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Greatest Transactions in Laker History
The reason the Los Angeles Lakers are the most successful franchise in sports history is because of several remarkable transactions that they have made throughout their rich history. Many believe that the Pau Gasol trade during the 2008 season was the greatest trade in Laker history because of what we gave up in the deal. I'm here to argue that it's not. At this time in Laker history, it barely cracks the top 5. Don't believe me, keep reading and maybe I can convince you otherwise.
The Lakers have made several transactions that wont even make the list that have helped them win championships throughout the years. Even small trades involving roll players that seem unimportant at the moment can turn into very smart transactions that make our front office look like Miss Cleo {in my best Jamaican accent} "Call me now for your free reading"...........

Obtaining Trevor Ariza for Maurice Evans and Brian Cook in 2007 helped the Lakers win their title in 2009. Ariza became a very important starter for the Lakers and if not for an injury in 2008, the Lakers may be in the middle of a 3-peat. Trading for Sedale Threatt in the summer of 1991 for 3 future second-round picks seemed illogical at the time, but after "Magic" Johnson announced his retirement a month later, Threatt became the starter and lead the Lakers to the postseason during his two seasons with the Lakers while averaging 15 points and 7 assists.
Want more? Stay tuned after the jump for my complete list.
10. Bob McAdoo - In 1981, the Lakers sent their 1983 second round pick to the Nets for injury-stricken Bob McAdoo. McAdoo had been in the NBA for 10 years and was a five-time all-star and three-time scoring champ. He had been injured-plagued and his numbers were declining. Many thought his career was coming to an end. He enjoyed 4 healthy years as the Lakers sixth-man, playing along side Magic, Kareem & Worthy. McAdo oonly spent 4 seasons with the Lakers, but was a huge part of the Lakers bench and helped lead them to two titles in 1982 and 1985. (This would probably be similar to us getting Tracy McGrady this summer and have him coming off our bench, healthy - if that is at all possible for him)
9. Robert Horry- In what is probably known as one of the most unpopular trade in Lakers history (behind the trades involving Eddie Jones, Norm Nixon and Shaquille O'Neal, respectively) the Lakers traded All-Star forward Cedric Ceballos and Rumeal Robinson to the Phoenix Suns for Robert Horry and Joe Klein. Even though it was unpopular at the time, the trade helped the Lakers as Horry became a starter for the Lakers and Ceballos' carrer dwindled after leaving the Lakers and ended shortly after the trade. Horry never put up All-Star numbers for the Lakers but he was an important part of the 3-peat championship team that won titles from 2000 - 2002. He played along side Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant, and emerged as one of the game's greatest clutch shooters. He is most well known for his buzzer beating three-pointer in the 2002 WCF versus the Sacramento Queens Kings.

8. Byron Scott - In 1983, in probably the second most unpopular trade in Laker history, the Lakers sent starting guard Norm Nixon, Eddie jordan and two future second-round picks to the San Diego Clippers for Swen Nater and the fourth overall pick in the 1983 draft, Byron Scott. Scott emerged as the Lakers starting shooting guard for 10 seasons and helped lead the team to titles in 1985, 1987 & 1988. In 1988, Scott the Lakers in scoring with a career high 21.7 ppg. (And I'm almost positive that most of us here at SS&R hope that Scott never comes back to the Lakers, atleast as a head coach. But good luck in Cleveland........)
7. James Worthy - Midway through the 1980 season, the Lakers made a trade that played a key role in their "showtime" era dynasty. They sent Don Ford and a 1980 first round pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Butch Lee and a 1982 first round pick. That 1982 pick ended up being the #1 overall pick in the draft, which the defending champions used to draft James Worthy. "Big Game James" joined forces with Kareem and Magic to create the most dangerous trio in the history of the NBA (Yes, I'm looking at you, Miami). He won 3 titles with the Lakers in 1985, 1987 & 1988, and was Finals MVP in 1988. (Could you imagine having the No. 1 overall pick the year after winning the championship? Can you say "Lakers starting point guard, John Wall.........")
6. Wilt Chamberlain - In the summer of 1968, the Lakers pulled of their first blockbuster deal when they acquired reigning MVP Wilt Chamberlain from the Philadelphia 76ersin return for Archie Clark, Jerry Chambers and Darral Imhoff. "Wilt the Stilt" teamed up with another superstar in Jerry West to lead the Lakers to an NBA championship in 1973. He won Finals MVP that year as well. Wilt is regarded as one of the top 5 players in NBA history. During his five years in LA, Wilt earned four rebounding titles and made the All-Star team 4 times. (This trade would be similar to us trading for Steve Nash back in 2004 after he won his first MVP award for Caron Butler, Devean George and Brian Grant............ Pull the trigger, Mitch!)
