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The Triangle is here to stay for a while, even if our coach isn't

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The Triangle offense has enjoyed a nice little run of success over the past 20 years.  Since the 1990-91 season, there have been more champions who believe in the principles of the ol' "Triple Post" offense than use some other antiquated stategy for putting a ball in an iron hoop.  Really, when you think about it, it's a minor miracle that so few teams have tried to give the Triangle a shot.  If this were a copy cat league like the NFL, a full 60-70% of the league's teams would be trying to duplicate success by running the Triangle, and screen-roll dominant guards like Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo might be reduced to coming off the bench for a few minutes at a time, as Kevin Harlan proclaims "It looks like the Hornets are turning to their Wildcat offense, looking for a spark."

But the NBA is not a copy cat league.  In the NBA, each coach has their system, and they tend to stick to that system as stubbornly as my local brewery sticks to its silly notion that pants should be required for service.  Not so coincidentally, the Triangle's reign of success has resided within the same space/time continuum as one Phil Jackson, who's resume contains all eleven of those Triangle-running championship squads.  Of course, it's not just pride that keeps other coaches from attempting to adopt what has proven to be a winning strategy.  There are a number of reasons why, depsite its high level of success, the Triangle doesn't look like an appealing option for a coach on the outside looking in.

For one, the offense is a bit tricky to grasp.  Just ask Ron Artest, who's positioning and comfort within the Triangle last year was his one gloriously hideous blemish on an otherwise stellar season.  If understanding it is that hard, one can reasonably assume that teaching it is even more difficult.  In addition, not all coaches are lucky enough to have had Tex Winter on speed dial to help out with the Triangle's finer points.  Health has reduced Tex's role in Phil Jackson's life lately, but for most of the past 20 years, PJ has had one hell of a Triangle tutor on call if things start to break down.

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Another important aspect of running the Triangle is having the right personnel to properly take advantage of the benefits provided.   One of the Triangle's main functions is to reduce or eliminate the concept of a "primary" ball handler.  The offense is not supposed to focus on or rely upon a single player to create opportunities, instead encouraging a steady stream of ball and player movement that more equally distributes responsibility for offensive acheivement across the roster.  Thus, every player on the roster, from point guard up to center, theoretically needs to be able to handle these responsibilities, meaning you need to have big men who can pass, perimeter players who know when to cut to the basket, and a generally high average "basketball IQ" across the roster.  Specific roles still exist within the offense, but interchangibility is highly encouraged, because if you can plug a shooting guard in the post (where the center might usually be), it will likely cause a matchup advantage with a defender who is in an uncomfortable position.  To make a long story short, a Triangle ready roster needs players at every position who have a broader skill set than might normally be required.

Almost as important as what is required of a roster primed for the Triangle is what is not required, i.e. a traditional point guard.  Since there is no need for a primary ball handler, having a guy who is used to being the primary ball handler doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and can actually be detrimental to both the team and player (hence the divorce between the Lakers and Jordan Farmar).  Farmar's departure, and Steve Blake's subsequent arrival, means that, for the first time since the Shaq-Kobe years, Phil Jackson finally has a thoroughly Triangle-friendly roster.  What's more, with the Lakers committed to at least 3 of the 5 guards on the roster (including both point guards) for the next three years, we're promised the perfect Triangle personnel for at least that long. 

There's just one problem ... Phil Jackson may not be here that long.

Predicting whether or not Phil Jackson will return to coaching every year is like a mild case of the Brett Favre saga, so I guess it is no guarantee that Phil will hang up his comfy coaching chair so that he can sit at home instead of on the Lakers sidelines after this season.  But, upon his promise to return, PJ was quoted saying "It'll be the last stand for me, and I hope a grand one"  which doesn't exactly leave much room for doubt.

So, if we assume that Phil was serious and this will be his last season, the obvious question is what happens next?  Normally, when a coaching search begins, even one as high profile and ready for success as next year's Lakers squad would be, the incoming coach will dictate what the new system will be.  However, with the Lakers so locked in to their very specific roster for so long, it's hard to imagine them being able to successfully run any other system.  The last time the Lakers ran an offense other than the Triangle, it did not go well.  Mitch Kupchak remebers that disaster.  So does Kobe Bryant.  And that was with a roster which was (theoretically) designed to play a different style, since Shaq and all the veterans that the Lakers surrounded him with were put to pasture before the change over.

