actions, I mean you’re more than right to question him after that, but you can’t question that there is no evidence but circumstancial evidence that said that Kobe committed the act. There are acts, that are consensual, that can cause blood and trauma that would also lead you to believe there was rape, but was really a consented act. The defense brought up her history of sexual partners because her sexual history is pertinent to understand the kind of activities they were involved in. You can’t rest your case on circumstancial evidence. The rape exam was practically useless because of how many partners she had after the fact and before. They also brought up her history of mental instability because that is relevant to show that she may be making this up after the fact because he is a celebrity and he does have money. I’m curious, if you were the defense lawyers, what would you have even rested your case on? His word? I shudder to think of the number of men wrongfully imprisoned before modern science because all they had was their word, and I believe that even one person wrongfully imprisoned is too many. You can’t have a defense predicated on that in a case like this. They pulled out everything that you have to in a rape case. You have to prove that she had additional partners around the time because that will give you a clue as to the state of her vaginal region at the time because that is important as to the amount of trauma it could take and had taken. You have to bring up sexual history and I’m sure had the case continued they even would’ve brought up sexual partners because of the fact that they need to set a precedent on the type of activities she enjoys. All of that is pertinent to prove why there is a possibility that the activities they were involved in were normal for her. You have to prove that she joined him to his room and that he didn’t force her there. You have to prove a mental history that is unstable in order to show that she may not be remembering this correctly. You have to point all of these things out if you want to get your client off. He had no alibi. He was in the room. All you can go on now is just evidence that presents the contrary of what the woman is stating. The defense was not brutal for bringing it up because that is what they had to do to get Kobe off because that is what defense lawyers are there to do. People reacted the way people react when someone they like is accused of something. I’m not exactly surprised there. I was just presenting the case to you and why the defense had to act the way they did and why I don’t see how you could think they were wrong about any aspect of what they presented.
Karl Malone was accused by Kobe’s wife of coming on to her and using a racial slur. According to the way you present cases, Kobe was more than right to react even without evidence that actually said that he did so. Precedent is a bitch.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
LOL, paragraphs, please!
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
sorry bout that
it was one of my one-minded responses so I wasn’t paying attention to how long it was getting. Wish I could go back and edit it all. lol.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
lol
it’s your calling card.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Allow me to explain
Is there a place for morality in SPORTS? Not Kobe, specifically. Speaking of specific athletes causes the types of responses that others get when you accuse their favorite player of being an ass off the court. Just state general things like I don’t care for players off the court or something, but coming to a Lakers blog and continuing to harp only about Kobe is suspect of someone whose only coming to share that they don’t care for Kobe and isn’t actually trying to speak on the topic at hand.
I get we’re a Lakers blog and thats why you mention Kobe, but at the same time, you’re on a Lakers blog only talking about Kobe when the question is about sports in general. Thats what I meant, extend your argument to more than just one player otherwise it looks like you’re fishing for a reaction and it looks like you’re just saying you don’t see how we cheer for him. It looked to me like you’re questioning the fanbase more than the player and thats why I mentioned it.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
I am probably just rambling at this stage
Tim Duncan is a great player and from everything I have read a great person but that doesn’t mean I want him to be successful on the court in any way shape or form. In fact, I want him to do poorly professionally, and I find him and his team kind of boring, even though what I have read suggests he and Pop are funny and engaging. My feelings toward Duncan and Pop would be radically different if they were in purple (or Forum blue) and gold.
Hell, that’s more or less what happened with my feelings toward Malone. Malone being the heart of that crazy ass 2004 team almost made up for all the elbows he threw out trying to secure a rebound or knees he kicked out on those one footed take offs of his when he was with Utah. (Still didn’t make up for his dumb ass hick comments about Magic’s AIDS that stunted Magic’s first comeback attempt, but what do you expect, Malone is about as hick as it gets.) If his knee would have held up, they would have beaten Detroit, just like in 1989 if Magic and Byron’s hamstrings would have held up.
I have always been a Laker fan first, and a basketball fan second. I grew up during ShowTime.
I loved the Lake Show teams of the 90’s to the extent that I will always defend Nick Van Exel (he didn’t push Garrettson, who flopped around like a hooked fish, and that Cancun thing was a joke to lighten the mood during a bleak situation that apparently no one thought was funny).
I am disappointed the Shaq and Kobe era didn’t last longer and didn’t produce more titles (I blame Del Harris for the latter and Shaq and Kobe for the former).
I followed them when things looked really bleak after Shaq was traded when seemingly everyone I knew took the Shaq side and stopped caring about the Lakers, when things looked really bleak when it looked like Kobe was going to be traded to the Bulls (apparently the hold up was Luol Deng, if the Bulls would have included Deng in the deal, Kobe would have been a Bull the last 3 seasons).
I love that this team has been able to turn it around and this team’s current roster.
I can’t remember how many times I found myself defending Kobe when everyone was blaming him for pushing out Shaq (Shaq pushed Shaq out, “Fucking pay me,” “I got hurt on company time, I’ll get treatment on company time”), for snitching on Shaq (to be fair, he was being secretly and illegally recorded, and that tape should never have been released), or for being a ball hog (Would you pass the ball to Kwame Brown and Smush Parker?).
If Kobe were on the Hornets, the team that drafted him, the Clippers, the team he almost signed with at the end of the 2004 season, or the Bulls, the team he was almost traded to at the end of the 2007, I wouldn’t care less about him. But he is a Laker for life at this stage and I have loved watching him play over the years, even if I occasionally find myself screaming “Pass the fucking ball” at the TV every now and then. But I forget, this is a Laker site, so I can’t ever say anything bad about Kobe without appearing to be a troll.
I brought up the rape case because someone said that it was obvious the accuser did the accusing so she could get paid. I didn’t think that was an obvious conclusion at all. There was definitely evidence to suggest that maybe it wasn’t rape, but there was also evidence to suggest that maybe it was, which is why I mentioned both the corroborating and the exonerating evidence. I think his defense team could defended him, with the evidence there, without kicking up the shit storm they did and without flouting the spirit of shield laws that are there to protect the accuser (though, again, there is a reason people hate lawyers).
Maybe it’s because I went to my college’s Take Back the Night a couple of times and found out that several of my close friends had been raped, maybe it’s because my mom was traumatized for being raped when she was an adolescent, but that’s not something that I take lightly. Maybe I have been lucky to only know the kind of people that would never falsely accuse anyone of anything, much less something so egregious as rape, so maybe there is part of me is a bit naive and a bit too trusting. But my initial reaction is that far too many rapes go unreported and are not prosecuted fully because of the type shit Kobe’s legal team pulled.
I agree with almost everything you said.
This part, I feel, is untrue.
But I forget, this is a Laker site, so I can’t ever say anything bad about Kobe without appearing to be a troll.
It’s all about context. If you join a game thread, you’ll read a lot of the same “Pass the fucking ball” comments and other stuff directed at Kobe. And the game recaps point out his flaws and shortcomings just like everyone else’s. People seem to think that because we all love Kobe that we think he’s perfect. Believe me, we know better. Again, it all comes down to context.