5. Pau Gasol - With an unhappy Kobe Bryant who was demanding to be surrounded by better talent, the Lakers were in search for an All-Star before the trade deadline during the 2008 season. They found their answer in Grizzlies' big man Pau Gasol. The Lakers received Gasol in exchange for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Marc Gasol, the contract of Aaron McKieand two future round picks. With Pau in the starting lineup, the Lakers reached the Finals in 2008 and won the championship in 2009 & 2010. This transaction will probably be higher on the list in the near future after the Lakers win a couple more championships!!! (Many people believed this to be one of the most lop-sided trades in NBA history, but they should not. Memphis received a future all-star center in Pau's little brother, and got huge cap relief with Brown and McKie's contract. They also got Darrell Arthur and GreivisVasquez with the 2 draft picks. Crittenton had potential but did not work out in Memphis.)
4. Shaquille O'Neal - Shaq became a free agent after the 1996 season. While he was playing on the 1996 Olympic team, it was announced that he would be leaving the Orlando Magic and had signed a 7 year, $121 Million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers. The Lakers' expectations grew with Shaq in town, but it took them a few years to get a team capable of winning a title. After the additions of Glen Rice and Robert Horry, and with the help of Kobe Bryant, the Lakers went on to win their first title in the Kobe/Shaq era in 2000. They went on to win three championships in a row. Shaq earned Finals MVP those 3 years. ( I still cant believe he's going to be wearing green this year. Makes me sick........)
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - (OR IS IT KAREEN) In 1975, Milwaukee bucks star center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar requested a trade to his hometown of New York or Los Angeles, where he played college ball at UCLA. It took 8 months, but the Lakers finally answered the call. The Lakers received Kareem and Walt Wesley in exchange for Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgeman. Kareem won 3 MVP awards with the Lakers and helped lead them to 5 NBA titles. In his final season as a Laker, his "retierement tour", he received standing ovations at all the games, home and away. He is regarded as one of the best centers to ever play the game.
2. Earvin "Magic" Johnson - As it turns out, the Lakers losing one of their best players in 1976 was one of the best things to ever happen to the Lakers franchise. Gail Goodrich signed with the New Orleans (now Utah) Jazz in 1976 and the Lakers received compensation in the form of 3 future first-round picks in 1977, 1978 & 1979, as well as a second-round pick in 1980. Fortunately for the Lakers, that first-round pick in 1979 was the No. 1 overall pick. The Lakers chose Magic johnson and most of us know how the story goes. Magic became the greatest point guard ever and led the Lakers to 5 titles.
1. Kobe Bryant - Nobody in their right mind would trade away an average NBA center for one of the greatest players in NBA history right? Well, the Charlotte Hornets did. They didn't know the talent that Kobe Bryant possessed, but it was obvious that Jerry West did. A few weeks after being drafted by the Hornets with the 13th overall pick in the 1996 draft, Kobe Bryant was shipped to the Lakers in exchange for Vlade Divac. Divac only lasted two seasons in Charlotte, while Kobe is going into his 15th year with the Purple & Gold. He has lead the Lakers to 5 NBA Championships, with the possibility of a couple more. So, in conclusion the Lakers traded away a solid big man for (arguably) the greatest NBA player of all time. Not to shabby!!
So, there you have it. In my opinion, the greatest transactions in Laker history. In my mind, Pau could end up passing Shaq on the list, but I don't think he will pass Kareem. Kobe and Magic were neck and neck for the #1 spot, but considering we expect the Lakers to win a couple more championships in the next couple years, Kobe gets it. If you disagree with me, tell me why below. Id like to hear your guys and gals opinions on this. The Lakers have the money to go out and get talent when they see it, and have done it very well in the past. Lets hope they keep it up in the future. And for those of you who doubt the Lakers............
THE LAKERS WILL WIN THE 2011 WORLD CHAMPION THREE YEARS IN A ROW, ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME - PAT RAILLY SAYD SO.
LEWIS MONROE FTW.
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Kobe rockin' major highwaters...