When Phil Jackson's return for the current season was in doubt, there was much debate over possible coaching candidates.  Byron Scott and Brian Shaw were the two names most often mentioned.  Shaw was favored in Lakerland, mainly because Scott has a bit of a history of losing teams, and Shaw has no history at all.  However, I think Shaw is preferred for an entirely different reason.  Normally, a head coach dictates the system, but when Phil Jackson does finally walk away from this team, I'm hoping it'll be the other way around.  More than any man (on the coaching staff at least), I think Captain Triangle is driving this ship, and there are too many members of his crew which can't serve any other master.

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WOW!! Mr. CA Clark.....awesome article!!

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Good article

The triangle had better stay. And I guarantee it won’t if the Lakers bring Byron Scott in to coach. He’ll implement that high tempo pick and roll shit that he does (not sure if thats right, don’t really follow him much), which does not fit this roster. Most of this roster if not all of it will be the same next year, and they’ll all be used to this triangle, ball moving offense. If Shaw coaches then it’ll probably stay, so I’m rooting for him to get the job next year.

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by nyyrocks29 on Sep 2, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Triangle O better stay

or else Lewis Monroe should take over the sidelines

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by domz on Sep 2, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I can picture in now

“KOBY AND PAU SET A BACK SCREEN FOR SHANON SO HE CAN GET THE BALL AND TOUCHDOWN IT THREE TIMES IN A ROW 2012!”

…..

by Jevon O on Sep 2, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

ummmmm.....LOL

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Super awesome articel but.....

“What does it mean?!?!?”

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

my take?

in short — it means that if the Lakers want to continue to do a Triangle-type offense after Phil leaves — we are fuc*ked, offensively speaking, anyway. : ) Just my take.

Spectacular article, btw.

by BigSkyCat on Sep 2, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

BSC! it was a joke....the what does it mean bit

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, duh!

sorry, I’m blonde. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it. : )

by BigSkyCat on Sep 2, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL its all good

we all make a mistake or 5

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

But im not buying the blonde bit....

my wifey is blonde ;)

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

ur wifey?

lol.

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by Marty Mart on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

definitely... we have a "triangle-friendly" roster

and the “triangle” is good to go for another three to five years… and Shaw would be the most obvious choice to ensure this after PJ’s retirement…

great write-up from the Chief…

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by bernel on Sep 2, 2010 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Personally...

I prefer Shaw than Byron as well. Reason is I really love the beauty of execution of the Triangle O when done correctly.

But as stated before, Buss loves the Showtime run and gun offense and they are really close with Byron. So let’s just see how this plays out.

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by domz on Sep 2, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

BRIAN SHAWE IS A DEMIGOD FROM ANOTHER WORLD HWERE TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM LITTLE GREEN MEN AND TO RUB THE NOSES OF FUTURE "DREAM TEAMS" ACROSS THE NBA WORLDWIDE. WHEN HE WANTS TO WINS 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW BACK TO BACK HE WILL.

IN IF YOU WNAT SOME OF HIS MONEY GOOD LUCK GETTIN SOME CAUSE HE WILL SLAY YOU WITH HIS GOD HAMMER!!!

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

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by smart_guy on Sep 2, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just gave me a massive headache

The voice in my head screamed at me

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

by Hdg23 on Sep 2, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

cripes!

my eyes are smarting from the bold and all caps! Damnit Lewis Monroe… ;-)

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by altree on Sep 3, 2010 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok, so assuming Dr. Jackson retires next year..