As for the rape allegations, Kobe did not believe he raped that young woman (I don’t believe it either), but he did concede that he could see how she felt it was rape. He was contrite and apologetic after the criminal case was dropped and I think he probably ponied up more than most people thought he should in the civil case. Rape is not to be taken lightly and I don’t think anyone here feels that it should. But it’s cases like the Duke lacrosse team that make people automatically assume “gold digger” and “liar” when an accusation is made (although it took place post-Kobe). I, for one, feel that Ben Worthlessburger should have his ass in jail because he has now shown a pattern of behavior that is dangerous to women. On the other hand, Anthony Anderson, an actor accused of rape, was able to prove his innocence before he was formally charged. It’s a touchy issue.
Sorry for the rant-response, but your comment was appreciated.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
by SoCalGal on Sep 10, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
people think we blindly worship Kobe without critiquing his game at all and that really pisses me off. They see what a few Kobe fans have to say and automatically think we are all biased homers.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Ok
…admittedly that was a snide remark and I thought about removing it a few times.
it wasnt really directed at you
mainly all the outside fans who think we are all ignorant idiots.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
but he did state it
so it applies to him too.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
I need to shut up about this
And like I said, none of this really affected my thoughts or feelings towards the Lakers at that time or since. I was still rooting for the Lakers and Kobe the player in 2004, and have been every season since. I just remember at the time not really talking about basketball at all with my friends from school because I didn’t want to open up that can of worms, even though several of them would bring up the trial and not getting how so many women were still wearing Kobe jerseys and t-shirts. I don’t know how we compartmentalize our love of a team from the actions of that team’s members outside of the game, but we do. I know I sure as hell did.
First of all
if thats the case, then the question should extend to why male victims of rape are still supporting Kobe and wearing his jerseys and things because women aren’t the only victims of rape.
Secondly, I’m not taking the rape case lightly, but the evidence was presented clearly. I only stated that as a defense attorney, they did what they had to do to get him off in this case which was present the evidence that they felt would clear his name. We can’t wear our hearts on our sleeves for everyone that claims rape because it does happen that people do scream rape and it didn’t happen. We can’t just throw everyone in jail who has been said to have raped someone, they used to do that and people have lost years of their lives without actually having committed a crime.
Third, I understand how rape victims feel. I know rape victims, its why I never laugh at rape jokes or participate in such things. Its why the fanshot that had rape jokes throughout the image did not go over well here for the majority of the commenters, and I’m still miffed at how it got enough recs to be green. We’re not insensitive to rape because one person stated that they thought she was a gold digger. Don’t try to make yourself seem like the bigger person just because you think you know more about something than others.
Lastly, we don’t compartmentalize. We accept that people make mistakes and that mistakes always occur and that people do in fact deserve a second chance. Jail wasn’t viewed always as somewhere we put people just to rot for years of their life, we used to call them rehabilitation centers and we actually tried to make it so people could have a second chance after jail. We give chance after chance because no one is freaking perfect, and if we cut ties with everyone whose ever committed even one freaking crime we’d have no one left to even think of giving a chance to. So thats why you compartmentalize or whatever you want to call it. Does that mean we forget what they’ve done? No, it just means we give them a chance regardless of the fact that we know what they’ve done in the past. You give people the benefit of the doubt and I hope you continue to do so because its not inherently a bad thing.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
by Marty Mart on Sep 10, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This comment is straight ignorance.
I forget, this is a Laker site, so I can’t ever say anything bad about Kobe without appearing to be a troll.
It shows both that (a) you haven’t spent much time here, and yet (b) you feel comfortable casting aspersions on SS&R based on experiences at other websites. That’s beyond weak.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Sep 10, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It was a snide remark
…and I admitted as much.
I have no problem with snide
I have a big problem with lazy and ill-informed.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Sep 10, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I should leave then.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Haha.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
It was in response to this, for whatever it's worth
Just state general things like I don’t care for players off the court or something, but coming to a Lakers blog and continuing to harp only about Kobe is suspect of someone whose only coming to share that they don’t care for Kobe and isn’t actually trying to speak on the topic at hand.
You are in fact
not a troll and I didn’t think you were one. I don’t see you around here often and I don’t care to look up to see who in fact you cheer for, but in reality the point still stands. You’re original comment barely stated anything about anyone other than Kobe and that is what I was addressing. Your comment didn’t even say anything towards the topic all you said originally was that you are completely ambivalent to Kobe the person. I said, please try to talk about other people than just Kobe because I was trying to steer the conversation away from the very topic we are embroiled in discussing and thats why I said it is subjective/objective because others view this incident one way and some view it another way. I was trying not to discuss this freaking topic over and over again. I see I failed.
Either way, I reiterate that you are not a troll. I was only trying to steer the conversation away from the topic of Kobe specifically because we are talking about sports generally. I realize Kobe is a part of it, but I wanted us to stay out of the specifics of one person over another. But whatever.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
Great article
Thanks for calling even us Laker fans out on our hypocrisies.
Yes, because we really needed it.
Speak for yourself. We’re not all hypocrites.
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--Woody Paige's Blackboard
"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry
I pledge allegiance to the Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Take a deeeeep breath and calm down.
He didn’t mean to point at you.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Why is everyone being told to breathe!?
breathes deep
…
rests…
…
breathes deep
Hey it's my friend, too long of a name to type out.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Unlike Ron, Matt doesnt typically put his business out there for all to see.
Ron artest likes to flaunt his problems/issues and likes to be the center of attention. I really havent heard alot about Matt and his personal likfe up until today. i think he shrugs this off, takes whatever penalty (if any) comes from this and goes back to business. He knows what he signed up for and that is a championship contending team who isnt going to take any crap from anyone on the team.
I mean, did you see how well behaved Ron was all of last year (well, maybe except for his xmas incident * hennesey comment). but those were all very small encounters compared to some of the other shenanigan he has tried to pull throughout his years in the NBA.
Im not too worried about this as it seems they were simpy in an argument and there was some physical altercation. both were ok and the lady didnt seem to have any serious injuries (according to the police report). I expect Matt, after this incident, to be even more cautious with his personal life cuz he knows hes gonna get some shit from Kobe and Fish if he messes up again.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
But his comment about Hennessey was that he did it in the past, not that he was currently engaged in halftime drinking. No big deal.
As for his Christmas “incident”, the dude says he fell down the stairs and there is no one to prove otherwise. I don’t know why people made such a big deal about it. The only person harmed was Ron, and the only effect was his being out for five games following that accident. Yes, I do believe it was an accident, one hour after the game ended, not a whole lot of time to get shitfaced between Staples Center and home. Again, no big deal. The Lakers won the championship, concussion notwithstanding.
If Matt Barnes, who has yet to play one fucking game in a Lakers uniform, laid his hand on his fiancée, he needs to pay the price, just as Chris Brown did when he beat up Rihanna.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
preach on
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I love "Glee"!!
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
LOL i luv the young hottie on that show
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
But I won’t hit you.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I think you I need to take this outside.
: )
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Oh, no!