Just because you throw someone a pass, and they score, it doesn't mean you made them a better player.
good list
I might have done a little arranging with the 1-3 slots, but its all good.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
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"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
who would you have swapped in the top 3?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 25, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
great article.
the wilt trade has to be one the biggest heists ever. only the lakers could get a guy who averaged 24.3 points and 23.8 rebounds the previous year for barely nothing. same with kareem, who got 30 & 14 his last year with the bucks. also, i don’t think gasol could move up on this list unless we win another 2 titles, because shaq was the backbone of the 3 in the early 2000s. the byron scott, robert horry & bob mcadoo trades are often overlooked as well. but obviously, the kobe trade reigns supreme, getting one the best players for a average-ish center. THANK YOU VLADE.
3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.
wilt would def be higher if he has played longer or won more titles with the lakers
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Kareem's was a demanded trade to LA or NYC though
kinda makes it hard to rank it higher since it was more or less the Lakers answering the call than taking aim and pulling the trigger.
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
wouldnt you, lol
i mean who in their right mind wouldnt
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
imagine if he went to the Knicks instead
hmm…
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

things would be a lot different.
3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.
by LAL32 on Aug 25, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
great one. BRings back memories…Ernie…Bert….Ernieeee…Berttt….ERNIEEEEE!
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
more Bert and Ernie greatness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZNBcJTmWs
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
"Doc hasn’t beaten MI5, the Jackson 5, Maroon 5, the Dave Clark Five, the Ben Folds Five, Babylon Five, Dave Brubeck’s "Take Five," the In-N-Out Five-By-Five, or the traffic on the 405. (And y’all know Kobe’s taken down that last one.)" -Brian Tung
nice find.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
that kinda went into my thinking as well.
kareem demanded the trade,
magic kinda fell into our lap,
while kobe was sought out by west.
probably my reasoning why they are ranked the way they are.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
and Vlade will def go down in Laker history
for bringing us Kobe Bryant and his assist to Robert Horry in the 2002 WCF.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
retire that man's jersey!
"our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
by ch3wy on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"No one wins forever. Only thing that matters is how you face it when the cards don't come up your way. I'm not afraid." - Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #475)
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." - C.S. Lewis
kobe bryant=batman
I thought vlad for ammo was going to be number one...
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"No one wins forever. Only thing that matters is how you face it when the cards don't come up your way. I'm not afraid." - Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #475)
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." - C.S. Lewis
kobe bryant=batman
Ammo is number 0.
hes at the top of the list. i didnt put him in because i figured that was a given………….
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
by reading this post, I am reminded...
…how lucky we are with GMs like Jerry West and Mitch Kupchack

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"No one wins forever. Only thing that matters is how you face it when the cards don't come up your way. I'm not afraid." - Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #475)
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." - C.S. Lewis
kobe bryant=batman
Fixed and approved for SS&R

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
lmao
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark
"I don’t always celebrate, but when I do, it’s when the Lakers win championships. Stay thirsty my friends." - gen!e
It is definitely KAREEN.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – (OR IS IT KAREEN)
And don’t ever forget it.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
by SoCalGal on Aug 25, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and nice of you to put your dad on this list. Hope your "dad" isn't too upset and that your mom stopped crying.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
AWESOME.
I have an inside joke with SCG. my first SS&R inside joke. Lovin It.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 25, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason I've never become a part of the SCG worship.
Is there something wrong with me?
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
worship......where?
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Aug 27, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Good stuff.
Something to interesting to note about the Lakers trading for Wilt: he joined fellow future Hall-of-Famers Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. OH MY GOD, 3 SUPERSTARS ON THE SAME TEAM?! THEY’LL NEVER EVER LOSE!! But it took the Lakers four seasons to win the title, and that was after Baylor retired.
Just in case someone (cough*Miami*cough) needed a reminder that there are no guarantees. (Disclaimer: the Laker trio was a little older than Miami’s).
With yet another Hall-of-Famer (Gail Goodrich), those ’72 Lakers won 33 straight games. Someday I will write a post on that team. (Yeah, right).
I'm here to talk about the past.
those lakers were unlucky as hell
we could have won the ’69 finals if a few things happened differently, such as that idiot van breda kolff benching wilt for the whole fourth quarter of game 7. we only lost by 2 points! then we lost to the knicks in 7 games the next year. :P
3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.
just goes to show you that
3 superstars on the same team will definently help, but doesnt guarantee anything, unless you have additional help around you. I see Miami being good, but still having a couple years to build to be great. When they have spent 3 – 5 years worth of MLE’s on additional starters/bench help they will be scary good. Hopefully that will be in 5 years when the Lakers run with Kobe is coming to an end.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
the thing is
Every year they don’t win is considered a massive failure, and just increases the pressure. We’ve seen how two of the three of them deal with pressure. Heh heh heh.