IF brian shaw takes over and is able to run the triangle offense for the next 3 years or so, do u think there will be any coaches who pick up on it then? im thinking its possible that the most prolific offensive system ever implimented in the nba could die within the next 5 years..however im hoping that tex and phil pass the torch to someone in the laker org, like Shaw, then maybe even D-Fish after him, and assuming we have mitch keeping our roster stacked for years to come..it would be great if the triangle could become a laker trademark. great post

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

FISH aint gonna coach.....

he’s gettin a new show called “Fish hook line and sinker”

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

reply fizail

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

who....where?

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

me...there

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

ahhhh ok gotcha ;)

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

why not?

I think that he has the speech skills, veteran experience, and the knowledge to make a fantastic head coach…

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by smart_guy on Sep 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, everyone can look at the actual sets and what's involved in the offense

As there’s two decades of games to look at, but the bigger problem is having the roster to properly run it, as the debacle in Minny shows in painful detail. A lot of roles get switched, reduced, or completely changed in the triangle and indeed new roles are created, so it’s hard to find the players to fit into it. For instance, point guards become glorified shooting guards when most of them are very used to making most of the playmaking decisions, especially off the pick-and-roll, which the triangle minimizes.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 2, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

i understand that you can always watch the films,

and that players roles are switched, but like CA said, the tri O is a complicated system to learn, much less teach..the roster is a big issue, but itll be interesting to see if another coach can use it effectively other then phil..having versatile players is one thing but getting them to fall into roles their not accustomed to playing, in a system that may or may not be totally understood by them or even their own head coach is another..although i dont know enough about the T.O to understand why its regarded as so complicated in the first place, it seems pretty str8 forward.. so who knows

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nicely said

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by smart_guy on Sep 2, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beautiful CA

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

show off.....

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Sep 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

not just that the triangle is reactionary

but its also an entire system rather than just one play.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Sep 2, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are a handful of set plays

That are frequently run just for the sake of minimizing complexity, but yeah, it’s a whole system encompassing all of this.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 2, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

that explains alot

wellplayed sir

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take it that you mean

it’s a system that adapts to the opposing team’s defense, whether in a single play or throughout the game. Now, exploring the NFL analogy further, could it compare to the “play progression” that an NFL offensive system does, and which the quarterback implements?

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by altree on Sep 3, 2010 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine the equivalent in football

would kinda be the Wildcat offense. An offense with less-assigned roles and is more of a reaction to what defenses give. Its just so much harder to have playbooks like that in the NFL because its even more people to try and coordinate on the same page

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by Marty Mart on Sep 3, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think he would be a good coach

maybe a better tv guy though..just a thought..shit maybe kobe wants to try coaching in the future! lol im sure nobody would say no

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

naw dont think Kobe will evar be a coach.....

maybe an owner.

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

HAHA i could see that for sure..

im just hoping theres someone left (if shaw doesnt work out) to keep the triangle around when phil and tex are out of the picture..like i said id love to see the triangle be exclusive to la-la-land..they arent gonna be around forever

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah when the TRI-angle is workin to perfection

there aint anything better to watch in BBall. Tis’ an awesome system to have

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Commissioner Bryant

We have to maintain that alleged Laker preference high up in the Association

Bow down, when you're Westwood bound.

by S Jay Bruin on Sep 2, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

oooooh good one Jay

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

good one

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by altree on Sep 3, 2010 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's hope his fate is not similar to MJ's

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by smart_guy on Sep 2, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

no coaching in Kobe's future

Knowing him, he’d never say 100 percent, but he has recently gone on record to say that he will not coach after he retires.

by Brian Tung on Sep 2, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if Shaw does get the rains to the show....

he will have Phil on speed dial anyways so life will be good.

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

i have to say one thing tho,

no matter who our next coach is, or how great he is, its still gonna be weird not having big phil on the bench cleaning his fingernails as kobe hits the game-winner..his coolness is so contagious that when i see him over there lookin bored, i know we cant lose.

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I feel like Phil

will be the Tex Winter in the future.

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by Marty Mart on Sep 3, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes as long as we keep the tri-angle

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 3, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean the Triangkill

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by smart_guy on Sep 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 3, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jack I would post a "cool" pic of Brain Shaw but i retired from pics....

anybody?

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

haha reply failure

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh hes "cool" just not 11 rings cool lol

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL nobody is THAT cool.....but he been around for a few in his days

player and coach.