Who will sing the longest! Who will cause Jevon O to fall asleep the fastest!
SACtown fling
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah see I knew his woman was on "basketball wives"
How stupid of me to think that they were actually married.
lol.
i can see why u were confused there.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
It wasn't Gloria James was it!?! Dang, she is an enterprising lady.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
I doubt Matty B 'chrisbrownd' his girlfriend
If that was the case, they’d have locked him away, thrown away the key, and recycled the trash can they threw it away in already.
I’m not saying he’s innocent either. I’m saying he’s stupid for dating someone he can get so emotionally charged with.
I’m also saying I’m not judging till I hear the facts. I’m actually staying more to the non blaming side since they “both had injuries.” That sounds quite fishy. If Matt Barnes attacked some small, attractive woman he was dating I doubt they’d come out with “similar injuries,” unless his girlfriend was Lamar Odom.
Didn't he see what happened to Steve McNair
Bitches are crazy. you gotta be careful when you are paid like a professional athlete.
by LongLiveLA on Sep 9, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
female dogs?
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a little known fact, but Matt Barnes is a chief advocate for the new bestiality movement.
Not coincidentally, so is Dexter.
"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."
--Woody Paige's Blackboard
"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry
I pledge allegiance to the Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Sep 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
but Ron went out and expained exactly what happened, almost looking for attention. If that had happened to Kobe or Fish, you would have heard a short story about how they slipped at home and bruised their ankle or something. Ron goes on and on about triiping over boxes and rolling down stairs.
All im saying is that Ron likes his business out there and enjoys seeing his name in the press. Im not sure Barnes does. Now, If Barnes did harm to the lady, he does deserve a punishment but from what i have read there was little harm to both of em. (Chris Brown is a coimpletely different story – did you see rihanna’s pic – that was nasty). I think Barnes shapes up after this incident and kinda shun the press. Ron would have done the opposite.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
It doesn't matter that he explained what happened. Reporters asked him questions, he tried to answer them. He didn't do anything wrong.
It might have been ill-advised in light of his previous comments about drinking when he was in Chicago, but it was not wrong. Ron is not like anyone else, certainly not Kobe or D-Fish.
I don’t know enough about Matt Barnes to know whether he likes to keep his private life private or not. As for Rihanna’s face, do you have to look like you got beat with a baseball bat for it to be abuse? Who knows what happened in Matt’s house? Only Matt and his SO. The fact that both had injuries is the most important part of this story. Because he is a man, he was assumed to be the aggressor. The dude is 6’8" and whether she hit him first or not, he should have walked away. Bottom line. Yes, I know women can be abusive and violent, but he should know better in his situation. He should have learned from Jason Kidd if no one else.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Its all speculation on my part right now.....
Until the complete facts are out, there is no way to tell. Im just going off what the police report said. both had minor injuries. She could have pounched him, she could have thrown the phone at him, he could have tried to hold her down and caused her to fall, you could have hit her………….. you just never know. I just interpreted that both were being physical but there was no major injuries or harm done.
Im a pretty big guy (6’6" 280), but ive been in my share of confrentations with smaller women. and you should knoe how crazy women can get. ive been in a pretty crazy one with a girl who was throwing constant punches into my stomach, relentleslly. theres not much else a man can do except grab her and try to pin her down. That is what i did, but ended up hurting her in the process. So, damage can be done without the intent to do so.
I guess we just wont know for sure until both their stories come out.
(sorry bout my typing – i hate going back through to check it, lol)
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
God knows thats true.
Thats why you have to distance yourself from crazy women. Its hard to know when you have one, though.
In general
If she’s throwing punches non-stop. That’s a clue she’s fucknuts.
Just saying.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
just a little too much alchohol!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Then that is someone who should not drink. And if she doesn't figure that out, she's trouble.
You have to know your limits and what alcohol or anything will do to you.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
well lets just say, that that relationship ended that night.
I dont get down with fucknuts…….
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
be my guest
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
You did the right thing. All too often we see evidence of people who don't.
My brother had a situation with an ex-girlfriend and he was actually arrested, even though she attacked him and his crime was restraining her to keep her from hurting him further; I took photos of his injuries and she had none. Fortunately, the charges against him were dropped. I understand the urge to hit back, but you have to use your head.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
true, a headbutt is 1000x more damaging.
by LongLiveLA on Sep 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and you can blame it on the kitchen counter or the table or the stairs.........
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I think
Head-butts are frowned on also. Plus, they only work in the movies.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
LLLA is on top, buddy
{smirks} …….thats what she said………
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
probably.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!?
I WAS ON FUCKING TOP!!!!!!!!
That is some BULLSHIT!
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Yeah, happens to me all the time.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
knew u would insert a one liner in this convo some where.
just wasnt sure where
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
hee hee
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Just accept it man, I am on top.
of your mom. OOOH SNAP. alright I’m going back to work have fun kiddies.
JK about ur mom LOL cheers
GORRAMMIT!
I’m going back to the Cowboys blog. This is bullshit. Fucking forum broke, stealing Durant, telephone poles.
Fuck this.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
LOL
calm down tex
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Tex!?!
Oh, hell naw! I’m an Okie, dude! Last time I checked Google maps we were on top of Texas. Don’t confuse me with those crazy fools.
For God’s sakes man, those people think Jesus rode dinosaurs!
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
LOL
tex was in reference to that damn cowboy star you got there
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
CALM THE FUCK DOWN!
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24
loud noises!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
lol I was thinkin this!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
ummmm
headbutts dont only work in the movies
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
and realize that when a man hits a woman,
alot more damage is done (most of the time).
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Which goes to my point about size.
Imagine being hit by Shaq vs. being hit by his now ex-wife Shaunee. Who’s gonna get the worst of it? These guys are enormous and I don’t think we realize it because on the court they all look the same. But when you see Kobe standing next to Vanessa, you think, “Goddamn, Kobe is huge!” Even Fisher towers over his wife and he’s only 6’1". Something to think about before retaliating. Unless she pulled a Lorena Bobbitt on you, best to walk away.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
even IF a woman is as tall as her man
she still dont got the weight in most cases.
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
True, unless she's in a circus sideshow.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
LOL
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
or Khloe kardasian.
jk, SCG, jk
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
she would still get whooped by her man
my wife is an inch shorter than me and im 6’ 1" but i out weigh her by alot…..density
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't blame everything on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol. Some people are just born crazy.
"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."
--Woody Paige's Blackboard
"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry
I pledge allegiance to the Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Sep 9, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed FoEva
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't value morality in sports
I tend to judge athletes on how their decisions, moral or immoral, affect their game, their team and their fan. For example, I don’t care about Tyreke Evans disregard for the law but its bothersome that he puts himself in a position where he could get hurt and disappoint his fans. I feel the same way about Roethlisberger riding without a helmet while I don’t care about his indiscretions. I would have a problem with Barnes incident if it happened in the playoffs where it could be a potential distraction. Right now, it doesn’t matter.