Fantastic article, man. Really enjoyed the read. Keep'em comin'.
Kobe is like constantly in Kill Mode - Ron Artest
Thanks.
I thought it would help with the doldrums of summer and nothing going on right now.
just doing my part to keep us all sane at SS&R.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Ha! Good luck with that!
just doing my part to keep us all sane at SS&R.
Sanity returns on October 26 and not one day sooner. Until then, embrace the madness.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
hahaha
vgp
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
good one Eva (lol)
I would’ve interchanged Magic’s with Kobe’s, for the reason that I’m biased (grew up in Showtime!) but can’t really get a better reason, so #s 2 and 1 is just right, I think.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
I almost put them up there as 1A and 1B.
They are so close in my mind. One of the main reasons i put Kobe at 1, which i didnt put in the article (I dont know why), was because our front office went out and got Kobe, where Magic kind of fell into our lap with some fortunate and very lucky circumstances.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
This just proves the Lakers are the greatest sports franchise...
never been afraid to pull the trigger on a deal to make the team BETTER instead of trying to save some money…
When will people learn.. the greatest of all time wore number 32 and wore purple and gold....
it of course helps when you HAVE money to spend!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I think you have to rank Kareem first on this list
Because we essentially got him for peanuts. Kobe still had a couple years of development before he was destroying people and we gave up a decent player (Divac) to get him.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
but Kareem demanded to be traded to NY or LA.
the Lakers did nothing to get him, while Kobe was acquired entirely by Jerry West.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 26, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh, I still view it as a cost-benefit analysis
The “this trade fell into our lap” part of it is hard to insert as a point of comparison across all of these different eras and shouldn’t degrade how significant the transaction was. We had to give up Gail Goodrich to get the first overall pick and Magic and Divac to get Kobe. That we got Kareem for essentially squat puts him at the top of the list for me.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
The Lakers gave up Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgeman for Kareem. Bridgeman played 11 seasons with the bucs and averaged over 13 points over his nba career. smith averaged 15 points and 11 boards with the bucs. Winters went on to average 19 points and 5 assists while being named to 2 all-star teams. His jersey is retired by the bucs. Meyers also averaged double digit points while with the bucs.
i wouldnt call 4 players that averaged double digit points over their career peanuts.
The lakers gave up an average center who averaged 11 points and 8 rebounds with the Lakers. Elmore Smith by himself put up better numbers than Vlade. Kobe still sits as #1 in my mind.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 26, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering players who merely averaged double-digit points
As a significant cost for a 28-year old Kareem, who had won three MVPs already, is a bit off. In any case, PPG is hardly a good way to judge the players involved. Bridgeman was a somewhat average player (career 15.6 PER and 52.0 TS%), Meyers was out of the league in four years and average as well (career 14.1 PER and 50.8 TS%), Smith was traded from Milwaukee the following year and was similarly average (career 16.2 PER and 50.3 TS%; notably a rather measly 48.2 career FG% for a 7’0’’ center), and Winters, the supposed best of the bunch, wasn’t really all that much better (15.2 PER and 51.6 TS%).
On the other hand, Kareem waltzed in and put up a 27.7/16.9/4.1 season (or a 27.2 PER). Given the huge gap between the players involved, yeah, we essentially got Kareem for peanuts.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
OK, if you want to call those 4 peanuts.
then what do you call vlade? hes just about as good as all those players mentioned.
considering we gave up 4 players of value to the bucs for an mvp is definently a steal, but we gave up an average center for one of the greatest players in nba history. i know the hornets didnt know that then and the bucs did know how good kareem was, but i still think the kobe deal is more lopsided in retrospect. we gave up alot more for kareem as was necessary to get an mvp.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 26, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Divac is better than all of those players
He had a career 17.7 PER (and was putting up better numbers than that around the time he was traded). He was definitely better than an “average center,” a label that probably could be safely put on someone like Elmore Smith. Kobe sat on the bench for two years until finally getting into the starting lineup and still wasn’t “great” or even remotely close to Kareem’s level until the first threepeat started.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
And as for the other transactions
We had to give up Gail Goodrich, who was a Hall of Fame player and just came off a 19.5/5.6/2.9 season, to get Magic, a highly controversial move at the time. Divac wasn’t a world-beater, but he was arguably better than nearly every player traded for Kareem save maybe Winters, and it took Kobe two years to get off the bench and four until we really started to see him coming into form.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
ill agree with you that at the time the trade was made,
kareems deal was a much bigger steal than kobe’s.
