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Bench overhaul

So we kept our starters and Odom (who is technically a starter 1/3 of Bynum+1/3 of Gasol's time); and we change the whole thing. Kobe lobbyies, Mitch scouts, Buss trusts them, and then bang, the double NBA Champions show up with a whole new bench, just when the bench had looked below par in most of last season (except for Odom & Brown).  Without increasing our salaries by too much (courteousy of Adam Morrison's insane contract, and probably also the two excellent draft picks)!

So our starting five will be improved as injuries will be healed and the bench will take over more minutes.  Do you guys remember how many times we lost huge leads because of our bench last year? Kobe had to play 40 minutes in games we should have walked over, just because the bench wouldn't score or defend (or either).

So Ratliff will get a few minutes at C, which is an upgrade from Mbenga-Powell, he is more consistent. Only problem we are making the team older, this could affect us in injuries (I don't remember Ratliff ever playing a full season), so perhaps 15 players wouldn't be bad (we may have lost Walton).

At PF we acquired Caracter, who was rated in 3rd in the summer league for his big numbers and presence in the paint. He has a lot to work on, and with the thickness of this bench he won't get too many minutes.  But he's an interesting prospect (another ex-character issue). Odom, although he asked for more SF minutes, will probably do more PF tasks as Barnes will get those minutes (last year Walton, Brown, Vujacic and Kobe were taking time at the 3).  Odom has anyway been a monster at the boards, and the addition of Ratliff will allow him to play less massive players. Not sure if his wife conviced him to play more at SF, because she wants him as a starter (to show off), but really, he should stick to PF, he's almost 7-feet and he can rebound, we need him there when Gasol or Bynum is out.

So it can be predicted that players will stick to their positions more. Meaning Barnse will get minutes whenever Artest is not performing (more pressure for both).  Artest showed why he was recruited in the playoffs, but we need a best-record team for home court advantage so neither him - or Fisher - should feel that the bench won't call if they don't perform (seeing Orlando-Celtics-Heat level). If Walton comes back he's expected to compete with Artest-Barnes and hopefully even Ebanks for minutes... He'll cost 15m in contract and with the luxury tax, twice the amount over the next three years.. He's the only negative on this 'new' bench. I truly hope he recovers to at least make a good 15th man! Luuuuuuke!). So a potential weak SF position seems to have turned into a strength, all credits to Kobe's phone, Mitches astuteness and Buss's signatures... (Jerry is a great boss to have, he's a winner, he's still in the 80's, but he's a winner!)

The last big question is who will be Kobe's backup? Brown should be re-signed but Knicks and Cavs are working on him with interesting proposals for his career. Vujacic and his 5.5m dollar, with the luxury tax around, he needs to be at least someone's backup, an 11th man on the bench only there to provide a few 3pt costing 11m dollars seems like a bad idea.  Hughes and McGrady asked to join... Mmm. Unlikely, unless no one signs them - unlikely too. Delonte West (having a 'big argument over him' - I see him more as a PG) is a possibility. Whether he gets waived or traded.  As cheap 5th G he could do, but hey how many shrinks are gonna be on the sideline next year?  Will Jack Nicholson use his 'anger management' on a few of our players?

And the position which I think is most likely to see a starter change: PG. Blake joined in, he's not amazing, but definetely a great match and if he does a good job, he'll certainly do better than Fisher's last regular season! People were actually calling for Farmar to start (and I was starting to listen...) - that's how bad it got! So when they talk of Delonte West, I say great, this maybe FIsher's team and he can sink in crucial shots, but he doesn't need to be on the court to provide that (we kept people like Turiaf and Shaw in the past for similar reasons...). 

Finally we got Phil back. None of the above would have happened without him back. Don't forget Shaw, he should be the guy taking over if MasterZen is not coming back, so this is a huge year of learning for him; he was a G in his days, and he'll rely heavily on Fisher as well as Kobe to provide a smooth transition - if Phil goes (I say he stays for as long as we win and let's Shaw do the away games when rest is required to test him).