I guess I just don’t care if it doesn’t go beyond the athlete and their entourage. Usually, it’s not even about the decisions. I hate how the recent events affected Tiger’s game. I wish he handled it better but i don’t care about his adventures since he showed he could play well while still…exploring his options. The same way i don’t care about Lebron decision, his night in vegas or the staged celebration in Miami but i hate that he dumped cleveland on national tv.
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
As an aside pertaining to Woods
The one person he should have hired as his personal motivational/advice giver would be none other than Kobe Bryant. Why did Tiger hold 30 minute press conferences, talking all that religious jargon, apologizing over and over, enroll himself into a sex clinic, and assist others in dragging his name through the mud? He must’ve known he was doing naught but appearing weak. Wolves are attracted to weakness.
Tiger opened himself to the knives that were blazing toward his back, and by showing himself soft and unprepared, he appeared to wither from the trouble he faced. Kobe, on the other hand, let his actions speak for itself. He got a tattoo, yea, but he also Played Basketball. In other words, screw the interviews, let me do my job.
Damn, Tiger, just do your job.
by Jevon O on Sep 9, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
The best thing he could have done was to continue on with business as usual and not let his personal life affect his game.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Always easier said than done of course
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
True
It’s hard to judge things like this from afar, but it’s noticeable when you have a clear example of what to do in these situations (Kobe) compared against how not to handle them (Tiger).
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
It's also interesting to consider this article in the context of the dwight howard story from yesterday
In case you didn’t see it there was a really heart warming story about dwight howard fulfilling a terminally ill cancer patient’s last wish by spending some time with her. It was really quite touching, but does it make you like dwight howard more as a player? To be honest it’s kind of hard not to.
likes him more as a person
don’t see him any different as a player though
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
agreed
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just gonna type something up about this.
I tend to ignore players who put themselves in bad situations. However, on the other hand, player like Dwight who go out of there way to do good for others, earn my respect and I find myslef cheering for them (as long as they arent playign the lakers).
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
i always cheered for lil supe but not agianst the Lakers
the story makes him a better person in my eyes but does nothing to change me view personally
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a minute
I thought Howard just got in trouble for taking his kid from daycare and scaring the bejesus out of his ex-wife?
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
naw that was Ron Howard
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
didnt hear that.
when was this?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
No. Dwight heavily disputed what his girlfriend was doing
She was trying to get attn. for being a baby mother of an NBA player. Dwight didn’t want his child in pictures or the news.
I don't think that matters
You can’t just show up unannounced at the daycare and declare that you have custody all of the sudden. Courts call that kidnapping. That’s felony shit!
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Preach
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
HIS side....
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as your on one side of the fence or the other
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel the same way
I find myself cheering for him and wishing him a succesful career as long as it doesn’t get in the way of the Lakers road to domination.
I respected Dwight Howards effort.
It will not get much attention, due to the nature of the story.
yup
had he commited a crime it would be all ova the news
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know,
every major news site that I visited has something about it. Sure, it’s not dirt and I guess that’s where you are going — dirt sells better than good deeds, but nonetheless, I think it got at least some press.
In reference to the feature post — it is a very thought provoking topic and I really like it.
Personally speaking, I don’t tend to idolize athletes (for me those put on a pedestal are real people, people that I know intimately like my dad or grandpa, etc, etc.) and I think that’s one of the problems with athletes and fans today. Fans have a tendency to idolize players too much and then when they screw up the fans feel all betrayed and what not.
So, in short, my answer would be no, guilt doesn’t really bother me when it comes to the players whom I root for ‘cause I don’t feel betrayed by them nor do I expect them to be perfect. I’ll root for them in their sporting lives all the same.
Oh, and I would totally agree that consistency on the morality issue would be nice. Be the same for the teams you love as well as rivals, but I’m thinking that may almost be close to impossible as the very definition of fandom seems to be "bias for one’s own team". {Sigh}
yes yes
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Better to idolize an athlete
Than these stupid ass lazy ass talentless actors that everyone seems to be enamored with.
Athletes take a Lot of time to hone their craft, while these politicians and actors peddle bullshit.
Give me Kobe; I’ll learn 1000 more lessons about life from him.
reality stars rock!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Jersey Shore FTW
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
OMG you didnt!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
GTL baby, GTL!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
uhhg
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yea... them too
The bottom of the barrel of filth. No talent. No discipline. Nothing. Just alcohol, and a TV deal.
agree
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
to a certain
extent I totally hear you. At least with an athlete you are actually seeing real emotion and real feeling play out on the court as opposed to someone “acting” in a movie or tv show or whatever.
And, I don’t idolize actors, either. I may drool over a few, sure, but idolize? Nope.
Sorry i kinda idolize Harrison Ford....
real honest to gooness Hero
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he makes me gooey too.
;-)
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
LOL typo
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You might want to get that checked out.
"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."
--Woody Paige's Blackboard
"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry
I pledge allegiance to the Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Sep 9, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, I'm good.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
pretty sure thats a natural female reaction to an attractive man........
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
LOL yeah
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting gooey?
I must be missing something. My girl gets chafey and grumpy. I always thought that happened because I’m more manly than Old Spice Guy.
more manly than this guy?!?

ppssshhhhhh!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
LOL
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
That's unpossible.
He’s on a horse.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I wonder where you got that word from...
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Sep 10, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, I know you used it the other day, but I have heard it before (longtime FARKer here).
;-)
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
don't remind me :-)
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
How YOU doin'?
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Mighty well, if I may say so myself.
Get that goo thing fixed, and we might have something to talk about!
Goo does a body good.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
interesting ….
I must learn some day about this “good for the body” goo. I assumed only Milk did such things.
Milk, and ample servings of my manliness.
your manliness is a result of woman's goo
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
My manliness is a result of the cosmos
Who am I to question the great will of He Who Bestows Thine Manliness
….
…
…
Certainly wasn’t goo that did it.
Ello there
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
>.<
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
What is that?
Is that supposed to symbolize Kate Moss’ butt or something?
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a 2 x 4 with your penis?
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Be patient young scout.
Both P words shall have their proper recompense.
But my line was actually funny
And I used a James Bond character as a movie reference.
But I digress, I have nothing but respect for Mr. Dexter. Even if his TV show did kinda suxor.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Dexter is the shit.
He would murdur you (if you killed someone)

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
whoa whoa whoa.
A gentleman doesn’t discuss such things.
Dex? Handle my lightweight would you please? A warning is in order.
(Not actually sure if warning is in order; but it might be. If that is the case, flame me not for being able to see the future, for this post was simply in jest)
It was just a line from Real Genius.....
shoulda put quotes up i guess….and Chief quit ur bitchin
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Give it time, chile, you've been here one day.
Your humor must be learned.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Woah.
Them is fightin’ words!!!111
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Keep it clean(er).
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Sep 10, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I could never drool over an actor.
They’re nobody’s to me. You see these fake action stars and they look cut and big on the screen and in real life they’re 5’7’’ 155 lbs. Fuck that nonsense. I hate the CG, the make up, the artificiality of Hollywood. And I never knew it meant so much to so many women because I never paid attn. to magazines… then I realized.