but this post was based on how those trades ended up and kobe’s is far more lopsided and will most-likely gain more titles for the Lakers.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
by LakersFoEva on Aug 26, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The very, very long-term implications of a trade
Are a poor way to judge transactions like these, which almost inherently, were largely moves for short-term impact and as such, you have to weigh the short-term implications much more. Sure, it’s great that Kobe matched or exceeded Kareem’s MVP form half-a-decade or later than the initial transaction, but the immediate impact that Kareem provided makes the transaction much more valuable.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I agree with you there.
if i had made the post ranking the trades on how they were viewed then and the effect they had on the team right away, kobe wouldnt even be in the top 10 and kareem would be #1, with magic right behind him at #2, but that is not the view i used. I ranked them on how they turned out. and when all is said and done, i believe kobe will be the most valuable player in laker history.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Then that's simply a poor way to do it in my opinion
Considering everything in retrospect doesn’t make for a fair analysis. I’m certainly not saying that long-term implications aren’t relevant, but you have to stretch the timetable by nearly a decade to start making a case that Kobe’s overall impact exceeded Kareem’s and trades simply should not be viewed in that context.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Dude, it's his opinion and his list. Do your own if you want.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
way to settle an argument deary
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Aug 26, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, it's his list
Doesn’t mean I can’t question his methodology. The whole point of him posting it is to get feedback on it. If he doesn’t agree with me, then I’m fine with that. I’ll still debate him on the merits of his opinion though.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I get that, but that's different from saying
Then that’s simply a poor way to do it in my opinion
You’re basically saying he did it wrong.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
Err, that's pretty consistent with
Doesn’t mean I can’t question his methodology.
He’s certainly entitled to construct his list however he wants. It doesn’t stop me from calling into question how he constructed it and explaining why. How he went about forming his opinion is as relevant as the opinion itself.
In any case, this is getting a bit out of hand so I’ll stop here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Just a difference of opinion.
We’re cool.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
i enjoyed the banter with ben r.
i didnt take anything negative from it. he thinks it should be one way and i did it the way i did. no big deal. thanks for the help SCG, but it wasnt entirely needed this time.
like i said up above, the list would be entirely different it was looked at the way ben r is (the way the trade was looked at when it was first made). but i made it the way i did (looking at it now and how it has effected the laker organization). another post may have to be made to look at it the way ben r is. im happy with my list and still stand by it.
i appreciate ben r for offering his opinion and scg for having my back when i wasnt around to repond, but its all good. this is why i made the post (to get other ideas and thoughts from other SS&R members)
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Just me being touchy about the way things are said sometimes.
I find it interesting that every time someone posts something, someone else tells them they’ve done it the wrong way or they didn’t like it. My bad for butting in.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
no problem. glad to see someone stuck up for me.
but anytime i see in my opinion in there post, it doesnt really effect me much. if ben came right out and said thats the wrong way to tdo it (which i assume is the way u took it) then i would have a problem. but from what i have read over the last year, ben is always pretty intelligent and respectable in his writing, even though he has some pretty strong opinions.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
IMO
Ben has a grating way of providing feedback. So SCG has a point. It’s a put down feedback. But props to you for taking it well. At least You came up with a talking point
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
if the list was made the way ben r is looking at it,
then robert horry, byron scott and kobe wouldnt even be on the list. after thinking about it, magic might not even be on the list because we gave up goodrich to get him. ben r might have given me an idea for another post: most-lopsided trades in laker history…………
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
AWWWW what an awesome turn of events for 3
awesome posters!! good reading you 3!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
shit fuck reply fail!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
by Sarge Clemins on Aug 26, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe
I had heard some hype about a high school kid named Kobe Bryant who was going to be the first (or one of the first?) people to jump straight from high school to The League. So, when I heard that the Lakers got him on draft day, I couldn’t believe it but I was so excited. I just knew he was gonna challenge Michael Jordan for the title of best ever. No lie… and I couldn’t wait to see him in action in a Lakers uniform.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
How many of these would be in the NBA's TOP10...
That’s the next question…
Great article, I voted Magic, although I know it is Kobe.
Magic is the reason I am a Laker fan.
The first game of basketball I saw in my life when I was ten was the Dream Team at the 92 Olympics. My favourite was Magic, and so I became a Laker fan.
Later I played basketball, with always the thought that Magic was the greatest team player ever. Kobe came in, and he is the greatest Laker of all-time. I think he’ll win a FEW more!
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions

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