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

i definately couldnt name anyone id rather see our next coach besides B. Shizzle

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Shaw is Cool

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAAAAAAA LOOK AT KURT!!

wow!! now THATS fuckin cool!!!

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats a good 1 for the create a caption shit

i can think of a few lol

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I got a bunch saved up already.

In due time…………

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by LakersFoEva on Sep 2, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaw cool as always.....

and thanks for the Shaw pics FoEva!

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

With visual aids to his right and left, Superman shows us what he would look like if he was;

a) black
b) 65 years old

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Sep 2, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO PS!

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he just saw SCG stealing BXF's Cuhkies. or maybe he's explaining how small of a person Lebron is to the team.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Sep 2, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

shannon just jumped

thats all

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

or maybe he saw somebody else on this blog do something? lol

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

u never been bored before sarge?? lol

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

hell no i blow shit up for a living! lol

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAAHAHHAAA guess not

i play online poker (snore…).the b.shaw convo amused me lol

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by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its pretty dead without SCG and BXF here to liven up the convo.

I also have been pretty busy today so not alot of comments from me either

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"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Sep 2, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

What am I.....chopped liver?

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

ahahahah

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have single-handedly kept SS&R goin today

{pats self on back}

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

verrry nice

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO.....hey i had shit else to do today honestly.

I cant help it the mouths of the west didnt show today. But i do gotta run soon though.

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by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is mad cute...

I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)

by douchiedude on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

And to think that people eat this animal.....

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by smart_guy on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

way to be a downer.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes you have sarge.

my bad. its just alot deader (is that a word?) than usual. its gettin to be the dead of the offseason.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Sep 2, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL FoEva you sound sad

who cares if it was a word…..it is now!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Sep 2, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha life is good!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

like Lazarus, I'm back from the dead!!!!!!

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
-Jack Tatum

by R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT on Sep 2, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

ummmmmmmm....ok

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?

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by domz on Sep 2, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

yo..

doesnt brian look like he talks with a high pitch pimp voice in that pic?? lol

“say it wit me now, weremibitches?”

the BIGGEST 3 in the NBA-Phil Jackson, Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss. plus i heard jack just signed a 50 year extension..when are we retiring his jersey??

by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 2, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mitch Kupchak will move from the GM’s seat to the bench to take over the Lakers’ coaching helm. Jerry Lucas will then lord over the GM slot.

by Tiny Chloe on Sep 2, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

It's the asian kid who predicted that the lakers would win the championship !

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by smart_guy on Sep 2, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaw is best simply because the alternatives suck

The best alternative is Jeff Van Gundy, who definitely wouldn’t be a bad selection by any means, but I’d rather keep our current offensive system (unless JVG was willing to delegate those responsibilities to an assistant who would act as an offensive coordinator of sorts, similar to what Mike Brown had in John Kuester in ‘08-’09). The rest of the field — Mike Fratello, Eddie Jordan, Mark Jackson, Kevin McHale, Mike Woodson, etc. — is just horrid.

That said, this is probably a situation that would be easier to evaluate next offseason. If say, Duncan suffers a career-ending injury out of the blue and Popovich calls it quits because Parker just left for the Knicks, then I think we’d be more than happy to take him. :p

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

on Pop

thing is, would he adapt to and continue the system?

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by altree on Sep 3, 2010 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Pop

could adapt and make anything he wanted to do work for the players. He’s a good enough coach to be able to do so.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

by Marty Mart on Sep 3, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think so too

though undoubtedly he will put a few wrinkles there for sure

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 4, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd take whatever system Pop wants to implement and run with it

Triangle or no triangle. Outside of Phil, he has the most proven record of success of any coach in the league, so I’d trust him to know what is best for this squad.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 3, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

with him at the helm

could the lakers run another system with the players they have and be successful enough to win the chip? Considering the east now have superfriends and all…;-)

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 4, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

Great coaches more often than not bring success along with them. Pop’s playbook is notoriously large but I’d imagine this group would nail most of it down as the season progressed.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 4, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope we don't see a "favre situation" next year with phil

but i’d be willing to put up with it if we can get him back for a couple more years. if not, shaw is the obvious replacement, with d-fish as assistant once he retires. as said in the article, our roster is really triangle oriented. scott could end up coaching the lakers sometime in the future, we all know buss loves the showtime style offense, and has good relations with scott… time will tell.

great article, C.A.!