Its like a cancer.
There’s something pure about the work of an athlete, its something that I can inherently respect. Not so with Hollywood. That culture is trash to me.
Those athletes that are at the top of the chain.
Think Kevin Durant, Kobe Bean
except Harrison 60 some year old wont do an action movie unless he does ALL hit own stunts
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
this help?
http://www.helis.com/news/2000/harrford.htm
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
or this??
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-11-2001-3953.asp
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
ha
your efforts are to be commended, but I don’t think he/she (sorry, I don’t know if Jevon is a male or female?) is going to come around. And that’s ok.
Movies and actors, for me, are an escape, a pure form of entertainment, a guilty little pleasure, if you will. I realize that movies and the actors/actresses in them are fake, but that’s the whole point for me. To get lost in the fabulousness and outrageousness of it all for a short time.
LOL thanks BSC!
and i agree….great pastime for me. I just mentioned this 1 actor as somebody worth lokking up to is all.
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
but that is a little more than just humanitarian if you ask me. :)
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, I read it and looked highly upon it
Thats really cool that he helped those people!
u never knew that eh? he is a pretty amazing "actor"
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
breathe
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
well,
then I suggest you get a damn profile picture up so everyone knows for sure. I bet you are quite cute, ornery as hell, but cute. : )
LOL BSC
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean... I'll oblige
I just gotta get done breathing deeply ;)
haha smartass
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
happily taken, sorry,
but that doesn’t mean I can’t drool or look. Hell, even married people look, it means we are still alive!
Can you explain this to my wife!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
haha if she dont get it now....she never will!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
you can look at the menu as long as you dont
eat the take out@!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Barnes tried to eat the take out
and the take out ate him
lol damn!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Bada-bing!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
So he's dating Naomi Campbell? I thought it was Gloria James.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
Ohhhhhhhh boy,
Just got the banhammer. Actually a warning. And my awesome post deleted.
I’m gonna go suck my thumb for a while.
I swear I was just being fuuuuunnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyy (dissolves into tears)
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
It wasn't even close to the banhammer
When the banhammer comes, you’ll know it.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Sep 9, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
We will all know it!
The banhammer is nothing short of apocalyptic!
I'm sooooorrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy!
Please don’t be mad. I could have swore that shit was funny.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
dammit, i missed the action.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
It's Legendary.
http://citizengame.ca/wp-content/images/ban_hammer.jpg
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
LOL
Funny stuff. Read your profile!
Red wine- good. Bourbon? ehhhhhh.
Replace Bourbon with something Actually Good and you’re a keeper!
what?
you don’t like bourbon?!?!? That’s crazy and downright Un-American! Saying you don’t like bourbon is like saying you don’t like apple pie. It’s just, well, it’s wrong. : )
Oh, and hey to you, too, bluexfalcon. I’ll bet you like bourbon, don’t ya? : )
You bet I do!
:-D
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
i LOVE apple pie!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
How YOU doin'?
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
im good thanks!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit Sarge
messin’ up a man’s game
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
LOL with all this shit goin on looked like you was askin me how i was doin...
i was touched
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
lmao
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
lol
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
You, and your mini-rant about actors.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Forget you then... calling it a Mini Rant.
It was more like a soliloquy, or a lullaby, or some well thought out commandments on life.
I should put it on some tablets… and throw them at people.
i suggest you dont throw shit at me
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If you have a gun, I won't.
If you’re unarmed?
IN IF YOU WANT SOME
LOL
ok we can use hand to hand combatives then
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You use hands
I use Tablets.
It is what it is.
i cant follow the tree either
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Actors
take years to hone their craft as well. And they go through way more body fluctuations and dieting for the roles that some of them get. They lose weight, gain weight, put on muscle, go through extreme workouts, and all types of stuff to make sure they get roles. I can’t see how you would question all actors because a couple guys were shorter than they looked or less muscular than you thought. Actors go through a lot to get to where they are and no one kisses their ass for quite a long time unlike athletes who get the best of the best to maintain where they are and get to where they’re going.
I truly think that actors, good ones, are people you can look to for work ethic as well. You got people like will Smith going through boxing regimens and putting on muscle to be Ali. You got Christian Bale who was practically anorexic in the Machinist and then the next year beefed up to play Batman. You know how hard that it is. Just saying, there is something there for the great actors, just like there are for the best athletes. Because I know you don’t admire the work ethic of Baron Davis.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
It almost seems wrong just to say "will and work ethic"
Because it is So much more. The bar is so high for him, and he repeatedly reaches it. You get to grade him almost day in and day out, and he is constantly performing. constantly.
Thats something to learn from
I don't think I value it much
I’ve always thought that off the court issues should never affect what happens on the court. I always felt Kobe was only guilty of adultery which so many non-celebrities are guilty of all the time. Still, I also felt that those accusations affected him on the court as he could not buy a foul immediately after Eagle, CO. He still doesn’t go to the line as much as other superstars but it is finally changing now that he is an NBA darling again.
Look at Melo after his fight in MSG. The 15 game suspension was way overblown and I heard commentators saying his image is ruined irreparably. Melo, LBJ, and D-Wade had the NBA for the taking and it’s looking like Durant could take over them all, except maybe Wade.
But Durant probably won't be the new NBA's face because thats not him.
He’s more the Tim Duncan type. Wall has the persona though and could be it in a few years if he lives up to the hype.
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
Durrant is such a thug....lol
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim Ducan is straight gangsta
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
YO YO!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ducan?
A new player coming into the league? Is he foreign?
haha
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Duncan...you pain in my....
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
He was awesome
In the Green Mile. Only man to grab Tom Hanks privates and live to tell.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Michael Clark?!
Oh yea… you should’ve seen him in Slammin Salmon. He was Hilario!
Nene?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
lol yea they did a good job on his make up and voice
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
Um... No.
You mustn’t have been watching Durant in this years FIBAs…
He’s taking over Every Single Game they need him to. Everyone defers to him, and he’s playing aggressive.
+10000 for the Durant taking over the league possibility.
he is a Demi-god!
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
of course Durant will be awesome
but he will always shy away from the attention. Thats why I don’t see him as the face of the league for long.
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
naw he is a killer
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
not even close he's transcendental
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
OK i see we are not gonna agree here....lol
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I see him as the Next Kobe Bryant Micheal Jordan hybrid.
He can shoot better than an M1A1, but he’s skinny, tall, and fast. I swoon when I watch the USA games, no homo.
I never knew he was this good.
i did
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I know now.
He put up 33 against Russia today. And they were all beautiful shots. Russia was getting depressed. Him and Lamar work Beautifully together. You should’ve seen him and Odom running the floor, playing D, and saw Billups and the rest of the team deferring to him over and over and over and over and over.
He’s taking someones starting spot on the next Olympics squad, because he’ll be the Best shooter on the team.
imagine him and an aged to perfectiohn Kobe in a few years
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark my words
He will be there. OkC is too small for him.
WAAAAMYBURGER time?
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop following me around.
I’m getting jumpy. And it was your damn seque I was following that almost got me banned. Wasn’t it?