So yes, the bench changes have made quite an impact, in the hope of seeing the confirmation of Ebanks and Caracter this is our potential depth chart:

BYNUM RATLIFF

GASOL ODOM CARACTER*

ARTEST BARNES EBANKS* WALTON

BRYANT BROWN* VUJACIC

FISHER BLAKE

We have depth, perhaps the biggest question will be to see if Brown and/or Vujacic come back...  If Bryant doesn't require rest for his finger, those minutes will be little, we'll need a scorer and a guy who can step up in the playoffs. I think Brown can be that guy (if he isn't used as PG, it confuses him). Delonte would just be another smart cost-cutting measure. An evil one, that would take me a bit of time to get used to, but another smart move for Mitch. If it helps to get to catch the Celtics 17 titles and make Phil the unrivaled greatest coach in NBA history, then be it.

LAKERS OFFSEASON GRADE: A (couldn't do better).

Poll
Which 2 Gs should the Lakers retain along side Fisher-Bryant-Blake?
Brown-Vujacic (expensive option)
130 votes
Brown-West (astute option)
236 votes
Vujacic-West (Kobe is not hurt and wants to play 40m all season option)
28 votes
T-MAC-West (I just tried mushrooms for the first time option)
77 votes
Hughes-Vujacic (You can't always get what you want option)
4 votes
Stackhouse-West (LOL option)
16 votes

491 votes | Poll has closed

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i'd rather have players who have already played in the offense

ratliff, barnes, blake, ebanks, caracter, all need to learn the offense, and artest needs more practice. Having too many guys not comfortable in the offense means that it will be much harder on the coaches for rotations. And i don’t like west

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by gen!e on Aug 1, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

You're acting like

Powell, Mbenga, Farmar, Brown knew how to properly run the offense. The only true bench player who knew how was Luke.

Just because you throw someone a pass, and they score, it doesn't mean you made them a better player.

by LakerUNLTD on Aug 1, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's right.

In my opinion, any offense led by our current bench will absolutely demolish the joke of a “Triangle” our former Bench Mob ran.

by shoang1993 on Aug 1, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And odom

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Aug 1, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I said true bench player.

Just because you throw someone a pass, and they score, it doesn't mean you made them a better player.

by LakerUNLTD on Aug 1, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seee

unrelatedly.. your CoreyMagette signature was HILARIOUS

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Aug 1, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha yeah...

The new one is pretty much about how people think LeBron makes his teammates better cause he gets like 8 assists per game. But then his team plays like shit in the playoffs.

Just because you throw someone a pass, and they score, it doesn't mean you made them a better player.

by LakerUNLTD on Aug 1, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Aug 3, 2010 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd keep Vujacic..

But not at his price tag… As 11th man he can do good. But Buss has to pay an extra 11m to keep him…

by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 1, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

i'd rather keep sasha than shannon

although sasha is more expensive, he’s a possible trade bait for the season (and it expires at the end of the year).

Paying Shannon $4 mils/year for a multiyear contract is too much.

by Nostance on Aug 1, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

this

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Aug 1, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would prefer just to bring both Sasha and Brown back…. the other combinations (w/ West, Tmac, etc) are too risky, with not enough reward….

We already have a championship caliber team. The last thing we need is Tmac on our bench asking for minutes, or West trying to sleep with Steve Blake’s wife mom

by robi s on Aug 1, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

It would just be the other way around than what we have already with Phil and Jeanie Buss… hehe

by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 1, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same

I also prefer Sasha over Brown. Brown’s athleticism is needed for this aging team, but I feel Sasha is the better fit for us. He’s definitely not worth his contract, but it is a contract year for him. If Sasha is with the team next season, I think he can revert back to the machine he once was.

by David G. on Aug 2, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shannon over Sasha

Shannon can potentially be the future of the team. Sasha won’t budge a cent on the contract and is not worth it at all, so I say trade him and dump Luke. T-Mac is ready to come off the bench and wants a ring bad. If we had Odom, T-mac, Barnes, Ratliff and Blake for a beach they could beat most starting 5’s in the league. Plus T-mac won’t get as beat-up when he doesn’t have to be “the main guy” scoring. And we can get him cheap right now.