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

yES ALTHOUGH i STILL GOT MAD LOVE FOR sCOTT.....IM WITH sHAW!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha caps fail!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

i can’t believe nobody has posted this picture yet.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL good pic for the topic at hand!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

and with that im out......gotta do some work.....see ya guys later tomite!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 2, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

see ya, sarge

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaw clearly has the skillset for coaching the Triangle, we sing his praises often around here...

but I still wonder how well he can manage personalities in a system which in many ways goes against the nature of most players these days. Naturally Kobe, Pau and El Presidente will keep things cohesive and at their zenith for the seasons ahead, but I wonder how well Shaw would manage if it rested more on him to do so.
What do you guys and gals think?

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Sep 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah

however i wish we could not only get a triangle friendly coach but an experienced coach as well.

I don’t really feel comfortable handing the reigns over to either

1) a coach that doesn’t have sufficient triangle experience
or
2) a coach with no experience

Give rambis plz.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Sep 2, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

1) a coach that doesn’t have sufficient triangle experience
or
2) a coach with no experience

This excludes practically every coach ever other than the current Laker assistants and Rambis.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 2, 2010 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Err, intended as reply to Justin above.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 2, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Furthermore I really meant head coaching experience when I said experience. Which means Rambis is the only guy for me.

Seriously though…what else can you settle for to inherit literally a dynasty?

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Sep 2, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes me nervous is not whether or not players can adapt to the triangle

but the Lakers have to seriously consider Phil retiring next year and then having a coach rather than a player having to adapt to the triangle. It must be harder to learn an offense rather to learn an offense that you have to teach. The new coach better have his shit together. There is only one coach that comes to mind who can do that besides rambis..JVG. Just my opinion.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Sep 2, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

JVG is definitely the most qualified of the non-triangle candidates

He’s probably the best defensive coach in the league outside of Popovich and Larry Brown. The only question will be how he works with the offense, as his teams have traditionally been very slow-paced, pound-it-in-the-post teams, which isn’t a bad thing necessarily with this group but it’s a step back from having a perfectly executed triangle (although our bigs would get all the touches they would ever need and more).

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 2, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe eats first

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Always

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Sep 3, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah, that goes without saying

McGrady and Houston usually got touches before Yao and Ewing.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Sep 3, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dont know how to "link" a story

Yeah thats pitiful…but this Basketbawful series of worst N.B.A champions is awesome. Today’s installment features Danny Ferry of the 2004 Spurs and its fucking hilarious.

by 17andover on Sep 2, 2010 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Just copy past URL

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Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Sep 2, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

as SoCalGal says

SEASON START NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 2, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

It's hard livin a life without the Lakers

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

by Hdg23 on Sep 2, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i concur

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 2, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

especially when your other professional team is shitting the bed every other day.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 3, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

the BIGGEST 3 in the NBA-Phil Jackson, Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss. plus i heard jack just signed a 50 year extension..when are we retiring his jersey??

by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn right..

i cant wait for the season to start

the BIGGEST 3 in the NBA-Phil Jackson, Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss. plus i heard jack just signed a 50 year extension..when are we retiring his jersey??

by jack's happy,im happy on Sep 3, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

only 53 days.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

has got to be in the seventies, coz I don’t recognize any of ’em. And lol at the nets unis ;-D

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Sep 4, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's daryl dawkins

he was with the sixers from 1975-‘82. and yeah, the nets’ jerseys are pretty bad.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Sep 4, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The triangle for 3 years means only one thing. Kobe as player-coach.

He’ll let Shaw say he’s the coach, though.

Not sure how I feel about that.

"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson

by kv on Sep 3, 2010 1:21 AM PDT reply actions  

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