And don’t think I didn’t notice you went out for ice cream when I needed your backup.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
I don't follow nobody
I comment where I see fit and that’s about it. When it comes to Kevin Durrant I would personally (as a true Lakers fan) love to see him in purple and gold someday and think he would fint in well.
That is the comment I made up there ^^ about him playing with an aged Kobe and how I “imagine” it. As I, Sarge “imagine” it would be AWESOME!
Either way I do not think I am following you around and had not a damn thing with your “banning” incident so just take a chill pill the buddy boy.
And I have no clue as to getting ice cream and havin your back agianst the one and only DEXTERFISHMORE!
I just “met” you on here and although you seem cool im not gonna have your said back since i’ve been here for a year commenting at this loverly establishment.
That said have fun blogging!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hooah
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Hey wait a minute!
U getting mad? You’re not supposed to get mad! Every damn thing I say is tongue in cheek. I thought we were having fun!
I can’t believe it, only been here one day and I’ve already worn out my welcome?
I has a sad now. Somebody post a LOLcat for me please.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
lolcat.jpg
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
by bluexfalcon on Sep 9, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The question is: Will OKC be loyal to him?
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
not for the right price
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
that wouldn't be awesome
especially if he keeps improving his defense. We could have a team with a dominant front court and super offense and defense. danm
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
Stop it! Stop it right now!
Durant is staying in Oklahoma. Ya’ll fucking mind your own business.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
ummmmm
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats what
Bucks fans said about Kareem
Philly fans said about Wilt
Orlando fans said about Shaq
see a pattern?
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Its hard to fathom that Portland
took Oden instead of Durant. Boy do they have bad luck in drafts……..
well except for that whole Roy for Foye trade.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
for a lakerfan
your level of creativity is not that high.
When Dr. Buss days, “Get it done, Mitch!” all your whining will be for naught. :-)
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
go away
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Too far.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Sep 10, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
He could, but I don't think Mitch's wife will approve.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
LOL
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If morality mattered...
let’s be real guys; if it really mattered, than none of us would watch sports in general. Most of these
guys are assholes and have messed up personal lives. Personally, I don’t care what they do off the court/field, as long as they are the greatest athletes available to play. I want to see guys who are better than everyone else. I care about the product. Just like when you buy something off the shelf, the CEO who owns that company is probably an asshole, but if the product is better than other products, then I buy it.
by The Phil Jackson 5 on Sep 10, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted no but there should really be an option that reads...
“It Depends What It Is” because I could care less what an athlete does off the court in his/her personal life. There are certain issues that I would consider crossing the line. I think that even comes more into consideration if I had a child who was a fan of a player with bad moral values.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Morality in sports.
Morality does have a place in sports and just because they are athletes shouldn’t excuse their behaviors. Depending on the infraction the team should be able to void their contract completely and the athlete should be put on playing probation for several years. This shit that the athletes and celebrities are puliing is crap and they need to be held accountable and not just a slap on the hand, hit them hard money wise and jail time.
by California Mobile CPR on Sep 9, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
But not exactly
Our judicial system isn’t exactly the most practical or just. Lets take the example of Matt Barnes: lets say he’s fined $100,000 for his indiscretion, or better yet, put in jail for 3 months. Sure these are punishments, but they also have consequences on innocent people, like his children (and even his long-term girlfriend) who depend on him to financially support them.
Morality has a place in sports, but we must recognize that people make mistakes, for good or bad reasons, and that most mistakes are correctable. I don’t understand why people cry for punishment, when redemption and rehabilitation are much more important for individuals and society. The character of an athlete often bleeds over onto the court, inspiring play in different ways. It is important to their narrative and important in how I view them as people and idols.
I hope Barnes is not at fault in this instance, but if he is, he deserves to be prosecuted, penalized, and put through the gauntlet of anger management classes and whatever other therapies are helpful.
KAREEN!
WHERES KOBY?
I BLAME PAT RAILLY FOR YOUR LONG ASS PARAGRAPH
by Jevon O on Sep 9, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL damn agian!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Kareeme!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
in if you want some!
Its not my fault your username is dangerously close to LEWIS MONROE’s spelling.
PS: I like your comeback!
to be honest
that line never stops being funny… IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN
It’s my birth name, last initial. No connection to Mr. Sky hook.
LOL added humor from KAREENE!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
WOAH WOAH WOAH.....
hold a minute son….where was ur RECin in the last thread after you laughed at mah shit?
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHA!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet you know who I am
I will :D
by KOBYLEWISMONROEFTW! on Sep 9, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, spelling is too good.
I know who it is.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
LOL! thanks alot sister
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
WHO IZ IT
I’M HAVYNG A IDENTYTY CRYSIS!
by KOBYLEWISMONROEFTW! on Sep 9, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
my guess
either SCG or BXF
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark
"I don’t always celebrate, but when I do, it’s when the Lakers win championships. Stay thirsty my friends." - gen!e
i know i just read through the rest of the thread >.<
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark
"I don’t always celebrate, but when I do, it’s when the Lakers win championships. Stay thirsty my friends." - gen!e
LOL not me!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I always root for the forces of good.
And so should you.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
by 99bc99 on Sep 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
LOL BC
wat a pic! haha
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
To me the answer is yes
but I have my own personal standards that I hold players to.
For example, I won’t knock a guy for drunk driving, possession, and that kind of stuff…but if someone is found guilty of beating his wife or something seriously wrong in my opinion? Of course I’m going to consider it…
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Getting arrested for drunk driving is not only stupid, it's unnecessary. Hire a fucking driver or take a taxi. You can afford it.
And if you injure or kill someone, pay the price.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
But I was just driving and the alcohol slipped out my hand and down my throat!
I was only going straight home!
…
….
…
I won’t even mention Charles Barkley’s excuse
my Aunt was killed by a drunk that ran onto the curb.
drunk driving is as bad as hittin somebody
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I know two people who were killed by drunk drivers.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
and i dont wat drunk drivers near my 2 boys
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, in all seriousness
Driving while impaired to the point of being dangerous is no laughing matter.
not at all :)
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
just to lighten the mood.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Mood lightened.
Although I hate the cat pictures.
You're not kidding
I almost got banned for posting the funniest line evar!
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
im sure if you were given a warning,
it was innapropriate. dex dont mess around.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
If that was the funniest line evar
Then comedy is not your strong suit.
Stick to ’dem Boys. I hope they do well also, I like it when everyone is hating on Dallas.
what was the line?
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well... seeming as the line caused someone to almost be banned
It shall not be repeated.
It had to do with a synonym for cat, but did not obviously relate to felines at all.
it was a joke that failed and ....
oh well i doenst matter as long as the wammyburger ceases
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sir, there was no fail
That joke had so much mass it sucked all the light up and disappeared.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
blah blah Cowboys blah blah......lol
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Bullshit
I was talking about James Bonds girlfriend. They just made a damn kids movie out of her name for God’s sake!
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
So imagine he typed a line that was deleted and he got a warning.
Why would anyone repeat said deleted line and get a warning?