Resign Brown
Sign T-MAC
Dump Luke
Trade Sasha

by kingofatlanta on Aug 4, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see the two draft picks get some playing time.

We can pretty much predict that the Lakers will play better defensively. But more important than anything else, besides being healthy and playing good D is that the bench doesn’t give up huge leads like they did this past season.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Aug 2, 2010 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I Guarantee you Fish is starting the whole year

Phil has never benched him no matter how poorly he has played. Last year during the worst year of his career he still didn’t bench.

Fish will probably play even minutes with Blake or maybe even less until the playoffs. But Fisher will start, and Fisher will finish.

"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

He benched him for Ron Harper, and for Gary Payton.

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess."
-Kobe Bryant

by Moradi-7 on Aug 2, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

since he resigned i mean

I just don’t see him out of the starting lineup anymore. Fish, like Kobe, takes great pride in playing every day and being a regular. He has a streak of starting every single game, postseason and regular season, for years (with the exception of his suspension game). Add in that he’s such an important leader on and off the court and I don’t see him getting benched.

He may play bench minutes, but he’ll start and finish.

"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 2, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Blake...

I don’t see Blake taking his place with amazing performances; he’s expected to.

But should the Lakers get West, this could trigger a few changes, as Delonte could be the type of PG (as he is really to be defined as a 4.5) perfect for Phil’s system.

I just read an article on the Celtics blog about Delonte… Let’s say this, the man has some SERIOUS issues. He needs to fix that.

So in the end, Fish may have a poor regular season, but unless West comes in and makes a huge impact, I don’t see Brown, Blake or even Vujacic turning into a starter.

I don’t see available trade/sign prospects to change that this season. Chris Paul is very unlikely to come to us, unless Bynum turns stupid or Odom no longer rebounds.

by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 3, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the bench upgrades

Mitch obviously wanted to trade out some of the young athletic bench that had a reputation for losing leads, and replace them with more veteran players that will work within the system.
Players that shoot and defend better.
If this works, the starters will get more rest and have less chance of an injury since those leads will not be lost.
A good strategy when trying for the third year of a three-peat.

You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!

by Plan9FOS on Aug 3, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Forgot

I prefer Shannon + Sasha as Kobe’s backup.
If Shannon leaves for the Knicks, West is an OK backup plan.
But West is high risk/medium reward to me.

You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!

by Plan9FOS on Aug 3, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

West

West would need to let the Lakers turn his career around… I mean not many teams are willing to take the risk and only a strong team would be able to absorb his issues…

Basically, he’s got to really sort it out, he’ll be constantly monitored for the whole year, by the justice departments, his teammates, the press and last but not least the fans…

Not sure he can take that pressure, but then again, remember Jackson with Rodman? Although Rodman’s antics seem like peanuts in comparison with West’s record; on the court he could be the point guard Jackson never had – by that I mean he could a PG/SG alongside Kobe. Fisher isn’t gonna play that many minutes, Blake is good but he’s no Jason Kidd, and Vujacic (disappeared like the rest of the bench in crucial times)… There is still room for improvement… Boston had Nate Robinson as a third PG, and perhaps the Lakers want to have the same depth. I don’t think Crittenton (another one really doing well with his mental health…) or any remaining Free Agent could provide it (heard some people talk about an undrafted rookie PG…).

He would come in as the 5th guard in a championship team, with minutes up for grabs, maybe that’ll get his head thinking…

Big risk, that’s what he is. For the Lakers, one step the wrong way and he’ s waived or traded, so it can’t be that bad. And if you put Artest-Barnes-West around Bryant, no fool is gonna mess with any of our guys… Then again I would suggest group therapy as part of the training routine ! ! !

by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 4, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

forgot to say in his favour:

He’s small and could guard the smaller guards that always create issues (that until now only Farmar was, at times, capable of guarding).

Anyway I want Shannon back, I watch games at night so he keeps me and the bench awake when we’re trashing Clippers or other CBA teams still lost in the NBA!

by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 4, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

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