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
aww then I missed it :(
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 9, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG we aint ova this yet....lol
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
ok eat away.....
my further comment is to have no more comment
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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn, dude, that is huge!
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I lost my aunt to someone's driving drunk too. It's stings to hear people laugh off DUIs.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
That's fine if that's your opinion
I have tons of friends with DUI’s and I still believe they are morally upstanding people. Just like I don’t knock them or wag my finger at them, I wouldn’t do that to an athlete either. Like I said I have my own set of standards.
It’s downright impossible to have decent discussions on these boards anymore it would seem…hahaha.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Yeah....just like it is your opinion
that a DUI is less than somebody beating their wife or something. See here is the deal DUI without “hurting” anybody we see as fine cause most of us have done it or our friends have.
But when you get older and wise the F up then you see that they (DUI) were not in control of their minds OR bodies and got extremely lucky to NOT have hurt somebody.
So opinions are like? and most of them stink or so im told. Either way BOTH a DUI (which IS a conviction BTW) and convicted assault is just as bad as each other.
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
people die as a result of speeding and running red lights too
You can get a DUI after having driven home after 3 beers.
If you think that that is just as morally wrong as assault and battery against your wife, I guess you and I just have different perceptions of society.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Have you ever lost someone close or had them mangled due to some moral upstanding person's DUI?
People need to wise up and realize a DUI isn’t just a traffic ticket.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
meh
my point wasn’t that I don’t care at all about DUIs, I just distinguish them from things like domestic abuse, rape, battery, what michael vick did, etc. because I know plenty of DUI situations where people have been perfectly capable of keeping themselves and others around them safe, but have still been pulled over or gotten caught.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
If those people were impaired to the point that they were noticed by the police, they probably shouldn't have been driving.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
and thats why morals should have nothing to do with sports. they don't keep you from making poor decisions
Instead of following morals, I live by “doing unto others as I would have others do unto me”. Obviously it doesn’t always work because stalking SCG in the hopes that she will stalk me back would certainly not end as I envision. To help with that, another way I like to look at things is to look at best and worst outcomes. Anyways for the sake of argument, lets say you are an athlete who just had a major argument with your wife. You are angry and frustrated but have only two choices: (again for the sake of argument, there are no other conceivable choices)
1-Pimp slap your wife and go watch my “Decision” marathon espn
2- Storm out of the house angry, drive to a bar, get shit faced and then drive home.
If we weight the pros and cons of both choices, we might get something like this:
In the first scenario, if you’re lucky, you’ll go apologize to her, say you won’t do it again, bla bla bla, and you guys will have earth shattering make up sex. (if you’re really lucky, she will…well never mind). But if you are unlucky, she’ll be temporarily blind in one eye, calls the cops, you’ll go to jail, might do some time, etc… Yes, you will disappoint your fans, your team, your children (yes, you, the athlete, have children) but eventually you can make it up to everyone involved by showing how serving time has made you a softer man.
In the second choice, you, the lucky athlete, drive home and back safely and actually get the number of a chick at the bar. She spent the evening telling you how “well” she treats her men. Now, Im sure everyone knows about the worst case scenario, so no need for details. Athlete drives back in shitty weather, dies in car crash also killing passengers in other car. There will be no apologies, no making it up to anyone, just people left mourning.Oh I almost forgot, to make it worse, that woman that gave you her number in the bar… well… you were too drunk to realize that she was a he.
So I understand you’re cool with someone driving drunk but Im more comfortable with the other evil. Im sure no wife would want their husband to drive drunk either and if they did…well they deserve to be pimp slapped. Ok I lied, no one deserve to be pimp slapped. But, can a pimp be pimp slapped?
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
Needs more "pimp"
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
It's still pretty live :D
I’m new here (haha) but the mods probably know who I am :D
by KOBYLEWISMONROEFTW! on Sep 9, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
i concur
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I will hold a live press confrence aired on ESPN
and people can guess who I am.
Here’s you’re hint: SUP_______
by KOBYLEWISMONROEFTW! on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
Gotta figure out how to keep up.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I lurked SS&R for months before I posted.
=]
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Me too.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
me three
And the less penetration Yao has to deal with the better both for his foot and his strength
-a Rockets fan
me four
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
ha! stalkers....
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
dyx...
lol
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
still here!
trying to figure out who the fuck this is?
i still think its Sarge.
He responds to everything quickly, just like Sarge does.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
dude....not me
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
then i have no idea.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
i really dont care....lol
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
SCG?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
still dont care....
plus i wont be around at 5pm Pac time
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
neither will i
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Dude, my guess goes to 99bc99
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24
Jevon O?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
LOL you...
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Sep 10, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Guys it was freaking me
I did not think that you guys would not guess me….
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24
turrible hint
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Sup smart_guy
Here’s you-are hint? I don’t get it. Where’s the smarter_guy when you need him to clarify? lol
Just because you throw someone a pass, and they score, it doesn't mean you made them a better player.
by LakerUNLTD on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmao
++
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
well dude I wrote SUPER_____
Came out wrong. It was supposed to be SUPERPWRS, the first RC that I had ever posted.
Whaaat?, why are you looking at me like that? There was nothing else that I could think of that was not too obvious and is related to this site..
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24
ANSWYER COMYING AT 5:00
BE SUYRE TO CHEYCK YOURE IDENTITY CRYSIS PERSOUN THEYN
by KOBYLEWISMONROEFTW! on Sep 9, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions
If the fans dont hold them accountable who will?
We all used to think it was ok if people did whatever they wanted off the field or court as long as the performed on. If we the fans don’t hold each other and the players accountable for all of their choices who will? People basically perform and live up to what is expected of them based on their abilities….
presumably the law, though I see your point
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I don't tend to care about most of that stuff...
For me, I really only care if it affects the team. I don’t tend to worry about what anyone does with their personal lives, including athletes. So in this case, I really don’t plan on worrying about it, as long as its resolved, and it doesn’t affect his game for us. Now, if it starts becoming an issue and noticably affecting the Lakers’ performance on the court, then it starts affecting me and my happiness, and I then have serious issues with what the player does. But not until that point.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.
I just think its funny,
that Lewis Monroe hacked into Matt Barnes twitter account……
“DON’T LET YOUR EARS WITNESS, WHAT YOUR EYES DIDN’T SEE!!!”
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Sep 9, 2010 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
You people are crazy. Three hours this page was dead. I come back and it has 400 comments.
Crazy, I say!
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
LOL
wacky bro
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
hours ago*
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Except for the handful of solid vets (SS&R and military) we all know and love it's getting seriously obnoxious in here.
Unless it’s in a fanpost or other designated thread, if you newer guys and gals can’t comment on Lakers basketball or a topic close to it please take your nonsense to Yahoo! Sports or some other toilet bowl blog.
Please.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
Tell us how you really feel.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
umm that's the reason I love this blog
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 9, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the off topic stuff to a point, but what we're seeing here is what turned many of us off to other sites.
I realize it’s the off-season and topics are sparse, sorry if I come off as uptight.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
I really think its just because there is nothing else to talk about it the middle of the offseason.
i know i contibute to some of the meaningless stuff, but thats why i created a weekly fanpost to just talk about anything on (as ell as the rough-cuts). I think when the season starts, we will have ALOT more to talk about and the “non-sense” will go away. For me, its just a way of passing this extremely boring offseason time.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
As long as the mods don't mind, I think we're all good.
When it’s a problem, they’ll let us know.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I agree with you there.
I try to save the meningless stuff for the fanposts, and keep it a little more serious (with some inside jokes) on the mods articles, unless its an LOL WUT post. I mean, what do you expect us to talk about in the dead of the offseason……….
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
hey Josh....
GO LAKERS!!
Im pullin for Ron to keep his ring unless it goes for more than like say 1 million $
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I try....i Know i go off the deepend sometimes and get WAAY off topic
but it’s all in good fun :)
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah,
but even that isn’t actually on the topic of this post. This post is about morality in sports and not about Ron’s ring so technically and according to what Joshua R just said, that wouldn’t be something that would appeal to him, either. : )
What is funny is that sometimes these things have a mind of their own and go off in all kinds of directions — totally unintentionally.
What constitutes a solid vet around here, anyway? If you haven’t been a member since the beginning your comments aren’t allowed or valued by some?
I value your comments.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Not to argue with you BSC
but isn’t Ron selling his ring for a GOOD cause morality in sports?
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
well,
I guess I can see that, Sarge. My bad. See, you segued quite nicely and I totally missed it. Good for you.
However, you don’t want him to auction his ring, so you don’t want him to be morally good? Just messin’, just messin’. ; )
Thanks again for the chat today, all. It was a fun but incredibly unproductive day for me as I spent like 90% of it here. What can I say, ya’ll are captivating.
Oh, to the contrary
but incredibly unproductive day for me as I spent like 90% of it here
You’re always welcome here. =)
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
LOL its all good BSC
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
i mean you want to get technical morality has many different meanings...
we could talk about chastity then…
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i consider you a solid core vet BSC :)
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Things spinning off on a tangent makes this place a lot of fun, but diliberately coming in and instigating stupidity isn't.
You honestly can’t see a difference? I’m not saying we have to follow a thesis statement on every post and hand out warnings right-and-left, but there should be some structure and respectability, right?
As for the vets comment, it’s not meant to sound clique-ish, my point really is that a bunch of us have been around a while and we for the most part get each others humor and snarky comments. When new members jump in and start pushing buttons just to get a reaction it diminishes what SS&R is. I love the personalities and differing viewpoints, but what were seeing here is different than that.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
I do understand
your point and I do agree that sometimes when posts go all awry it’s extremely irritating, it’s just that when people go and get all pissy about new people it scares some off. There may be a fabulous, intelligent, and extremely interesting Laker fan just waiting in the wings, just waiting to comment, but when you give the impression that you shun newbies, it reduces the risk of you ever “meeting” that fabulous, intelligent and extremely interesting fan. In order for blogs to grow and evolve you need to foster a sense of community, not scare people off.
And with that, this will be my last comment on this thread. You are the vet, clearly, as you have been a member here for 3 months longer than me, after all, and I’ll leave you to it. : )
No, don't go!
: )
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
Just don't leave SS&R.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I accept the treaty from the Ambassador of Newbies and extend a hand of fellowship and kindness.
There are plenty of terrific, new people who join up, “integrate” and enjoy the SS&R community all the time with no complaints.
Please don’t turn an exception in to a generalization. My comments were never about seniority. If so, I’d be the geeky freshman with the wedgie and the head full of toilet water.
I’m feeling like you’re painting with too broad a brush, but nonetheless I appreciate your bringing my insensitivity to light. I’ll work on it. See you next thread ; )
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
see what you did? ;-)
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
dam! Hope she comes back : (
she was hell-a-cool
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
for real, same with me
thats why I miss the fun all the time, my computer is on all day and I still miss everything on this site LOL
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Damn skippy son!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm liking this dude more and more
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
yessir....he is a real student of the game
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont know why
but my refrigerator water seems extra cold today.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
LOL!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Sep 9, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I've got a water cooler at my place.
Really, really helps. :)
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
I say NO
dude better be in uniform come october, thats all I’m concerned with
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Also gotta give Barnes credit on that quote
good way to say get the facts first folks
anyway what girl beats the hell out of a guy(unless he’s a punkbuster but really does Barnes look like that type) so if he hit her, he wrong anyway, thats my opinion, I don’t care what the girl did, guys are stronger period.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
In other news anyone got a link for tonights NFL game online
I need to pay my cable bill so no tv for me which sucks because I really want to see the game. I would greatly appreciate it.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
ESPN maybe?
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
I need to pay my cable bill so no tv for me
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
LOL
I think you’re confused.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
no
I dont have cable at all and I use a simple antenna to get all the over the air channels, including NBC, CBS, ABC, etc.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
I think you missed Digital TV Transition.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
thats what I'm saying, my tv is fuzzy, I wonder what tricks shaq got going on
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
not with mine
its an HDTV and it has a digital tuner built in. all you need to do if connect an antenna. older TVs without the tuner need an external box where you connect the antenna.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
See. A little explanation needed.
HDTV and it has a digital tuner built in
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
really, I don't know but my tv
will not work without cable, I can’t get those channels right now if I tried the antenna
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
you probably need a tuner box
i guess
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
i will look into it, Direct tv is killing me
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appreciate it
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DishNetwork FTW
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
lol don't use my line
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How YOU doin'?
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
I'm surviving
what’s up
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
I appreciate ssr crew
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here's some links for streaming tv
http://www.channelsurfing.net/
http://www.fromsport.com/
http://atdhe.net/
Then there is always Veetle and SopCast, but you have to download those.
jesus christ
there’s so much hype and events revolving around tonight’s NFL game. its like the superbowl or something.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Really?
Cause I haven’t heard shit, nor do I want to hear shit. #IHateFootball
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
you hate (American) football too?
smh
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
yea, I do. LOL
Well I don’t hate it. I just don’t follow it.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
this isn't twitter
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
I haven't heard much but I'm pumped for it
maybe I just like watching football, I don;’t know
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
there is a big parade
and concert/ etc going on as part of the pre-game show.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
lol, I guess they need to start it off with a bang
but unnecessary
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Too bad he can't guard Kobe
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Sep 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
maybe if he only reach his prime
too bad he didn’t.
imagine the last decade with a healthy hill, a kobe and lebron. amazing
How about a healthy AMMO?
Mind Blown.
"When will you learn that the only difference between my life and porno, is that my life has better lighting?" - Sarge
Sweet 16
LOL silly
He’s the epitome of health. Remember that guy “wolverine”? Yeah, Ammo’s the inspiration. Metal in his bones and what not.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32
probably the only non center injury prone player who could have been one
one of the greats. Not sure If i said that right.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Wait a sec on the Barnes issue...
From the OC Register:
The fiancée of Lakers player Matt Barnes said Thursday he has never physically abused her or her family and that the domestic violence charge against him is false.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

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